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12:30 AM
@HostileFork "on the wrong side of history" I hate that saying
regardless, you can always qq in here, I do not think anyone will try and censor you(I hope not anyway)
 
12:57 AM
@JacobGood1 Well we always look dumb if we go back and look at stuff we said before, that's just life.
But... I think the thing about when people bump it up to "wrong side of history" as the next-level of facepalm, is... really, you kind of should have seen the writing on the wall and stuff. Like, it's beyond the usual "oh. duh, I was an idiot" kind of thing. It's like "oh, duh, I was an idiot flying in the face of every piece of evidence and they actually put me under scrutiny and people were telling me stuff like 'hey, look' and I still persisted."
I already censored myself; the reason I don't run this room is I tried to leave. I'm not good at it, though. Unfinished business and all. But fits aside, from the beginning as rgchris says; I said it wasn't "my" room even if I wrote a bunch.
Trying to get Rebol and Red to cohere has been a really hard idea, in a cat-herding sense, like probably a harder cat-herding project than you would usually think. I may have been lulled into believing it possible because of the smartness of some of the people involved.
 
1:48 AM
@HostileFork Cats are hard to herd precisely because they are smart.
And, I don't even think you need to involve Red to make Rebol/REN a really hard idea.
So says another guy who's been lulled ... or maybe I'm one of the lullers :)
Believe in the dream, sayeth I!
(for otherwise, like a Coronation Street addict, I'd have to stop and then realize I've totally wasted all that time on it :) :)
Joking aside, it comes as no surprise to me that this (these) language (languages) is a (are) hard taskmaster (taskmasters).
It's more than homoiconicity. It's like, if it's right in the language, it has to be right in all other languages too, both human and machine.
Far from easy, no?
Currently I'm stuck on whether or not to add/change the escaping rules in tags.
If we are going to allow arbitrary strings in tags, the current escaping rules are not good enough.
There is no way currently to lexically create a tag consisting of just the character '>', for example.
And molding out the to-string evaluative variant produces, as it can only produce, an unloadable mess.
Yet I feel there is resistance to the idea that perhaps some strings can't be converted to tags.
Here's a proposal, call it proposal Tags II:
Between the angle brackets, tags form as their literal strings would, and mold with all {>} wrapped in quotes {"} and all other quotes doubled. The mold version is what will load to the original tag, so, quotes are removed unless doubled, in which case one is stripped.
I have my reasons for not totally being in favour of this idea, but I'd like to hear yours, anybody.
For @HostileFork only, my reasons do not include the fact that this proposal allows the empty tag <> :)
I also feel that if to x! s of a string s is to be different from all [s': load s x! = type? s' s'] then we need clear goals for the usage.
 
 
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5:04 AM
@HostileFork "It's time for everyone to just move on" That would be great. But each time I log here, it seems like someone just can't move on.
 
@rebolek ...errr, did you just bring it back up?
 
How can I bring back something that's filling 3/4 of the chat here?
 
@rebolek Talk about what @MarkI just said instead, and you won't be.
@MarkI I have been operating still under the assumption that < and > would be escaped in tags by ^. It's not very aesthetic: <^<> for instance. So questioning that is worthwhile.
My other general idea, which was something along the lines of <^(<)>; that was meant to address this kind of thing... though I'd have to pick up the arguments again.
We are hoping that escaping is uncommon.
@rebolek I do think moving on and ignoring -- as you and @pekr and everyone else seem to want to do about the Sonny and Red -- that one is worrisome. Someone should be worried. Either I'm being stalked and people are naming projects and themselves after my blog entries from years prior, or I can inject pages into the Internet Archive at my whim, or the universe is laughing at us.
(most likely the last option)
I think that can be discussed without needing to discuss the war. (It's weird even if things were peachy, and I have thought so ever since noticing it.)
 
5:37 AM
@HostileFork I'm not sure what you mean by that. I think we are here to discuss technical stuff.
 
@rebolek I mean, in September 2008 I posted my second Rebol article to the Internet (after my first article three days before). I made a joke. Did you read the link with the joke?
 
Yes
 
What date do you think Red, the language name, was chosen?
 
I don't know.
 
I do not either. But I do not think I could have reasonably known it would exist, nor that it would be called Red, in 2008.
It is listed as having been announced in 2011 on Wikipedia, but certainly some people knew about it before the conference where it was announced.
 
