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12:40 AM
@Makyen is why I asked. Thanks for looking at it
 
 
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3:28 AM
i approved an edit that should have been rejected as it is NAA
kicking myself for realizing it too late.
 
@Nkosi Don't worry, I almost approved it too. Just flag it as NAA. Not a big deal.
 
 
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5:12 AM
\o morning
 
 
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7:01 AM
Or too broad
 
@tripleee wow, yeah that is asking for the spam post with oracle training...
 
Geez, it's that time of the day again
 
^ sorry.. clumsy clicking
 
7:16 AM
^ "This is my error, halp!", no code
 
7:42 AM
bleh, I already flagged it there
 
8:03 AM
Morning o/
@Rizier123 Did you manage to sort out that template?
 
8:22 AM
Quick question; is a question regarding an installation error whilst installing Visual Studio on topic for SO?
 
8:46 AM
Hi o/
 
@Bugs programming tools grudgingly accepted
 
@tripleee meh thought as much, thanks.
 
though the "herro computer doesnt work urgent pls" kind will get downvoted and closed for other, obvious reasons
 
@tripleee done
 
@EricAya thanks (-:
 
8:52 AM
Like that @tripleee ^ It's not a great question and we do need more infomation
 
@Bugs that's sadly too often the case with these ... but thanks for checking!
 
@tripleee no problem, thanks for clarifying
 
9:08 AM
@Bugs I would not be so sure, I can't find much meta, the only thing I found is this meta.stackoverflow.com/a/338212/5292302 (which is down voted), Question about software tools I consider more on how to use, then the actually installation of them.
There is also this meta.stackoverflow.com/a/269597/5292302... so yeah as far as meta is seems to be 1/2 ok almost as it depends on the actual installation problem... anyway that question is bad... image of error already make's me cv.
 
@PetterFriberg I was under the impression that the use of them was fine for SO but the installation of them was off-topic. I guess it's interpretation again. It's hard to help someone install software when we have no idea about their system, their OS, their network, their rights, what they've tried etc. But it is easy enough to advise how to use software
 
I like Braiam's meta.stackoverflow.com/a/345884/5292302 answer on that last meta, but yeah better to close the last on as mcve, unclear or whatever.
 
@PetterFriberg yeah makes sense. I'd be inclined to help if the question gave a lot more details and would probably save my cv for another question.
 
9:27 AM
Err... don't think that was spam guys - I'm leaning more towards just a non-answer
 
Yeah I did not flag either... the user name was same as link, from the feedback maybe you should ask in charcoal metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/68110
 
Didn't even get chance, it was gone as I clicked the link
 
umm... cleared the flags and re-deleted... might be wrong... but... benefit of doubt and all that
 
I'm with you. Looked like NAA to me :)
 
@JonClements I don't regret my spam flag, I've already seen spam disguised as posts just like that, and I think the goal was indeed to promote clicks to their link. But I agree with the benefit of doubt nonetheless, because there's no real evidence of malice. Tough one.
 
9:35 AM
@EricAya yup - not saying either action is obviously right/wrong... tough call that one.
 
not safe for linguists warning
how many spammers use "u" as if it was a word?
 
Spammers mostly use proper spelling. It's those rude/abusive guys that use "u". metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
 
10:18 AM
@Bugs Sadly not.
 
Ok, I had a look and it's an easy change if you're still interested @Rizier123
It's actually not a code change but a design change. Change the column headers to the format you want Monday|Tuesday|Wednesday|Thursday|Friday|Saturday|Sunday which is just a free text change.
 
@Bugs It would be interesting to know
 
Right click the top left cell under the column header (where the day number is shown) and select Toggle Field Codes You'll see something like { IF Monday = "Sunday" 1 ""} Change the "Sunday" to the column header text so if starting with Monday it will be { IF Monday = "Monday" 1 ""}. This has to be done for each of the top cells.
 
@Bugs So the template uses fields an a macro to work, right? I will try that with changing the name in a few minutes and let you know if it worked.
 
Yes, the first part of the IF is a doc variable called MonthStart. You have to change each cell so that the second part after the = is the same as the column header. Should be as simple as that @Rizier123
So Tuesday will be { IF Monday = "Tuesday" 1 2} or something similar depending on the month you've selected. The last part 2 is actually the current value shown in the value being shown. All you have to do is change the day in between the quotes. The rest can stay the same.
 
