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12:00 AM
@NobodyNada That will not help against bursts, e.g from bad power supplies. I'd start with a simple temporal majority filter: trigger on an edge, check after e.g. 1/4 of the min pulse-width. Allow for re-trigger on another same edge during that time. Check after 2/4 again. 2 of 3 of the samples make the value. the code assk some more quality, finally add EDC (Classical Reed-Solomon is still a good pick) codes at block-level.
Of course you can use more advanced techniques, e.g. Viterby or Turbo-codes. If you are intereseted only in detecting errors: CRCs are fine.
 
@Olaf I like the majority filter idea! We thought about adding EDC, but we decided against it since, in the competition, the machine is going to be used to transmit a short English sentence (3 words). If a character is wrong, it should still be legible, and we didn't have a lot of time to implement things.
If we had more time though, EDC would definitely be a priority.
 
@Machavity done
 
If you are a bit familiar with UARTs: They typically use a x16 oversampling and take the mid 3 samples, starting from the first edge. In software, I'd recommend using GPIO edge-interrupts plus a timer.
Depends on the competition. EDC si not that complicated, e.g. the one used for DRAM is quite easy to implement (some Hamming-code with matrix-parity). RS might indeed be a bit overkill.
Problem is if you can't make a fixed block-size, you need to use a stream-correction; the NbMb codes can also provide for that (just with more overhead, of course).
 
@Olaf can an atmega send an interrupt when an analog pin crosses a threshold?
@Olaf hmm...that's a good point
 
12:16 AM
@NobodyNada Ehm, I thought that was a digital pin. Why analog? (not sure if it can; but you can do that in the interrupt handler; use a Schmitt-trigger approach) With Analog there are much more coding, modulation and correction schemes possible.
@NobodyNada I hope so, I claim this is part of my major fields of interest and knowledge. :-)
 
@Olaf The data itself is not analog, but the sensor is a photoresistor. Sure, we could use hardware to detect when it crosses the threshold...but it's easier to do that in software than in hardware, especially with a deadline.
@Olaf :D
His competition is on Tuesday, but I think he'll probably have another one after that. If he does, I'd love to implement some EDC + your temoral majority filter
 
@NobodyNada A simple 74LVC14 or similar will do very well. Not sure if the ATmega has an OP-amp or comparator integrated. For such stuff, the STM32F3xx is a very interesting family.
 
Oh sweet, it looks like the ATmega does have an analog comparator, with interrupts :D
 
@NobodyNada Yes, but the ATmega can hopefully generate a "conversion complete" interrupt. In the handler, just do some schmitt-trigger algorithm. E.g. oversample by 4 (the higher the better - simplified), then get the digtital signal at the base-rate (still dititally oversampled!). Finally filter the digital signal once more using the mentioned majority-vote.
But for details, I'd have to know the whole setup and requirements, of course. That was more or less some starter stuff to give an direction what to research about. See WLAN or HDMI: that field (data transmissions, line encoding) can be extended arbitrarily.
 
afk for dinner, probably won't be back until tomorrow. Thank you so much for the ideas, @Olaf!
 
12:27 AM
@NobodyNada ENjoy you dinner. Welcome :-)
 
12:59 AM
Can someone tell me why people are hating on my for my answer? stackoverflow.com/a/43174923/5645656
 
1:26 AM
@JackKirby You are answering a poorly-asked question... that doesn't have a real question
 
@JackKirby I didn't downvote, but your answer contains some unusual formatting including non-standard tabs and use of quote (">") for emphasis. When I started on SO I would just answer anything. Eventually I just wait until the question is clear and precise. Don't worry, you'll find good questions to answer!
@JackKirby do you know any niche technologies that might have low-traffic tags? It's hard to answer in because a lot of the questions are poorly-posed and the good questions get snapped up by high-rep answerers :-)
 
1:43 AM
@SamuelLiew I've seen other people so the same thing and get 436 upvotes
@DavidRawson unfortunately I currently only speak java
 
@JackKirby it seems you know (are you sure you don't know something like ?). Perhaps it is better to start answering in that tag
 
2:03 AM
@DavidRawson Nope. I am still using books.google.com/… and can only do basic java
and then a bit of GUI on the side
just a little tho
 
2:16 AM
@QPaysTaxes stackoverflow.com/a/7574008/4688119 TL;DR it is the same as +=
@QPaysTaxes I searched that in Google.. My first guess was that it was the same, but I wasn't sure either
I searched "=+ operator" and the first result was on SO which was a duplicate leading to this q.
@NobodyNada fire on the pi crashed again :(
you'll need to boot it up
 
@QPaysTaxes the only thing I've ever learned in C++ is a print statement. So I can't do that yet
 
@QPaysTaxes yup, it fails in many cases, but it also does work in many cases.
fyi, I'm running a backup copy of fire so ping me if it crashes.
 
