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1:36 AM
Would it be fine for me to write a self-answering question optimized for SEO? I see a certain type of question multiple times a day, and a good solid question and answer that covers a wide range of examples would at least give me something to link them as duplicate of
Because I'm sick of people asking this same question over and over again
 
@JacobGray what do you have in mind? Is there really no other question that would suit?
 
user3956566
1:53 AM
@rene I'm not sure, that's why I posted the request.
 
@KirkWoll the specific problem is vertical-align in CSS, I see multiple of these questions every day. The problem is that people usually ask a question like, "Why aren't my divs aligning?" or something of that sort. I'd just like to write an question that people are able to read and know that it is the same case as theirs, then write a complete answer that explains what's happening, why it's happening, and how to fix it
 
Rob
2:32 AM
^ seems valid
Though I think the best change would be to remove the prompt character entirely
 
Rob
2:51 AM
What is bojiter anyway?
Search/translate yields nothing
 
3:05 AM
@JAL You need a hammer for swift/ios to hammer all the dupes :P
 
 
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Rob
4:15 AM
So apparently this exists for 10k users. But I have no idea where it's linked from. How many other pages have I missed?
So.. it looks like it was meant to be removed but never was.
 
JAL
4:38 AM
@Rizier123 Working on it, at this rate it will take another year -_-
I need some good Swift 3 canonicals! :P
 
@JAL Just watched the wwdc podcast and one of them had like a really "cracky" voice :P
 
JAL
ha, which one? This year's keynote was a little rough, they had some technical difficulties
@Rob shhh you're going to ruin it for everyone!
 
@JAL I think he had blond hair or so. Yeah I feel like apple can just make good presentations, but this year they weakened a bit.
 
JAL
The big difference this year was that there was no hardware, only software
I'm surprised how much they talked about the APIs during the keynote, they usually leave that for the Platform State of the Union
I'm still picking my panels for tomorrow, it will probably be mostly Swift stuff
 
Yes, they talk a lot more about dev stuff than they did in the past years.
But I have to say what I hate a bit is all that stuff with "everyone can code". Because they make so big "abstractions" that I think like it is not even like real coding. And if most of them would write "real" code they would probably write awful code.
 
JAL
4:49 AM
I agree. I like how they're pushing code with kids but the market is currently oversaturated with mediocre devs
but that's life
@Rizier123 I thought scrolling was broken on my touchpad but I realized I was scrolling the summary part of your profile -_-
why do you have all of those newlines anyways?
 
@JAL It will maybe be very useful to some few of them by giving them this information/access to code as early as possible and they can get good coders, but most of the will probably never understand "real" code, because of all the abstraction. And if they write real code it will probably be really awful.
 
JAL
Trust me, I see that every day when my devs who know Objective-C try to write Swift. It's painful to watch. Part of learning a new language isn't just getting the hang of the syntax, it's understanding the patterns and best practices of the language too
 
@JAL Not everything is good all the times, so instead of just deleting it I put the newlines in, so I don't see it all the time.
 
JAL
ha
 
@JAL Yes. I have saw people working with frameworks (WordPress for example) and then they get a PHP syntax error. And if you then tell them it is NOT a WordPress error they don't even know what that is. And then you tell them that WordPress is just a framework written in PHP you blow their minds and destroy their lovely world:P
 
JAL
4:55 AM
lol
You have a php gold badge, you've seen some sh*t
 
@JAL I've also saw people getting more errors than they had code lines :P (Was C code)
 
JAL
painful
lol
 
@JAL Also already speaking of the WWDC and apple. What really caught me and I want to try doing it myself: imgur.com/XbFsasv
 
JAL
Swift 2 introduced the ability to throw errors. These aren't exceptions, they don't crash your app, they're just another way of handling errors. When a colleague of mine said that he started throwing exceptions I was so pissed since it showed a clear lack of understanding of the concept
@Rizier123 that would be cool! Where did you find that?
 
@QPaysTaxes Those are then the people who copy&paste their code together as an employed developer and get payed for it.
 
JAL
4:59 AM
I wouldn't even know where to begin to replace those bulbs
Did you guys hear about that thing with the Nissan iphone app and code copied from stack overflow
 
@JAL Just stumbled across it. Now I've seen examples, where people just put colored foil on top of the keyboard lights, but I don't know if there are rgb macbook pro backlights somewhere. I mean they would have to be really thin and exactly made for a macbook pro.
 
JAL
I'm not sure, the flow looks like this:

func someFunc() throws {
if someErrorCondition {
throw NSError()
}
}
i can't do error formatting in multi-line messages
...
 
