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12:48 AM
Was nice catching up with you all. @rgchris, looking good with that beard. @HostileForksaysdonttrustSE also-- you look better and healthier than when I last saw you in Philly. And @GrahamChiu -- what a handsome avatar lol
 
@Edoc It's pure laziness. That said, seeing how far it'll get before I can't tolerate it any more
 
@Edoc Just being lazy. Means I can eat and drink without worrying
Don't have to worry about background lighting, and what a mess my room is either
 
For future reference, Google Meet does not work in Firefox
 
@rgchris We can try jitsi
that's less of a hassle doing screen recording
 
Whatever works best
 
1:01 AM
the trouble with jitsi is that you need a fairly modern PC if you also want to use an avatar
 
(I don't actually care if it works in Firefox, just happens that was what I was using)
 
@Edoc Just returning to my Automan default look. Reference for @rgchris: youtube.com/watch?v=wWyl4k4LRRg
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Your voice was muffled or something. Certainly not as clear as the other parties
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE we need him on our team
 
@GrahamChiu Already here.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE can we invite Walter?
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Automan has put on weight
 
@rgchris I'd like to grow a beard, but knowing myself it would turn into more maintenance than just shaving every day or two.
 
@GrahamChiu Right... so @GrahamChiu didn't want us to see his s & m dungeon. Got it.
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE What's your secret then @HostileForksaysdonttrustSE? No beard, no glasses. Are you in fact a markov chain personified?
 
@Edoc @realGrahamChiu was destroyed by a rocket stove fire accident many years ago, everyone knows that.
 
1:15 AM
well, I hope we managed to sort out any issues we have regarding the way ren-c is moving
it's easier sometimes to resolve these in real time
 
@Edoc Lack of success seems not to be contentious with the rule. :-)
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE That's awesome. The vibe that Kung Fury was going for!
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE He was a self-made man who owed his lack of success to nobody!
 
@Edoc Automan was much more an influence on me than Tron. Similar premise, Automan was a program made by a police officer in his spare time (Tron was a "security program")
 
@Edoc That was a realistic happy family background you had there. What did you use to generate that?
 
@GrahamChiu It's part of the simulation I'm living in.
 
1:21 AM
@Edoc I thought I noticed a glitch
 
If you could taste the egg-nog, you'd detect the glitch. Yechh
 
@Edoc Despite being the heaviest drinker most of you probably know, I actually do not care for alcohol in egg nog. I like it right from the jug. :-)
Good with a slice of rum cake, though.
 
Talking of endless programming. I wonder what they program the Chang'e in?
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE High proof pot-stilled navy rum in the egg nog. That's where it's att.
 
1:25 AM
It's managed to land on the moon, drill into its surface and take off meeting the orbiting craft which is now taking the rock samples back to earth
 
Because nothing says Happy Christmas quite like imperial navy rum of the British colonial era.
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Really? That's surprising
 
@Edoc (Just making a name reference to the moon. It's a moon probe.)
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Yes, I know what it is, I just find it a shock that Lua might be used in that context. Luna, sure, Lua not so much
 
I've installed Luna a couple times and it didn't "just work". Seems like a well-intentioned Haskell skin, you'd think someone would have done that and made a lot of money off of it.
 
the Apollo 11 code was in assembler and is on github
 
1:30 AM
@GrahamChiu Look at that photo of Margaret Hamilton next to the printed source code. I wonder which of them true geeks would want to dive into.
 
@GrahamChiu I listened to a podcast about time capsules, and how people were into them for a while and then not. It was about the more broad concept of "how to send messages to the future". And it cited the tsunami stones in Japan, that were oft relocated due to their inconvenience to build a parking lot or whatever (to lower elevations)
 
Wait, can I say that here or am I canceled?
 
@Edoc I'm going to think you're weird. She's likely over 100 years old now
 
@GrahamChiu Paging Hackerman youtube.com/watch?v=fQGbXmkSArs
 
1:37 AM
@Edoc People publishing source code causes all kinds of problems.
 