 
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3:53 AM
literally 11 points from 10k...
 
@MattClark Get your rep here stackoverflow.com/…
 
@MattClark up-vote...un-up-vote....up-vote...un-up-vote... :-)
 
;) is it just me, or are the questions exceptionally bad right now?
@Makyen plz no tease... aha
 
@SmokeDetector <- Other user's spam answer is still live
 
@MattClark The whole weekend has felt slower than normal. It's normally, relatively, slow on weekends, but this weekend has felt exceptionally so.
 
4:00 AM
https://www.grafoverflow.com
If only I had other weekends to compare it to... :DDD
 
4:18 AM
@MattClark I did think of your SW when making that comment. While having only a single other weekend to compare to isn't a good comparison from a data analysis point of view, this weekend is noticeably down on at least a few metrics vs. last weekend.
 
 
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6:02 AM
Does anyone know what this guy's problem is?? stackoverflow.com/questions/43170730/…
 
hi guys
 
6:25 AM
@AndyK In general, it's best to state one of the official close reasons. Custom reasons are, sometimes, necessary or beneficial, but try to stick to the official ones. As to no code: Code, specifically an MCVE, is only required for debugging questions (and homework questions, which must show an attempt). Not having code does not, inherently, make a question off-topic. Code can be very helpful, as it can clarify and narrow a question, but it's not required, except in the above situations.
 
@Makyen tbh, I'm not even sure of the official guideline
before, a few years ago, having no code was almost a certainty to have the question closed
and now, it is not the case anymore
fine
but in the case of the chap, have a look at his question
where are the official written reasons btw ...?
 
@AndyK I didn't say the question shouldn't be closed, just that we would prefer one of the normal reasons to be used, when possible. As to that question specifically, I would use too broad, or primarily opinion based. The normal reasons are the ones which can be selected as close reasons in the close-vote dialog. I believe that they are very similar to the ones which are available for flagging for closure. However, I never did a side by side comparison. (continued)
 
fair enough I got your point
 
6:41 AM
@AndyK They are based on the on-topic and off-topic help center pages. In general they are: Too Broad, Unclear, Primarily Opinion Based, Duplicate, No MCVE, Typo or can not reproduce, Belongs on Super User, Belongs on Server Fault, and Request for off-site resource.
@AndyK I generally use custom reasons for homework which does not show an attempt, when the question belongs on another site, or is not programming related (e.g. asking about licensing, SEO, dealing with some interaction with another site (although some of those can be on-topic), etc.).
 
I like your way of fine tuning
coming back
 
 
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8:08 AM
@AdrianHHH hmm, that's not the first time I've seen that editor bump a post which needs to be closed through such a pointless edit. Time for a comment perchance?
 
Thanks @Adriaan, I have added a comment. But I am not sure if he will be notified as typing "@C" did not reveal his or any other names.
 
@AdrianHHH he will; editors can be pinged, just copy-past their full account name and remove the spaces. You might want to add a mention to the bumping of the Q, which is the problem with editing old questions
 
8:29 AM
@SmokeDetector the question has also no MCVE
 
Also o/
 
@Seth \o, yeah spammy.. voted unclear for now.
 
8:47 AM
Hiya
 
\o BR
 
 
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10:55 AM
waffle
 
 
1 hour later…
12:14 PM
Is it possible to retract a flag on a post that is now deleted (with the pending flag still on it)?
 
Plop!
 
o/
 
/o
 
Sam
12:36 PM
Hiya
 
1:17 PM
morning!
 
Morning, gunr!
 
Plop gunr!
 
yo
@Kyll, do you mind hopping on mumble for 2 minutes so I can test it's recording?
 
Can't, at school atm
 
right, I'll try later
 
1:25 PM
@Kyll reports to CMs as an underage user
 
@Mistalis just so you know, that's backwards
 
@BhargavRao I can't be anything but underage, Spearrels don't live that long.
 
