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12:18 AM
Where's the SEDE query for finding answers which are preventing the roomba from killing poorly received questions?
 
user4639281
12:36 AM
Durron posted it, I starred it So it's somewhere on the starboard history.
 
user4639281
@durron597 What ever happened to that, do you know?
 
user4639281
Is it done though? I guess I can test it on one of my own answers.
 
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A: Can we have [mcve] expand to http://stackoverflow.com/help/mcve in comments, please

balphaThis works now (only on Stack Overflow). The link text is "Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example" (which matches the title of http://stackoverflow.com/help/mcve).

Yes
 
user4639281
awesome.
 
user4639281
12:46 AM
So much time will be saved!
 
2:25 AM
Use that one, it's a lot better
If you notice when you replace <source-code> with %% it gets questions that are -10 and -9, the other one only -5 questions
is ever on topic here?
 
2:57 AM
@JonClements Before I go ahead and make the post, will you synonymize to ?
If your answer is "I don't know, make the meta post" I will, but you've declined me too many times and now I'm gunshy.
 
Need one more downvote to feed stackoverflow.com/questions/8383153/… to the roomba
 
@Mogsdad Done. Did you happen to see the ones I posted last night?
There were three right in a row
 
Nope... I was just taking a shot at the documentation version of the source-code query. Will do.
 
Hm they might already be done
Oh that was 5 hours ago? gosh I'm out of it.
 
Yep, they're dead, Jim.
 
3:06 AM
@Mogsdad Feel free to check out the link I sent to Kevin Brown half an hour ago
 
That's the one I started with. Then replaced source-code w/ documentation. Will loop back...
 
@Mogsdad Ah lol
You're like 3 steps ahead of me :)
I'm VTCing open questions that are tagged that contain the word "example"
There should be some in the queue by now
 
<key>downvotes-pls</key> Need 1 on q stackoverflow.com/questions/6759798/universal-cheatsheet
Ok... how to format those taggy things here?
 
[tag : foo] (no spaces)
 
Exxxxcellent. I've cleared my source-code close vote queue. I threw a dozen or so in there earlier as well
 
3:16 AM
New CVs only come in the queue every 15 minutes.
I'm sure several of mine aren't in yet
@Mogsdad Is SO very slow for you?
 
No, seems fine.
@durron597 Question of etiquette: As I'm going through the roomba query, should I add requests here for any that are getting close to zero? Or just leave them to die a natural death?
 
@Mogsdad Yeah I usually put mine here
 
Cool. So many already gone, many more almost there. Good initiative - these questions have bugged me for a long time.
 
is next.
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Q: Here is an ex-[sample] of a bad tag

durron597sample (782 questions) is almost entirely questions like this one: Python multithreading for dummies I'm trying to find a simple example that clearly shows a single task being divided for multi-threading. Quite frankly, many of the examples are overly sophisticated thus making the flo...

@rene @gunr2171 Okay I put at least 20 questions into the cv queue and it looks like Mogsdad put a few more on top of that. Please make sure to get this question as my CV expired on it.
 
@durron597 it's queued up now
 
3:26 AM
@Mogsdad I'm very tired, had a long day. Good night, and thanks!
Always glad to see more faces in this room.
 
4:08 AM
Goodnight all... I'm out of close votes!
 
 
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user4639281
5:34 AM
> I am using a SVG image over that image I need to have a div over the image to set a button area over the image. I have placed a div content in my html file but my image file hides the div content. How to make it? Sundar Nivash 30 mins ago
 
8:32 AM
@JonClements: Could you look at meta.stackoverflow.com/q/300104 and give him the links to his older deleted questions, he wants to try getting out of his hole...
@Mogsdad All but the last three are done.
@Mogsdad THis one also isn't done.
@durron597 Not yet done, needs two more close-votes.
 
 
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10:41 AM
Needs downvoting to 0 (by Mogsdad): a1 b1 c4 d3
Needs downvoting to -1: a2 b1 c1 d1 e1
Needs delete-votes: 1 plus these five
that finishes
 
11:18 AM
@Deduplicator I can't yet delete vote those 5...
 
well, tomorrow then.
 
yep
 
11:35 AM
@Deduplicator No DVs yet... will be back later to check.
 
12:13 PM
deletion was not enough for some reason...
 
huh?
 
Is huh? for that post?
 
Err... just wondering what "deletion was not enough for some reason" was referring to :)
 
OP first defaced his post and then deleted it. Not sure if there were comments that made him do so...
 