5:47 AM
Ok.
 
I was probably one of the people who knew of it.
But I didn't know of it 3 years prior.
I only know because really, I only knew about Rebol then, and I'm pretty sure it was a couple years before the Red thing ever came up.
While I do not have a timestamp of what-happened-when, or the day I went to the IRC chat room and said "what are you... doing?"... I am kind of sure that wasn't 2008
If anyone can prove that it was, then I would appreciate it, because that would explain some things.
Just doesn't fit my memory of what happened.
 
Ok, so you posted a blog, where is some "Red" character and Doc is working on "Red" language. I don't see what should it mean.
 
Well, it's a bit more intersectional than that.
Firstly, I didn't just randomly mention the word. Note that it's specifically about the relationship of the Sonny and Red characters to "Tiny R".
And even recently, we saw AltME messages from Nenad about Carl's forward thinking... while Mark and I are looking a little bit sideways at the source code and going "hum. this could have been thought out better."
So it's almost like I wrote the cartoon version, then the characters played into it. Maybe I'm just being dense here, and it's like freaking out about the person in the bathroom who "looks just like me and copies my every move". It might be a mirror, but the correct response is "that's a mirror, dude" not "you're crazy there's no one in that bathroom but you". I'm willing to look stupid if it means figuring things out. What happened here?
 
Hm, sorry. I can't see a connection here.
 
You really, honestly, see nothing weird about it?
(Fair warning: This might be a Voight-Kampff)
Sigh. Great movie, ahead of its time. Amazingly shot, too.
 
6:06 AM
@HostileFork No. What's weird about it?
 
@rebolek Well the role and relationship of the characters named Red and Sonny to Rebol is weirdly matching. Note that this isn't some kind of word salad or random juxtaposition. It's rather purposeful. Tiny "R" is my construction; a comparison to "Tiny Elvis" where he is going around looking at large objects like salt shakers and saying "What would I do with all that salt?" I made the joke that it was like looking at modern day hard-drives/etc.
His "yes men" who support his attitude are named... Red and Sonny. It would be not much to mention, if I had made a cartoon or joke here in 2015. The thing worth mentioning would be... it was 2008
 
@HostileFork I really don't see how their behaviour matches Red "vs." Rebol behaviour. There is some tiny Rebol and huge Red that is laughing at the tiny Rebol?
 
@rebolek They are laughing with the Tiny E / Tiny R. You didn't see the original, I'm sure, it would not be in Czech. It was a comedy skit... kids today in the US would not know this, but people my age might know it.
 
@HostileFork Not exactly. Hulu is US only.
 
Dumb.
Anyway, okay, you have your vote. It's not weird. I'll put your vote on the vote board: "not weird"
 
6:18 AM
There was some voting? :)
 
Well you're the first person to publicly say anything, privately a couple people have expressed a "erm, yeah that's weird" but it's not public so... they don't want to say it publicly. That's ok.
On the vote board that only I can see, there's the "willing to say it's weird but not say so publicly" category. :-)
You're willing to say publicly not weird, and that's cool. I support you.
(Not joking, I do appreciate you speaking.)
No information = no understanding
 
Sorry, I don't know the original, so can't see anything weird about it. I just think than any fighting is not helping. Things like this tweet and so on.
 
@rebolek What do you think of JavaScript? Do you think it is a good language? What do you think about when one gets money and power, using that money and power to fund organizations that attempt to fight against rights of people? I do not like either thing. I watch a lot of TV shows--Daily Show I mentioned--where one uses pointed language and humor to point out problems.
DocKimbel shows he doesn't care about me; I don't see why I should at this point after repeated testing pull punches to save a project when I think he's off message in general about his code and methodology.
I said that's the worst bit about the tweet; not doing it, but a selectivity of only speaking my mind when I allowed myself to be mad. That's the problem IMO.
 
I really don't think that he "doesn't care about you".It's just that sometimes you are more hostile than fork.
The tweet looks bit childish to me, but that's just my opinion.
 
Well there is a little hostile in there. I don't know if Brendan after all the press and what not even reads that kind of thing
But reading up on the whole incident that--again--I never heard of--it seems everyone was ready to give him a pass on this if he just apologized
Okay, not everyone, but I bet Mozilla would have kept him if he had
Anyway, we'll all be dead in a few. Singularity isn't moving fast enough. I guess we can look at that all kinds of ways.
 
