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4:21 PM
Thks, @earl—what are the main differences between 1.1 and 2.0?
 
4:36 PM
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8:11 PM
@johnk rebolbot now has an account on altme so if you set it up we can read the announce directory directly, or, grab a RSS feed ...
 
@GrahamChiu You could also create a StackOverflow Chat group on AltME and have RebolBot post everything that's going on on SO Chat in that group.
@GrahamChiu And she could post stuff from select groups on AltME here.
 
@GrahamChiu, I've made some small adjustments to the RebolBot source from what is in master now, and things mostly work. Just your latest cached orders functionality is not quite right, it seems.
 
8:26 PM
@Respectech How? Would you ask Carl for the api ?
@Adrian hmm. works here though ....
 
In the modular version?
 
in the monolithic version it works fine
 
Well, do you want to also get it working in the modular bot?
 
@Respectech AFAIK there's no published way to post programmatically to altme
@Adrian yes, which is why I attempted to add my changes
 
k, let me check in then you can get latest
 
8:31 PM
@GrahamChiu The groups are held in individual files on every client computer. If the file size changes, then there was a new message posted to that group.
You can find the group number by right-clicking the group name in AltME and noting the number to the right. For instance, on my computer, the Announce group is #105.
 
This is that it does.
It creates a LIFO block of 6 cells ( message-id command )
If a new message comes in, it's appended to the end, and the earliest is removed.
If the message is an old one, it checks to see if it's in the stack.
If it's in the stack, it checks to see if it has changed.
If it has changed, it appends to the end again, and removes the changed one.
IF there is a new or changed message, it then evaluates it.
 
On Vista and newer machines, the default install location for that is: C:\Users[username]\AppData\Local\altme\worlds\rebol4
 
@Respectech but does the altme code use that to post new messages? I very much doubt it!
 
In the above-mentioned directory, there is a file on my computer called 105.set.
That file contains Rebol blocks with every message for that group in it.
I'm talking about reading the messages from AltME, like from the Announce group, and posting them here in SO Chat.
 
@Respectech Yep, and that is what is done at present on rebol.org
 
8:35 PM
Oh, OK. So I was telling you how to do something you were already doing...
 
But you also mentioned going the other way .. and no one knows if that can be done.
 
I'll see if Carl will give me any insight on whether that can be done.
 
@GrahamChiu try pulling the latest now
@GrahamChiu the problem I'm seeing currently is that the bot will sometimes reply to the last few commands a bunch of times.
Not always, though.
It does correctly pick up edited commands.
 
8:54 PM
@rgchris 1.1 is historic only, at this point. So use 2.0 :)
 
9:11 PM
@Adrian odd .. it's not doing that here.
 
@GrahamChiu sent you the test room I'm in through Skype
 
9:27 PM
to all... no point in letting messages here for me. trying to read back past 5 minutes is, well, ah, not something I have time to waste. just trying to get to the messages from yesterday, I've been staring at my screen for 15 minutes, sifting through endless chatter.
so just to be on A topic, anything related to the conference should be discussed on altme, or trello, where we can at least organise topics.
all I can say is that people shouldn't be scared for the audio... I'm a musician, have done live shows, have even been in charge of the tech for bands doing sound and/or complex light shows.
The room will not be too dark, I am not renting a professional camera with filters.
I should have a very decent sony HDCAM I've done work with. It has a very nice look to the recorded material and will be grabbing it in HD directly within final cut on my editing machine, right at the devcon. sound will be taken from a mixer, so there will be no issue with quality.
room sound will be provided by a pair of studio quality 600W/pair speakers, which I've done small shows with.
the live streaming, if possible, will be done using a separate camera, stand-alone computer, but using the mixer sound.
questions, if any, will be spoken to and repeated by the room MC, possibly using one of Fork's mics or a backup SM58 which will be hooked up all the time (with a stand), just in case.
its my experience that tonality, accent and linguistic changes are hard to adapt to when the speaker changes over and over. The room MC has a chance to correct any questions which may be oddly formulated on the fly. furthermore, people who are a bit shy of speaking won't have to fear, since their voice will not be heard in the recording.
if discussions and panels are planned, I might have access to a phantom mic, not shure if my friend still has one. these mics record the whole room, and with the help of the mixer can be boosted enough to be recorded cleanly.
in any case, these are cheap to rent.
 
9:53 PM
@moliad If you click on the greenish "somebody directed a message at you" notification icon (which is overlaid over your avatar at the bottom left), it will directly take you to the message.
@moliad Further, if you go to your StackExchange profile page, you'll have an "Inbox" tab, which should also list all @messages you get sent here. URL should be something like stackexchange.com/users/196688/moliad?tab=inbox
 
10:43 PM
I know that... doesn't make it any easier to follow all the topics. not every message is directly aimed at me.
and the fact that posts are separated by day and it only wants to show a few posts, and there is a live and historic mode, which don't share all buttons... etc.
 