@JAL Doesn't even impress me anymore. I have seen so many "developers" who are in reality just "copy&paster's".
 
JAL
^ nice
@QPaysTaxes not, really. sometimes in async calls you would normally pass an object an an error, where here you can just throw an error and catch it:
do {
    try someFunc()
} catch {
    print(error)
}
nice ty
yeah you can "catch" different kinds of errors, or the error is automatically populated if you don't specific it
haha I should
I just suck at formatting
propogated
or defined
i guess
but to make things more complicated there is an NSException object which is used with crashes, like going out of bounds in an array, etc
well the compiler will complain if you don't catch it.
 
@JAL Now if I don't find some rbg lights for this imgur.com/XbFsasv which I really hope I do, I would probably still do it just with some colored foil :P
 
JAL
5:06 AM
haha
you can use try? to just ignore the error or try! if you know the error will never occur
it's a cool language
 
obCurmudgeon check the spelling of "prop-a-gated"
 
JAL
@Rizier123 that's cool. I'm not brave enough to try it myself
 
@JAL fingers.crossed();
2
 
JAL
@QPaysTaxes If you don't have a mac you can write some small toy scripts in the IBM Swift Sandbox in your browser
ha
 
@JAL When apple still used Objective-C and I took a look at the XCode IDE I was so overwhelmed by the entire IDE and how many things you see which you don't know what they do.
 
JAL
5:09 AM
Apple still uses Objective-C for most of its frameworks and modules
and yes, I'm still overwhelmed by Xcode
or at least its crash rate -_-
I sent an engineer to Cupertino two weeks ago to work on integrating with one, their TV-sign-in framework pass kit thing
the TV Provider Sign in component and the new Messages extension are written in Objective-C for sure
 
@JAL (Adding to that "everyone can code" thingy: What I also really hate, besides those games where you don't even see anymore how real code works, is when people start in very high level languages and don't even get a connection to C or assembly. So they never see how it really works. They will write their fancy code and have no idea what is going on. Almost like people who don't code, who also don't know what is going on.)
 
JAL
@Rizier123 It was hard going from Java to C in college and then back to high-level languages
I still don't feel like I really "know" C, but I guess I never will
there's so much to learn
@QPaysTaxes thanks
 
Yeah, I also don't know much about C anymore, but I think like C is still a pretty good start in programming. Not too low-level(very complicated) and not too high-level(too much abstraction).
 
JAL
5:27 AM
lots of spam today
 
@JAL Do you have any published IOS apps, which we can check out and find bugs? :P
 
JAL
@Rizier123 No currently published personal apps, but I wrote a bunch for my past jobs. The most famous ones would probably be the Tomorrowland movie companion app for Disney, Abercrombie & Fitch/Hollister, and the A+E Networks suite of apps (A&E, HISTORY, Lifetime, FYI)
A+E is my current job
 
T J
@tripleee flagged as rude
 
I hope you put enough perfume into the Abercrombie & Fitch app :D
 
JAL
LOL
we used to joke about a cologne sprayer addon for v2
Funny enough I worked on the music player in that app mostly. I feel like the two things Abercrombie is most know for are the loud music and that stupid cologne
 
5:40 AM
yup. I was only once in a shop from them and that's the only thing I remember.
Oh, and bad lighting. Everything is so dark there.
 
JAL
they used to spray the stuff in the offices too. fortunately they stopped or else I wouldn't be able to breath
that was a really fun job. I was the only engineer in my office in NYC, everyone else was either in Columbus or Philly
 
@JAL typo and all ... but if it's copied from the official home page, is that acceptable?
 
T J
@tripleee BTW I'm not voting to close as unclear because 1) You can't answer a question and say the question is unclear at the same time 2) I don't know bash
 
TylerH has started reviewing!
 
JAL
@tripleee yeah I think copied content from anywhere should not be accepted
 
5:43 AM
@JAL My next one in the queue: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/12679500 Oh, I don't know if I should accept that :P
 
JAL
:)
 
@TJ I know, it just didn't feel meaningful to explain everything in comments -- should I delete the answer?
I guess I can't know because it got upvotes
 
T J
@tripleee I don't know. If there are tooo many silly mistakes due to the lack of basic understanding I'd choose too broad instead
I saw this discussion on meta meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326031/2333214. The question referred to was closed as unclear and then deleted very quickly. The answer being discussed and most voted answer in meta shows that the question was very clear.
 
