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02:20
goodmorning.
 
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03:31
user image
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03:47
@Wes xD
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i wouldn't eat this cat
When black become white
And this is how I see everything in my tab browser :P ♥♥⊙_●
@wes ur CAT isnt cool ...:P:P:P:P
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@NullPoiиteя wtf is that?
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i don't have cats
04:11
I inverted rendering in android browser than black become white and vice versa
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never heard of this feature... how did you do that? :| it's some hack?
noop letme give you screen shot
@wes now just click on inverted rendering checkbox
trust me its awful
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i have only font size contrast etc
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maybe samsung disabled it :|
I have Samsung too . galaxy tab 2
are you using mobile ?
bye buddy ..... thinking to leave hot seat :D
 
2 hours later…
06:34
morning
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morning
Still no sleep?
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no lol
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i've slept 7 hours i think... not much
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but today i'm at home
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06:38
usually i work on saturday
oh.
Well at least you got some sleep.
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maybe later i'll get some more
Sadly I can't sleep more than 6 hours per day otherwise I wake up in ass hole mode.
Or more of an ass hole mode.
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if i sleep more than 8 hours i wake up with colossal headaches
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otherwise i would sleep 12 hours straight every day lol
06:42
Yep, I used to sleep loads, but as I got older...
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yeah
Any exciting work today?
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yes... i don't how did it happen, but i nearly finished also the layout
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hold on for the screenshot
haha, that's a good thing!
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06:52
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^ another gravatar penis
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i.imgur.com/20AWu4h.png more gravatar penises
haha, they are indeed penises.
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thoughts about the layout
layout looks good. Amazing test data :D
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06:55
still a mess eh... but the responsiveness is done
:D
Can I ask a quick question?
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i changed test data with devtools before making the screenshot
oh right!
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for obvious reasons
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imgur images will never expire... right?
06:56
I won't be stealing all the secrets.
Urm I think so, I mean they are infinite.
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anyway yes, i'm here for help
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it's not for you lol
Its more an opinion.
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they are publicly listed on imgur and linked forever here, so
Ahh I forgot.
So I have finally finished my theme js framework things.
Do I need to make the functions take options or is having a hardcoded settings object enough?
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07:00
if they are your settings i would use some private object, otherwise i would expose it, for example if your customers want to customize something
yeah that's the thing, I dunno how useful it would be to the customers to change the options. I mean its very specific to my themes.
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in oop programming the clue is always private unless absolutely necessary otherwise
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so make two object one public and one private
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then internally merge them
ahh ok, shall do. Thanks man.
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07:07
in this way you can expose only the single properties that you want to be overrideable
yeah, I was just trying to work out if I need to override, but I suppose its not a big deal to add it in anyway
Very nice!
damn thats some crazy work
I don't think I could handle something so complex
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07:16
me neither xD
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anyway what do you think of the design?
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you're very minimalist... i, instead, i came from 1998 internet xD
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i tried to make flat design but it isn't actually close to what's trendy these days
@Wes its really nice man, clear colourful and works well for the content.
Could someone tell me how to fix my image box :) I would like it to float along the paragraph, rather then using absolutes. So that when the window gets smaller, it pushes images further down
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@mikedidthis ty... i'm not really satisfied with the result... but i guess it's the best i can do since it is supposed to contain a huge bunch of data
@Wes yeah content first, design second.
when should the icons be monochrome, black-and-white, multicolored, or bi-colored? is there any guideline to such? and is it so that the small "hinting icons" should be monochrome only?
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07:53
@OliverSchöning remove position:absolute and use float:left instead
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@AnujKaithwas i don't think there is a guideline for this... anyway nowadays the trend is monochrome icons, especially due to icon-fonts
but very few people actually use icon-fonts, browser acceptability problem.
anyways, thanks
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browser acceptability problem? actually they are supported since msie6
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the only browser that doesn't support them is msie9 on windows phone 7.5/8
@AnujKaithwas sorry, but that is rubbish, I have been using them without issue since last year.
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07:59
and it's a microscopic percentage of the browser market
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@mikedidthis it's possible to upload binaries on github?
@Wes urm I think so
You can upload what ever you lik
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with the web gui?
Not sure, never used it
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mh i think i need a git client
08:05
I use the github app for windows 7
We had this conversation before?
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yes.
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xD
Have you seen medium.com before?
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i think i've said something like "the github app has the utter worst gui in the history of IT"
Yeah that is what you said
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08:07
@mikedidthis nope... what's that?
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i wish i could read english fast :(
Its like a blogging platform, but it has a really nice comment system
@Wes if you need a tl;dr version let me know
@mikedidthis I might have dreamt about troubles using them.
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ahh thanks... i always look for new ways to argue about apple
08:10
@AnujKaithwas yeah, they are totally safe to use
@Wes do you see the little annotations / comments through out the text?
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yes, very nice
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something like that was possible with google wave (not that was a blogging platform)
I wanted to hack something together with disqus, but I think I need to use a server to make the annotations universal :(
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not absolutely
I would need to save the comment id and the position
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08:13
you can surely do that without a server
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the problem is actually
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the post edits
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i mean let's say for example that someone comments the first paragraph
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then you edit the post and add a new paragraph before
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the comment should be moved to paragraph no2
08:15
lossy character match
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hash of the paragraph
yeah
match 80% thats the position
Plus I think the nice thing is it doesn't have to be precise. I think the comments would be attached against a full paragraph
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yes to paragraph is precise enough
But still need a server to save the reference and comment id I think
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no...
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08:25
tumblr right?
Yah but I can't edit the post content due to reblogs
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no need
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basically you have to do this
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problems may are:
are you allowed to create a fake url on tumblr?
can you load disqus dynamically?
08:38
No fake URLs and disqus has an api
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so maybe you don't need a url to load disqus right?
I am not sure, but I don't follow how your saving the data
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no need to save the data
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anyway which data you mean?
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the paragraph id?
08:46
Yes
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that is generated every time
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and it will be always the same id
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md5("paragraph paragraph paragraph")
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this function call will generate always the same id
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so if the text paragraph doesn't change
08:47
But how are you going to save the relation to the paragraph and comment id
That's unique for each comment
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i don't know how disqus work
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but i think it's possible to create "a board" accordingly to some unique url/string
Disqus logs comments against a URL. Each comment has an id
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yeah, so do something like that
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09:00
basically you use a url not as a url, but as a namespace/URN
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RFC xxxx" because otherwise they get auto-converted by MediaWiki into hyperlinks to the IETF website, making the article a mess. --> A uniform resource name (URN) is the historical name for a uniform resource identifier (URI) that uses the scheme. Defined in 1997 in RFC 2141, URNs were intended to serve as persistent, location-independent identifiers for resources, allowing the simple mapping of namespaces into a single URN namespace. The existence of such a URI does not imply availability of the identified resource, but such URIs are required to remain globally unique and persistent, ...
any one who is good with whois?
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nope
not even slightly?
you use linux right?
debian?
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@mikedidthis if you want i can try to implement this disqus thing
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09:03
no, windows
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sadly i need to use adobe
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and i hate apple more than i would hate a phallus up my bottom
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aaaand the inevitable star xD
hate this ;)
09:09
@Wes LOL ... looks like .. you haven't use Linux xD
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i tried
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but i don't have time to learn
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:(
@Wes Linux is same as mac maybe worse then mac ...
idk why many developer (@cryptic) loves Linux :(
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because it's open and that's enough
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09:26
going to watch a movie
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later
@Wes watch all the movies ./... bye
 