6:31 AM
I think we still have few years. So I think we should get along instead of fighting.
 
Should I have sent the tweet? Well it's iffy. I ran it by some people and they said "oh come on, petty, don't do it"
And I said "I shouldn't have to not do it." And I do think all the anti-gay marriage people are really kind of jerks. And I do think JavaScript is terrible. So it's consistent with my views. (Though my actual views are that the government should not be involved in people's personal lives in that way at all, so expanding the institution is the wrong direction... but...)
And I'm admitting that yes, I wanted a bit to bring up that little aspect between Brendan and Red. I'm sure Brendan would like to believe it's all gone now that the buzz is down and he's out of Mozilla, and he's not getting harassing Twitters every day, so he's going and making friends with people like Doc and hoping no one remembers.
But I'd like to remind Doc that some people not only work hard, draw icons, they're also not bigots, and they produce great things instead of letting you bend their ear over lunch once.
 
@HostileFork It's fine if you think that the anti-gay marriage people are really kind of jerks. and that JavaScript is terrible, but I really don't see how it's connected to Red.
 
@rebolek Well Red's not joined at the hip to Brendan Eich, it was just a tweet. But he was clearly pleased about rubbing elbows with "the famous people", if you read AltMe echos.
Anyway, tweet stands. If I can watch Daily Show style takedowns, I can write one. It's one line, and it's reasonable. If you want to say I'm a terrible person for speaking my mind on a point, then okay. I'm a terrible person.
In all honesty I think the "making JavaScript" is actually the bigger damage to the world, because I really don't see how him giving money to anti-gay-marriage groups does anything other than him looking stupid. That won't make a difference, but JS will be a mess we have to clean up forever.
 
There are much worse languages than JS.
 
Blah. It took a bunch of stuff from "Self" and showed up on the radar late as an afterthought when Sun was rehashing Modula-3 and Smalltalk or whatever but realized they had nothing in the scripting space... unoriginal junk to fill in the gap and they stuck "Java" on the name just to confuse everyone.
There are worse languages in the sense that any language someone invents at random with no new ideas in it is just more churn. That's the only sense in which you can say there are worse languages.
Like the old joke goes, someone calls up a guy and pitches him an idea, and the guy isn't interested.
And the pitcher says "What?! You have to acknowledge; this is an original and good idea!"
And the respondent says: "Indeed. Your idea is original and good. Except the parts that are good are not original. And the parts that are original are not good."
I have one of these, and I think it's pretty cool. It's a gravity based cat waterer. I didn't go for a gravity based cat feeder, because there are problems with that. From my readings you wind up with stale food, pieces of food clog it; unsolved as of yet. But I am actually rather happy with the gravity cat waterer. It's interesting to think how gravity existed for a long time, but these are really recent.
They're odd and simple, they just work.
The bowl can get slimy; you need to wash it.
But other than that--it's great--and I think when I look at the vision behind Rebol (or behind my variant) it's to find these little truths. Lasting truths. JavaScript has none of them.
 
 
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8:13 AM
@HostileFork - maybe you see too much in a things, which are just plain coincidence. In the past, Doc created a Rebol clone called R#. When he started new project, he did not want it to confuse with former R# effort, as well as there is statistical R language, as well as # referring to C#
In that sense - Rebol Enhanced Dialect was brought to the table. I really doubt, he was inspired by your blog, but surely can't be sure. As for Sonny, IIRC he once explained where it came from, and once again it was not related to your blog article
@HostileFork - as for your tweet - Brendan wrote to Doc, asking him, why this attacking tweet appeared. This blog is not imo all that funny, although I can understand your intention. It can imo cause some damage to reputation to both Red and Rebol ....
 
8:25 AM
@pekr People tweet all kind of offensive messages all the time. This one was not even that bad, but it did get noticed and someone did not like it. Well he should learn to live with that in a world full of different opinions than your own. That is not reflecting bad on Rebol and Red, the real bad thing would be a donation to Red from this person, i would consider that an insult to the open nature of our community.
 
you apparently live in some strange reality
if Doc does not wish for any such connection, it should not happen.
no excuses here
 
@pekr Brendan has been given freedom to clarify his views, and when given that freedom, it wasn't satisfactory for Mozilla... and it shouldn't be for Red either, unless he has updated.
He is free to update.
But anyway, that's not exactly the point... I don't go around picking on such people in general. That's someone else's job. It's actually more the "choice of who to embrace vs. ostracize" judgment call.
 
