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12:16 AM
@SodAlmighty you can fix those using this from the bazaar r3 gui
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@SodAlmighty the R3 gui is quite different from the R2 VID dialect
 
Yeah. The examples still won't work even with your code there.
 
try the examples on r3gui.com and if they don't work I'll try and fix them
these docs were primarily written by Carl but there have been changes since then which are not reflected in the documentation
 
Righty ho, I'll take a look. Thanks for the help guys, but I have to be elsewhere now. I'll be back tomorrow I expect.
 
@SodAlmighty Seeya then...!
 
waves
 
12:25 AM
top down bottom up .. use the gui to write core code :)
 
 
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1:33 AM
Ok, got my draggable button working now gist.github.com/gchiu/5617487
I've visited other chat rooms here .. and mostly they ignore you!
So, let's keep up on welcoming people :) ( even if most of them got here in error )
 
@GrahamChiu Persistence and consistency pays off... sometimes. Still need some turnkey stuff to get people excited... but when they do come, we'll have a pretty solid system going here.
 
1:52 AM
The thing I like about the gui is that it's instant feedback
people like to build things
The gui is in better shape that I thought it was from when I last tried it
 
Well it doesn't really tell the cross platform story at this point, I personally dislike Windows
 
did you read that interview with Alan Kay?
 
No...
 
A conversation with Alan Kay: queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1039523
Gregg posted this link on altme
 
I'm not all that hip to Smalltalk, though I tinkered with squeak a bit. I like answering esoteric things.
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A: How to use the mousewheel in a Squeak / Morphic GUI

HostileForkAppears that on VM implementations that have chosen to support it, Squeak maps the mouse wheel to Ctrl Up-Arrow and Ctrl-Down-Arrow key events. For instance, on Win32 in sqWin32Window.c: if( WM_MOUSEWHEEL == message || g_WM_MOUSEWHEEL == message ) { /* Record mouse wheel msgs as CTRL-Up/Dow...

 
2:04 AM
so every 5 years rewrite the language .. guess we're on time
for Rebol4!
 
Let's get this task item sorted out, eh? Then we can talk about what the sequel to Rebol 3 will be. The name is the least of the worries.
 
2:23 AM
Well, maybe doc and his team can have a powow on this in Montreal
Are Kaj and Peter Wood going??
 
@GrahamChiu It's all unbeknownst to me, still waiting on the website...
 
@HostileFork I just don't understand the delay .. a wordpress site would just take a few minutes. Front page even.
 
2:40 AM
@GrahamChiu Incomprehensible delays are a Rebol cultural trope. One that should be excised :-)
 
2:55 AM
@HostileFork It's not incomprehensible at all.
the past predicts the future
 
@GrahamChiu I always heard it as "Past Performance is not an Indicator of Future Results."
 
@HostileFork Stock market??
 
Greetings.
@GrahamChiu What version of R3 are you using for that (draggable button) Graham?
 
>> rebol/version
== 2.101.0.3.1
 
I tried it on saphiron-view, but it did not like stylize
 
3:11 AM
eh?
I'm using their build as well
 
>> stylize
** Script error: stylize has no value
Maybe you are calling something else into your environment?
 
load-gui
 
Oh
Is that some special R3 trick?
Works now. Ta.
I see the description for load-gui. I see it's a saphirion thing.
 
the gui enabled exe has to load the gui first
the gui is based on Carl's work .. and reworked for "business" use
 
Ok. Any tips for learning this gui for R3, I'd like to get my parse highlighter thing working for R3 eventually?
 
3:18 AM
I mentioned the gui demo earlier today
do https://raw.github.com/angerangel/r3bazaar/master/builds/windows/demo.r
 
Ah thanks.
 
we used to have a user.r script that loaded when Rebol started .. dunno if that works still. But if it did, could load all that gui stuff
 
I tried a user.r script, but didn't have any success. Will need to read the source I guess.
I caught up with @johnk over a meal last night. Was great to chat about rebol in person.
 
Nice
Don't know any rebolers here ...and the few we had have disappeared
 
Pity. Maybe they'll come back when R3 get's over the line.
 
3:27 AM
I'm not sure where that line is drawn
Perhaps a nod from Carl ? :)
 
Maybe we should just draw it and invite him to move it.
 
