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12:30 AM
@GrahamChiu You can only submit pull requests from forked GitHub projects. So you fork it, delete the file in your fork, and then send the pull request.
 
ok .. so have to fork it
how many forks of R3 do I really need! :(
 
@GrahamChiu There can be only one. :-)
 
And I guess I can't use the github gui to do this ..
I have to bring it to my hard drive, delete it there first ( or learn some esoteric command line )
 
@GrahamChiu Or install SourceTree and enjoy a nice UI.
 
Welcome, @DarrellBrogdon! I haven't seen you before. Is it your first visit to Rebol and Red chat?
 
12:37 AM
@mmcghan If it were, the bot would have greeted him...
 
@HostileFork and it did
just not today
Is @rgchris a ghost? A digital echo of his presence?
@HostileFork .net 4.5, and I get several warnings it may not install properly on my PC
 
@GrahamChiu Hm. I haven't used the Windows version.
 
31 Mb of .net download first
just so that I can delete one file
Gimme Rebol!!
 
You should be running HaikuOS. :-)
 
still waiting on webOS
 
12:47 AM
Hey :) Haven't been here in a while, how is every body doing?
 
we're in a state of despair!
living in a world of .net and other monstrosities
 
I actually like .net :P It has a lot of cool stuff in it, even if the framework itself is extremely tiring and depressing at times.
 
How's dart going for you?
oh yeah .. and the Rebol parser in JS project ? :)
 
Heya @BenjaminGruenbaum. I've been busy but did get around to making some icons for our Android build. We have been enjoying Trello, dunno if you're aware of it...
 
Hebrew University wasn't it??
 
12:50 AM
Yeah, that's kind of stagnating, the guy who is 'in charge' of getting everyone together kind of sucks. He's not returning my emails or phone calls, I've gone to the prof' above him and she said if he doesn't give me what I need by the end of the month she'll take of it herself
That sucks :/
I'm still very interesting in it though
 
well, maybe you get to deal with the prof directly thereafter .. so good in that
 
Yeah, I hope so :)
 
there's a Rebol conference not far from you .. in a small city named Montreal
 
Anyone here a girl?
 
@DemCodeLines Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ
 
12:53 AM
@DemCodeLines you can talk to Rebolbot .. she will chat with you!
@HostileFork - I need a pink icon for rebolbot !
 
@DemCodeLines I am.
 
@mmcghan If I add a girl on facebook (who has been into me for quite some time but only looks right into my eye and nothing more while I occasionally look back but haven't talked yet) and she sees the friend request while hanging out with her friends, will she gossip and talk about me to them or just silently do whatever she wants to do (accept, ignore)?
 
lol
insult upon insult .. now .net wants me to reboot :(
 
@DemCodeLines That depends on the girl. Does it matter?
If she's into you, I'm sure she'll be happy.
 
I don't want to be the center of gossip and spotlight, especially among pretty popular people.
 
12:57 AM
the idea in life is to make as many mistakes as you can as quick as possible to get them out of the way!
 
@RebolBot
do reverse [{@DemCodeLines, every girl loves a Rebol. Be an outlaw! Learn how to use {asymmetric string delimiters} and reflective languages, and she'll be "very impressed" I am sure!} print]
 
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>> do reverse [{@DemCodeLines, every girl loves a Rebol.  Be an outlaw!  Learn how to use {asymmetric string delimiters} and reflective languages, and she'll be "very impressed" I am sure!} print]
@DemCodeLines, every girl loves a Rebol.  Be an outlaw!  Learn how to use {asymmetric string delimiters} and reflective languages, and she'll be "very impressed" I am sure!
 
Can't really use rebelbot over facebook
 
@DemCodeLines Hmm. Not now .. but .. maybe in the future!
 
@DemCodeLines There is a Rebol group on Facebook, you should consider joining.
 
1:00 AM
@DemCodeLines Well, we don't want to turn into the relationship advice room. We're a Rebol room. But certainly I think RebolBot's point above is true...the more you worry about what other people think of you, the less awesome and self-assured you seem. Women can smell fear. Remember: Cool guys don't look at explosions!
 
@DemCodeLines I say to go for it. Life is short, why not take a chance?
 