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10:37
blur all the thing jsfiddle.net/hJMad
11:01
Will try when I get the littlw one to bed
I mean for a nap.
 
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12:22
sup!"
@Wes can you ping me when your about?
 
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13:37
morning
afternoon :D
 
3 hours later…
user652649
16:57
@mikedidthis pong
Dang feeding time, I will ping you when I am free
Also what film did you watch?
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prometheus
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ok i'm here when you're avail
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17:35
i wonder how whom it may concern decide the banners sizes
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imho they just randomly pushed number keys on their keyboards and they got random numbers like 728x90
Can I get an opinion on my site?
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yup
what do you think?
I spent yesterday coding it.
*parts of yesterday
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first that you made?
17:42
Eh, kinda.
I've worked with them before
Just not in detail
Like this one
Hi everyone.
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i didn't check the code but it's a good first attempt ;)
Matthew, I might not be the best judge, but I find it simple and effective.
Well the code's encrypted. Sooo. lol.
And that's the plan @Improvement_Needed
I just have a question though, why is the "Home" link in the navigation bar different from the other links (that is, it does not have a span tag).
There is also a typo or two: "feautures" "your here" (I do make a lot of typos myself, so this is just an attempt to help).
17:53
hold
the span is when I was testing some things and it looks better with it. And I need to change feautures to features. But I can't find "your here"
nevermind
got it
Gotta update it. Brb
What I meant about the "Home" link is that the "span" tag and "a" tag are inverted. (The link is inside the span and not the span inside the link.)
Oh well, I can't remember why I did that xD I'll look later. Fixed typos lol
I am glad I could be of any help even though it had nothing to do with the code :D
hahaha! Improvement is always needed ;D
In my case, that's for sure!
I thought the chat would be quite active, boy, was I wrong ! :D
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18:24
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><head>
<link rel="shortcut icon" href="images/favicon.ico" />
<link href="http://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Racing+Sans+One" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
<link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />

