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12:02 AM
@BaummitAugen Yeah, another time that might help. It's hoped that conscientious users check rejection reasons. But, it's not clear if that's the case. I seem to recall a meta where there were at least comments with people saying if they did so or not. I'm not sure on which meta post those were placed. At least my impression is that there's no way to get data as to if users actually go looking for edit-reject reasons.
 
But we can at least help those who do check.
 
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12:33 AM
@Makyen IIRC there was a post that did have data on that, as all user actions and page views are tracked by Stack Overflow. I don't recall what the data said.
 
@TinyGiant It's a good point that all page views are tracked. I don't recall seeing the processed data for this (obviously, they're not releasing the raw data). If you happen to find the post, I'd be interested to see it. I didn't find the post I was thinking about in the time I allowed myself for searching. It's just interest, so don't spend much time looking.
 
 
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2:55 AM
I'm sorry @Olaf, but you are wrong on a number of points ;-)
1) "that one looks ok to me." - Not true. The edit changes the comment showing the result of isObject(null) from the correct null value to the incorrect false value.
2) "I don't see how a comment can result in wrong program behaviour" - That's not what Nick said. He said "introducing a flaw", meaning that a user reading the answer will be led into thinking that the isObject() function will always return a boolean when in fact it does not.
3) "not every edit in code by anyone else than the OP is malicious" - We were not saying that the edit was malicious, just that it was incorrect.
4) "AFAIK null evaluates as false in conditions." - Incorrect. Even if that were true, the answer is using logical operators, not conditional operators. For logical operators, null also does not "evaluate" to false, but is instead falsy.
5) "comments should not just repeat the obvious" - Except in this case they are not repeating the obvious, as you yourself have proven :) If fact, I would posit that in this case they are absolutely essential to the answer!
6) "I did not want to discuss this particular edit" - But… but… that's exactly what you did do in your first post: "I'm not sure the edit is futile"; and "that one looks ok to me".
7) "the strict "do not edit code" statement of @robinCTS" - That's not exactly what I said. (To be fair, I can see how what I actually said might be interpreted as such.) What I said was "Leave a comment for the editor suggesting that in future (s)he refrain from editing code in answers".
More precisely, what I meant was, "in the nicest possible way, please suggest that, as the editor seems incapable of determining whether or not a piece of code is correct by actually running it, in future it would be best if (s)he specifically refrain from code edits".
NickA seems to have understood correctly what I meant, as he very appropriately linked to the meta post I had in mind, but didn't have time to track down, when I replied to him. Note the first bullet point in the "Editing Code in Answers" section of the answer to that meta post: "Test your edited code to make sure it works". NickA did, as did I. The editor clearly did not. Did you, Olaf? ;) (cc @NickA)
 
 
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5:07 AM
the above can now be deleted by 20k users
 
@SamuelLiew Thanks
 
 
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6:47 AM
@MartinJames Don't denigrate users. Request reasons should be about the post, not the user.
 
@Makyen Note that OP describes themself as 'rookie' in the comments. 'incompetent' is not denigration, merely a description of the user's level of competence in C ATM, not any indication of future competence or skills in other areas.
 
@MartinJames I'm not saying you can't post a cv-pls about the question. But close reasons should only be about the post, not the user. While I understand that the user referred to themselves as a rookie (their reference is unclear if they are saying a rookie at SO, or SW), we don't want to have things posted which could be perceived as being negative towards specific users, particularly in moderation requests.
 
@Makyen ACK.
 
 
Ron
7:58 AM
Good morning all.
 
Morning \o
Daughters already 3 weeks old today \o/
Kinda freaky how fastly time flies by :\
 
Ron
@kayess Congratulations.
 
@Ron TY
 
8:34 AM
You can't unsee this..
 
LOL
 
8:52 AM
@kayess before you know it they bring home a (b|g)f ...
 