10:28 AM
@Bugs Also to open a template in word do I have o open a new word file go to file > open and open the template or is there a simpler way? Because if you open the template it create a new file for you with the template.
 
@Rizier123 I think what you download is actually a document so best bet might be to save as a macro template and then when you want to make changes to the template right click and select Open. Double clicking the template will open a new document based on the template
 
Ah right click open is much nicer.
@Bugs Now one weird thing is that from Thursday it skips Friday and in the next cell it is Saturday in the condition?
@Bugs I've changed it and now the dates are 1, 3, 9, 10, 11, 2, 13, ... :/
 
@Rizier123 screenshot of what my template looks like; i.stack.imgur.com/QXlAT.png
Is that what you have it as (I've May selected)?
 
10:43 AM
@Bugs I thought I haven't messed around with the template, but I had one open where I tried stuff myself already. I just downloaded it again and it worked. Thanks for the help :)
 
@Rizier123 ah I see. Not a problem, glad I could help :)
 
@Bugs How does that "{if ...}" Syntax even work in word? Is it similar to excel and works if you have it as a field or what?
 
Within the code it finds the MonthStart. So for May it would be Monday. It basically says If MonthStart = "Monday" Then 1 Else ""
 
But I didn't evne know that word can execute and parse such code in a field.
@Bugs I just tried it a bit more and it seems to just work for the current month May, for the other ones it all starts on the second row?
@Bugs Nvm I think the problem is some spaces.
 
@Rizier123 you can insert formulas into the table which allows this kind of syntax. Quite useful. It's been a while myself since I've done anything like this. I say a while, probably about 8 years now.
Look at the layout tab and you'll see a formula button which you can use etc.
 
10:58 AM
@Bugs Ah nice I didn't know that. So this syntax hasn't even a special name, it's just formulas.
 
Basically yeah
 
So to set that variable they used a macro with those dialogs, but the days were purely done with those formulas based on that variable.
 
Yeah this is the code:
'Get the first day of the month
dStartDate = DateSerial(iYear, iMonth, 1)

'Update DocVariables with first day of month and last day of month
Vars("MonthStart").Value = dStartDate
This is the full formula in the cell {If { DocVariable MonthStart\@dddd}="Monday" 1 ""}
You can see this if you right click the Monday in the If { Monday and select Toggle Field Codes
 
11:25 AM
@Queen f
 
Morning
 
\o hello
 
Sam
Hiya
 
o/
 
\o
 
11:47 AM
@EricAya you might want to bring those up in Charcoal to get them reported to Metasmoke
it helps us capture similar spam in the future
 
@tripleee ok, how do I do that, just post the links in the room?
 
@EricAya that's a start
somebody with privileges needs to !!/report them so that Smokey picks them up
but that's more likely to happen over in the Smokey room
but too late now for these, they are already gone
 
ok
 
@tripleee stripe does look like a programming library to me
 
@JanDvorak sure, but "can I transfer money to the US" is not
whether you initiate the transaction programmatically or not
 
11:59 AM
"using Stripe" ?
Unless you mean he's asking about the legal side of things?
 
well, if he can clarify how it is related to programming, +1
 
Didn't look like a programming question to me either. Definitely too broad if it is otherwise it's unclear.
 
I went for too broad
 
Hi all! o/
 
@BaummitAugen o/
 
12:14 PM
@Cerbrus You double posted
 
@NathanOliver It's his new CerbrusAlarm script
 
waffles
 
@Nkosi no need to post NAA's. One flag is enough
 
@NathanOliver ok then my bad
 
unless of course you are out of flags
np
 
12:19 PM
nah I've still got flags. cool
 
Is also OK to ask for a reflag if the user does something to cancel the first one
 
@NathanOliver woops
 
12:34 PM
@Queen k
 
12:45 PM
morning!
 
Sam
@gunr2171 morning!
 
yo!
 
Do we abuse-nuke dumps of song lyrics in a foreign language?
In this case, user has valid posts too.
 
12:54 PM
@BaummitAugen If they have good controbutions I tend to down vote and delete vote instead
 
@NathanOliver Ok, thanks.
 
Presume good faith unless demonstrably otherwise
 
Yep. Hiya Jon
 
1:41 PM
Argh, no more votes but still plenty of NAAs in NATO. I need 200 of those, not 100. Actually make it 500.
"flags", not "votes". What I need is a coffee.
 
