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then i'm standing infront of my pc pacing while debating
(I debate better standing and walking around)
Ha, that I can believe.
I think a lot better when I'm on my feet and can move around
standing desk FTW
I'm thinking of converting my desk at home
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@CarrieKendall i hate ads with smiling CEOs telling us how magnificent their company is
but I don't think i'd enjoy standing gaming
> So you've been developing like a beast and your app is finally ready to ship
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19:04
like we can trust them
^ I hate this ad, and it seems to be the one I get most often
@CarrieKendall - you are the greatest, was able to achieve exactly what I was wanting after reading your explanations - bootply.com/131976
@Daniel i already made this for example's sake: jsbin.com/migad/3/edit oh well :P
@rlemon this one also makes me want to kill pizza bears and kittens
guis - totes ditch Bootstrap and go for pure-css
ah lol, still useful though for me to look over - definitely appreciate the help
19:06
i am looking at it now, starred
its very small ( yes, she said that too )
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@Loktar clients + freelance = pain. I think building a product you can sell is the way forward.
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so... you have in english the joke that says... woman: "your organ is very small" man: "no, it's the church that is too large"
@mikedidthis seems like a smart plan, just thinking of a product and actually finishing it/marketing it is hard
@Loktar yeah it is. Its addictive though. Once you get the ball rolling, its when it stops your buggered.
@Wes no we don't have that joke in English
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19:18
xD does it work?
@Wes I think the closest I have heard is: Its like waving a matchstick in the Grand Canyon.
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ahah
One that is common here is "throwing a hot dog down an empty hallway"
but that's more for a woman's looseness than a man's size
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lol
Yep. To be honest, we don't have many jokes about short dicked men, maybe its an italian thing :D
19:25
@mikedidthis lol epic conclusion
> it's like throwing a pencil down a mineshaft
but that generally is bashing the woman
as I said :-)
corrected ;)
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@mikedidthis we are short, therefore organ is on scale. i'm an exception of course
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haah
@Wes sounds like bullshit and excuses if you ask me :D
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this gsap documentation is very unusual and site is just impossible to browse :|
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@mikedidthis our performances are globally known as legendary
haha someone today said "you know, you are what you eat."
I finally got to use "That's funny! I don't remember eating a fucking legend!"
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19:32
ahah
I would star that twice for seizing the moment.
i've been waiting to use that in person for a few weeks now
:)
it was a great feeling.
The smug strut away. Nice.
@rlemon i heard this reply in passing at the office one day: "Your gf must really be a b**** then"
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hahaha
that is also good. but I am dating my bosses daughter, so yea.. MAYBE i'll not use that line at work.
19:34
@rlemon it'd work as a reply
still. not the jokes I wanna make infront of the GF's dad
good point!
19:45
Apparently deleting a comment counts as a vote
I deleted my comment and then accidentally clicked on a vote arrow for another comment as I was moving my cursor within 2 or 3 seconds and it gave me that error message
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19:58
thanks for the hint @rlemon i did it, this tweenshit rocks xD
\o/
can we see?
Welcome to the mute list.
@mikedidthis ugh. ping me tonight I will 100% get this working in this room
I always remember while @ work
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@rlemon not much to see at this moment, just a div moving on a curve xD
20:00
yea
I wanna see!
@rlemon meh no rush, I have to build a box for it anyway as my pc isn't on 24 / 7.
@rlemon you mess Velocity at all yet?
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are you sure? it's one line of code lol... anyway ok
@Loktar not yet. but I should check it out soon
I feel bad I haven't
like, I've viewed the source of his demos. but nothing past that
something I threw together in like 5 mins
its pretty fast
Im going to reduce the slices to 10x10
not sure wtf to do with it yet.. but wanted to at least play with it for a min
20:04
Took a long time for the background gif to load though
@TylerH oh damnit Im hotlinking it..