HATZ
 
@rene no-plz
 
9
Q: Case of [gml]: should it only be related to [game-maker-language]?

Vadim KotovI've seen this request, and the result of it is here: gml, which is related to Game Maker Language now, has 222 questions gml-geographic-markup-lan, which is about geographic GML, 36 questions, and has horrible name. It is not even [-lang], it ends with -lan! But there is also game-maker-lang...

 
 
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10:11 AM
@SamuelLiew Am I missing something? I thought a question had to be ≤ -3 to be eligible for immediate deletion by 20k users, as seen in point #5 from the faq.
 
10:32 AM
@NickA No, it's not browser related. It is due to the normal JavaScript short-circuiting falsy effect when using null.
 
 
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11:40 AM
morning
 
Just after midday and my house already smells of meat and beer. I like this day already
 
@robinCTS Fair enough, I decided to give the editor the benefit of the doubt (in that I assumed they had at least done some testing) and didn't look into it any further than testing it in Chrome
 
11:55 AM
@NickA It was clear to me that they hadn't tested the code. That's why I suggested they be firmly guided away from editing code. If you don't test your code edits, you can't be trusted to edit code ;-) Great pickup on the meta post you linked to. It was the one I had in mind but neglected to add to my reply.
 
dur
12:21 PM
@rene: Could you please remove my following cv-pls: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/40447911#40447911 and chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/40447923#40447923? Both questions are very old with no new traffic. Sorry.
 
@robinCTS Read my comments **carefully again and don't cite out of context.
 
Do you need a certain level of rep to get hats?, the bot account stackoverflow.com/users/6294609/queen does not show the hat icon...
 
@robinCTS An incorrect code-edit is malicious by definition.
@robinCTS Very well ok, you can't validly say different. Fundamental logic, I emphasised the relevant part: "that one looks ok to me." I did not say I am correct, though. In further posts I made clear I could very well be wrong here. To end this: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/40431159#40431159 strongly implies you discourage all code-edits. That's all I intended to correct. I think @NickA understood it eventually. Looks like you did, too, (now).
@PetterFriberg Hats are for biological beings only.
 
12:39 PM
Hello, Is this chat room also for discussing low-quality answers ?
 
@Pac0 . socvr.org
 
@olaf thx
 
@Olaf :( not for my socks...
 
@Pac0 Welcome, btw ;-)
@PetterFriberg If your socks are biological beings you should get a new pair. Otherwise they might take over your feet.
 
12:53 PM
@Pac0 if you want to close this, just post a cv-request (see the FAQ form the formatting).
 
Hello. I can't find any undelete link on this answer: stackoverflow.com/a/47737641/1033581. Maybe it's because I'm only 10k, not 20k rep. But "restarting Xcode" is the valid answer to the question, so I'm sad that it got deleted from review.
 
@Olaf, no, it was about this answer, which I wrongly reviewed as "Looks OK" instead of "This in new question posted as an answer" : stackoverflow.com/a/47813039/479251
 
@Pac0 Sorry, I somehow missintepreted the "answer" in your orignial post. Next time it is best to post the link. But remember: we don't moderate users, i.e. no links to user profiles.
@Pac0 That's actually Not An Answer. It is a follow-up question. OP confuses SO with a discussion forum. I'll drop a comment.
 
@Cœur custom mod flag it if you think review is incorrect
 
@Olaf sorry, just experimenting with the -pls syntax
 
1:05 PM
@PetterFriberg, OK, I'll do that next time. For this specific answer, I'm afraid that it may be seen as a reply to an off-topic question, so I'll not further involve.
 
@Cœur The question actually lacks the information xcode is already running, but asks how to start it. A comment asking for clarification would have been the first measure instead of a speculative answer.
 
@Olaf, it's not speculative, as I myself encountered this issue and fixed it this way (as seen by my comment from November)
 
@Cœur I think I saw that also and skipped even if technically an answer I remeber some meta telling that reboot is not an answer. I will search some later if I come up with something I will let you know
 
@Pac0 It's not a reject, but a NAA. I don't think we ask for this normally, though. And the question is too broad anyway, asking for code. (this happens often if OP asks a follow-up question).
@Cœur Ok, looks like that Apple-stuff is showing now as strange a behaviour as the MS stuff.
 