You'll get disappointed
Still, Montreal promises that things might happen
Montreal = rebol conference that Carl has said he will be attending
 
@GrahamChiu Wouldn't it be nice, if a draft list was presented at Montreal.
 
wanna start ?
Carl made a comment on his blog that he thought things were close
but I don't know how much he is aware of what needs to be done still
@RebolBot blog
 
@GrahamChiu His making 3 a 3 was sensible I thought. I guess that's what I mean, an answer to that question.
But I don't see on the Trello board an item for answering that post - perhaps I'm wrong?
 
add it?
 
@GrahamChiu I'm not a member yet, but it makes sense I think. More important I guess, is how to collate a list.
 
But I'm not the one working on the language like BrianH, earl, and the saphirion group
 
Yeah I know. I'm not sure how getting people to come together on that works.
 
3:46 AM
so, we could have as many lists as we like .. but it's those language developers who will ultimately decide
Saphirion are driven by their commercial work .. and everyone else have jobs
 
@GrahamChiu Exactly.
 
anyway, if those guys want to draw up a list that they're going to follow .. so be it, we can't dictate to them
 
True. But Carl's outline makes so much sense. Getting to a milestone, then allows documentation etc to be finalised too. Then there is something reliable to attract people in to Rebol.
A perception thing.
 
I'm not sure that much is going to change from now to a 3 release
hopefully the gui will not needed to be loaded each time though
 
@GrahamChiu You mean the language? If so good, then it's just bug fixing?
 
3:55 AM
Mainly bug fixing
A few things are missing .. like a timers
device
but that can be worked around
 
So it's just a matter of fixing nearly two thousand bugs in curecode? :-)
 
No
Languages are released all the time with bugs :)
 
True. So may just the bigs ones.
 
Actually I'd suggest just releasing it now as is .. a core and a view version
I don't see the point in waiting
if we name it now .. it's just a perception thing
 
I think any crashes should be dealt with, it is never nice to see a crash.
 
4:04 AM
we still have crashes in R2
 
Possibly, but my experience of them is rare. It could be I'm subconsciously avoiding them.
 
I haven't seen many crashes in R3
rebolbot is a long running R3 process that doesn't crash
 
I see you point, but if you get a bunch of new people in, you probably don't want them scared off by crashes, since they'll be trying all sorts of things.
 
Um. How many crash reports in CC ?
 
Actually the number of crashes in curecode in the worst serverity report isn't that many.
About 33 in the "worst severity" report.
 
4:10 AM
Calling r3 alpha is I think a disservice
 
If the cross-platform crashes were dealt with first, then maybe a release is the way to go.
I've only come at this recently. The "alpha" causes uncertainty in my mind. I think "what is going to change?"
 
and then that brings us back to updating the Rebol.com site
 
But if as you say nothing is going to change much. Then that gives more confidence.
yes back to the docs.
There's probably already been heaps of discussion, but I'd suggest that rebol.net and rebol.org should be the main entry points, rebol.com could represent any commecial interest Carl maintains.
 
Sunanda was looking after rebol.org but he's withdrawn now so I don't know who is looking after it
 
Gregg popped in the other day saying he was adding a link to rebol.org, so I guess he is the man.
Hmm, just trying a few crash reports in curecode. Some are still problems, one here is not a problem, so I wonder how up-to-date curecode is.
 
4:27 AM
I guess it also depends on whose builds you use
 
Ahem.. Yes..
Do you know if curecode bugs were used in Ladislav's test script?
 
I think they have some fixes in those builds which are not reflected in cc
 
@GrahamChiu Hmm
 
The aim is to migrate from CC to github
earl is planning on this
 
Oh ok. Presumably github will allow tracking the problems better against different builds?
 
4:38 AM
I don't know. Saphir builds are not on github
anyway, CC should reflect main line builds
 
I see that the test framework is incorporating cc bugs so that's cool.
 
I've never used it.
 
Test framework documentation: rebol.org/art-display-article.r?article=n28vx
 
@Brett @BrianH answered the question about user.r before in this room chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/291?m=9149463#9149463
 
@johnk Ah cool. Thanks that will help considerably. :)
 
4:44 AM
inconvenient
 
Why?
 