@moliad @BrianH has pointed out that something about the nature of this chat being chat, in the sort of classic IRC sense, is that it encourages non-ephemeral information to be curated in the appropriate place. (Q&A items, Issue Tracking, etc.) I agree that in this case, it's best for anyone interested in the organization issues that it be done with Trello.
That doesn't mean it not be talked about, or that people can "take the temperature of the room" and say "hm, what do you think about X or Y"... on topics that will make it into a Q&A or Tracking Issue or Trello... but no, there's no expectation that you reply to something if you don't want.
 
even though I don't particularly like trello, it does at least provide a sane way to organize information. man, why hasn't Reichart made a public version of qtask/prolific.. it would beat all this crap .
 
But you might find if you use it for a while that the chat is actually rather useful... permalinkable... nice to be able to edit your mistakes... centralized so that you don't have multiple machines out of sync... can be checked on your phone/tablet
@moliad Qtask/Prolific is (or at one point was) released as open source... I don't have a link offhand.
 
its a big project with thousands of files. it probably takes a full-time week to understand it all. but running a publicly visible version of the chat would be nice.
well, of all the tools, really.
@onetom... need you to update your contact info on the the devcon registration. needs an address and phone. just use the same "attend" link and add the extra info in the contacts tab... thx
 
Well, one problem is that they didn't embrace any particular existing "Ajax framework" or system like say extJS, and instead became somewhat buried in the nuances of making a Rebol-based equivalent. Bearing cross-browser nightmares in the creation of one's own web-UI framework is tough.
I wouldn't say that any of the source I saw was that hard to understand. But I did feel from what I saw that Rebol's dialecting spirit wasn't embraced all that firmly...so things like the SQL queries were being done as string concatenations at each callsite/etc.
Reichart himself wasn't interested in targeting large "gimme free" markets; rather, catering to customers with money and cultivating relationships with them; a smaller consultancy-type model.
It's nice to hypothesize that "rebol.net as the Rebol Developer network" could become powered by a Rebol-based, largely-public, Qtask-like system.
But one step at a time, I think a focus on the Rebol/Red languages themselves and use what we have out there. For those who miss private conversations, get each other's Skype addresses and use that--you'll have voice and video and screen sharing. If you just want to talk about what's on your mind there's here. If you want to do an issue track it in GitHub after the CureCode=>GitHub migration.
Want to ask a question and get it answered, use StackOverflow's main Q&A (this one is a no-brainer; there is simply no competition at this point in time, and Rebol community should keep pushing a presence there.)
We are still trying to figure out what Trello is the right tool for, it's an odd duck, I'll agree. So @moliad, I added you to the card so you can chime in with anything that you think could/should be done better elsewhere. :-)
 
11:18 PM
I would have thought qtask was overkill for what we do ... but who knows. Only a few people would be in a position to maintain it.
it may have been open sourced but I never looked at it so don't know what documentation was provided.
Anyone install it??
 
You can see an interview about QTask here: youtube.com/watch?v=5kirSD-p0co
 
Did you know that if you buy $6 worth of items, and each item costs $2, then you have purchased $3 items?
@rebolbot do $6 / $2
 
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>> $6 / $2
== $3.0000000000000000000000000
 
Rebol proves it!
 
@Sgeo Rebol doesn't really concern itself that much with things as petty as money.
@RebolBot
probe money
 
11:33 PM
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; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/script-no-value.html
>> probe money
*** ERROR
** Script error: money has no value
** Where:
** Near: try load/all join %/users/try-REBOL/data/ system/script/args...
 
See? It's an artifact from a post-scarcity society. (Or maybe a post-apocalyptic one...)
 
I wonder why Reichart couldn't make QTask fly?
 
@Respectech Several conspiring factors; some technical, some legal. Last I checked he was looking at tackling the same market segment with the same plan, but a refreshed codebase that didn't anchor itself to Rebol.
 
I wish I could take the time to set up QTask here. What was the problem with using Rebol for the codebase?
 
Using something really different from everyone else sort of paints you into a corner in terms of your team. The intersectionality of "knows and/or is willing to learn Rebol" plus "really interested in groupware that has cross-browser HTML/CSS/JS interface" isn't all that high; and it's actually probably kind of near zero.
 
11:44 PM
Sounds like the job description was written wrong.
"Really interested in groupware that has cross-browser HTML/CSS/JS interface and additional advanced technologies. Broad software development experience a plus."
 
@Adrian read the updated source .. can't see the problem so need to do some debugging.
 
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