@Olaf it is not untold that Apple is the new MS.
 
1:12 PM
@Olaf Good point about the "Not true", as it is wrong. I should have said "Incorrect" or "It is not OK". However, I'm pretty sure I'm not quoting you out of context. Your sentence "Reading the other comments in the snippet (but not the question and rest of the post), that one looks ok to me." is very unclear as there are no comments on the answer we are discussing, nor does it have a code snippet.
However, given the context of the previous two sentences which are discussing the specific edit that NickA queried about, I can only presume that is what your "that one" is referring to. What precisely did you mean by that whole sentence and specifically "that one looks ok to me"?
 
@Cœur I just was being nice (adds a red mark in his calendar), because I know how proud most Apple users are about "their" jailors ;-)
 
@Olaf Incorrect again ;-) Malicious implies intent. Check a dictionary for the definition.
 
Time to agree that you disagree.
 
@robinCTS I'm absolutely not interested in that kind of word-picking/asking to reason every single letter. Feel free to think you just won that discussion; I'm out.
@PetterFriberg I wish you had waited just 1 minute longer before posting that ;-)
 
@Olaf If you aren't interested in nit-picking, then why did you start by nit-picking my reply to NickA?
 
1:17 PM
@robinCTS We recap this when you have to lead such a picky discussion in German.
@robinCTS I did not. But hey, also feel free to feel as the winner for that one. You must have German ancestors.
 
@Olaf Italian actually :-)
 
@robinCTS So have some pasta with olive oil and let's end this.
 
@Olaf np
 
@Olaf Why not a pizza?
 
@Olaf Sorry, should have said North Italian. So that's pasta, but no olive oil ;-)
 
1:21 PM
Looks like Microsoft has a recipie against global warming: They now integrate OpenSSH into Windows. Another part of hell freezing.
 
^ Butter instead!
 
@robinCTS or polenta?
 
@PetterFriberg Ohh, yes! Definitely lots of polenta!!
 
@PetterFriberg @robinCTS Both fine for me, too. Actually I'd use both for the pasta: butter and olive oil. Better: Bagna Cauda.
 
@Olaf Sounds interesting. I think I'll stick with just the butter though. And no tomato sauce in my pasta either, thank you very much!
 
1:29 PM
this is a word by word copy of this this
What to do ?
 
@robinCTS Well, I lerned this from the TV series, but it is indeed a true classic N/W-Italian dish. And yes, it sounds interesting. The English translation for the name "Bagna Cauda" means "tripple heart bypass", btw. ;-)
 
@Olaf I'd never heard of it before. But then my parents come from central North Italy. (And by North, I mean North North, as in on the Swiss border.)
 
No olive oil with left bolognese.
 
@kayess Mod-flag for plagiarism. If the question is a dupe of the original, dupe-close that one, too.
@robinCTS Interesting, isn't it? My parents have absolutely no relation to Italy or the roman cuisine at all. Well, I guess watching TV has not only negative effects.
@Cœur I only usee the right one. With that olive oil works fine.
 
@Olaf done
 
1:35 PM
@kayess Good being! Have a biscuit.
@kayess The original question is too broad now. But I doubt we will get this closed&deleted.
 
@Olaf yeah it's too high on numbers ...
 
if it's north Italia near Swiss border then Risotto could also fit.
 
2:22 PM
Searching "[documentation] closed:yes answers:0" shows a bunch of 10k-eligible questions that have no value to the site because they're closed and have no answers. Some of them will already Roomba due to a score of zero or less, but there are a fair number which won't.
 
2:40 PM
@VadimKotov Might wanna reject that edit too
 
@LW001 Self promotion for sure. Not sure it's spam tho
 
me neither so I asked
also what to close that as
Is this new?
 