@RebolBot
print reverse "!kool uoy relooc eht ,ti erongi uoy erom ehT"
 
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>> print reverse "!kool uoy relooc eht ,ti erongi uoy erom ehT"
The more you ignore it, the cooler you look!
 
Well...
maybe i should just go for it
 
@DemCodeLines A leather jacket wouldn't hurt. But as long as you're here, would you like to learn a bit of why we hang out here and evangelize a fringe language all day and night...that's been around for 18-and-some-odd years? :-)
 
1:19 AM
@earl It looks like in Microsoft's world, "x64" is their term for "amd64"...and then there's "ia64". Do you think IA64 needs to be capitalized on rebolsource.net?
 
1:30 AM
Heya @pekr
So speaking of questionable engineering decisions, I've noticed that laptop manufacturers (at least the remaining two who still offer some way to replace hard drives and batteries instead of gluing them in permanently) have a tendency to lay out their systems so that the SATA drives are dropped directly down into a SATA-sized hole in the bottom of the laptop.
 
annoyingly a reboot still does not fix my Firefox which does not show on-hover data for the icon set here
@HostileFork instead of a caddy as 15 years ago?
 
Yet they have the connectors facing down (well, or up, if you've got the laptop upside down). Which means that there's no way to have the SATA connectors touch anything...and there's no ribbons etc.
 
so sata connectors are on the board and plug directly into the drive ...?
 
Therefore, you have to get laptop-specific adapters which convert the connectors to be horizontal...something called an "Interposer HDD connector"
This way, the flat underneath-the-drive SATA connects are turned into horizontal jutting pins, that can slot in just by lowering the drive into the hole.
The sad thing is, people do not know this, and when they throw out bad hard drives they throw them out with the laptop specific adapter still attached, as if it is part of the drive. :-/
Call me crazy, here. But isn't this something the standards committee could have foreseen and--oh, I don't know--standardized?
(In this case, I wasn't the person who threw it out, but I can easily see that I might have been that person.)
Then again, if they didn't pack everything so tight, they could make a slotting interface the way it should be. My Acer does that. El-cheapo Dell did not.
 
Ok Sourcetree is up and running now .. though I had to guide it to my git installation. Perhaps it wasn't standardised
I've already forked it so I guess I need to find a clone command
 
1:44 AM
@GrahamChiu Hm, I thought it was linked against a git binary and shipped with it so you didn't have to separately install git if you didn't want a command-line version
 
nope, it wanted to know where my git binaries were
 
@GrahamChiu Hm. Oh well, you want File->New... and give it the URL of the writable variant off GitHub (you'll have to be logged in to get that version)
 
dunno if I were logged in or not but I pointed it to my fork, and it downloaded. then I found the two files I wanted removed and clicked on the (-) icon and removed them
So, now to figure if I can put a comment somewhere and issue a pull request?
gawd this thing is full of jargon
ok, so removed, committed and pushed to my github repo
 
2:03 AM
@GrahamChiu Note that pull requests are a GitHub thing...not a git thing. You do them from the web interface.
@mmcghan needs to get back to that Git/GitHub document!
 
And finished my pull request .. hope that works!
This is just too stressful for me. Going back to operating on patients
 
@GrahamChiu Heh.
I found it funny how hard film school and welding were. I was like "um, can I go back to engineering? that was easier. or at least, less physically strenuous."
 
this doc seems to suggest I should have named my branch to other than master ? help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests
 
@GrahamChiu There are many options for working models, but that's how we've been doing it...naming each branch for whatever bug or issue it fixes. I wouldn't worry too much in this case: if it's deleting a file then raising the desire to see a file deleted is probably obvious.
 
Now to see if I have time to tidy up their headers so that they are consistent
So, this is what we should be doing for the whole of rebol.net ?
And rebol.org ?
 
2:15 AM
I think that having the website as a versioned body of code is a good idea, yes.
There's no real reason to have the source for the site or documentation be closed-source. We assume it's going to be mostly Rebol-formatted data. I don't know if we want to bank on an R3 Cheyenne or go with FastCGI or a Mod_Rebol.
Would be interested in what @DocKimbel thinks.
 