@Brett Yes, a nice meal with a fantastic view over the Sydney harbour :-) It was great to get into deep discussion about the rebol world. It is a pity Montreal is so far away from Oz
 
@johnk Indeed.
 
next Rebcon could be in Sydney
 
:-)
I have no organisational skills, so I'll leave that to @johnk
 
4:48 AM
Get Allen, Ashley etc to attend
 
That's true.
Haven't heard of them in a while.
Who was the etc?
 
can't think of his name
Anton Rolls
 
Ah of course. Anton.
Good to chat, time to be a virtual parent for a few hours. :-)
 
@GrahamChiu Who knows .. :)
 
5:14 AM
@Brett most of the bugs in CC had already been fixed years prior to the open sourcing, and were marked as such. Some of them are likely going to be rejected, or would be easy to fix, but are waiting on community consensus in some cases. There aren't as many bugs as you might think.
For that matter, I had to go over some old bugs that were previously fixed but which since have been obsoleted by design changes - we didn't really do that much in the old days. I don't really know whether you can do that kind of thing with Github issues. Fortunately, I'm getting a crash course on git and github, since we use that at work. Yes @earl, even the command line stuff :)
 
5:39 AM
@GrahamChiu I haven't got time yesterday, have you solved your drag'n'drop problem?
I've updated the drag'n'drop gist to show how it works gist.github.com/rebolek/5618033
 
5:54 AM
@rebolek yes, I got mine working fine
well except when I resize, the dragged object returns to the original position :(
@rebolek ah .. I see yours is a drag and drop demo
https://gist.github.com/gchiu/5617487 mine
 
@GrahamChiu You must change show-mode to fixed so your face is ignored by resizing.
 
Ok. That sounds right!
@rebolek do you know if we can have a background image?
 
6:09 AM
@GrahamChiu Theoretically yes. I'm not sure if there's direct support.
 
so never got implemented?
 
There was no need for it. So I guess if it wasn't part of Carl's original design, it's probably not implemented.
 
It's mentioned in Carl's r3 gui docs though
 
Hm, then it's maybe there, I just never used it :)
 
There's no example so I was thinking maybe it just wasn't done
 
6:27 AM
I'll try to investigate it bit today and write some example.
 
thanks
 
 
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7:32 AM
@pierre ... ever thought of translating your red tutorial to englais ?
 
7:55 AM
@rebolek I have an image in a scroll-panel, and I'm creating fields which I drop on top of the image. I have these set to show-mode: 'fixed. But when I use the scroller on the scroll-panel, my new fields don't move. Do I have to hook up the scroller on the scroll-panel to adjust the vertical displacement of these new fields as well?
I would have thought since they're part of the scroll panel they should also move ...
 
8:12 AM
@GrahamChiu yes, of course
Hello, RedBolers!
 
there's a shortage of tutorials on red and red/system
 
@GrahamChiu It is fairly easy. The thing is, it was just started: I would like to have something consistent, well-written, coherent; afterwards, it is very easy to put it in plain English, or Spanish, I could do both.
Unfortunately, business is VERY difficult at the moment, and I don't have much time...
 
oh well, maybe we can get someone fluent in french/english to translate
 
@GrahamChiu Absolutely. And my point of view, which I explained on the French forum, is that:
 
Eg. Kaj does a lot of work ... but his stuff is opaque
it needs to be interpreted
 
8:15 AM
I have a hard time stepping into Red. I don't really know how to start, where... I did the hello Red world, many times...
but to go further... something is stopping me.
So I would like to have a tutorial.
Is it not there? So I write it. And in my mother tongue, to start with.
 
@pierre - because there is not much usefull features yet, you could use, in Red. Red/System is rather complete, but it is mostly a wrapped C by REBOL like syntax.
 
@pekr, time for you to write tutorials!
I don't know C myself
 
@GrahamChiu I guess so. Fixed mode means fixed in absolute coordinates. BTW, why do you place your fields using absolute coordinates?
 
There are PLENTY of things going on, on the Red side! But documentation for a newbie, so few...
 
Red still lacks e.g. objects, which are needed for I/O and also parse. And no I/O means - no networking, files, etc.
 
8:18 AM
@rebolek I'm placing the fields over a bitmap .. as a form
so the bitmap has all the instructions .. it's a PDF converted to a PNG
so I need the fields exactly over the original fields in the bit map so that I can type into them
 
@pekr Yes. I have the feeling that I could begin writing really useful apps in Red and/or Red/System. Most, if not all, bricks are there.
 
so first I get the positions by using mouse to drag fields, checks etc over the bitmap, and then I can use proper fields etc to type into
 
@GrahamChiu by the way: does anyone knows if there is a multilingual facility in that github wiki?
 