Nope. Been that way for years
 
3:36 PM
@VadimKotov Too slow ;-)
 
lul
@Olaf do you play League Of Legends?
 
@BradleyWilliamElko No. Why?
 
@Olaf there is a champion in the game named "Olaf"
 
@BradleyWilliamElko I should be paid by them for using my name then.
 
@Olaf when were you born?
 
3:43 PM
@BradleyWilliamElko Definitively before that games was developed.
 
@Olaf that's free money, then.
 
@BradleyWilliamElko It would be if that name wasn't fairly common. Just pick the right region of the world.
 
flops in
 
sneaks out
 
Stupid question: How much reps does a question upvote give? is it 5 or 10?
 
I dunno
 
@Olaf Dunno. Never tried it.
 
4:03 PM
@MartinJames That#s exactly why I have to ask, too ;-)
 
5 I think
 
@LW001 I thought the same, but I'm not really sure.
 
I found it in the help: 'question is voted up: +5'
 
My hours-worked time tracker has poor validation.
I accidentally put in that I worked 88 hours on a single day and it was fine with it owo
 
4:06 PM
nice
you are very committed
 
@Compass You actually can work more than 24 hours in a single day, depending on jurisdiction.
 
What do do with stackoverflow.com/questions/27094380/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/46780088/… (latter deleted)? Does that suffice spam?
 
@Makyen a day is technically longer than 24 hours
 
@LW001 I think so, considering the method in which they were posted
 
How do you guys compress time ?
 
4:09 PM
@Makyen Helpful as always. Thank you!
 
Thing is I can't really say "the nerd reposted it twice" in a spam flag, that's why I was unsure
 
@Makyen You mean "planet"?
@LW001 Use a custom mod-flag and link the other post?
 
@Compass @BradleyWilliamElko @Olaf What we're talking about is a work-day. Those don't stop/start at some arbitrary clock time (depending on jurisdiction). At least in some jurisdictions, there is a minimum amount of time that must be spent not working in order for hours to be counted in a new day. If that amount of time has not been spent, then the time continues to accrue in the prior day, and must be paid at whatever increased rate is required (e.g. overtime/double-time).
 
O+O
88 hours is a looong time
 
@LW001 well yes you don't have to call them a nerd in the flag
that's rude
 
4:15 PM
can you rude flag a custom flag
 
Worths a chat flag that you wanted to rude flag a custom flag
We can't get more recursive
 
Indeed I don't think this can get further
 
@Compass Yep. It's unlikely and deserves a notice/dialog for verification, but possible. The most likely thing is that a stop/start pair wasn't recorded. But, it's also possible that the time was worked, potentially even with the person taking multiple periods of time not working in which they got some sleep.
 
@Makyen Well, never head of that and it sounds not possible to me (but maybe I missunderstand what you mean). Basically, I bill by month. If my work crosses the line of the last day in a month to the first of the next, I have to split it. And it is not possible to work longer than the time a day has, of course. Unless you got clearance from Einstein.
Overtime payment is not accounted for as extras hours, but simply the rate for these hours is increased by some percentage. So you effectively still work that many hours, but get different payments. (if that's what you mean)
 
@Olaf It's a legal thing based on employment law. What happens varies significantly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. For what you describe, it's a contractor relationship, which doesn't come under the same laws in most jurisdictions.
 
4:22 PM
@Olaf @Makyen @Compass CASE AND POINT: 88 is evenly divisible by 11. I think we're done with that.
 
@BradleyWilliamElko what? a cat being able to not sleep for 11 hours ? pfft
 
@Makyen My second comment was about normal employees. And yes, there is some max. working time and min rest time here for employees. This does not apply to freelancers, but obviously a customer (and the tax authority) will very much question me billing 24 hours of work without rest. (from my experience after ca. 60 hours programming, you are simply not productive in any way)
 
@kayess More like a dog not able to sleep for a cat that is not able to sleep for a mouse
 
@Olaf Yes. I meant that for X hours you get paid for X hours, but some of those are at increased hourly rates, if you've worked over whatever number of hours are considered the max for the base pay-rate (however that's defined).
 