I shouldnt do that, heh stealing their bandwidth
heh switched it.. but yeah now it needs to load for me as well and it does take a while damn
anyway its a pretty sweet library in closed beta currently
its faster than gsap gasp!
only downside.. it requires jQuery :(
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:)
perfect candidate for Velocity
yeah definitely
maybe i'll write up a flash 404 page as well
20:15
you see his animation demo?
the welcome page or whatever
pretty slick looking
haha so apparently I queue up bad requests and execute them once I get a good one
bleh so bored, I hate creative block
I forgot about that, and I was using the requests to determine when the ports were open (expecting to have bad requests)
now my app listens on the same port like 18 times
lol nice
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hahahaha
every listener is active and working :)
ugh
I don't really see the error
function foo(cb) {
  somefunc(function(res) {
    var value = // some processing on res to get a decimal value
    if( value > 1024 ) { // valid expected value, anything less and it isn't "ready" yet
        // exec command for ssh tunnel
        cb(value); // sends value back for listening.
    } else {
        setTimeout(function() { foo(cb); }, 3000);
    }
  });
}
this is essentially what my code is
foo gets called from an entry point into the module and sets up what I need for someFunc to work.
AHHHHH FUCK
I SEE IT!
the setTimeout is queuing them up isn't it.
20:33
is it getting stuck there
nope
it works.
value is the port I need to ssh with
it is also called back
function start(devicePort) {
	port = devicePort;
	app.listen(port);
        console.log( "IO started and listening on port " + port ); // this fires like 15 times :P
start is the cb()
and because it is listening multiple times .. well.. everything happens multiple times :P
doesn't break anything (that i've seen) but I don't like it
I removed the setTimeout
still doing the same. fuck.
Can I get some recommendations for libraries. Doing a canvas based game that I would like to push to as many platforms as possible. Ideas? Or should I just stick with plain ol html5 and use css3 to resize the canvas properly?
I got no problem with that. Just always keen to find new stuff
20:59
ugh, trying to explain to this guy in my office the difference between using a property in a layout and using that property for a layout. It's not going well.
@TylerH if I am honest, I don't understand either, but I maybe drunk.
Well, take the float property for example
you know you can use it in a layout, which means just using it somewhere in your page to float text around an image for a news article or something
That is very different from using it for your layout, by which I mean applying it to semantic container divs to float them next to each other
@mikedidthis ....
!!beerbros
unite?!
untie
that tie
and relax with a brew
@rlemon I will pass today, its a shandy :D
ohh a GTX 750 Ti for only $150... checks bank account
bye all
@Schoening Do not use any css for game development - stick with canvas and javascript
21:08
eh, can be debated.
I would only set the size of the canvas if I use it.
I'm doing an HTML5 game
while if to use a library or not - depends on you coding skills, time available
@Schoening ohh you misguided sole.
setting the size of a canvas element in css only scales it
Well I can see the issues with it yes
21:08
you need to set the canvas elements attributes height and width
Yeah thats the point though :p
I don't want to have different players have different amount of view
haha no no
rather bigger or smaller game. You dont agree?
21:09
it SCALES the image
so default canvas is like 100 * 200 or something
it just stretches that to your css size
lemmy show you
basically does same that with img tag
@Schoening ^^^
just trying to save you some head-desking
anyway, I'm out for now.
!!afk driving home and shit
wait 1 sec
I was thinking of using that... what is that tag called again.. that checks your screensize
Just figured it would be more neat.. but you are probably right.
@Schoening you mean meta tag?
or @media()
media, thats the one
21:16
@media checks many things - not just screen
I shoulndt be so lazy though. I should just add a couple of extra js lines when the time is ripe for screen sizes
but still - do all you calculations in javascript
the first html5 game i was making was for work
and i was combining css and javascript to make it work
it does work - but it's not so solid
Okay. I leave it. Not an important issue right now anyways
much more important is why my grunt dont work
debug time i guess :)
Yep..
must have something to do with not finding the folders
I would probably have it fixed if I didnt have this on my head!
Okay... is there no way of using grunt on files that are outside the current folder?..
ahh at last
21:59
not sure if this is the room we were talking about building a pc that could do as well as the ps4/xbone for the same price but this was just written april 19th for the curious
they did a nice job including everything, doing 2 builds and showing stats
also second son on the PS4 does look really nice
Yep, they have been hammering the adverts for it over here pretty hard, looks awesome.