@GrahamChiu Ah, OK. It can be done with R3GUI, but it's main purpose is to do resizing layouts automatically, not fixed layouts.
 
not aware of any .. it's not like wikipedia
 
8:20 AM
@GrahamChiu - I don't know C myself too. But most probably I could learn it. And IMO Red/System is better than R3 extension model, because it does not push you into the C land. I do remember Carl asking me privately, why ppl did not come with many extensions? That might be the answer, although e.g. Oldes stated, that R3 extensions are rather easy to use.
OTOH I remember some ppl asking for improved R2/DLL interface for R3, and there was also bounty collected, something like 650USD IIRC, but noone took it further ...
 
@rebolek I'm nearly there .. just need the manually added fields to move inside the scroll panel
I guess in a way, it's like writing an IDE
 
@pierre - so as for Red, we still need to wait. Right now Doc is focused on JAVA/JNI Android bridge, once done, objects, errors and I/O are next. Most probably Gabriele will bring-in parse ...
 
@GrahamChiu I guess you could write actor for it that will scan all sub-faces and changes their position. Maybe you can ask @Cyphre and @Ladislav to add new show-mode mode (absolute or so) so it can be done automatically.
 
ok
it works fine in rebgui/vid
I'm trying to rewrite in r3
 
fixed wasn't there, until I requested it, all layout was done automatically. So I think other modes can be added in future.
 
8:27 AM
we need more people writing GUI apps so we can see the limitations of the current code base
 
@GrahamChiu welll... good point, actually: we may just as well put such a tutorial (and other Rebol/Red documentation, by the way) on wikibooks, for instance. I can see some tutorials are there: fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Pyogre/Basic_tutorial_1
 
@GrahamChiu Exactly.
 
We have a rebol wikibook
 
This place has a bit more visibility, for a profane potential user, than github or some mysterious www.redbolbestdocumentationlatestproject.org, which may get outdated/unmaintained very quickly...
@GrahamChiu hey! excellent!
 
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/REBOL_Programming
 
8:33 AM
@GrahamChiu Ah, I remember now; I came across it, once... Also this page: fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programmation_Rebol/Introduction
 
the book now needs reorganising for R3 and R2
 
@GrahamChiu Hm. Yes.
 
 
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12:15 PM
If you can enhance R3 editor, pull you request on GitHub
that repository if open, free, welcome to anybody to contribute
I meant it IS open, free, welcome to anybody to contribute
... and to fork it!
 
12:56 PM
@BrianH Thanks Brian. Good to here there are not as many bugs as CC seems to show. Still looks like there are a few crash bugs left though. Do you have a feel for when R3 can lose it's alpha status?
Hi @johnk. My little netbook that I demoed my parse stepper on last night to you, died about 5 minutes ago. rip. At least it did it's job!
 
@Brett Hope you didn't lose anything important! I can give you a hand recovering data if you need
 
@johnk That's kind. No nothing lost apart from about 10 minutes work today. It was just a portable copy of stuff I have on my main machine.
 
Lucky :-)
 
It was 3 years old. The good news I guess is that I can now justify to my wife that I need a new small computer :-)
 
Perfect excuse
Just been enjoying an interesting podcast on concurrency in Clojure infoq.com/presentations/Concurrency-Clojure - There are always so many interesting things to learn about
 
2:00 PM
posted on May 22, 2013 by abolka

[Comment] The _crash_ is a duplicate of #1675: for the crash, problem is not that the directory is empty, it's that the directory filename is specified without trailing slash. However, the "access error" is of course a bug (but no crash).

 
2:22 PM
though 4 years ago I understoud enough the source code to be able to hardcode transparent windows in windows 7. but I wasn t able to insert in rebol r3gui dialect the rafinement to activate and parameters this feature.
So far r3gui still not propose this and that is like a 30 minutes of work. But sure as RMA didn´t received money to do it we will not see it until someone does it for free and then RMA will retake for free that feature...
 