@BradleyWilliamElko makes sense ... wait
 
4:24 PM
@BradleyWilliamElko Who cares? As long it is not 42, it does not answer anything!
afk (not to retract from this gaga discussion ;-)
 
@Olaf Although 42 is the answer to life, 42.0 is a tenth of an answer for people who smoke weed
 
@BradleyWilliamElko Which answers quite a lot now.
 
@Olaf I agree that after about that amount of time continuous, productivity is... poor :-). However, I was trying to specifically indicate that for those 88 work-hours, it's possible that there were significant periods (a few hours each) where the worker could have been not working (resting/asleep) and the hours would have still accrued into the same day. It largely depends on the employment law in the jurisdiction in which this occurs.
 
I have a question about this q. The OP used reserve instead of resize, and was accessing elements that were out-of-bounds and thus his question why iterating over the vector "doesn't work" (the vector is empty, there is nothing to iterate over). Does this count as a typo or not (for closing)? More importantly, should I have answered it?
 
4:34 PM
Does anyone play chess?
 
I know how to
 
is there a problem with that website or is there just no CSS
 
idk, it works for me on chrome
 
same for me
 
5:37 PM
over 2k helpful flags now \o/
really skyrocketed since I started flagging chatty comments
 
woo
70 more for me
 
and I've got 45 more chatty flags still pending
 
honestly to me comments are a bit of a mess anyways so I don't flag them as "chatty" that often
 
I mostly just flag the old "+1 works for me" comments
there are tons from the pre-2013 still languishing under answers
 
and that guy just self answered in a comment what
 
6:03 PM
gnat has his own tag?
4
 
Hmmm... I should get me a tag too :)
 
6:34 PM
meh
 
I'm looking for a word, can someone help owo
pretty sure it begins with re___
Unable to re_____ your reality and my reality
may be reco___?
RECONCILE
 
@Makyen I got it after your previous explanation and yes, I know that e.g. late shift (e.g. 22:00-6:00) counts for a single day often. In that sense, you indeed could start at 0:00h on the first day and continue until e.g. 7:00h the next day and still counting as a single day. So yeah, legally you would work more than 24 hours/day. But as we all know legally has nothing to do with reality;-) As an engineer I prefer the latter and leave fiction to books, games, films etc.
 
@Olaf :-)
 
6:50 PM
Is that the new variant of "I'm driving with dad's Porsche first time on the highway and dunno how to stop?"
 
7:05 PM
@genpfault Or asking for tutorial. Roll dice.
 
I am unable to reconcile your expectation of reality with my interpretation of reality.
Please insert another quarter.
 
@Compass There is no such tink like "reality". And you don't really exist, but are just a result of my imagination, i.e. another aspect of me. So have some fried noodles and be quiet.
 
Now I know why so many people wear a shiny hat here :-), what wonders ...
 
7:28 PM
@user0042 No, that's your reality. In mine we all wear hard hats to protect from complaints about close/down votes.
 
7:50 PM
ninjad by a cat... darn
 
@PetterFriberg Didn't you have one around you recently? That's daily business with them :-P, no?
 
Yeah I got cat.... but the dog tends to ninja it when it comes to food...
 
8:39 PM
I'm doing that rarely, so please look closely here for everything: That question is not really opinion based, but there are idiomatic ways to handle containers and arrays in modern c++. (I'd like to add up some more direct and concise points as an answer there)
 
Can someone help me delete some of the closed, unanswered questions?
 
@user0042 did you forget a link?
 