Cgi could be kept for comments etc
But docs should be static and perhaps placed into a repo
 
2:37 AM
@pekr Missed this heated attack on my feeling that the GUI will not fly with the general public. While I think that a graphical dialect is one of the many interesting dialects for Rebol, the attempt to reimplement a cross-platform UI is not going to fly well with the general market.
I don't base this on Rebol experience in particular. I base it on watching all kinds of interesting experiments... like Squeak or what-have-you...compared to the success of things like the iPhone interface.
And for what it's worth, I think my lack of presence on AltME adds to my credibility rather than detracting from it.
I'd ask Rebol to get its sea legs on general language coherence first. Rebol has already gone through the crawl-before-you-can-walk phase. Now it needs to focus on walking before it runs, or breaks the sound barrier, or whatever. That means focusing on getting the core bits right...the portions of the code where the rest of the world has built a solid enough set of abstractions that Rebol need not reinvent any wheels.
I find it questionable that R3 should be diving into GUI before it has even gotten a viable cross-platform terminal interface. There are just too many basics to sort out, and a half-baked GUI might win over a few people who are already in the community and die-hards...but I'm thinking more of building a proper and sustainable open governance model and seeing the ecosystem grow.
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Ok made some more changes and now it says I already have a pull request open on master :(
 
@GrahamChiu Thought you were going to make a branch! Well, you do...so if you push more into master that will just be rolled into your existing request. If you didn't want that, and you wanted to make a separate commit that wasn't dependent on your prior one, then you needed to step back to the previous commit and branch off. Then they could be picked and chosen independently.
 
sigh
 
It's actually rather sensible, because it is rather simple. Unfortunately, Git's underlying filesystem-like mentality means that it leaves a lot up to people what to do with it. It's more a build-your-own-version-control toolkit than being specifically prescriptive.
I understand it mechanically, I just don't know how I'm supposed to use it when working with others sometimes!
 
So I rename my master?
or do something else?
 
2:49 AM
Well, you have this branching structure...it's like the first version is the root of a tree, and every time you go off in a new direction from a given snapshot you create a branch.
If you want to go back in time to a previous commit, you use "checkout"...and any changes you do after you've gone back in time will be creating a new "branch".
You have to name that branch at the time of creation, because that name identifies the split point. So if you make a few changes, commit them, then check out the old version and start making new commits...the branch name identifies that juncture and hence is a way of tracking up to the latest commit on that lineage.
If you didn't put the name into the file there, then you'd always have to speak of the commits by their individual ID numbers. You couldn't just say "give me the latest on branch bugfix-201"
You don't want to rename master, because master is correspondent to the master branch that you cloned. You want to submit your patches as new branches in their own right. Not that it isn't possible to just do as you have done and offer up a suggested change to master... but when you do it that way, it limits you because let us say you have many patch sets (commits) to offer up: A, B, C, D. The integrator wants to accept A, review B for a while, reject C, and accept D.
The easiest way to do that would be if you made each its own branch...*if* those patch sets are all independent. But if patch E depends on changes you made in D then it would have to be branched off of it.
 
oh well, I guess I just wait till they accept my pull requests now
but that was a helpful explanation !
So, once they've accepted a pull request I can delete my local branch?
 
3:29 AM
@HostileFork the issue is that people working on the GUI are not necessarily the same as working on the core language. It's unrealistic to ask one to halt work and wait on someone else first.
Development is not necesarily a rational process
 
 
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4:33 AM
@rebolek is there an accessor to access the value of the v-scroller in the scroll-panel ?
 
5:22 AM
@GrahamChiu Nup, am in Peru—guess I left a browser tab open at home...
 
You're in Peru now? Playing football?
See Jeff Minter there?
 
Only hints...
@GrahamChiu Yes, for another few days. No, did not bring my boots.
 
Sounds interesting ...
 
5:39 AM
It has been. Spent the last few days as a tourist in Arequipa/Colca Valley. Very nice, not easy on someone afraid of heights though...
 
testing yourself?
 
Hoping that I wouldn't be tested (I was).
 