I think I played the first one, seemed fun.
The best view / response on gay marriage: givemesport.com/…
eh I disagree :P
> “Which one of these motherf**kers talked to God and God said that same-sex marriage was a no can do? Can you verify? Can you give me some background on that 411?”
I mean.. from a religious stand point its pretty black and white
I don't disagree with this at all though
> “I don’t give a shit if two guys, two gals, guy-gal, whatever it is, I believe that any human being in America, or any human being in the goddamn world, that wants to be married.
Go home Loktar!
haha I'm at home
apparently that site didnt like me copying from it
Ha ha. Yeah I agree with the last statement. I am undecided about the first.
22:08
well I mean in Christianity they use the Bible, and being gay is definitely wrong in it
not sure about sources in other religions though
yeah. One day it won't even be a thing / issue.
I agree
I dont understand the reluctance of allowing civil unions
as long as its consenting adults it makes total sense to allow it to me
Pc on console budget? Did they manage to do it?
however I dont think the Gov has any right to step into a religious institution and force them to do things against their religion, its one of the primary reasons the US was founded
so if a church doesn't want to marry someone, I mean thats on them
@Lorenz yeah actually for $550 the max price of an xbone, and it runs better than the xbone/ps4
Yeah, tbh, why would you want to get married a church who doesn't agree with what you are doing.
22:11
But the church also has a responsibility towards society
@mikedidthis yeah thats what I dont understand as well idk.
but the government should legally acknowledge the union
@Loktar if i'm going to be pedantic. marriage appears no where in the bible. it is a "union .."
The church has a responsibility to its members, nothing more, surely.
SOOOOOO ;)
they can claim rights to offering a "union under god" but not on marriage, that is a legal term.
there are passages that use the word marriage.
22:13
If two people love each other and want to be united, so be it.
Dayum, bible quotes and ere'thing.
@Loktar but iirc (might be wrong) they use the term in a different meaning then we are now
I'm remembering something told to me a long time ago. trying to look up refs now
@rlemon eh not sure really.
but idk, my point is if a church doesnt want to idc
Exactly @mikedidthis, the bible says that marriage is about two people loving each other. If the church negates the right to marry they are saying they don't meet the requisits thus giving them less rights in a society that demands equal rights.
but the government should always recognize it
@Lorenz well if you look at it via actual religion and what the bible teaches its wrong, and thats why Christians have a problem with it
but, that should not pertain to the government at all
there should be a clear seperation
The bible says many things christians don't do
Why must this be one of them, exactly where christians don't lose anything with it?
22:16
I think we are maybe making the same point differently?
Yeah you are. I think
I think people should be left alone to do what they want in their religious beliefs as long as they are not harmful. However I don't think the gov should make laws based on religious beliefs
for example I dont agree with arranged marriages, I think its crazy
but, a lot of people in other countries practice it, so meh.
Yeah, we agree
Marrying via church shouldn't have any legal consequence so the church can decide who to marry, yes.
yeah exactly my thoughts
eh, I can't find proof. maybe I had some smoke blown up my ass.
22:17
I also think polygamy should be allowed
I contract my previous statement.
What happens in the bedroom between consenting adults is none of anyone elses fucking business.
as long as its consenting adults, and the tax benefits are the same as what one couple would receive
@rlemon yeah I agree
@Loktar o/
now man and horse.. crossing the line ;)
I'm close to a moderate on the subject, but I lean towards same sex marriage in this sense. I lean towards the right when they talk about forcing churches to perform it
Unless it's an animal with sufficient proven intelligence that has proven the right to decide by himself... haha
22:20
haha yeah I hate that argument
> If we allow gay marriage, whats next? Men and dogs?!
I've heard that stupid argument so much
dolphins rape us, so I suppose it is okay for us to have sex with them. so long as they make the move first. </sarcasm>
@rlemon you see the screenshot I posted?
from Infamous Second son on the PS4
looks pretty damn nice
Hello guys, I want to use bootstrap ( I know its blah but I don't care about design now) and I wanted to ask is it better to load bootstrap.min.css and bootstrap.min.js which contains all css and js, or to use e.g. only bootstrap-forms.min.css when I need forms bootstrap-navs.min.css when I need navs etc. ?