@user0042 looks like it is POB to me.
any question about 'which way is better' is POB
However it seems that it could be rephrased in such a way to not be POB
if it focused on problems with that implementation
though you'd have to be careful not to be too broad
 
@TylerH As mentioned I'd like to mention some idiomatic ways @Slava left out. That's not really POB, but there are highly recommended best practices how to use the language. (I'm aware about your skills with ole car batteries, but not really regarding c++ yet)
 
8:46 PM
@user0042 Skill has nothing to do with it, and 'highly recommended best practices' are, by definition, opinions
 
@TylerH "not to be too broad" some more direct and concise points
 
The answers contain enough objective (non-opinionated) facts to prefer one over the other. I'd say it's not primarily opinion based (at least not in my opinion).
 
@JarrodRoberson that question seems answerable
 
@ErikvonAsmuth that's not a particularly strong closure to your argument ;-)
 
@TylerH That sounds like what the NRA's claiming :-(
 
8:49 PM
@user0042 I don't see the relation
the National Rifle Association?
 
@TylerH Yup!
 
@TylerH If we look at the POB message: Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than on facts, references, or specific expertise.. As the answers to this question are not almost entirely based on opinions, but are mostly based upon facts, I'd say it's not a good close reason
 
holy cow your hat his huge
 
@Compass "holy cow ..." That reminds me I should order burgerz before it's too late. (I'm looking like a cheap bunny with my bow tie BTW)
@ErikvonAsmuth @Tyler I believe it supports some more aspects as I've been mentioning in my linked question there (in comments). It's not actually opinion based, but there are clear guidelines and rules how to manage that properly and portably with code. Though such syntax is achievable with the language, that's way off it's idiomatic usage.
 
@user0042 Like I said, I think it is salvageable though not in its original state. I've gone ahead and revised it to no longer be a pure opinion question. cc @ErikvonAsmuth
@user0042 I still don't see the relation between a list of things strousoup said and your statement. I'm certainly not going to go digging through a whole page of text to find something
 
9:02 PM
@TylerH Good edit, yes.
@TylerH shotgun, shoot your leg, ...
 
@user0042 still not seeing the connection
 
@TylerH The NRA states: all these things are harmless ...
 
How does me saying "skill has nothing to do with it and best practices are opinions" relate to bjarne strosoup talking about shotguns or the NRA lying about guns being killing devices?
 
@TylerH I hope you're skilled with arms, when you try to use them ;-)
@TylerH I've got a broad ocean of a mind, yes. No offense ...
 
Are you trying to say I'm somehow hampering myself (e.g. the colloquialism of 'shooting myself in the foot') by passing judgment on a C++ question while I don't know C++? If so, your analogy is god awful and you're also wrong; I don't need to know C++ to know when OP is asking an opinion-based question :-)
 
9:08 PM
@TylerH Some people (even in the realm) have different opinions frequently, that's probably why I'm bothering that much :-D :-D :-D
 
In other news, I don't like the new darker red color of the notification icon
 
9:25 PM
@user0042 @user0042: I aree this one is not really opinionated. Neverthless I'm not sure it is too broad as asked. There might be a dupe, though.
 
@Olaf I'm not so sure about a good dupe or canonical. My mentioned question might be a good starting point. Though the original question asks about how to manage iteration in an idiomatic way (the most abstract point I can see there).
@Masoud s/[tag:cv=pls]/[tag:cv-pls] pls
 
@user0042 typo, long week and it doesn't seem to have an end
 
@Masoud TGIF (soon here at least)
 
@Masoud If interested, there's a handy user-script, which posts cv-pls requests for you from question pages, when you tell it to. It will format the cv-pls request and, by default, include the reason which you indicated when you voted to close. If you can't use user-scripts, there's a bookmarklet.
 
@Makyen I know, we had this conversation 6 months before or so. But I cannot get that on company's machine and still working.
@user0042 True. Just one more day (my last day before christmas vacation actually)
 
9:41 PM
@Masoud OK. I must have missed putting you on the list of people I've mentioned it to. Sorry about that. I try to only mention it once to any particular person. It's unfortunately that you're unable to use even the bookmarklet.
 