5:57 AM
This morning climbed up to a pre-Incan fort just to the left of center on this image. Opens out over the Colca Canyon. Very steep sides on the path. Just about recovered. Saw some condors :)
Anyhow, late—off for some sleep...
 
And they saw you?
 
I assume so.
 
tourist ... easy pickings :)
 
Never thought about that, you have a point...
 
Reminds me of Pisac
Peru is beautiful, but not great with vertigo
 
6:34 AM
Ok, this is odd
>> save/all %test.txt [ 1 2 3 ]
** Script error: encode does not allow block! for its data argument
** Where: if save
** Near: if lib/all [
    not header
    any [file? where url? where]...
>> save/all %test.r [ 1 2 3 ]
>>
works fine ... the issue is the %.txt
@johnk ohh .. I see what you mean by heights
 
@GrahamChiu Just a few hours down the road from Colca Canyon and worth it for the dizzying views
 
I might just pass ...
 
6:51 AM
@GrahamChiu Looking at the source to save something special goes on for certain file types (possibly unicode related?)
@rebolbot do print file-type? %sdfsd.r print file-type? %fsfsdf.r
 
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>> print file-type? %sdfsd.r print file-type? %fsfsdf.r
none
none
 
Er .. on my mac that is
`>> file-type? %sdfsd.txt
== text`
I meant ...
@rebolbot do file-type? %sdfsd.txt
 
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>> file-type? %sdfsd.txt
== text
 
hmm.
I didn't realise it did this
 
It seems to use encode before it saves the data. One more for the list of r2 to r3 changes
 
6:57 AM
Is Brett or someone else tracking these?
 
It is described in the help string "Where to save (suffix determines encoding)"
@GrahamChiu Great idea. Brett has the best list yet codeconscious.com/rebol/r2-to-r3.html, but it would be better if we were able to edit and add wiki style.
Have we picked a good place for this yet? There was discussion about using rebol.org which makes a lot of sense to me.
I am thinking of just extracting all of the help strings and diffing r2 and r3 to pick these up more automatically
 
We don't really have access to rebol.org unless someone approaches Gregg
 
7:16 AM
Other suggestions?
 
Use github
Robert just recently opened a new repo for the docs .. we could use that?
@RebolBot find saphir
 
See the last link
 
I'll try to have a look tonight. TTYL -J
 
It's a start for docs .. we might as well contribute
 
 
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1:27 PM
@RobertShifflet Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ
 
 
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7:48 PM
@HostileFork Yep. IA-64 / IA64 is the commonly used architecture codename.
 
8:33 PM
Doesn't look like robert is rushing to accept my pull requests. Did I do something wrong?
 
@GrahamChiu No, just have a bit of patience :)
(But you could close the first pull request, since it is fully contained in the second.)
 
fair enough
 
9:13 PM
took me 3/4 hour but figured out how to close my request
 
 
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10:35 PM
Ok we have a challenge of porting Carl's gui demo rebol.com/r3/demo.r to the latest builds of R3GUI!
 
10:45 PM
dockimbel "After several hours of fight, I finally got my first non-crashing Red apk running on Android. :-) Now let's see how JNI is doing..."
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@GrahamChiu More icons. Sigh.
 
@HostileFork How hard can a red circle be?
 
11:33 PM
How about Font Awesome for icons? fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/icons It seems to be quite openly licensed. Would that save some time?
 
@johnk @HostileFork is just kidding! He means an icon set for the Android store for Red as he made the icon set for R3
 
@HostileFork kidding around? Never :-)
 
@johnk My proposal for the Red icon is, at last check, considered Nenad-approved. Just needs a bit of a more formal treatment.
 
11:51 PM
Nice
 
@johnk Some progress being made in experiments, not by me...
I'd like to see that done back to full red and with the proportionality as originally intended.
Interesting otherwise.
 
I have been looking at the console code and ways to improve it. It looks like there is no concept of console width and it is surprisingly tricky to find in a cross platform way
I will continue my research ...
@HostileFork I like the concept though
 
@johnk I think that it's one of those cases where in order to act on the Rebol philosophy of "not including bulky dependencies", each platform will have to be coded separately. There are libraries, but I think the abstraction level they bring in would be considered too heavy...
On Windows, there's a very specific console API.
 

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