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12:06 AM
@HostileFork I was looking at ioctl TIOCGWINSZ although it does not seem to cover all situations. My guess is that if we can get the width we should be able to get multiline working ok (but I could be wrong). Tab completion seems more interesting as I have no idea how to hook back from the console to a list of words. I did at least manage to modify it to trap the tab char, but there is a long way to go ...
 
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Q: Getting terminal size in c for windows?

Dr BecoHow to check ymax and xmax in a console window, under Windows, using plain c? There is this piece of code for linux: #include <stdio.h> #include <sys/ioctl.h> int main (void) { struct winsize max; ioctl(0, TIOCGWINSZ , &max); printf ("lines %d\n", max.ws_row); printf ("columns %...

@johnk Seen that?
 
12:27 AM
@HostileFork No, good find
 
12:39 AM
@johnk I gather that you could get the window handle associated with the console, and then hook its resize events...as a way of getting notifications when the window resizes. msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…
Although there seem to also be "WinEvents" and Layout changed: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…
 
 
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5:21 AM
@Brett are you collecting differences between R2 and 3 ?
 
 
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6:47 AM
@GrahamChiu As I notice them yes.
 
I dunno what save expects as an argument if the file extension is %.txt
Perhaps it's just illegal
 
Yes it looks a bit unhelpful.
I would have thought [save %test.txt {some text}] would work.
I consider my r2 to r3 difference page temporary. If there's a better place for the information I'm very happy to move it and link to the new location.
Maybe the problem with save is just a bug?
 
guess could post it to CC
 
You probably should post it to CC. Even that ticket I listed expects string to be able to be saved as far as I can tell.
Oh hang on. Rereading that ticket description, it appears to be by design.
 
7:11 AM
Perhaps save to a text file should just mold the rebol values
 
I would have thought so, but I don't fully understand what that ticket description is saying about "Rebol source", what the allowable formats are now. Sounds complex...
 
rebol source is binary because of unicode.
 
7:26 AM
Unicode, is something else I have yet to get my head around.
@GrahamChiu There is some discussion about this here: issue.cc/r3/1632 :-)
 
@Brett Oh yeah ... read that before
 
8:21 AM
@Brett .. this was just published github.com/saphirion/documentation/blob/master/r3/whatsnew.mdp to list changes from R2 to R3
 
 
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11:42 AM
@GrahamChiu Should accept a string!, but that doesn't work: that's a bug.
@GrahamChiu issue.cc/r3/2028
 
posted on May 26, 2013 by abolka

[Bug] Trying to ENCODE using the `'text` codec (such as during SAVE to a file with the %.txt extension) causes an error. (Originally reported by Graham Chiu on StackOverflow Chat.)

 
 
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3:51 PM
woo first time I "hired" someone on www.fiverr.com. Has anyone tried that site before?
 
@graph Hmmm, hadn't seen it. Are you getting your your name written with tennis balls in a tennis court for $5? That's a pretty good deal.
 
so someone somehow agreed to make me 5 illustrations to my specifications for 5$
so I think there are many people willing to work for cheap. It's a flaw in the economy if qualified people have time and willingness to work left over and are not getting to use it
there's also a lot of fun stuff like the tennisball example. why not
 
Well, I didn't get paid for making Android Rebol Icons. Money isn't the only motivator.
 
you could have had this done for you though
I think graphics-people are usually eager for getting practice and freelance work in general
 
I'm kind of picky, and as I've said before, my skill is kind of at the upper edge of what a volunteer would generally do. Real graphics and icons, that work well on multiple backgrounds (and don't look crappy) cost money. You can get something bad for cheap to free.
 
4:01 PM
I'm picky but my graphics skills are nonexistant
If I get good results from this one guy I'll show you
I have placeholders from a google image search and want some real pictures good enough for me to keep dreaming and stay pumped when I look at the thing
 
Well, good luck. I volunteered to draw things for people when I was starting out. But it takes a while to get good. If you have a chance, BTW, see the movie Helvetica...watched it again a couple days ago.
Got some programming I need to do today. Yawn. Better get to it!
 
a movie about a font.
well it's awesome that, as a hardcore programmer you've also wrapped your head around and fully embraced the visual, graphic and design aspect (general and computer related). For me it's still a different continent and this shows in my conversation with my designer. We need a translator / diplomat!
 
@graph I think all programmers should get some practice with graphic design. If you cannot logically cohere a two-dimensional layout with no moving parts as a design, you have no business building invisible machines with tons of moving parts that exists in infinite dimensions.
 
agreed. But actually learning the tools of the trade is a terrible prospect.
Photoshop, video editing etc all comes with huge complicated programs
Also, be honest, deep down, don't you secretly rate programming/engineering as the better, more important, harder input for the project?
 
I think that if one doesn't care about design at all levels of a project, it indicates you probably don't care about design enough to do any part of it well. But as mentioned above, I kind of consider being able to do a solid 2D graphic design a prerequisite to being able to design a good software architecture..
 
4:16 PM
I'll take that to heart @HostileFork
 
@graph Gonna run, but you can take a look at an article I wrote a while back about the value of sketching: Roughing Out and Refining A Cartoon Character Logo
 
cool @HostileFork
 
 
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8:00 PM
posted on May 26, 2013 by no-spam

It's time to say a few words. Let me set-up some context. We like to do that in Rebol, right? First, I'm still very interested in Rebol. I'll admit that I've not had any time to participate in R3 advancements, but from what I've heard, it sounds like good things are happening. I apologize for not being more involved. I feel like I've broken a promise to the community to not just open source

 
8:29 PM
Carl speaks...
 
hmm. "I also hear there's a Rebol conference coming up this July in Montreal, Canada. I'm hoping to be able to attend. More on that very soon." is not the same as I've already booked air tickets!
 
9:26 PM
@GrahamChiu Well still no page, maybe he doesn't know when it is! :-/
 
Where was that $5 site again?
Chris is in the Andes so won't be working on the website!
I've started some work on porting Carl's R3 GUI demo but it's slow going due to all the changes and lack of working documentation github.com/gchiu/Rebol3/blob/master/scripts/demo.r3
All the reactors need to be changed to on-action
group to h or vpanel
oh .. dog wants to walk!
 
 
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11:44 PM
@GrahamChiu The web site should be up soon—Max has the keys but as I understand is not quite ready to publish...
 
Had a ride on a Llama yet ?
@rgchris do you have a pretty print routine? Or should we just use the one on rebol.org ?
 
@GrahamChiu Sadly that will not happen. Didn't happen in the mountains, and I'm in Lima for the remainder of my time here.
 
oh well, maybe you can try yak stew
 
@GrahamChiu Which pretty print on rebol.org?
 
Carls
 
11:51 PM
@GrahamChiu I tried a little Alpaca burger in addition to some other Alpaca meat combinations. Burger was good, otherwise meat too tough...
 
@GrahamChiu I guess so...
@GrahamChiu No, I just have a minify script.
 
Ok, I'll use theirs
Just trying out R3GUI and it seems Carl's original GUI works pretty well.
 

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