Surprising it hung around for 3 hours
 
12:27 PM
he defaced it 17 minutes ago
before that it looked reasonable
 
Actually looked like a post that spent a lot of time to do - and was updated a couple of times... maybe they solved their problem and just decided to get rid of it
 
Maybe just a typo... I feel the pain ... ;)
 
12:43 PM
I once spent a day wondering why the hell the changes I made weren't working... then realised I'd pushed them to the wrong server :(
 
sd edit3- tpu2- ignore1-
user comments on spam
 
@SmokeDetector oh my god, did he really edit that little?
 
@gunr2171 I saw we closed it, I didn't fancy looking for what changed..
 
he change the title and added "How I can solve this error?" at the bottom
 
A high quality edit, that will get it re-opened
 
12:56 PM
#Sarcasm
 
Is it? Oh...
 
oh, edited the title again...
 
ignored in the tavern now
Smokey doesn't respond to edits of chat comments, that is why he didn't record my previous ignore command
 
Just out of curiosity - who does Smokey respond to?
 
people is MSE tavern
 
1:11 PM
@JonClements To users that are registered and post their commands in the Tavern on the Meta
 
so Undo's bot
 
and in the charcoal.se chatroom
 
Fair enough... was aware it took commands - just wasn't sure by whom :p
 
Basically almost all regulars in the Tavern
 
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Q: Synonymize [swift-closure] to [closures]

nhgrifNo one is going to ask a question about swift-closures without also needing to tag the question with the language tag swift. Importantly, there's nothing special about swift-closures versus, say, Objective-C, that someone writing a multi-language app might want to use swift-closureobjective-c....

One you might wanna look at?
 
1:26 PM
Undo said we can make a pull request to have him listen here if we want, but they're pretty good about responding to him when it's needed
The pull request I'm interested in is when they respond with "fp" to him, I want it to remove the message here
 
If you want him to listen here I can do that, I'm one of its devs and I know how the internals work.
 
11 hours ago, by durron597
@JonClements Before I go ahead and make the post, will you synonymize to ?
@ProgramFOX that would be cool, but again, I think tavern removals should affect this room too
IMO that's more important
 
I'm not sure if that's easily possible.
 
@ProgramFOX Is each bot it's own process?
 
@durron597 ahh sorry - didn't see that... but yeah....
11 hours ago, by durron597
If your answer is "I don't know, make the meta post" I will, but you've declined me too many times and now I'm gunshy.
 
1:30 PM
@durron597 No, but it takes storage of different IDs, and then we'll have to look how many IDs we should store and watch all messages here, etc.
 
@JonClements Figured. Thought I'd sanity check
 
^^^ don't be gunshy - unless it's obvious - input from the community is required
and then there's a history to look back on and a reason for either taking action or not... doesn't work if I (or any mod) just do stuff "behind the scenes" I'm afraid
 
@Jon: What do you say to deleting a migration-stub to kill a tag (meta-post)? Because unfortunately, tags held alive that way can be used... (I want to change that)
Not sure bothering a mod instead of waiting the month is right for that, but trying anyway ;-)
 
Gimme a minute - I'll have a read... it's got a flag on it saying "This can be tagged [status-complete]"
It'd have got roomba'd at some point but yeah - no need to keep it around
 
1:47 PM
thanks
 
so - is it status complete now?
 
2:15 PM
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Q: These tags need some [static-analysis]

durron597So we've got: code-analysis - 1220 questions the process of analyzing the code of the application to discover, review, validate or verify certain properties of the application. static-analysis - 1016 questions "Static Analysis" refers to the software tools (or their use) to analyze ap...

@ProgramFOX Has there been any discussion about having Smokey watch site metas?
 
@durron597 Not possible. We rely on /realtime and that doesn't include Meta sites.
Aside from Meta SE.
But why? On child-metas, you need 5 rep to post anyway, so no spam.
 
@ProgramFOX Profanity.
 
Ah, yup.
 
2:35 PM
nike...
With Parallel.Invoke you make your problems bigger, not smaller... — rene 9 secs ago
 
@durron597 .....what?
(is my reaction to that post)
 
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Q: Aligning [public-key] and [privatekey]

Jens EratThere's public-key, and privatekey, which are the opposite ends of the same concept. We should either consider merging both, as they're pretty much relevant together all the time, maybe even including public-key-encryption. In any case, we should align both to preferably public-key and private-...

 
@gunr2171 Someone upvoted it too, which boggles my mind.
 
