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12:08 AM
Two CureCode issues quoted above: issue.cc/r3/1986 issue.cc/r3/2013
@GrahamChiu Sorry, not with it (barely won this evening's soccer match, somewhat out of puff): what do you have in mind? Like a Wiki where each page could use a separate markup language? The limits on what QM can do with markup is the same as the limitations with Rebol.
It depends on the scripts we haveā€”is there a markdown.r?
 
Well I was thinking of a Rebol CMS where we store community documentation. Everyone uses a different markup language so we need to provide choice, and then some cgi scripts in the background convert them to HTML and PDF. They may not, and likely are not, Rebol scripts.
 
Sounds doable.
 
12:23 AM
Much like the github wiki allows for multiple formats.
 
Indeed.
 
If it's doable but too much work, then maybe just use github?
Wikis have to support versioning .. but that can be overcome by using S3 storage which has a versioning option
 
I use versioning for documents in the sites I'm working on.
Local files instead of S3, but S3 is only a protocol away :)
As I said, the tricky part is supporting the formats you want to support.
Markdown, PDF.
You could start with GitHub and migrate to a custom CMS if you want that control.
 
12:41 AM
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@rgchris Could http post using oauth to github and download back as html :)
 
@GrahamChiu Could do. Why not? Or just 'call another language with Markdown...
The FAQ could use a word or two about RebolBot...
 
Hello @qtxie ... writing raw Win32 API stuff eh? I used to do GIS also. Oh, the painful days of raw Windows programming...what leads you to this choice? :-)
 
KK.
1:19 AM
Hello all.
@HostileFork the document that you shared on google docs, is it for new people too?
In that case we might need some kind of introduction, or at least a link to an intro to rebol.
 
@KK. It's not public yet, so don't blog about it. I'm just trying to figure out what direction we want to take it.
 
KK.
Ok.
 
@KK. But yes, if it splits into two documents, more Rebol context would be needed in the first...a small amount.
 
 
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3:16 AM
@GrahamChiu?
 
 
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4:23 AM
I'm trying to take a bunch of old drafts of unfinished blog entries and push them out. Reinforcing that my version of WordPress is so old as to be unusable. But the last thing I want to do is upgrade WordPress. I froze it at the version I installed long ago, and disabled account creation (where most of the vulnerabilities come from).
Now, I could just do what I've been doing for other sites and cave to some Rails or Python/Django solution. But Rebol...sigh. I dunno. I guess I could do some tests.
 
 
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5:45 AM
I thought you were going to try @rgchris's quartermaster
@Adrian still on road travelling
 
np - I was going to ask if you had an r3 that doesn's crash on redirects
I seem to get this now when calling speak
 
@earl has for linux
 
do you know if there was usually a redirect when posting a new message?
 
odd perhaps you have the wrong URL
 
5:55 AM
no, not seen any redirects except when looking at user pages without the slug
 
@GrahamChiu Does it run under R3?
 
Only r3
 
Well, it'll be a long road. :-/ Guess it's time to set up blog.hostilefork.com and do a staging of the scrape. Getting all the old junk out of the WordPress drafts folder now. I'd kind of rather scrape it than do any kind of messing with the database.
But eh. I dunno. I guess I can get some better format out of it. I'll look.
But I need to know all the URLs anyway to know what Google has indexed, and the database won't tell me about that projection, and really what I want to preserve is the projection not the source.
In the form of redirects, and if I have the list of all the URLs then why bother with digging inside of their system? All the data I want is right there, and the comments, and everything.
Hello @user2098587, welcome to StackOverflow! The journey of a thousand points begins with a single rep. :-) Unfortunately with only one point that means you can't chat. Our FAQ has some tips, we'll help if we can...
 
 
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7:56 AM
posted on April 08, 2013 by abolka

[Comment] I fear `number` alone won't do, as this field is also used in other contexts, most notably in port specs. There it'd be `spec/number`, which is a bit nondescript. `port-number` is indeed the better suggestion, and sounds like a good idea to me.

 
8:15 AM
posted on April 08, 2013 by Graham

[Comment] Seems a bit long winded ... how about just port-no ?

 
8:25 AM
In the past I've used port-no forgetting it was actually the less intuitive port-id
 
@GrahamChiu Well, port-num is more like number. I don't personally mind seeing things be written out... this is not something that's typed all that terribly often.
Ostensibly, if you want to be brief, you're using a URL anyway and don't have to type it in. I don't know if saving three or four characters is worth it.
 