Sigh, soon spearrels will all die
 
Not before we've taken down the whole world
 
yeah, that's why they say unicorns are imaginary
 
"Death Metal unicorn" yields a surprising number of results in DDG Image search.
 
oh good, we can still migrate those messages
 
Did you do that manually?
 
no, the archiver script. But I'm sure I have an older version of the script
Mistalis has the format backwards, didn't know how flexible the matching pattern was
 
oh hey, 1,000 reopen queue reviews
 
 
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2:55 PM
@TylerH Oh, hey, 500 H&I, with some other queues...
 
3:33 PM
@FOX9000 can you please stop posting those messages here, and stick with the useful messages only? cc @ProgramFOX (eg dump these in either SOBotics, or your own chatroom)
 
yeah sure
I'll dump them in some log file instead
 
Thanks.
 
3:47 PM
Ruby and Javascript behave the same.
A crash would be undesirable here. Did you mean an exception?
 
!>apiquota
 
@ProgramFOX 9631
 
ok, it won't post the error messages in here now
 
@ProgramFOX aight, thanks
 
4:08 PM
@Machavity half grats
 
please delete this answer (as requested by its author)
 
@user2314737 Why can't they delete it themselves?
 
In the future, just flag it.
@M.A.R. Occasionally we get people from the Android app unable to delete their own stuff
 
I already recommended deletion in the review queue
 
4:23 PM
@Undo Oh gotcha
 
Yeah, the app has some terrible mod tools
CVs in the app are all called flags
 
To some extent they are flags.
Until a while back CVs showed up as flags in the timelines.
 
True, but it's a bit disconcerting to go through the closure process and see "Flag submitted". Differing nomenclature and all that
Ironically, I use my mobile browser for it. Far less confusing and acts like when I'm on a desktop
and you can't chat on the app
 
4:39 PM
@Undo The SE API considers close-votes to be flags (1, 2, 3).
 
The API considers Shog to be an elected moderator
 
Well I didn't vote for him
What, did some watery tart lob a sword at 'im?
 
4:57 PM
@TylerH Nice!
 
user4639281
I love it when my ide tells me that my code is overly clever
 
5:14 PM
Trust me, the analyzer ends with E_NO_CLUE and then calls the code clever ...
 
@TinyGiant "This code is too magical for me to compile"
 
user4639281
:P
 
or follow the dupe ^
 
user4639281
 
5:31 PM
Hmm, so now it looks like I call one of the room owners a dupe that needs to be followed ...
 
user4639281
lol
 
user4639281
Always follow the dupe
 
@SmokeDetector is that unclear, no MCVE or spam?
 
5:49 PM
Hello!
 
user4639281
Olloh!
 
Jello
 
6:22 PM
Mello
 
o/
 
_o/
 
6:41 PM
I can't VTC myself, since I misread the question and voted for an unrelated dupe.
Now I found a dupe with the same problem but a different symptom, and the OP is upset at me about it.
...and now it's got an answer. sigh...
 
@FireAlarm omg someone delete that
 
> Allow post owners to override suggested edit decisions -- status built
 
@dorukayhan It's not urgent; it'll get roomba'd pretty soon
 
7:02 PM
Is this a typo?
 
@NobodyNada IMO no
 
No, it's a link to a question
 
It may be a dupe though; let me search for a moment before I answer
afk for lunch
 
user4639281
JetBrains WebStorm uses a lot of memory
 
7:22 PM
plops in
 
7:40 PM
This question was dead in the water (all answers but one were outdated, OP of question hasn't been seen for two years). I posted an updated answer, but is the question itself worth keeping? I should also note the number of upvotes to the incorrect answers.
Am I correct in saying that the only thing we can do is try prompting the OPs of those answers to update them?
 
user4639281
@cybermonkey The simple answer is that question is off-topic as it is not about programming
 
@TinyGiant It's about a programming tool (as noted in my updated answer), I think it's borderline. There are similar (recent) questions relating to other cloud computing services that haven't been closed.
If not, you could also argue that questions relating to Visual Studio's interface (i.e, the non-programming side) are also off-topic.
 
user4639281
@cybermonkey If it is about the use of a programming tool for the purposes of programming yes, this is asking about whether or not there is a free version of the tool. Not only will the answer to that inevitably change, it isn't a question about using the programming tool for programming purposes.
 
user4639281
If it was "How do I do X with google compute engine?" then it may be on-topic, but "Is there a free version of this tool?" will never be on-topic.
 