@user0042 Such teacher just make me upset. It's the same as those "intelligent design" j[d+1]rk[t-1]. "Don't argue with fact, I have my opinion"
 
@Masoud We've got vacation ban over X-Mas and New Year. Legacies, taxes, laws ...
@Olaf creational design? What christian fundamentalists claim?
 
@user0042 Sorry, I edited. Yeah, that's what I meant.
 
Hi all! o/
 
Did you know there is an incerasing number of them here, too?
I sometimes wonder if stupidity is infective. Maybe a virus?
 
9:45 PM
@BaummitAugen A "Baum"! See what wonder creational design and divine wisdom gives us!
@Baum (lazy) Whassup?
 
@BaummitAugen Hi, megalomanical bush.
 
o/
 
@user0042 (Lazy) Writing unittests. XD
o/ You two.
 
@user0042 Bah, I don't believe in it unless it burns.
@BaummitAugen Another word for "mostly wasting time".
 
@Olaf That's just legacy belief and folklore :-P
 
9:48 PM
@BaummitAugen u2?
 
@Olaf Heheh, yeah, I won't overdo it. :)
I'll have to rewrite it sooner or later anyways, and then no one is gonna use my POC implementation. Just need that for my thesis.
 
@BaummitAugen That's a really good idea. I was quite productive doing that today. I discovered loads of bad stuff which needed a fix.
 
I wonder if that was before they starting "saving" taxes. After all, it was before Bono became "enlighted" and their music went down the loo.
 
@Olaf Nope. :/
 
@BaummitAugen The _pareto principle (80/20) will serve you well ...
 
9:51 PM
@BaummitAugen To be clear: it is a playlist; that song being first i just by chance. How about that: youtube.com/…
@user0042 Is that something about Pasta and Pesto? (80% Pasta + 20% Pesto) Might fit.
 
@user0042 It needs more tests than it has now for sure, that's why I'm putting time into it. XD
@Olaf The Doors are probably the closest to that sort of music I'd care for, and even that has gotten quite rare. XD
 
@Olaf Sure you'll need 20% pesto to cover about 80% of the spaghetti mess. The leftover 20% are buried in your OP systems specific behaviors, plain dumbness and cosmic rays.
@BaummitAugen The essentials with unit testing is to have appropriate mocks.
I've done a lecture for my colleagues about that topic last week.
 
@BaummitAugen I know what you mean. This is youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4
Actually I don't think there is less good music today. There is just much more noise by all this rubbish. But then, I don't follow recent music much anymore.
@user0042 "spaghetti mess" Blasphemy! His pastaness wants to have a talk with you.
@user0042 Oh, no, please not that one again ;-P
Don't we spam-flag github "answers" in general, or is that one fine to flag?
 
@user0042 Fortunately, the code in question is not huge and entirely under my control, so writing decent tests is not ultra hard.
Though admittedly I probably have quite a bit to learn when it come to testing. XD
@Olaf Yeah, they've got quite a few good ones. :)
 
@BaummitAugen The most important thing to learn is: ther is no single "all be happy" testing strategy. And - from my experience - UnitTests are mostly wast of time. problem is Project managers and other folks without deeper programming knowledge just love them (and they are part of many company guides). They are more like a religion.
 
10:04 PM
Pink Floyd some nice stuff, too. youtube.com/watch?v=tMpGdG27K9o
 
@BaummitAugen FWIW: I'm honestly (and positively) surprised you know The Doors and like also them. There is still hope for the younger generation ;-)
 
@Olaf In general, it would be NAA. It could be spam if it becomes clear that their intent is promotion, not answering. This is generally indicated by having more than 1 or 2 posts with the same info; promotional contents (in post, or link destination); linking to their own project, without disclosing that it's theirs (although, I usually just leave a comment with Meta/help center links for the first occurrence); etc.
 
