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7:10 AM
Super cool features coming up shortly... prepare yourselves :-)
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8:06 AM
@giuliolunati How are the enfix changes? Giving you trouble or bringing you peace of mind? :-)
 
 
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12:12 PM
@HostileFork not yet experimented, but sure it's a better solution!
Variadics, enfix, skippable parameters and invisibles give to Ren/C an awesome flexibility, more and more toward natural language. IMHO.
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posted on January 23, 2019 by Oldes

While vector is nice for compact storing big arrays in memory, its usage is very limited so far, as there are almost no actions implemented yet. Like: >> points * 10 ** Script error: cannot use multiply on vector! value ** Where: * ** Near: * 10

 
1:07 PM
@HostileFork Haven't had much success in tracking it down, other than it's trying to load tmp-natives.r before it is generated. Your travis build starts from a fresh clone?
 
@kealist Yes, but it's running a cross compiler on linux. There's a lot of potential for variation across all these platforms and toolchains.
If you look at it for a while and really can't make any progress on it, then let me know where you installed your MinGW from and I can try it
Though trying to track these things down is a good way of noticing when something is too complicated and needs simplification!!
>> lit a/b/:c:
== a/b/(c):
^-- So I can just do a compatibility transformation, I guess. Even though GET-WORD!/SET-WORD!/PATH!/GET-PATH!/SET-PATH! etc. aren't legal as direct elements of a path, it can promote a GET-WORD! to a GROUP! vs. choke on it. At least for the indefinite future.
 
 
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3:23 PM
@HostileFork Somebody's weavin' orbz!
 
 
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8:19 PM
I prefer hotfixes and warm welcomed functionality, it is already freezing here, not good for the heating bill ;-)
Seriously, bring 'm on boy! :-)
 
 
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9:27 PM
@giuliolunati I think that killing off the #tight parameter convention, and building the intuition for what the behavior needs to be from other "ambient" factors, is important for keeping it in the rhythm of a natural grammar. Which is why I fought so hard against #tight in the first place. So while @MarkI might feel vindication in the outcome, so do I, I knew we didn't want it... there was just no obvious way to avoid it and keep 1 + 2 * 3 => 9.
(without losing a whole lot of interesting features)
 
9:53 PM
In terms of semiotics, it seems like it would be fitting if foo: func ['literal] [...] were the way you say literal argument, then foo: func ['(escapable)] [...] being the way you say escapable literal arguments. That would free up :arg for the purpose I've been thinking I want it...which is to denote that you're okay being passed an ACTION! which might execute when you reference it.
That goes back to Rebol2 conventions, where 'arg was a "hard quote".
My idea of why it's good to use :arg for ACTION!-is-legal is because it helps you notice in the spec that if you want to refer to that and not have it run, you should refer to it as :arg in the body.
Another concept is that it could be optional. That would no longer be contentious with ':arg, you could have an optional literal. (That may sound like it makes no sense, but you can get such things via APPLY.) Certainly an optional "escapable literal" is possible, but you could say that too: '(:arg) More benefits of not having #tight parameters, there's no :#arg ...
 
 
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11:05 PM
@giuliolunati I really like / not being a WORD!, as it gives consistency. As a 2-element PATH! with a blank on the left and a blank on the right, it fits in with how you would think about merging paths together. but...it's not using its binding and it is immutable. We could make it a synonym for another word. Like, say, SLASH
Or maybe not even that. Maybe some special secret ID. We could have it behave word-like for binding, so when you say /: enfix func [...] [...] it would remember that, as if it were a WORD!.
It's tricky, but I think it can be made to work. That would be great, to have it be a PATH! that acts like a WORD! for SET, GET, and normal eval purposes...
But it means when you say "keys of context" or whatever, you might get back something that is not a WORD!, but a PATH!...and then you might ask to spell it. This is why I think the "word synonym" strategy is probably better than a "special ID". /: would thus act just like slash:, and if you bind a /: somewhere then you get a key called "slash".
The downside is that if someone says slash: #"/" then they just lost being able to dispatch division through /. So that would suggest picking a more esoteric synonym, like ~slash~ or something.
 

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