<title>Coldfire202 - Home of the HaxCraft Launcher</title>
<style type="text/css">
.auto-style1 {
color: #FF0000;
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xD
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@MatthewH any attempt to obfuscate code on the web will result in a fail
18:42
@Wes Do you have a lot of experience in webdesign? (I am only asking because I don't.)
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i think i have
Is it ok to make up tags? (I am pretty sure it isn't, but the internet seems to be more and more permissive.)
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what do you mean?
<myowntag>Some text</myowntag>
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you mean make your own tags?
18:47
Yes. CSS seems to support it, but I wondered what was the opinion of people with a bit of experience. People who can code properly, so to speak.
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@mikedidthis i want to met the man who thought that was a good idea to include for example the horizontal size of the scrollbar in min-width of media queries... basically @media (min-width:1000px){ div{width:1000px;height:3000px;} } will cause the horizontal scrollbar to appear
(After all, you can do your layout using tables, but I learned early on that it is not something one should do.)
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html5 says that browsers should allow unknown tags, but only for future versions of html, not for making your own
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but if you use xml you can create any tag you want
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they will be namespaced, for example
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18:49
<myorg:table>
<myorg:tr>
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and that is allowed
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But if it is within a HTML page, it isn't allowed.
Thanks ! :D
@Wes that's the developers fault right?
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@mikedidthis wat?
18:52
For writing the media queries that way
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no, it's fine and it's how many people will use them
@Wes so body { overflow-y: hidden }?
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because not everyone likes percentages
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no, that's a fail, because it could hide many important pixels
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anyway only firefox is affected by this issue
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18:55
chrome does which i think is the correct way
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but firefox follows what spec says
Urm ok.
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let me check msie
@Wes Have you ever used <svg> ?
I would never write a media query that close anyway. I mean, ffs, margin / padding :)
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18:56
@Improvement_Needed sporadically
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also msie follows the standard, so the scrollbar appears
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@mikedidthis me neither, but it's a fail anyway... it's impossible to know how much gap you should leave...
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especially because in windows, linux etc, scrollbar size is customizable
But i mean I would never set a break point without at at lease 40px either side of the content
mq: 880px; content: 800px
etc
actually tell a lie, my container is always 100% and then padding 20 / 60 / 80px to fake the margin
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19:03
i'm talking in theory mate
I know.
I am just saying I can never see a scenario where that would have a fail.
I am a newbie, so please excuse my lack of proper knowledge, but isn't the main interest of @media to customize the CSS in order to fit on mobile device or am I really really wrong?
Technically not wrong
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i'm saying that's impossible to know which is the ideal gap to leave, because the scrollbar size varies depending platform and device and it's also customizable
So, I can totally do without it for the moment, right? :D
19:06
@Wes agreed, but having content that stretches 100% of the viewport is also a no-no.
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let's say you leave a 40px gap... it's perfectly fine for all os, right? but what if a user customizes his os for a 50px wide scrollbar? it could happen
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of course is rare, but that's not the point
Why is content that stretches 100% of the viewport a no-no?
@Wes I get your point, but thats like IE9 on a windows phone, right?
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@mikedidthis if you mean 100% using "px" yes i agree but it should work
19:09
@Improvement_Needed personally content should stretch to its own limits, not the browser window, but that's just my feelings.
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wat? ie9 on winphone doesn't have scrollbars
sorry i was comparing it as an example. Remember the talk about font-face and ie9 / wm? the percentage for custom scroll bars is the same I imagine.
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i don't remember... i probably was drunk :P
It was yesterday lol :D
Anyway. yeah its a pain, but I think its so far away from context we can ignore it.
I had a challenge for you btw @Wes
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yesterday? LOL
19:13
@Improvement_Needed If your just getting started, I would totally learn responsive / fluid and forget fixed
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yesterday i was in coma, if you remember xD
I did not understand that, mikedidthis.
@Improvement_Needed if your just learning to code CSS / HTML, I would look at responsive, mobile first.
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do we talked about @font-face yesterday? mind blank. xD
@Wes yeah, I can't find it. But someone asked about using font-face for icons and how it wasn't safe?
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19:15
ah, it was today
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ok now i got you
@mikedidthis I am not just starting, so to speak, I just don't know much and discover that there are new things I never knew about everytime. For example, I have no idea what responsive CSS is.
Allow me to google that! :D
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anyway, spec or not, chrome does the correct thing. full stop
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hope they will change
One of the first things I came across : Twitter bootstrap.
19:22
@Improvement_Needed css-tricks.com/…
@Wes ok ok. dayum!
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Media Queries
W3C Recommendation 19 June 2012
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it's already a recommendation?
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so it will not happen.
@Wes sadly not.
Well, in my case, this would really not be the best policy since the project I am "working" on is clearly meant to be accessed from a computer rather than a mobile device.
19:24
@Improvement_Needed Sorry, I just mean in general.
But thanks @mikedidthis, it still is a good thing to know!
I do responsive, but I still have fixed builds.
@Wes can you look at my JS for me? I have a question.
Don't be sorry, I absolutely didn't know about that, so thank you very much !
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@mikedidthis ok
I am doing all my image stuff under images surpraisingly.
so I am returning 3 functions, scale, replace, grid.
However, all 3 start off the same. (get parent elem, merge options etc)
Do I need to set up an init with the parent, merge options and then call that from inside all 3?
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19:29
i can't answer since i don't understand the code
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what are getParent and getLargest supposed to do?
well ffffuuuuuu! :D
getParent checks for the right parent element and get largests works out the largest possible width or img.
scale, scales the image ready for the larger image
replace, replaces the smaller image with the larger image
grid, makes a grid of images
all 3 need to know the parent elem and need to know what the largest possible image is
Actually, thank you again mikedidthis, there is part of the project that could benefit from a proper mobile formatting.
@Wes example of setScale / setSrc: mikedidthis-dev.tumblr.com/post/54679941509/…
@Improvement_Needed no problems
Would it be better to just create a settings object related to Focus itself, rather than the sub modules?
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the whole code doesn't look very sensible to me... i mean i would do that with a class
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19:34
not with "static methods"
its the object notation annoying? I am not sure what you mean by a class?
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function ImageSubject(image){ this.image = image; }
ImageSubject.prototype._getParent = function(){};
ImageSubject.prototype._setSrc = function(){};
ImageSubject.prototype.applyScale = function(){};
and how do you apply it?
Javascript classes scare me...
Javascript scares me...
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19:37
ImageSubject.prototype.applyScale = function(){