> what I want to ask here is if the following example is a good example of favor composition over inheritance
 
@durron597 ^^^ see - I don't always turn everything down :)
 
2:43 PM
@JonClements hehe
@JonClements You see this yet
 
@KevinBrown yeah, what is that "following example"?
 
@durron597 it's open on the other screen... I'll get around to reading it in a bit :p
 
> The example:
 
yeah, it might be because I'm a c# guy and not java, but still a bit weird to me
 
Not that I disagree with it being closed, but I'm not sure "unclear" is the right reason
 
2:45 PM
POB or "why doesn't it work"?
 
@KevinBrown It's unclear what problem he's having
Stack Overflow isn't a "feel good about yourself" site
what are the answers going to be? "Yup! You figured it out! Good job sir"
Composition over inheritance is a solution to a problem
it's not a problem in and of itself
 
@durron597 yes please!
 
I've seen to many sir today...
 
what do you mean sir?
that should not be a blockquote
 
@gunr2171 It was approved by the author.
 
2:48 PM
i know
in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks), 30 secs ago, by Closey
[ EditMonitor ] Approved with 2 rejection votes: 1994749 | Approved by OP
 
Geez who is upvoting that question
it's +5/-2 now
 
thankfully with no reopen votes
 
+6/-2 seriously??
 
with no reopen votes, and no votes on the answer, this is really strange
 
It got another upvote. And the bottom line, his example is wrong
 
2:52 PM
I also think this question needs to be reopened - The op is asking for Confirmation - The question is clear! — Skynet 14 secs ago
and there's the first reopen vote
 
2 now apparently
interesting
 
I'm surprised at the number of votes on the question and only 1 vote on the answer.
now 3 reopen votes
my guess is a bunch of high-rep users are sticking around and casting reopen votes because they want to answer
 
@gunr2171 It's a great question for help vampires.
Stupid bike shed
 
that's what I figure
 
Maybe Jon Skeet will write an epic post....
 
3:05 PM
how long does it take for a delete-vote to age away?
 
@Deduplicator I don't think it does, ever
 
it's not 14 days like close votes? (oh wait, I'm thinking of something else)
 
@Deduplicator did you delete vote that bikeshed?
 
delete votes don't age
 
@durron597 could not, too many upvotes
 
3:06 PM
Oh of course
Well I hope everyone in this room except for Jon has downvoted it at least.
 
well, it seems you are now in an epic battle against nice cow
+8/-5
 
Well I have DV'd it... I just think it's a bad post - however, I can't stop the community re-opening it if they choose to
 
sure you can.... :D
 
grabs popcorn
 
well - technically I can... but not my job to make a unilateral decision in this case
 
3:10 PM
is that frustrating or liberating?
 
both - I'll be quite disappointed if that gets re-opened
 
@durron597, comments are almost turning into a shouting match
 
I'm done after that last comment. Though the good half of my soul thinks the comments should probably all be removed
 
@durron597 umm... that last comment was out of order
I've removed it
 
I was about to ask, lol
Sorry
 
3:14 PM
well - you don't want flags brought against you do you? While I appreciate the sentiment behind it... just step back, don't worry about it - no need to post that image :)
 
3:29 PM
@JonClements I dropped one more comment in there because gnat finally got back to me with the MSE reference post I was looking for
 
4:15 PM
it's a constructive comment :)
 
@durron597 Are they three different solutions? or three different guesses?
 
@KevinBrown It's a string parsing question, one uses string.replaceAll, one uses Pattern.matcher, one uses direct string manipulation with charAt
and string.replaceAll wins!
 
I'm going to say it's probably not too broad. It's not uncommon for there to be multiple ways to solve a problem
Now, if the answers are answering different problems then it might be too broad
 
I'm not really asking for CVs, it just made me think of the question.
 
 
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user4639281
5:36 PM
If you go through the related questions on that post, there are a lot of tool req questions
 
6:45 PM
@TinyGiant 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
 
user4639281
All done
 
@TinyGiant Me too. Wow I only have 9 CVs left and I haven't done any reviewing today.
 
@TinyGiant 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16
Alright, done with those for today
 
done
 
There are a lot of questions about diff tools, never realized it
 
user4639281
6:50 PM
Yeah, I was looking after I read something on meta about diff syntax highlighting
 
user4639281
Done, accidently vtced one as no mcve, but it was missing an mcve anyways.
 