T J
@JAL Yea?
I have a bad feeling about this. I don't know android but if The question "How can I from app A on device X access the database of app B on device Y" has a definitive answer, and hint, it isn't "You can't". is true, then the actions taken here - closing a new user's question as unclear and quickly deleting it was not ideal. If the above statement holds true, then the question was definitely very clear, though it might have been too broad. What kind of picture does this give to a new user? That we quickly delete questions which we can't easily answer without giving proper reasons? — T J 24 mins ago
 
5:59 AM
@JAL Is that Intel 8080 manual worth to read?
 
JAL
@Rizier123 It's dry. I mostly use it as a reference
 
@QPaysTaxes For an administration feed of 2rep: imgur.com/TNO5KsG
 
JAL
lol
 
Good morning
 
waffles, not a big mac.
@Magisch morning
So it is made out of you? Because you have a unicorn profile picture.
 
6:10 AM
Why First posts reviewers whyyyy
 
JAL
the first post review queue was the bane of my existence. got review banned so many times because of it
 
hello guys
 
JAL
o/
 
So?
@SpringLearner What are we supposed to do with that?
 
6:11 AM
and this is the answer posted after 13 minutes stackoverflow.com/a/37804127/2664200
 
@JAL siri is a tag :O Can you ask siri to post a question on SO?
 
If you look both the answers the information is same but the wording is different. I feel its a copied answer. whats your views?
 
JAL
@Rizier123 We might see that in a future release!
You might be able to ask Siri to answer a question for you but she'll just ask you to add a bounty first :P
 
@SpringLearner Its not uncommon for easy questions to get 4-5 in effect nearly identical answers without any of them copying each other directly.
 
@QPaysTaxes all will look oracle docs but my point is if the information is same then why posting again
 
6:13 AM
@JAL Can I pay the bounty with apply pay?
 
JAL
ha
the apple pay browser stuff is really cool
 
It happened before that I answered something and not 20s later someone else had a slightly differently formatted answer with the same basic contents. It happens.
 
dont you guys close the duplicated answers?
 
Often people will start answering a Q, then get called away or interrupted, and then finish without looking at the answers that happened in the mean time
Its not like its a direct duplicate in any appreciable way.
 
what do you mean by direct duplicated? do you meany information + wording?
@QPaysTaxes let me read again
yeh
agreed
 
JAL
6:17 AM
yeah it's late, almost midnight in SF but still on NY time
I have a breakfast at 7 AM tomorrow...
I'm just waiting for this user to ask a new question so I can carry the rep home
hehehe
ha, good guess. It's actually my initials
 
JAL
I'd just flag that as NAA. If the user keeps posting, then it might be worth a mod flag
ok, I think it's bed time for me
good night all!
o/
 
6:53 AM
@Yam should that've been reopened?
 
T J
How do you think the OP of this meta post meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326060/2333214 came across the voting message?
But then he would be posting in on meta stack exchange right?
because he didn't face it in SO
 
morning
 
T J
mornings \o
 
: ) 09.07
 
T J
@QPaysTaxes "here" refers to the place where there are rainbows and unicorns?
 
7:07 AM
mornin :P
 
Spam on way
Quickie
 
Good morning guys \o
 
T J
@QPaysTaxes Yea, life of a unicorn must be hard. I hear you.
lol
 
@SmokeDetector spam. Very much so. For Viagra
 
@SmokeDetector sd k (transalte viagra)
 
7:13 AM
look at the the edit view of that answer....
Full of spam links
 
meh clicked vlq
 
That last one was really obvious link spam
 
G'Night
 
Plop @kyll
 
Plop!
 
T J
7:17 AM
seems like spherrels wake up when unicorns go to sleep
 
throws @Kyll at @Ferry
 
rolls a critical, manages to escape Mag's grip
 
throws @Closey at @Magisch
 
You can't throw Closey, tuna will kill you
 
a fish?
 
T J
7:20 AM
I don't see any Closely here?
 
Kyll is like a sugar glider
 
Except the white powder is not sugar but Cerbrus' stuff
 
T J
If you're going to throw something @Kyll I guggest you throw the pink elephant since he is quick
 
T J
he can't quickly dodge the size of an elephant ;)
 
7:22 AM
throws @Kyll at @Mad
Hi Madara :D
 
hola Madara \o
 
I shifted to greeting people by throwing kyll at them
 
hola @Mag @Kyl @Ferry @Pet
 
7:23 AM
\~Plop~/ Madara and @kayess
 
@MadaraUchiha :D
Plop Madara, kayess, Petter
 
now that our greeting ritual is over I'm gonna go and start up Visual Studio
 
@Magisch You do realize how much in danger I am right now. Throwing stuff at Madara is a good way to have said stuff set on black unholy fire or shifted into another freaking dimension.
 