@EricAya You could probably make a userscript that tells you whether the Natty bot caught it. Those are already handled by the SOBotics folks, which could save you quite a few flags.
 
@BaummitAugen Good idea. I definitely think I sometimes waste flags on material that's already being taken care of.
 
Should be fairly easy to do, there is an API that tells you whether or not it's been reported.
 
Although, I would just like to have more flags available. 100 is an arbitrary amount. I don't understand why I can't have more than that.
 
@EricAya Agreed.
 
1:54 PM
I believe the official guidance is "you've done a great job. Now go get a life."
 
@JanDvorak Yeah, and I understand. But I see NAAs while browsing and the frustration is real.
 
My solution is to browse less.
Idea: have a userscript that delays flags on old posts one more day, then rechecks before flagging whether it still needs a flag.
 
^^ i second this.
 
@EricAya for sure if you see the auto-comments by SOBotics folks it's already flagged
 
2:20 PM
applies face to new bread and feeds old bread to the fishies
Morning
 
didn't know you reared fishes. lol
 
Meow Mix does not, in fact, deliver. I was disappointed to find that out
 
wow that's tons of chat flags...
 
yep
 
2:23 PM
I hope it's not here
 
The part of Lounge C++ will be played by C# today
 
na not here...
 
didn't look so
 
(<10k pleb)
 
The first flag was a direct attack on someone. Looks like that was sustained. Someone is just flagging their recent acerbic comments too
 
2:24 PM
yeah and the suspension time is increasing
 
Must be a case of Friday Flagging ;)
 
Huuuuuu
So I have been painting a Gundam in my spare time. First successful paint job. My last one I never could finish :(
 
@Compass Painting Gagnam Gundam style?
 
pics or it didn't happen
 
I get pic
 
2:32 PM
"meh" for that reported answer, question needs closing
 
FFS I cannot even flag a spam post. This system has to be changed. I should be able to flag as spam any time without limitations.
 
@gunr2171 yeep, that's why I did not mark it n....
 
Bye gang. See you another time.
 
cya
 
2:35 PM
uploadingggg
the entire shoulder binder that's all blue and glowy used to be green at some point because I stole it from another Gundam =w=
 
@Compass sweet!
 
I had a crisis in the middle where the eye sticker got lost and I was like gaaaaaah and I ended up painting the eyes and then I found the eye sticker stuck to myself after assembling it
I have a bunch of freebies from being an esteemed repeat offender at two places I eat.
I can get a free Nando's meal, I have $5 off CalTort, and I have a coupon for a free taco from CalTort.
 
3:06 PM
/shrug
 
@PetterFriberg Went with TB
 
Will do to, I saw this phrase " any plugin doing that?" so I could not flag the answer...
 
@NathanOliver code review?
 
@PetterFriberg ++
 
3:53 PM
@PetterFriberg Not sure it would fit there since technically it doesn't work.
 
4:11 PM
aah ok, I taught working code that they would just like to optimize....
 
They do want to optmize it but there is no reason they code they posted should get a TLE. I'm suspecting the code is not complete or it is a problem on SPOJ's end.
 
baah then unclear or mcve... or look the other way...
 
I'll look the other way
 
@AlonEitan We do not target users in this room
 
@NathanOliver Should I link to the 3 questions instead?
 
No.
 
Nope.
 
Doing so implies unilateral action by a group against one user over multiple questions, which gets us in trouble =w=
 
4:49 PM
You can cv-pls one of the questions. We do not condone going through a users profile and close voting all of their close worthy questions.
 
flag or vote if you want, and the system will feed it into the general cv queue.
i do love me some cole slaw
 
Fried chicken, cole slaw and mashed potatoes is a favorite dinner.
Also cole slaw on a BBQ burger is good
 
I can only pick two of the three for my diet 0w0\
at a time
 
slaw or taters, such a tough decision.
 
Hope the above is better, I did read the FAQ but missed section 9 (I also love coleslaw if it make any difference)
 
4:57 PM
Cole slaw with mayo >>> cole slaw with vinegar
 
5:18 PM
 
@Compass There is always oil with the vinegar, too. (and vinegar in majo).
 