@Loktar what bothers me is how (imo) it is a clear breach of separation of church and state, but that doesn't seem to mean anything.
yeah its frustrating
22:22
@Loktar also yea, i've been looking at thinking about buying that ;)
same here... been trying to hold out since its $60
but I might give in soon
seems like there is nothing great to play right now
some good games. but nothing I wanna rush home and jump on.
Banished actually is a pretty fun game (if you haven't tried it yet)
@Loktar I don't know much about what the bible says, but if society treats a union of a man&woman as equal as man&man, the church should feel the obligation to do so too. After all we would never allow a religion that doesn't respect humans, would we?
So I'm not sure if we should let the church decide about such a matter.
Uhm, lemme correct that, forgot two words.
yeah I played banished for a bit its really cool @rlemon
@Lorenz eh its not anyone but the religious institutions right to choose imo. Unless people are being harmed in some way
thats a very slippery slope dictating what churches must do, in order to conform to the government
if a church doesn't want to recognize a marriage so be it, thats not hurting anyone. Its when the Gov doesn't recognize it that causes the issue.
like me going to a biker bar and saying they need to allow more parking spaces for cars otherwise I feel offended..
I agree because I don't care about marriage. But I imagine how a gay christian couple would feel when they say they are not recognized as a family, when technically they are.
It's like, can I create a religion that doesn't recognize some people as capable of being humans?
I don't know if I would be allowed.
22:30
yeah you can actually in the US :P
That's crazy :D
I don't think it should be allowed, such a religion.
Only religions that are compatible with the laws in the society they reside in
That causes revolutions
it is like that in some countries, such as some middle eastern and african countries
and the other religions get persecuted
I don't agree in organized religion period. sorry if that offends anyone. be spiritual, believe whatever the fuck you wanna believe to make you happy. I still don't believe in organized religion (in the war starting, hate throwing, tax exemption stand point)
with that, I'll shut up now :)
arguing with a guy on main :)
@rlemon if religious groups don't exist other types of groups form and fill the void
I agree @rlemon, I believe it's too vulnerable to corrupt people.
@Loktar I think other religions are prosecuted for religious reasons
22:37
people always group together and dislike others
Not because the religions they prosecute do inhuman stuff
@Lorenz yeah its generally just because religion A is an enemy of religion B
Yeah it's true, but some religions offers incentives for disliking others, that's where it gets dangerous and exploitable
heh yeah as we see in the middle east, and Africa. leaders there are able to distort religion into a weapon and brainwash individuals to cause harm.
just like Christianity was distorted in the middle ages :/ and used by Popes and kings
And in places where you'd expect a first world attitude, like Russia
22:39
@Loktar hey, I don't think it would ever work with how we as people are today. but that doesn't mean I think it is a good thing or agree with it
The Orthodox has too much saying
I do not offer an alternative.
All i know, is that if churches paid taxes, we'd have a lot less budget problems. They rake in over $100 billion annually, all tax free.
@rlemon oh I know I just think we would have this discussion no matter what groups existed :P
This ^ and the one above it
22:40
@Mastrianni haha I think churches are the least of our problems in terms of budget.
its a small drop in the bucket compared to military spending
strictly speaking about the US
Not as far as the least...
Or money laundries
@Loktar NOT THE FEDERATION OF PLANETS! YOU TAKE THAT BACK YOU SCOUNDREL!
Oh absolutely. We spend way too much.
What I find offensive is when the gov moves money off from science and spends it in church (Spain now)
@rlemon haha
22:41
Or a visit from the pope... fuck me
@Lorenz lol or royal weddings!
@Loktar 2161 baby, it's going to happen :P
don't believe me? it's all written here in this book... checkmate
wish I could be born then man :(
I had this thought, that if we ever colonized mars, it would be inevitable that after a few hundred years or so, we'd be at war between planets.
We'd fight over supplies, or resources, or whatever.
@Mastrianni Team Terra ftw!
nudge a few meteors towards Mars
Space warfare scares me...