Nobody means harm to a small furry @Kyll
 
@Magisch - Now I understand why Kyll's FB account has a pic of a person who is covered in bandages and has a kevlar helmet
 
7:24 AM
What about an immortal crazed moon ninja?
Plop TLM!
 
TLM \o
 
Ploppity Plop @kayess , @Kyll, @PetterFriberg , @Adriaan @Magisch
3
 
plop TLM
 
heya @Adr o/
 
7:25 AM
@kayess \o
 
\o tlm
 
runs away before Magisch decides to throw Kyll..
 
runs after TLM
sd del - Any diamond to nuke that user? =p
 
Grabs a portkey and vanishes into thin air
 
falls off a cliff
 
7:28 AM
calls a medic for Kyll
 
@Kyll - Done.
 
T J
@Ferrybig he can glide in the air
 
@TheLostMind Yay
 
throws @Kyll on @TheLostMind
 
finally manages to climb up the freaking cliff, gets thrown in the water by Praveen
 
7:36 AM
^ Reason, you didn't OlO me. :D
 
Plop Praveen x)
 
Nor @Kyll didn't Plop.
:D
@Kyll bubbles
guluk buluk gulum guchuk puchuk
 
Catches Kyll, attaches a "Plop" note to his back and rethrows him at @PraveenKumar
2
 
I'm not a post-iiiiiiiiiiiit
 
We can all play volley ball with @Kyll
 
7:38 AM
Ha ha ha...
 
@Kyll - I've been writing a lot of exception handling code these days :P
 
plays @Kyll ball by throwing him on @Magisch, gets kicked by and @TheLostMind catches it
 
Catches Kyll, grabs a Portkey and vanishes. Kyll later thanks TLM for saving his life :P
2
 
throw new(plop.lang.thrownKyllException);
2
 
Wakes up in dark castle
 
7:41 AM
@Magisch that's just wrong, if you want to indicate something that happened in past you must publish an event...
 
An error happened in UserTracking (cc @Sam)
0: The request timed out
----
at SOCVRDotNet.UserDataFetcher.GetLastestCVReviewIDs (System.String fkey, Int32 userID, Int32 reviewCount, System.Action throttler) <0x4210c8d0 + 0x005bf> in <filename unknown>:0
at SOCVRDotNet.User.ScrapeData () <0x420f4e60 + 0x00253> in <filename unknown>:0
 
Something happened cc @Sam
 
7:58 AM
Can we all ping Sam? :P
 
Waffle
 
Ask yourself if you'd do it with rene, or Brad Larson, or even Shog, and act accordingly =)
 
Yeah then surely something disastrous might gonna happen..
 
@Kyll Ha ha ha... I didn't ping! I just said his name! Ha ha ha... evil laugh
Now @kayess will be thrown like a volley ball by Sam.
 
@PraveenKumar why?
 
8:07 AM
@kayess Just for fun seriousness... :D
 
ah ok
 
Fun not allowed. :P
 
(TM)
 
Ahh but Kay is not as throwable as Kyll
Kyll fits nicely in a palm to throw
 
lol
 
8:18 AM
Plop tripleee
:31134842 ninja
 
I got @Kyll sniped
 
8:39 AM
@JAL oh gosh - there will be a flood about these things :/
 
@MacroMan if you think this went out-of-hand let me ping you when we hit real havoc in this room ;) We're just a bunch of opinion based regulars, happy to share what we think, no matter if we're asked to participate in the discussion or not. That is our fun, don't get hung up on it. Just feel free to bring things up here. Cheers!
 
@rene Are you going to ping him only once, or each time? In the latter case that's going to be a lot of pings.
 
Yeah, right, sorry for that ... and thanks for noticing ...
 
hey rene
 
@rene i.imgur.com/EcmBZoZ.gif <- @rene when he's mad
3
 
8:49 AM
That one-magisch box
 
@Magisch It's me! Your best friend!
 
So many [redacted] references these days
@MadaraUchiha Flowey the flower!
 
@MadaraUchiha Frisk!
 
@Magisch Spoilers
 
Cows?
 
8:55 AM
I love how everytime you mention Undertale @Madara just comes out of the woodwoork
like some sort of summoning spell
 
@Magisch I lurk everywhere.
 
you know
I wasn't even gonna vote for you originally
 
Oh hey lookie that, a Popular Question badge
 
I recall making a sad face and change your mind
 
8:57 AM
But then I saw you lurking in chat alot
yes
I'm a simple smiley
 
I don't think I ever talked to Madara until after he became a diamond
 

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