In defense, no is a very common abbreviation seen everywhere I look
 
no it isn't. :-)
 
Especially in France :)
 
Well again, remember the whole reason to nitpick against this is the psychological defense against the "port" that most young (or not so young) programmers on the Internet are coming to know. @mmcghan is not a bad test audience, because I really did have to go in and explain the whole breakdown of how domain paths go right to left in chain of command, and then there's the path, and then there's the number, and this was laborious detail to make analogies for.
So it's about that "high road" I speak of. I think it's worth a few characters in the name of something only typed in if you're using a spec block, to underscore Rebol's proper use of canon, because it's an uphill battle these days.
 
8:46 AM
I think that's the point, the people using spec blocks are those more familiar with Rebol .. so why penalize them for the rest of eternity in typing more characters than necessary?
 
@GrahamChiu Because those who are currently familiar with Rebol should be penalized for eternity for making the collective set of antisocial decisions that allowed the world to descend into software chaos. :-)
 
And this from a culture that shortens words by removing characters in the English language!
 
9:01 AM
@GrahamChiu If I haven't already mentioned, I'm sort of held captive here. It's not really a "leave if you want" situation. :-)
 
abbreviations are part of evolution :)
 
Anyway, I'm pushing out old drafts from WordPress so I can do my scrape. Gotta clean em up. Three blog entries published today: A Great Customer Service Experience with Amazon.com, iostreams Re-Examined, Bjarne Stroustrup on the Uniqueness of unique_ptr
 
@GrahamChiu That's another proof that evolution is not a designed process. :-)
 
The first is the result of me being one of those people who keeps his word, albeit sometimes late. :-/ Found a draft of that.
It doesn't particularly benefit me to finish it, other than saying "well, I said I'd do that"
 
Look how the Chinese written language has been simplified to try and increase literacy rates by removing vast numbers of strokes.
So, I similarily argue for abbreviations
 
9:12 AM
I feel like the evolution of language, not on cell phones, has already taken care of much of the abbreviation needs of English.
By leveraging English as it is written and spoken, Rebol can stand on the shoulders of evolution.
"What no do you get when you add three and four?"
For the truly pathological there will be Rebmu
 
we could use f: 80
f is also used as False, and No is a synonym for False
 
Why worry about the paltry length of "port-number"... that's hardly going to save you anything in a sea of appends and length? and all those irritating spaces... I fixed it all for you! So just use that, and we'll make the names of the spec items properly literate. :-)
 
Literate it may be but the chance of wider acceptance is going to be closer to 0 than infinity :)
The fact that it is inside a port spec, makes the use of the prefix "port-" redundant
 
9:31 AM
@GrahamChiu Seemed fine to me, but earl didn't like it because you don't know that an arbitrary spec is a port spec.
 
@HostileFork who's "you" referring to?
 
@GrahamChiu You the person who gets something that's a spec and you don't know it's a port spec and you probe spec and it doesn't say the port-number? I dunno. @DocKimbel do you know what he meant? (Or @earl if you're around...)
 
the scheme might give you a clue :)
 
I'm still just a week into knowing what a "port scheme" or "networked URL scheme" or whatever is. I always used read and write on files and URLs and avoided it.
 
Right, scheme is a mandatory field in a port spec IIRC, so you can infer that's a port from that.
I get @earl's argument, but in practice, I think it won't be a problem, because you can infer that the spec is a port spec from the context (Relative Expressions, the RE in Rebol).
 
9:40 AM
Not following the discussion, but what is wrong with 'port-id?
 
@pekr the argument is in the CC ticket above this
 
@pekr Well hopefully we aren't drawing another cartoon of Porthammed here to inspire your Jihad. But the problem centers, as per CC#2021, on the desire to have Rebol claim consistent righteousness and stem the tide of what the socket people often call "port"
 
I can agree that 'id means usually some kind of handle and is not much intuitive. I am OK with both number, and port-number. Maybe I even preffer the latter, because you usually assign your opened port to some word: server: open tcp://:9001 .... server/port-number
 
except you pretty much only use it inside the spec block
 
10:16 AM
@RebolBot do decode-url tcp://localhost:80/foo/bar?baz
 
@pekr Hm. Well @GrahamChiu's argument goes either way. If you don't use it that much, what problem if it's long? I do agree that things like server/number or conn/number start sounding like some internal thing...back to the "id" problem.
 
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>> decode-url tcp://localhost:80/foo/bar?baz
== [scheme: 'tcp port-id: 80 host: "localhost" path: "/foo/bar?baz"]
 
@HostileFork @DocKimbel ^^
If anything, you can just use "port" within specs. But that would probably be too ambiguous and misleading.
 