@HostileFork And you chose to tweet that Red should marry Mr. Eich.
 
@rebolek Yes, but you did read the articles about it, right? It is not a random statement; although you may believe things are all random: newyorker.com/business/currency/how-mozilla-lost-its-c-e-o
That's connected... to the twitter statement... deliberately.
 
@pekr I sure do, I took the Red pill ;-)
 
8:39 AM
@HostileFork Why should I believe things are all random? I know Eich's opinions, I just don't see how it's connected to Red.
 
Well it's my Twitter not Red's. Look around, this is how the world works. I say stuff, other people say stuff.
We find those that agree or disagree with us; China and the U.S. have big talk going on right now with generals and such, and you kind of hope it's just a bunch of talk and nobody goes shooting down other people's planes and bombing cities.
Anyway, we are separating paths and I am saying I'm done with Red. That's okay. Nenad didn't come through with the last paycheck.
Oh, wait.
I've never gotten a paycheck.
 
@HostileFork At least your tweet got noticed and it even triggered a complaint.
 
@iArnold As intended.
Nenad should be forced to confront the issue.
I wouldn't be friends with that guy.
Though perhaps mostly because he made JavaScript, and is unrepentant about that too... but yeah, the other stuff as well.
Look at all the accusations of me being out of line. Oooh. So out of line. What, because I have a soul? Having a soul is out of line?
 
@HostileFork After the forming of Fullstack Technologies the maintenance of the site and sources should have been provided by that company, no dependencies from third party content.
I thought that was the source of you being put aside in the first place
 
Hm, the original tweet says they had a lunch. I don't understand how you got from a "lunch" to "marriage".
 
8:51 AM
@iArnold I handed everything over, filed nicely. github.com/red/branding
@rebolek Well, fine. Go use Red then. Build Lest on it. I won't bother sending you the Ren/C bin.
Anyway, we can't move forward on the development if we keep this up.
So let's stop. Let him do his thing, and me do mine.
As it stands, this is all kind of slowing both of us down, I'm sure.
No one's winning here--but I am just saying "you don't get any more of my time". On his side, not much changes because, as I said... never got jack from that guy.
 
@HostileFork Using Red prohibits me from using Ren/C? Can't I use them both?
 
@rebolek It was a random grumpy comment, because there's obviously a lot of grumpiness and/or anger being incited in all this. I think the thing is... you will have a better time with Ren/C as a product than you will with Red... so I'm kind of growling internally about the whole issue of how I feel about Red's methodology and those who have allied with the "Rebol was great as it was" motif.
Rebol had a lot of interesting properties, but it never really was mapped out in a cohesive way. Red did not seek to correct its weaknesses; but just to take an impression of it and repeat every mistake and add more.
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@HostileFork I don't know what will give me better time yet. I have to try it to find out.
 
@rebolek Well, I have to fix the 3x slowdown, that's too slow.
And to be expected; as I said; I did something wacky just to get it through the tests and sort things through.
The code stack and data stack separation looks like the right compromise.
Today I had lots of non-programming to do but I did manage to go through a bit and notice what was wrong with my "no data stack at all" proposal; doesn't work
Because REDUCE and COMPOSE can recurse. D'oh. Right.
That still does not necessitate that the code stack needs to be the same stack, and in fact it should not. Because the requirements are different. I mentioned this earlier I think
This is sort of true if you look at a lot of other computer things, which start doing things like separating code pages and data pages
"What's the difference... code is just data, isn't it?"
Well kind of, but, no.
(In C)
Anyway, it's non trivial. I'm not releasing Ren/C until it's within striking distance of Rebol performance. I don't know what my limit is, but certainly it can't be slower than 1.5x
Some would say "but if you release it sooner, people could help"
Well, maybe part of it is that I do want my crack at it first. I want to try.
I can get it to 1.5 in 2 days I think...assuming all this drama and what not doesn't distract me
Just chain the function frames in fixed size on their own stack, then set up a separate data stack
Is that weird?
 