@TinyGiant Point taken.
 
user4639281
7:46 PM
For example, tomorrow google might take down that package, then your answer would be null and void, and at some point someone will be bugging you to correct it.
 
user4639281
@cybermonkey active 4 months ago, 26 views and one vote?
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
Just flag it and let the close queue handle it.
 
Tag Wiki Edit Monitor is going to run here for some public testing. Please break it enjoy the new service. Plop @Jammy!
5
 
@TinyGiant they won't. I'll wager a bet on that.
 
7:59 PM
[ TagWiki Edit Monitor ] Tag wiki links 3049769; (verified by @Kyll)
 
Jammy? Really?
 
Well, hey, it could be Hatty...
 
Did Sam run out of names that sound like "Sam"?
 
@gunr2171 Did Sam author Jammy?
 
no idea
it's the same avatar as other Sam bots
 
Sam
8:01 PM
It's one of @BhargavRao's bots.
But running under one of my bot accounts.
 
@gunr2171 So apparently yes, although I'd say "Jammy" feels like a gray area.
 
it should be "Jam"
to follow the typical Sam formula
 
Sam
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
Hypocorism is meh
 
8:06 PM
@gunr2171 We only throw exceptions around here (╯°□°)╯︵($e)
 
I throw rocks
at kyll
 
I throw Kyll
at rocks
 
I throw Kyll... at other Kylls?
 
Sam
Kyllception
 
You should throw Kyll at Yvette. Hijinks ensue
 
8:07 PM
Let's kyll this joke already.
 
Kyll overflow
 
@JanDvorak not sure if serious or adding to joke....
 
both
 
@rene Kyll overthrow?
 
20 messages of Kyll jokes, and then we remember he's an RO.
 
8:08 PM
Oh :(
Is that bad?
 
nope
RO's have no power
 
hehehe
wait ... wut?
3
 
: )
 
in before Rene gets kicked
 
Hey I'm ba-- oh what the hell happened again
 
8:14 PM
oh, hi!
 
Sam
hi, oh!
 
user4639281
!ho, ih
 
user4639281
 
Why was that sanitized?
 
user4639281
8:17 PM
Cause it was noise
 
The first one was content
It was a cv-pls in disguise
 
user4639281
Not really, it was a joke that failed before it landed
 
oh?
It took me far too long to notice you're trashing your own message. I'll take your word then.
 
user4639281
:P
 
@Kyll That's rene's line
 
8:54 PM
Is there a reason this could be closed?
I'm leaning towards "no," but I wish there was one
 
user4639281
Well, I'm assuming the answer is "Yes", plus a primarily opinion based statement about how doing so would be a horrible thing to do.
 
user4639281
Unfortunately, I don't see any applicable close reason. I do see a reason to downvote though.
 
@TinyGiant I agree
deleted by it's author -- problem solved!
 
user4639281
I'm horrible with Big-O notation, trying to figure out what the notation for this would be (the merge function)
 
@TinyGiant For n objects with a mean of k properties, you run nk operations. k is a constant so it's irrelevant. I'd say O(n).
Not entirely sure neither - I don't know the theory and maths behind this notation yet
 
9:24 PM
What...someone uprooted this?
stupid auto-correct...upvoted
 
Whoa!
I lost it at 4:50
Aw, man...it's "just" video streamed over the controller port
 
@NobodyNada Yeah, same. Rofl'ed in front of the computah.
 
I mean, sure, that's impressive...but it seemed like it was more than that from watching it
 
@NobodyNada Well I mean that's the point, no?
 
9:37 PM
@Kyll yeah...I don't really know what I expected
I expected more than a video player though
@Kyll Have you seen this?
 
@NobodyNada Yeah I've been watching all of that guy's content, and on his secondary channel too x)
He's a genius
 
@Kyll me too :D
@Kyll indeed he is
I have to go; see you probably tomorrow!
 
o/
 
Any RO, please remove this request. A request already exists for this question.
 
Sure thing.
 
10:11 PM
Anyone feel like giving me a few tips on user reporting?
 