2:34 PM
@shadwolf As Hostilefork has already pointed out multiple times: please take your destructive and unfounded bashing elsewhere.
If you want to have a serious and constructive discussion, that's of course more than welcome. Even if you want to discuss your seeming dislike of the concept open source.
 
Hello, Max! Congratulations for your efforts gathering and concentrating Redbol efforts!
It is true, we may also put the Red tutorial for newbies on rebol.informe.com...
 
2:49 PM
@shadwolf - IIRC, transparent windows etc were really old Cyphre's hack. It lays somewhere in the rebol.org or some other archive. Not sure, it is implemented for R3, but officialy, it was imo not available even for R2?
 
@shadwolf Why should Saphirion focus on transparent windows? Just because you said so?
 
@earl: everytime I will say something you will say that I am a troll? is that constructive?
if you want to be constructive earl say to me look here and there your C bunch of code can be linked to rebol dialect that way.
earl the one bashing is you ... I try to explain the wall of indeference I faced those past 10 years.
@ perk Cyphre made a demo of AGG using transparent popup menu but then we never seen anything implementing that as a possibility. The transparent windows (win32 hack) was my work. but then I stoped when I said I can´ t access to the dialect to implement rafinements and instead of backing me up and allow to fullfill my work you start feuds ...
 
@shadwolf If you want to implement transparency for windows, you won't do it in dialect, but in the window gob! using alpha setting.
R3GUI higher lever dialect is based on top of gob!s and cannot handle window transparency that is lower level.
 
3:06 PM
@rebolek: why should saphirion be the only rebol hope? why saphirion should be doing a port on android of rebol ? why when I try to use my past experience to bring examples of limits I faced in order to come over those limits and be able to finish the task I face "hey you are bashing your comments are irrelevants blah blah"
rebolek wrong I did it using win32 transparency feature. but we are not speaking of the same things I think.
 
@s
 
"why should saphirion be the only rebol hope?" - it isn't. why do you think that?
"why saphirion should be doing a port on android of rebol ?" - because nobody else is doing it. if you want to make your own port, then you're welcome.
 
int translevel = 100; /* 0 - 255 */
SetWindowLong(hwnd,GWL_EXSTYLE,GetWindowLong(h,GWL_EXSTYLE)|WS_EX_LAYERED);
SetLayeredWindowAttributes(hwnd,RGB(0,0,0),translevel, 0x02);
 
@shadwolf - your perception might be wrong - there is not Saphirion, and others. There is only a very small community, where some of us run their business (Saphirion). If there would be no Saphirion, there would be no R3 GUI altogether, so choose what you prefer?
 
now how can I give that C code arguments from rebol using and implementing view rafinements ...
what I want is view/new mywindows /transparent 20 ...
 
3:11 PM
This needs to be added to window handling code. There's transparency(alpha) support in every gob!. However it does nothing with top-level (window) gob!s. If you can implement your code so it will use wgob/alpha then transparency will work for windows in r3
You don't need any new refinements as gob! already supports alpha. It just don't work for top-level gobs (windows) right now. If you're able to add it I guess lot of people will appreciate it.
 
alpha channel is for the content ... that is drawn with AGG ... put you gob at full transparency and you will see an ugly grey backgound because that AGG layer don t have any impact on the win32 stack (borders, real background etc...)
 
yes, and everybody might find it being a usefull addition. Maybe it would be a little work for Cyphre to add, so, who's gonna sponsor it? :-)
 
Why not sponsor shadwolf if he's got some experience with it?
 
rebolek ok so instead of calling it /transparency I will call it /alpha ... but still how I transmit values from rebol to that C bunch of code ?
 
@shadwolf - that's exactly what Rebolek just said. Gobs can be transparent, but they are placed upon the main window, which is not. Imo it would have to be supported in the C level of R3 windowing sources ....
 
3:15 PM
@shadwolf Sorry, I'm not experienced with C implementation of Rebol.
AFAIK gob!s are structs so I guess you will get pointer to gob and read alpha value from there.
 
.... face palm ... be patient shadwolf please ... ok so I do view/new mysplashcreen /alpha 0 /noborder. I am not after monney I just want to do it and use that work to produce a documentation that illustrate how to efficiently insert new code in existing C code and transmit parameters from rebol to it ...
it is for knowledge and because understanding those fine mechanism will open the door to more and more tune up that rebol are missing.
like changing the icons displayed in the tile bar and task bar, like inserting a systray menu bar based on your application icon that allow to pilot a background process like a cheyenne server from a gui interface ...
 
