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12:10 AM
@pep I sympathise with you but HF is doing the lion's share of the work on this and his reasons are logical AND well thought-out AND documented even if they are hard to understand completely at first.
My suggestion to you is to try to go with the flow and help support him and his work and his decisions, especially if you feel they are "not the end of the world".
We have seen some of his choices be rescinded in the past, so take what hope there is in that, and let's pull together on this exciting forward-looking adventure in the meantime.
 
 
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4:22 AM
@pep See the PR comment from last year that discusses this github.com/metaeducation/ren-c/pull/785
 
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4:56 AM
@MarkI, don't misinterpret me, I'm aware of the big work of hostilefork and also I support what he does, in fact I agree with him in his point of view and most of his decisions (even more, my opinión is not important at the end, he does the job he has the decisión, but I wanted to point out I'm aligned with his thinking most of the time ;-))
I simply consider being another voice helps in the debate and maybe puts out another point of view maybe interesting or maybe not
 
@pep more praise and fewer complaints is the way to get on here
Unless you've made significant contributions to the Rebol code base
Then you can complain!
 
pep
ok, @Graham, I take the point here so
thanks for nottice
 
Unfortunately we have had a number of people who come here, troll and then leave
 
pep
ok, I don't pretend to be a troll, my apologies to everybody feeling that
I got the message, first contribute then complain
no problem
 
5:32 AM
I always found the "show me your code" attitude as being extremly stupid, sorry.
Graham, it was RT's attitude, I can see it in photo business, and others too. It is like saying that music critics can't write their articles, unless they themselves prove being better musicians than Metallica.
Of course trolling is bad. But ppl still should have their right to ask questions about the language design decisions, its consistency, etc. The problem with Rebol always was, that on one hand RT was asking for contributions and the community involvement, but on the other hand, code quality wise, only the code of few would be accepted.
 
@pekr Oh - guess who defends that position!
@pekr the code is heavily documented and I linked to the discussion
 
 
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10:25 AM
(1) Every opinion is as important as another's, there are too few people who show any interest at all in this to be proscriptive in any way IMO (which in some ways is disagreeing with Petr, Graham and even the Fork himself)
(2) Please do not take my words as trying to "shut you up", I merely wish to point out that a little praise with the criticism is never unwise!
 
 
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12:01 PM
@pep I feel you're miles away from trolling, and I'm sure @HostileFork agrees with that. You're welcome to express yourself, as long as your intent is constructive :-)
 
 
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5:03 PM
@pep It seems you understand the motivation for the name change...but aren't convinced. (And it isn't exactly a change, as pointed out that APPEND is an action! in Rebol2, and if yours doesn't say so that is surprising ?)
I can understand the perspective that "function" is so well known that using any other word for a function-seeming type is worth whatever downsides. But on balance that doesn't seem to be true to me.
I also believe that since it is not a pure function of inputs, the math term is a misnomer.
 
5:22 PM
But if the function generator was not called FUNCTION, I would agree that the data type should be FUNCTION!. It's clearly a tough call.
Having lived with it a while I am rather comfortable with it. I guess what I'd ask is to give things a bit of a chance...
 
 
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9:09 PM
Can we just build the wasm and use this to run everywhere? No need to build binaries now for different platforms.
 
 
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11:09 PM
@GrahamChiu it's worth keeping an eye on that, someone suggested it to Red people on gitter. For the moment it is not likely too relevant.
 
@HostileFork because?
It looks like I can download the platform and run apps such as nginx without all the baggage
as long as the app is in wasm format
So, can we not deploy rebol apps in the same way?
admittedly they're server apps
 
@GrahamChiu it is probably the kind of thing that over the long run could be more relevant than node.js - but as I say, early still
 
@HostileFork So is ren-c !
 
Wasm is clearly becoming very real, and flash/etc is really dead. So we're aiming at the right target right now, and good to keep our eyes open
If I were a profit-oriented person I'd drop all this Rebol stuff and use my writing and explanation skill to teach emscripten and wasm
 
@HostileFork isn't emscripten also going?
 
11:24 PM
@GrahamChiu It's some glue pieces that will be relevant for a while
Most of the C/wasm interop is actually llvm
 
I'm hoping we can escape the constraints of running inside a browser
 
@GrahamChiu Nothing is being considered which would require it. It's embrace and extinguish :)
 
Android may not be there yet as a target
They're still concentrating on x86
 
My vacation meditation is bringing me back to PARSE, we build from there and not the language. @pep's complaint on function/action is actually a good talking points of why trying to explain all the language choices is a red herring (ha ha)
 
I thought you had kept any-function? but it seems not
 

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