@earl Well that's the problem we're trying to remedy in the first place.
To "take back port", as it were.
 
@earl Agreed, "port" only wouldn't be a wise choice for replacing "port-id". "port-number" is the most verbose solution.
 
10:25 AM
" there has been at least one death threat" - :-)
 
posted on April 08, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] "Type names are a special case of the backwards compatibility rules because of the TYPE?/word function" - this may seem off topic here, but TYPE?/WORD is another ad hoc solution to a more general problem. I dislike it since a better general alternative exists. However, the proper alternative: #[datatype! none!] also needs "stable type names".

 
10:46 AM
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A: rebol getting the line in an area by the caret position

Graham ChiuWhen you click into a text or area face, the index into the text there is placed into system/view/caret. So, once the cursor is visible in your area face, you can then grab this caret index, and then calculate which line it is on. However, unless you want users to edit the area face, I would ha...

 
 
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12:19 PM
@HostileFork Wasn't that the arrangement? R2 now, migrate to R3?
 
 
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1:44 PM
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3:44 PM
posted on April 08, 2013 by Ladislav

[Bug] For "snippet" ("small") values of some series types MOLD/ALL doesn't work correctly. See also #1947 and #2010.

posted on April 08, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] In the core-tests suite.

 
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5:42 PM
@rgchris Guess so... just wondering where to start. I have an old Debian Linux running on a virtual server and I can do whatever I want with it, although it's not super fast or high bandwidth. I guess the first thing I'd want to try would be using it for blog.hostilefork.com, which would use prettier URLs than WordPress...and I'd need to redirect any page that had been linked to from the web or knownst to Google to the new place.
My personal view is that rather than trying to start from dumping out the WordPress database, I'd rather get a comprehensive list of all these URLs...because I don't want to reverse-engineer the logic by which WordPress projects the database into whatever URLs it happens to offer. So if I need to go finding that list anyway, I might as well scrape it. But this is just a theory.
The one thing I'd theoretically need would be the non-visible email addresses of people who post comments, which I might want to save somewhere.
Anyway, I was reluctant to do design of any CSS stuff in the context of a WordPress "theme", but I definitely would like a reflowing layout in the new version. I should do a mock up of what I want, but is there any prescriptivism in terms of "QuarterMaster has these rules where it works best"?
 
6:01 PM
@HostileFork Should be relatively easy to have WP generate that list for you.
It probably already does.
 
@earl Hmmm, well that's useful except for the fact that google got it in their mind to index category pages and things too. Look up hostile fork category
 
Of course, Google indexes everything it finds ;)
But you can also ask Google about all URLs it knows for your site, if you set up their "Webmaster Tools".
 
@earl I don't see the page for that. I set the sitemap and everything, and I can see the sitemap. They still seem to second guess me. Where would I find their list?
 
@HostileFork google.com/webmasters/tools -- you've registered and added your site there?
 
@earl Yup, I'm on it.
 
6:16 PM
@HostileFork Hmm, I don't see that feature any more as well.
 
6:33 PM
And another archival unfinished migration of a LiveJournal post from the WP drafts is published, showing me meddling and my prescience regarding the coming of KickStarter in Dec 2007: bribing-jingproject-open-source
 
6:43 PM
@HostileFork Try this: auditmypc.com/xml-sitemap.asp
 
@rgchris If someone were to make a blog in QuarterMaster, is the general intention that your process to make a new post would be "open text editor, write in dialect" or is it designed to be database driven? I have of late felt that I'd rather have my stuff done in source code and managed in Git.
Of course, this means you either "build your site" (to get things like tag processing) or have some sort of indexer.
My dream journal dialect has to be built, and then RSYNC'd. :-/
 
@HostileFork Both? I mean, generally if you were to make a new post, it'd pop up a new post form. Save and it adds it to the database. The new post form can include some helpers depending on what your post source is whether that's make-doc or other...
I don't really like to think of it as a database though, each table is a collection of active records...
(if that's the way you want to do it)
If you wanted to base your models around a filesystem managed by Git, that could be done too.
 
Do you have Skype? Can we set up an appointment sometime when it's convenient to screen share with me so I can see "behind the scenes" just in sort of how you're currently doing things...and get walked through it?
 
Tomorrow evening good?
 
Should work...
 
 
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9:23 PM
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9:34 PM
Hello @Sandeep, are you the Sandeep I just sent mail to? :-)
 
 
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10:43 PM
@HostileFork spamming again?
 

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