As I said, I cannot help you with C-level code. I have very little experience with Rebol on C-level.
 
stuffs like that that gives the polish touch that are probably so easy to do that the main guns will not spend a minute in that but that can be a play ground for new commers or currious
etc... this is how you set motion in my opinion
 
@shadwolf - Cyphre might answer your question about what is needed to be done in your case. We just need to wait for him to pop-up here. He might provide you with some pointers towards where to look for the code change ...
But - I don't want to speak for Cyphre, as the solution might be more complex and not sure, if he has any free time to devote to that request ...
 
we need people playing with rebol code to find bugs to find new ways to do stuffs using pure rebol code. we need C coders to implements new features and debug or recode part of the existing code that will interact the same way with the rebol frontend. and we need people that will implement finest stuff that need to be implemented in the C backend and in the rebol dialects front end ...
 
3:23 PM
btw - there is tray.r or something like that on the rebol.org, which I sponsored, and Cyphre implemented. There is some pup-up windowing stuff in there too. Maybe you could look it up for some inspiration?
@shadwolf - or we need Red to mature enough, allowing us to wrap stuff in Red/System, which is like having REBOL C wrapper :-)
 
pekr I know rebol2 had /port stuff to interact with systray that work disapeared with r2
Red is more complex in my opinion ... it is a great effort but it is hard to jump in and say I will do this and do it. Though francois jouen have made a great adaptation to Red of openCV library ...
 
no, it was via DLL, I will find it ... that system port stuff was weak and kind of undocumented IIRC
 
so it is not impossible to come to do stuff in red.
 
pekr system/port didnt permit you to change icon that was the most problem as far as I remember but still that code is lost
that code is for rebol 2 ok it is complexe but readable can be a good start point
but can we do that in r3?
I mean R3 interface with library is completly different
 
I still not finished to write the doc how to setup and use eclipse C++ on windows with minGwin gcc to modify and compile rebol 3...
mainly the last problem was with the Makefile ,,, I know it is not totally related and instead of eclipse C++ I could use visual studio express or codeblock
thing is I wanted a sdk that works and looks exactly the same on both windows and linux and use as much possible same backend tools (gcc, ld, make etc...)
the article I know i is in french ... but if you want to participate to it can easyly do it in english we implement that part together and then I translate the result to french
ok english version done... register and edit comment you modifications if you need too ....
 
3:54 PM
@shadwolf I'm not bashing, I'm politely asking you to refrain from bashing. If you consider that bashing as well, I fear I can't do much about it.
But on a more constructive note:
(If you want to know about some implementation details, why not ask for them straight away? That might get you constructive answers quicker than starting with complaining about RMA.)
(Looking up the reference, bear with me.)
 
4:46 PM
reference bar ?
 
 
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7:56 PM
@shadwolf So, back. Sorry for the extended delay.
 
8:07 PM
@shadwolf A good starting point to look is the gob flags: github.com/rebol/r3/blob/master/src/include/reb-gob.h#L36-L50
As you can see, there's already a "GOBF_TRANSPARENT", which sounds like it should/could be used for exactly what you want.
Next step is to check if there's also a canonical internal word for the flag defined in src/boot/words.r, and it seems there is: github.com/rebol/r3/blob/master/src/boot/words.r#L186
So on the Rebol side, all you should have to do is set the transparent flag on your window gob!.
Now of course, this flag needs to be handled on the host side. For that we look into e.g. src/os/win32/host-graphics.c and src/os/win32/host-window.c.
Looking where the other Window-related gob flags are used leads us to Open_Window in host-window.c: github.com/rebol/r3/blob/master/src/os/win32/host-window.c#L265
That's where you'd most likely add your C code handling the GOBF_TRANSPARENT flag, and that'd be it.
 
8:35 PM
@MaxV I note your view.exe requires the presence of two additional libraries. Why is that? Did you build this exe from source?
Is it to do with the compiler you used?
Saphir view doesn't use these two libraries, or perhaps finds them in system folders ?
 
9:17 PM
Has the feed for Rebol SO questions stopped?
 
@GrahamChiu I think the questions feed is still alive, but I was missing the answers feed the other day.
 