9:50 AM
@HostileFork When you seek to raise the bar, I hope you are focussing your effort on the highest bar you can find? :P
 
10:01 AM
@HostileFork - I have some friends, one working for a really nice and innovative company, who can't agree with Eich either. On the other hand - how do we describe respect for an opinion? Doc simple met Brendan during the conference, so they have some chat about JS language ecosystem, to get better understanding ... I think there's nothing wrong with that?
Mat (Ruby) is for e.g. following Red on Twitter. Is there anything wrong with that?
 
10:45 AM
posted on June 02, 2015 by draegtun

[Reddit] Parse Kit

 
 
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11:45 AM
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Q: Print binary data to stdout using Rebol

psmithI'm using Rebol to produce binary output, but the output is not what I expected. This is a simple test script, which prints all bytes from 0 to 255: REBOL[] for i 0 255 1 [ prin to char! i ] Execute the test like this: rebol -q test.rebol | hexdump -v With Rebol 2.7, the output misses the 0...

 
12:27 PM
@HostileFork I too like ^ for escaping, everywhere, because I am a fan of consistency. But a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, so I am also wary, and open to considering other ideas.
 
12:49 PM
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A: Print binary data to stdout using Rebol

MarkINo. In Rebol 3 the console is UTF-8, and that's what prin produces. However, you can write your binary to a file, that works perfectly in both Rebols. (I even suspect that on some systems you can write the binary to %/dev/stdout, and get exactly what you seem to be wanting. But I am not running...

 
1:16 PM
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A: Print binary data to stdout using Rebol

draegtunIn Rebol 2 you can use write-io for unadulterated writing to ports like STDOUT. So your example would look like this: Rebol [] for i 0 255 1 [ write-io system/ports/output to-string to char! i 1 ] Rebol 3 doesn't have write-io and instead uses write so in theory your example should loo...

 
1:40 PM
This (the SO Q&A above) reminds me of why I liked Unix's weird names for commands.
If you ever saw 'rm' in a question, you knew they were talking about the Unix command, and not any other meaning of "remove".
With Rebol, we are not so fortunate; the question says print, so it may be about the Rebol function, but it may not.
And we certainly can't expect new users to instantly pick up on changed font, or even tick-preceding, to make that distinction.
I guess in this case, the only thing we can do is answer both questions, but that does seem clumsy and somewhat illiterate.
 
2:12 PM
@HostileFork If you add enough cohesion AND extension of features I believe red will follow. It would be irrational for it not to do so. If nothing else, someone will eventually fork it to follow. The short term challenge is to define enough. In industry they commonly use >= 10% as a metric. The more important challenge is longer term and against other language models. That's where "unique selling proposition" comes in.
 
 
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4:05 PM
@HostileFork I see no problem with eating with Brendan Eich, nor with his views(not his vote) on gay marriage. I do not agree with the idea that governments should be involved in marriage(or practically anything except defending our rights) so prop 8 should have never existed in the first place.
 
 
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5:09 PM
Has anyone heard of Pico C? Would it be small alternative to the other C compiler its name I forgot? github.com/zsaleeba/picoc
 
@pekr It sounds cool, but it is an interpreter, not a compiler, so, nope.
 
 
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6:51 PM
Hm. One reason a shared data-stack-like thing is needed by REDUCE and COMPOSE is they can't predict the size of the series they are about to produce. So in order to get the series size just right and not risk needing to do an expansion (or allocate extra memory which may not be used), the values are gathered on that stack and then the series is made.
But if it didn't work that way and just made the series, and was willing to make an estimate, it could write the values into that series and not need a data stack. That wouldn't help /INTO however; because its goal is precisely not to make a new series.
 
7:04 PM
@HostileFork Do those functions that have /INTO, but aren't given one, just allocate a series and then call (become) the /INTO version? Should they or shouldn't they?
 
>> help reduce
 
; Brought to you by: try.rebol.nl
USAGE:
    REDUCE value /no-set /only words /into out

DESCRIPTION:
    Evaluates expressions and returns multiple results.
    REDUCE is a native value.

ARGUMENTS:
    value

REFINEMENTS:
    /no-set -- Keep set-words as-is. Do not set them.
    /only -- Only evaluate words and paths, not functions
        words -- Optional words that are not evaluated (keywords) (block! none!)
    /into -- Output results into a block with no intermediate storage
        out (any-block!)
 
Into requires a block series
 
I'm asking if the series growth pattern is different when /INTO is used, as opposed to using a local series.
 