22:43
I like to believe that over the long spans of human history we have become less violent and more compassionate, however we have learned how to kill exceptionally well and from long distances, so one asshole can kill a few billion.. so I suppose it is a toss up.
LOL, dude Gundams are gonna be real one day.
@Loktar are you sure you want to be enemy of these guys? img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130613192036/warhammer40k/images/…
Space Warfare is inevitable, unless we somehow stop fighting with each other.
Also my personal unfulfillable dream is to travel around space ala Cowboy Bebop
we are hairy pink war apes man :P
22:44
@Mastrianni who cares. in another 800 000 years we'll all be these:
hahaha
fucking morlocks...
LOL, after all the races combine, and all the fat people and skinny people combine through years of genetics, we will most definitely be green sloppy fat fucks.
haha
Morlocks are a fictional species created by H. G. Wells for his 1895 novel, The Time Machine. They dwell underground in the English countryside of AD 802,701 in a troglodyte civilization, maintaining ancient machines that they may or may not remember how to build. Their only access to the surface world is through a series of well structures that dot the countryside of future England. Morlocks are troglofaunal humanoid creatures, said to have descended from humans, but by the 8,028th century have evolved into a completely different species, said to be better suited to their subterranean ...
^ ref
is a good book if you've never read it
movie was, eh.
I liked it up until they met them
Can't say i've read it, but looks like an interesting read.
22:46
almost everything by H.G. Wells is
sadly i've almost never liked a movie adaption to any of his stories
That's kind of inevitable though. The dinosaurs were around for 160 million years, we've been around for less than a million. Our evolution is still so primitive, we've like smart(er) Neanderthals. We think we're smart, but we're really dumb.
sucks because my GF loves War of the Worlds and I fucking can't stand that movie
we're*
imagine if there had never been any of the mass extinction events.
how fucking smart would lizards be today??? huh?!?!?! HUH?!?!?!
Humans would not exist if that were the case.
Dinosaurs would of wiped us out, or we'd still be hunter gatherers.
22:48
it is a strange conversation to come up, but my boss and I were talking about it
i'm not even talking about us
It's true though, and i'm not convinced that after 160 million years of evolution, that the dinosaurs weren't just as intelligent as us.
Whether they could communicate or not, we'll never know.
But look how long it took us to evolve from monkeys who cant talk.
The dinosaurs had WAY more time than us.
The Ordovician–Silurian extinction event, the Ordovician extinction, was the second-largest of the five major extinction events in Earth's history in terms of percentage of genera that went extinct and second largest overall in the overall loss of life. Between about 450 Ma to 440 Ma (million years ago), two bursts of extinction, separated by one million years, appear to have happened. This was the second biggest extinction of marine life, ranking only below the Permian–Triassic extinction event. At the time, all known life was confined to the seas and oceans. More than 60% of marine inver...
i'm talking older.
what if this never happened, and none after.
would intelligent life have occurred?
and if it did, what evolution might it have been?
Would mammals have ever existed? Birds? Would it have exclusively been reptiles and marine life?
exactly. it is a fun idea to explore
A lot of the conditions that were present after these mass extinctions were what allows specific types of life to thrive.
Also, it makes you wonder how many times it's happened, and was the intelligent life even further back than that that was wiped out? Could evidence of past species have been dragged into the mantle through years of platetectonics?
22:55
another scary thought is, if you look at the rough frequency of disaster, we are pretty much due :P
We feel safe, but in reality our survival on this planet is very fragile.
The odds we beat to exist at all are astronomical into the infinite.
ohh don't I believe it
you sound like someone i'll get along with. Welcome!
:D
now lets talk about why you shouldn't be writing your website in flash ;)
Oh god that's so old.
@Wes o/
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sup!
23:03
I've got a responsive site in the works, but client work has kept me from finishing it.
i wonder if dude gets away with his ~100K
or does google sue him
probably sue
gizmodo.com/what-your-poop-is-trying-to-tell-you-1564158256 most informative article I have read all week
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23:20
@crypticツ you are not nice
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why you hate me? :(

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