@rene Putting my delete votes together now
 
user4639281
Lol, not sure why you would need an mcve for a diff tool recommendation, but whatever.
 
OK
 
@rene 1 2 I put the second delete vote down on a lot of questions returned by my search
I'll give you some fresh ones to put the first one on.
 
user4639281
6:54 PM
@KevinBrown VTC'ed too board
 
OK
 
@rene 3 4 5 6 7 8
How many have you got left after those 8?
@rene 9 10 11 12 13
 
I couldn't vote on 12 and 13 ...
 
@rene no worries
 
I had used some del votes earlier
 
@TinyGiant I'm sure i'm in there a few times
 
user4639281
I'm sure I have been too. I don't anymore, it just doesn't matter that much. Today I had an answer accepted from a long time ago that I didn't pester the OP to accept.
 
user4639281
SLaks has an auto-comment 'Then you should accept this answer by clicking the hollow check.'
 
@TinyGiant Today I answered a question and the guy accepted someone else's significantly inferior answer... then came back 4 hours later and accepted mine saying "his didn't do what I needed, but yours did"
 
victory in the long run
 
7:08 PM
@gunr2171 I was stunned I didn't get it the first time around. I was slightly slower on FGITW because my answer was just slightly more complicated.
 
user4639281
LOL, you thought it did the first time? facedesk.
 
Tiny, are you working on this?:
-7
Q: Can we please do something to reduce the "please accept this answer if it was useful" comments?

CoffeeI have seen it frequently enough, and I wanted to know what your opinion was. Are these comments noise, or a benign reminder? The system already tells new-users to accept answers. Perhaps sometimes people forget to accept answers, it's true. Thoughts?

 
user4639281
Yes
 
ok
 
So this is up to +91/-69
 
user4639281
7:12 PM
There are currently 3768 matching %accept this answer% which are posted by the user who posted the answer. I'm sure there are some false positives and plenty of false negatives, but it's one filter option. — Tiny Giant 56 secs ago
 
Answer downvote of -4 seems fair considering that Answer-upvote to Answer-downvote would be the same proportion as Question-upvote to Question-downvote. — Artjom B. yesterday
@ArtjomB. You should make an MSE post suggesting that.
 
@Closey starting
 
@gunr2171 May Shog9's Will be done.
 
I'll start with the starboard tags
 
@Closey starting
 
7:17 PM
@rene Good luck!
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[beautifier] [code-formatter] [source-code]"
@Closey next 3 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@gunr2171 The next 3 tags are: 106, 98, 95
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [source-code] [beautifier] [code-formatter]"
passed javascript audit
 
passed javascript audit
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [.net]"
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
 
7:30 PM
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 1 minute ago and lasted 13 minutes and 15 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 19 seconds.
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
 
7:34 PM
@gunr2171 Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 6 seconds ago and lasted 18 minutes and 4 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 27 seconds.
 
@KevinBrown boom, and the one above needs one more
 
*two
(I didn't vote)
cv-plz that
 
user4639281
7:50 PM
cv-ed that ^^
 
@SmokeDetector I'm out of CVs but I can downvote it
 
It needs to be 5p, I'm totally ready for that
@TinyGiant one is for making obvious duplicates, the other is for answering them
wait wait wait, Joe voted that the question was a duplicate of "Should there be a deterrent for answering obvious duplicate questions?", and then answered the question
 
8:06 PM
@gunr2171 Because he's advocating for his upvotes not being taken away. Gotta get all the meta rep he can, you know. — durron597 7 secs ago
 
yup
/facepalm at the youtube link
 
@Juxhin If you have a new question, you should ask a new question. See Exit strategies for “chameleon questions”. Edits should not invalidate existing answers. Also, be careful not to ask a yes/no question (e.g. Is this approach okay?) I'm sure your approach is fine. If you try it, and it's not fine, then feel free to ask a new question. — durron597 3 mins ago
 
8:25 PM
let me recycle IE11 to see if that explains the diskactivity... brb
hmmm, yes... not sure what I now learned...
 
@rene Use Chrome instead of IE11?
 
yeah, I'm switching...
 
 
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10:17 PM
@SmokeDetector "brain power"
 
11:15 PM
@KevinBrown boom
@Closey starting
 
@TylerH May Shog9's Will be done.
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[source-code] [code-formatter] [beautifier]"
Passed C# audit
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[.net]"
Passed PHP audit
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 30 minutes to continue reviewing.
 
@TylerH Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
11:30 PM
Got it done in the nick of time
 

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