@MarkI The first step regardless of /INTO is to accumulate data on the stack. Once the whole block is processed, information is taken from the first marked stack position to the last... and either inserted (for /INTO) or made into a new series.
 
7:09 PM
@HostileFork Thanks. So the "new" series is allocated all at once, and the /INTO series has to grow with the insert.
Slightly counter-intuitive. I would have thought that the /INTO series would be (re)allocated, then values inserted.
But maybe that's what INSERT does. I haven't looked closely enough yet.
 
Hm? It just opens up a range of space and copies the stack values in. Ludicrously slow in my current linked-list-item-per-stack test, of course
If the series has capacity it is used, if not it is expanded... it's the same as any insert.
 
@HostileFork I guess the whole point is that if you know your compose cannot result in more than 1000 items, and you pass in via /INTO a pre-allocated 1000-item block, then you can rest assured that no growth or reallocation will take place.
That is, if the /INTO block isn't big enough, then it's just as slow as without the /INTO.
 
@MarkI Expansion isn't the only cost... there's the overhead for the two function calls (some associated cost on each one)... and the data stack series is allocated just once large and is "hot"
Haven't done testing myself but I'm sure it's noticeably faster; though it raises the bigger question of what the pitch is to people designing APIs. Do they need to worry about creating /INTO variants also?
 
7:43 PM
My general theory on performance going in was that there wasn't enough freedom to experiment with trickier techniques for optimization because it was too hard to change the code. But I'm not as hopeful for being able to squeeze significant performance out of the system with alternate methodologies as I had been.
Not to say I've given up completely. Just that hammering through the concrete reality of it, there's sort of a seeming limit because it has to do what it has to do... just because the definition requires it to work that way.
I have a handy value type in the debug build... a "REB_TRASH". In its value slots are the line number and the const char * of the file where you set the value to trash.
 
@HostileFork I have wondered that myself. Do we need an INTO-creating function-creating function or spec dialect?
 
@MarkI Just bringing it up, but I think a bigger meta-point to keep in mind is to facilitate that shift to dialects overall and making sure the lexical tools and all are in place. The idea that "Rebol is good for... programming in Rebol" becomes tautological. There should be more Rebol users who never use or know about REDUCE or /INTO etc.
 
8:09 PM
@HostileFork Agreed, but there is a limit. It can't be everything to everybody, and, there is a mind-set change involved.
Sort of a "pointers for dummies" kind of thing, if you will forgive my poor allusion.
Lit-word versus get-word being the crux of that distinction. I actually still don't know how to tell that story.
 
8:25 PM
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Q: file stop read when line reached

sgroves855I have the code below to begin read the rest of the file after I have found the line containing the string "start" foreach line clines [ if find [%start] line [ print line ] ] I can't figure it out from the documentation.. what's going on here? seems logical to me...

 
Um, by the way @HostileFork, do you believe that any and all strings should be convertible to tags without error?
 
8:39 PM
@MarkI If there's going to be a hook to stop certain forms of tags, there are a lot of places you'd have to hook besides the point of conversion. Preventing the sequence abc involves checking on every operation to see if you've inserted an a in front of a bc, you have to check for characters, etc.
 
But you do remember our discussion regarding tags having to be alphabetic, right? Have you changed your mind on that?
And yes, I do not want to go down the road of like, no zero-length tags, either.
 
@MarkI Hm, not offhand... I remember saying that tags would have to start with a limited set of characters, but they definitely need spaces and equals and quotes and such.
 
We were only talking about the first word. I'll look it up. But yes, even forcing the first character to be alphabetic opens the door.
To lots of hooks, I mean. So have you changed your mind on that too?
 
@MarkI The related CureCode tickets represent my last known state of beliefs, I think.
 
We simply cannot allow </a/b/c/> to be a tag, IMO. How, I don't know yet.
@HostileFork Ref please?
gtg bbl
 
8:53 PM
@MarkI #2206 for instance.
@MarkI Is there anything wrong with {/a/b/c/} as a string?
 
9:39 PM
Hm... okay, this is kind of interesting. By using a custom structure for code stack frames, it means that they can contain pointers to values. This gives the garbage collector access to see pointers on the C stack. You don't have to make copies (e.g. of the function value cell being called)...that value just lives on the C stack.
Same goes for the return result, for instance. Nifty.
 
9:55 PM
I might be able to squeeze some performance improvements out of this thing after all. Fingers crossed.
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