1:53 AM
Whoa, a fourth monolith was recently discovered. twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1334329330076409857?s=20
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I've never seen Automan. Welp, I know what I'm doing tonight!
 
@Edoc Heh, it was in that Airwolf, Street Hawk, Night Rider TV group. If I looked, I could probably dig up the "long list of reasons not to hire this guy to pilot your experimental government helicopter" list...
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Yes, I immediately picked up on Night Rider + a bit of TRON. I don't know the storyline yet, but I'm guessing some Magnum PI.
 
e.g. the backstory for the Airwolf protagonist was very checkered, to the point that you'd really wonder why the government would hire him.
 
2:49 AM
Trying to find Automan on a streaming service... gotta dig deep for this one
 
@Edoc It's a goofy old thing, I think SciFi channel reran it at some point
I think part of what I liked about it would be part of what story-oriented screenwriting people would say they hated about it. The cursor was sort of the "deus ex machina". You knew they had the cursor to solve any problem--to materialize or dematerialize whatever they needed.
Which reflects I suppose what some people would say is a child's demands of a story vs. an adult's demands.
I dunno. I think the comparisons to Tron are kind of superficial, it was really more of the "empowered technological artifact that grants mysterious power to a vigilante" group with Knight Rider and Street Hawk. Although Automan kind of filed itself under a rogue police operation with some perhaps more official ouvre.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE it’s fine. I’m not expecting anything more than some mindless fun.
 
@Edoc I feel like any modern enjoyment must be threaded with the interview to get what kind of tape they were using to pull it off, I'd be bored by the episodes alone.
You have to pull me in now with more detail.
Although film school kind of got me to the point of watching everything with different levels; I can watch for the "intended experience" or I can watch for anything else, edits, etc.
I actually got stuck in the situation of watching some Anaconda sequel, which was bad (I never saw the original for reference) and I wasn't watching the movie, just the edits, and I kind of thought "hm, I can imagine what they had for why they probably did that"
 
3:54 AM
I've uploaded the 2 hour recording of the Rebol Meeting
Perhaps next meet is next week and then a break for Xmas?
 
 
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4:57 AM
@GrahamChiu For which I shall sue you in Kangaroo court. Or Koala court.
 
 
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10:55 AM
@GrahamChiu Not that anyone or I would like to watch... what is the link?
Why is this the behaviour now?
>> print "hello"
hello
== ~void~

>>
it is so ugly.
(Or is it because I have a debug build?)
 
 
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4:25 PM
@iArnold I believe this is the current working notation for VOID! values that distinguishes why they're void:
>> [~void~ ~undefined~ ~unmentionable~]
== [~void~ ~undefined~ ~unmentionable~]
 
 
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6:46 PM
@rgchris The thing I dislike is that it has perfecty fine output and then extra stuff..
 
Oh, I see—because VOID! historically didn't trigger an '==' line...
 
 
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7:57 PM
@iArnold I feel is more didactic to know what is returned from the expression.
 
8:10 PM
I noticed a branched warning after an if statement. Can be very helpful when writing a script and trying out a chain on the commandline.
 
@iArnold Like Altme all conversations are private unless made public before the talking starts
So only the participants get the private link
It did expose sound quality issues, which may be the due to a number of issues. I'm going to get a dedicated microphone. And we will switch to jitsi to see if it's any better
I also used an avatar
1. Download the Mac/x64/WindowsArm software from https://www.loomielive.com/
2. Download the loomie app from your platform's app store
3. Create your 3D avatar. The camera superimposes your face on the avatar and can then be beautified.
4. From the phone app, create your Loomie login
5. Start the PC app, login to loomie and grab the avatar you created on your phone
6. Set the Loomie PC app to use a static avatar, or one that follows your mouth, head and eyes
7. Join the video chat and set your video source to the Loomie video device
 
8:44 PM
this looks cheap enough
Snowball USB microphone
Ah, the choice is wide .. including noise cancelling microphone adaptors
 

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