Don't recall seeing John's question from yesterday appear here
 
yesterday, by Feeds
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Q: Converting an issue to a string

johnkIn Rebol 2 you can convert an issue to a string with a simple to string! For example, >> to string! #12345-12345 == "12345-12345" In Rebol 3 the behaviour is different. For example, >> to string! #12345-12345 == "#12345-12345" My current solution is, remove to string! #12345-12345 ==...

But I didn't see my answer passing by :)
 
ah.. it was 2 days ago .. well past my memory span
 
:)
 
9:23 PM
Any comment on Brett's question of when we can make R3 beta?
Or was the question R3 a 3.0 release?
 
Depends on what stability promises you want to make with a beta.
API-wise, not crash-wise.
Need to start work on a roadmap sooner or later.
But from my gut feeling, there's only a few design issues that should be shaken out before we can move towards a beta and eventual release with the core.
 
To Do on Rebol3 Community Development
Feel free to add to the checklist I created for this item
 
@GrahamChiu I consider neither item a necessary pre-requisite for a core beta :)
 
That's okay ... items can be removed and added
 
But roadmap creation will involve lots of personal roadmaps ("wishlists") and then consolidating those into bigger roadmaps :)
 
9:33 PM
But I think it would be nice to get to where Rebol2 was at beta
 
Then a R3 beta is far off.
 
did I say Rebol2? I meant Rebol1 lol
 
I have started a list somewhere of major R2 features currently missing from R3.
Fortunately, none of those are release blockers, in my opinion. That is, all those features can be (if still needed) re-added in later R3 point releases.
 
I've started to experience a few crashes now that I'm playing with r3gui .. but I think we're talking of a core and a view release as separate
 
Yes, I think so too.
OTOH, the scheme interfaces need to be battle-tested more extensively. For that, your SMTP and POP3 work is of course invaluable.
That's the fine line to walk here.
 
9:41 PM
and I don't use either these days!
 
@hegemon Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ
 
Hey @hegemon... I generally assume drop-ins haven't heard of Rebol... but have you? :-)
 
Python people normally say "zope"!
@HostileFork add your ideas for the R3 beta release roadmap checklist ... thanks
 
9:59 PM
@GrahamChiu Added my #1, which is still about really nailing down the syntax and naming as agreed between Rebol and Red. It should be as close as reasonably possible to fixed, with only minor things changing between beta and release
 
Which syntax differences are there?
Not having used Red myself
The only thing I remember is that refinements won't be supported ??
 
@HostileFork Will also delay the R3 beta for a while. (As well as limit Red's flexibility in trying new things while it is in pre-alpha state.)
(As well as limit Red's flexibility in trying new things while it is in pre-alpha state.)
 
@GrahamChiu There are some differences in what's legal in a word (e.g. <s>, superman's logo, is legal in Red but not Rebol :-P) There are hexadecimal numeric literals as #'FF, #'FFFF, #'FFFFFF. At present, Red permits Unicode codepoints Rebol does not; this isn't a big deal.
 
@HostileFork "Permits Unicode codepoints" -- what do you mean?
 
@earl Higher than U+FFFF works in Red, up to some other limit. Rebol won't load such files.
 
10:09 PM
Red(/System)'s hex literals are of the form 12345h
 
I remember that but for some reason I thought #' meant something. Either way, there's hex literals.
Personally I'd like to look into what it would take to finesse bignums in Rebol so we don't wind up with any more code assuming a certain number of bits per integer
It's not futureproof to be designing a system that has this churn every time the platform's integer size changes
I don't remember if I put my proposal in CureCode, but it's somewhere in the chat log at least. I'll look back into it
 
10:59 PM
@HostileFork The #' syntax is used in Red internally only to encode Unicode codepoints.
 
@DocKimbel Been a while. Got them mixed up. :-)
In case anyone like @earl knows the answer to this sort of thing offhand...
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Q: How to trap file access attempts with a filter driver (kernel) and offer dialog to allow/deny (user)?

HostileForkI've been looking at Windows's File System Filter Drivers. I started with this "FsFilter" example: http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/43586/File-System-Filter-Driver-Tutorial With effort, I managed to get it built and signed in versions that work on everything from 64-bit Win8 to 32-bit WinXP...

 
11:33 PM
@HostileFork No Windows kernel hacker, sorry.
 

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