@BaummitAugen Oha, you just triggered the wrong person. Some time ago, I lead a full discussion with Pink Floyd soung titles only. IIRC it was in the ministry with the usual suspects
 
@Olaf Hm, there's probably some useful middle ground here. My code has stuff that can be tested by unittests, and it's definitely non-trivial enough to warrant some tests. So that sounds like a good usecase.
 
@Makyen So link-only answers ae (if not spam) NAA? Sounds reasonable.
 
10:09 PM
Ok, I probably couldn't keep up there tbh. =D
After all, that's still "new music" by my book. ;)
 
@BaummitAugen You know how to digest your @Olaf ;-) Thumbs up!
 
Sh**. I left The Doors running on YT and now I'm depressed for not having smokestuff. Maybe I'll test the Port.
 
@Olaf "for not having smokestuff" I could probably help if you like ;-) ...
 
@Olaf VLQ vs. NAA doesn't matter, save for the edit mechanic. I personally would like to save the nukes for "Make $$$ fast", rather than dropping them on good faith "I made this open source lib for this".
 
@Olaf Yes, link-only is NAA. See: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer? Note that link-only really means that it's only a link. The basic test is: take the link out, does it still appear to attempt to answer. If so, then it's not link-only.
 
10:12 PM
@user0042 Too far away. Hell, that organ solo on "Rider on the Storm" is really mesmerising.
@BaummitAugen That's why I asked. I voted as NA; let's see what happens. I think I can stand a declined flag currently.
@BaummitAugen I'm more like that one. And now I really need the Port.
 
@Olaf Good stuff indeed.
 
I put a bunch of link only answers in the VLQ queue if anyone is available to work the queue
 
That intro really gives me goosebumps.
 
Gotta finish Eugene first. I hate jumping out of songs.
 
@Olaf One of my favs too ...
 
10:17 PM
@user0042 I actually wanted to spare the depri for Christmas.
 
@Olaf I've changed the depri in favor of working. Sounds promising actually ;-) ...
@Olaf When the guitar strings start echoing, that's exceptionally great yes!
 
last for me bed time cya all ;)
 
@PetterFriberg o/
 
Bye @PetterFriberg o/
 
@user0042 It was one of my first PF CDs actually. When I bought it I knew onyl 1 or two songs of them (one being "The Wall" main song from the charts).
@PetterFriberg Sleep well!
 
10:24 PM
@Olaf One of my 1st vinyls I bought was "Dark Side of the Moon" (at age of 12 or so), followed by "Wish you were here" (pun Dude, pun)
 
@user0042 I started with the 60/70ies music with CDs already. Before that I had (and still have) mostly LPs and EPs from the 80ies. Most of them are not so well known bands.
I took a long detour to eventually like this music.
 
@Olaf I was used to have fun doing scratching with my sis's precious vinyls :-D ...
 
@user0042 I really like YT. Just found something "new" old: youtube.com/watch?v=PfAWReBmxEs Heck, that was another band I always wanted to learn about, but never did.
And yeah, the Port is good, too.
 
@Olaf Ahhh, Deep Purple followed a bit of later at school parties and such ...
Headbanging with the inner circle :-D
 
@user0042 Honestly: I (of course) know "Smoke on the Water", but can't remember having heared any other of their songs (or at least never associated a song with them). But that one is 1000 times better than the Smoke. Hell
 
10:33 PM
@Olaf They got way better stuff than Smoke on the Water of course. It was just an easy to play riff for all of us guitar beginners :-D
 
@user0042 Yeah, I heard it often enough in 2 ½ Men last days.
@EJoshuaS Real engineers/programmers don't read ;-)
 
@Olaf Jake, yeah! :-D :-D
 
11:19 PM
@JarrodRoberson How is this question a request for off-site resource? I'm not saying it's a good question, I just don't see how that reason applies.
 
Still a bunch of stuff in the VLQ queue if people have votes left in there (mostly to clear out a bunch of link-only answers
 

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