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1:13 AM
@HostileFork There's been an unfortunate adoption of the browser as the application platform, and I've never yet met an adequate execution. So, GUI apps for me are still highly relevant.
The online accounting package I use takes 20x longer to do anything vs what I used to use on Windows 98/SE etc.
People buy into this because it's single deployment across OSes. But they don't measure productivity changes.
 
@GrahamChiu If people were measuring societal improvement or productivity using metrics with technology, then technology is not advancing things in many, many areas.
"With technology we've advanced it so you'll live on average 10 years longer, and with that technology we've made sure it's in a world you don't really want to live in anyway."
 
I only look at my pain points.
I've not reached my 10 extra years
 
2:03 AM
"YAML, probably not so great after all" - kinds of critiques and questions one would raise about Rebol/Red/Ren
 
2:13 AM
I'd like to be able to MAKE FRAME! from a varargs, in the sense that you can have a variadic feed positioned at something like add (1 + 2) (3 + 4), and get a result back which is the same as if you'd said f: make frame! :add | f/value1: (1 + 2) | f/value2: (3 + 4). This would mean you could have a variadic function that could process a function call gathering its arguments, but defer actually calling the function.
So instead of my-variadic add (1 + 2) (3 + 4) only being able to get the final evaluation 10, it could ask the frame to be generated and then poke at it...e.g. to read f/value1 as 3 and f/value2 as 7. It could then make decisions based on that... even modifying the arguments before invoking that frame, or deciding not to invoke it at all even.
I approximated this in a very sloppy and bad way to implement match parse "aaa" [some "a"] coming back with "aaa"... it was MATCH being variadic, generating the frame for PARSE, stealing its first argument, then calling it and based on the truthy/falsey response either returning that stolen argument or null.
The same sloppy approximation is used in variadic DOES, e.g. f: does all [x = 2 | y = 3] Except in that case, what it does with the frame it gets back is turns it into a specialization. You can basically MAKE ACTION! out of any FRAME! and get a full or partial specialization...though this has yet to be exposed to usermode.
But in terms of generality, what if your had something like my-variadic 12. How do you MAKE FRAME! out of 12? I guess it could implicitly assume that if wherever the variadic is sitting when you make frame! isn't an action, that you want it to be a FRAME! for the EVAL action. The other option could be it gives an error/null and says "you can't make a frame for that"
Anyway, trying to make the technique used to do it "legitimate" because there were too many problems in the sloppy version that were affecting even near-term casual use.
 
 
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6:39 AM
@HostileFork Don't worry, I will experiment with OpenGL without coupling to Ren-c right away. It is a goal, to (be able to) do that ultimately.
 
6:57 AM
I've snap shotted the latests builds to be used for scripting. These won't change without concensus.
See the downloads page.
 
@GrahamChiu It seems that rather than picking a random moment, you should pick a script that it works for--that is important to you or someone. And then at the very least, that build could be used with that script.
But, as a step of "this is what it will look like" I guess that is a fine way for it to look at the top of the page.
 
 
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9:41 AM
@HostileFork So what should the name become if Rebol will be no longer appropriate?
TPLFKAR? The Programming Language Formerly Known As Rebol?
 
Well, hate to spoil the surprise but... it's going to be KWATZ!...(all-cap‌​s, exclamation point included)
 
10:25 AM
KWATZ is a special datatype of World, a spin-off of Rebol. It was meant to refer to non-loadable content during the load phase.
 
But it's such a good name, I must have it.
Or perhaps the owners of Zombo.com would entertain a buyout.
 
 
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12:01 PM
What does it mean in English anyway? :-)
 
It means Quatsch!
It is a good name, does not need -lang in the domain, nor adding "language" to your search queries.
I would want it without the ! though. The ! suggests a type, it is not a type is it?
 
^-- joke
>> z: match parse "aaa" [some "a"] else [<no-match>]
== "aaa"

>> z: match parse "aaa" [some "b"] else [<no-match>]
== <no-match>
^-- Fairly promisingly, some streamlining I'm doing looks like it's resolving the infix bug in match and does... that's good. Still some more bit fiddling to go, but a big step.
It'll really be cool to push that feature out to userspace so you can build your own MATCH-like functions.
>> z: <no-match> unless match parse "aaa" [some "a"]
== "aaa"

>> z: <no-match> unless match parse "aaa" [some "a"]
== <no-match>
"Elevating the Art", indeed.
^-- should say [some "b"] in the second copy/paste with the <no-match>
 
 
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2:49 PM
posted on June 21, 2018 by JackKort

Hello, in REBOL2 I knew how to create a PORT spec with scheme 'https, host, path, and my username/password credentials, then get my data by probing the port state/inbuffer. But now that REBOL2 won't support https, I wanted to try this in Red. But seems Red does not use ports the same way?  At least I do not find the "open" command. And of course a read attempt just returns

 
 
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4:44 PM
@HostileFork Interesting that there are no configuration file formats that use a nestable string delimiter. That's firmly in the plus column for Rebol/Red/Ren IMO.
 
 
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7:34 PM
So... I'm thinking ELSE probably shouldn't blankify its branch. If you think about what ELSE does, its trying to make up for a null left hand side by supplying code. But if you write x: if condition [...] else [first block], you're losing the safety of the null result not being able to assign to x if there was no first block. Hmmmmmm.
But you have that lack of safety on the IF branch, because if you said x: if condition [first block] with no ELSE, then it takes the null for the "didn't run the branch" state. So it would be asymmetric, you'd get protections on the ELSE but not the IF. Sigh. Then there would be the question of EITHER, and keeping it compatible with IF-ELSE, which would wind up with the strange property of distinguishing branch results if it did.
While it is arguably an asymmetry, asymmetry has been part of IF for a while:
>> type? if true []
== unset!
>> type? if false []
== none!
But just because IF is asymmetric, does ELSE have to be too...given that there's nothing forcing its hand to be so? What my new concept says is "TRUTHY branches get an implicit TRY on them. FALSE ones don't". So ELSE and the false branch of an either do not get the treatment. It's a little odd but I feel that it may be worth it for the benefit.
 
 
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11:50 PM
I'm hating the #wifi all over the city today 😒.. #cle #lmm #rebol
 

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