Like? Whats going on?
 
In the comments of one of my answers stackoverflow.com/a/43172627/5645656 this one user keeps interrogating me, I reported his comments as rude or offensive, but he continues to gas-light me
 
Mh
@JackKirby If you feel someone's bothering you or targetting you personally, there's nothing we can do as users. You'll have to either flag for moderator attention (flag link on your answer) or use the Contact link at the bottom of the page (this would be slower). Do remember that unless a user is being clearly offensive (as in insults, "You're just lazy" and other kinds of harassment) a moderator won't be able to do much.
 
@JackKirby what I can give you a tip on is that if you feel that the question you link in your answer is actually the answer, and therefore the question is a duplicate, you'd best remove your answer in my opinion, as you give opposing signals by answering it and close voting/flagging at the same time.
 
^ Also what this guy said as for your answer's content
As my final point, do remember that sometimes thinking "Meh" and moving on is a pretty good strategy once you've flagged / voted to close content. If any further action should be taken, flag for mod attention.
 
10:18 PM
@JackKirby, I cannot see any of the posts made by the other user - must have been already nuked? I will say that, I personally would have just added a close vote as a dupe, you should have that ability - Flag -> Should be Closed -> Duplicate of..., you can then paste or search for the duplicate question.
 
Now please slow down on the replies - let Jack read through all this first =p
Feel free to ask more questions or discuss what was said by the way, we're happy to help!
 
And like we kinda said yesterday, don't dwell too long one one question. Do your thing, spend a few minutes, and move on. Only if comments add value, should you even acknowledge them.
Also what they all said /\
Also, if you are voting to close, for whatever reason, you should not also post an answer. ;)
The About blurb on your profile also has a few spelling mistakes.
 
I'll be handling the replies from now on
@JackKirby You must absolutely avoid name-calling, particularly in here.
 
lol
how else shall I explain the mental manipulation he's using?
 
If you want some real advice, just calm down a little bit, don't take it to heart, and move onto the next question. Its already been flagged, don't dwell.
 
10:24 PM
You shan't. Not in here. Again, this is inappropriate.
1 min ago, by Kyll
I'll be handling the replies from now on
 
Again, if you feel targetted or at unease with a user, there's nothing we can do.
 
Its been done. Move on.
 
You guys always got the best advice xD
 
Heh, thanks.
@QPaysTaxes so tasty
 
10:27 PM
That's why I bury gold bars.
 
@MattClark so painful
 
lol
gtg
 
spearrel?
upvote to annoy
but srsly, how did that even get an upvote
 
user4639281
@Kyll Ahh k
 
@QPaysTaxes Please don't pepper your requests with such comments. This is about moderating content, not deciding who gets to earn rep.
@TinyGiant Note that, worst-case scenario, the constant wouldn't be k but 2k since you iterate over the conflicts. Doesn't change the big O, I think.
 
user4639281
10:34 PM
@Kyll I was wondering mostly about the conflicts part
 
@QPaysTaxes It has history, which you can find in meetings or the FAQ or previous discussions about this matter. If you think it's pointless, raise an issue for the next meeting.
@TinyGiant Well I think you can consider that the amount of keys isn't as important as the amount of objects.
@QPaysTaxes Yeah after thinking about it it makes sense too, to think that it grows linearly with the amount of objects and the amount of keys.
@QPaysTaxes Of course. But if you're angry about content not being voted on the way you want, there's no need to bring it here: You can vote yourself. You know the kind of consequences that bringing it here can have.
Yeah?
What did you mean?
Ah lol
 
user4639281
@Kyll So worst case scenario is that all objects have the same keys correct?
 
@TinyGiant yeah
 
user4639281
So is it not O(n^k) then?
 
@TinyGiant Er
No that would be terrifying
^
 
user4639281
10:41 PM
Ahh, ok
 
Also worth noting that object access is O(1) and ninja'ed
 
@QPaysTaxes That's usually a good time to go to sleep (if not earlier). Productivity almost always goes down well before that time. Usually the loss in productivity is sufficient such that getting at least some sleep is significantly superior (or using other techniques to refresh).
 
Meh
Answer seems fine, one could edit out the link but I'm not even sure it's worth the bother
 
user4639281
10:57 PM
made it a bit simpler (nothing as far as operational complexity goes, just made it simpler)
 
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