5:37 PM
i mean the ones that aren't full-flavored
i like mine to be heavy :(
 
@JarrodRoberson and this request: Why were these [cv-pls] worthy? For one of them, the most recent activity was 1 year 4 months ago, the other 3mo ago. Were there rejected edits to these questions? Generally, [cv-pls] is intended for questions which will not get closed through the normal CV process (e.g. insufficient traffic in a tag), or for which there is some urgency to having them closed. I'm just wondering why these Qs?
 
6:11 PM
@SmokeDetector on that post, there is a comment with an email address... should that be flagged at all??
 
@SamOnela flag as "not constructive"
 
@gunr2171 thanks
 
no problem
 
7:09 PM
Open-faced sandwich cat, deploying!
is it just me or is the sobotics ad heavily aliased? i.stack.imgur.com/QPxQy.png
 
7:32 PM
@Compass yes it is, the gear especially
 
Bothers me a tad.
 
You better ping Art ; )
 
who's art?
 
he isn't here
 
Art department
 
7:35 PM
was it art's art?
and now the three letters a-r-t have lost all meaning
 
Yeah, he did both the gear logo and the ad.
 
=w= i am so confused
 
(that was sort of the point)
 
@Compass [status-bydesign]
 
gasp!
 
7:42 PM
edgy
 
smooooooooth
 
no it's actually very jagged :V
 
8:21 PM
Is anyone here regularly reviewing suggested edits? I haven't for sure
 
nope, but we are starting to try and dev something for it... Mark Amery was in the other day and we talked about the problem chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=37058779#37058779
 
I'm going through at the moment.
@PetterFriberg cool. Maybe something for the roommeeting?
 
Yeah, at least discuss the problem (the main issue now is that it's always full), hence no one can edit... not sure if a good or a bad thing :P
 
If you want to write the issue and then maybe link it in a comment on the question from Brad?
I'm already invested in a Dutch humor exchange. Can't leave serious comments after that.
 
waffle
 
8:47 PM
@PetterFriberg +1 for the title ...
 
@rene I'm regularly reviewing suggested edits, but not too many at a time, and I might reduce in frequency once I get the steward badge
 
8:59 PM
Is this suggested edit spam? It inserts a product name into the answer, and I would reject it regardless.
 
@Justin probably
but yeah, just reject because it removes like 70% of the answer code anywhere
 
But does rejecting as spam have similar effect as a spam flag? @TylerH
 
Anonymous user edit suggestions should instantly put your threshold to the max on what's OK and what's not
@Justin I believe so
It's specifically rejecting it as spam so I would imagine the effect is similar to simply flagging a post as spam
 
That's what I thought, and I'm careful about being too trigger happy about rejecting as spam
 
 
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11:05 PM
Should I reject suggested edits on non-answers or non-questions? That's my gut feeling for edits like this one
 
@Justin Yes please.
 
@BaummitAugen Reject as "no improvement"? The problem is that these sometimes do arguably improve the post; even if -1000 + 1 is still -999, it is arguably better than -1000
 
In this case, they can and should post their own answer, not edit some NAA.
 
Okay
And for edits on questions along similar lines?
 
Not sure on that, one could argue that's harder to judge. 3k vs 500 priv and stuff.
 
11:08 PM
I tend to just skip those edits...
 
Me too currently.
 
If anyone has a good answer for whether minor improvements on bad questions should be accepted or rejected, I would like to know
 
Just 10 suggested edit reviews away from the steward badge.... I'm pretty excited
@BaummitAugen So it seems like I might want to approve edits which slightly improve bad questions (which will be closed and deleted), which would help avoid the question from going into the reopen queue for a future trivial edit. OTOH, if it's really quite a minor re-wording, I might just reject it. In other words, I'll probably still skip most such edits, but I might pay a little bit more attention
 
11:25 PM
@Justin Sounds good. I never understood this queue in depth. :/
 
11:42 PM
@Justin When I'm looking to CV, I usually try to resolve pending edits, prior to my CV, usually with Improve edit, or Reject and Edit. Such edits almost never are sufficient to change the CV into a leave open. Thus, IMO, such suggested edits should not be left to take effect after the question is closed, which would cause the Q to be inappropriately placed in the reopen queue. Minor edits after the Q is closed, IMO, cause harm by usurping the OP's one free entry into the reopen queue via edit.
 
Makes sense
... 1 review away from steward and my queue is empty
I just got the steward badge for suggested edit reviews (well, when it goes through the system)!
 
@RiggsFolly Will roomba.
 

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