this._getLargest(this.image);

};
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in the same way you did, but using an oop way
Is prototype a proper method or is it a (I-don't-how-to-call-it-so-let's-say) plugin?
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prototype is actual js, it has nothing to do with prototypejs which is a framework
Ok, thanks, because I was wondering the first time I encountered it, a few weeks back.
Sorry I mean, how would you call the function? ImageSubject.applyScale( $('img') );
19:39
I am really skeptical when it comes to javascript OOP...
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@mikedidthis no
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var a = new ImageSubject($('img'));
a.applyScale();
Does it work well with jQuery?
@Wes I presume then you can chain the sub methods / functions?
Presuming the previous function returns something?
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not computing, what do you mean?
19:43
mikedidthis, I think that you return the object in order to chain.
I found it a little awkward to use "d3" after using "jQuery" because whilst using the "append()" function, let's say, jQuery will return the parent, and d3 the child you append.
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i have to teach you some oop
var a = new ImageSubject($('img'));
a.applyScale().applySrc();
@Improvement_Needed if the method returns the parent / child
@Wes its gonna take a lot to get me away from object literal notion / revealing pattern, but feel free :D
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you can do that but it's not a good idea, but since you are a js user everything is allowed xD
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basically there you have
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applyScale() returning this
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19:45
"return this;"
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and that's an anti-pattern
If you want to use my example for your class example that would be superb.
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not in js of course xD
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and i mean, not because of some js fault, but because of jquery users xD
@Wes, is there any reason I shouldn't use jQuery UI?
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19:47
@Improvement_Needed you should if you don't have alternatives
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jquery can be used in the right way
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but if you're skilled enough, you shouldn't use it
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@mikedidthis using that code wouldn't explain much about oop... i want to give you some small inputs
I like to do things myself, and some of it, I actually did quite easily, but the Autocomplete function really doesn't seem like something I might do by myself.
quite easily *using jQuery, that is.
@Wes go nuts, but I was happy with my js :(
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19:51
not necessarily your js is wrong
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first thing i would say is
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why you need to namespace internally .images
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and publicly you remove the namespace?
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i know that we talked about this already but you was looking for the "definitive pattern for everything"
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and it doesn't exist
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19:54
and that's the case
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do you know what is the sense of OOP?
originally I had replaceImage, replaceSrc, photoGrid as 3 seperate namespaces, but all three of the functions essentially used the same code, but in with a different outcome.
So I moved them all into one namespace as they all relate to images.
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allowing you, or a 3rd party to understand what implementation does without reading the actual code
I think I understand the sense in OOP, I believe I follow the same pattern with my CSS.
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basically only the signature (the signature is a class method/function)
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19:56
should allow you to understand what that method does
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so, question
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does the string "Focus.grid" explain enough what that method does?
@Wes so I would change that to Focus.imageScale();
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(i changed to grid because in fact i don't understand what scale does)
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shouldn't it be for example, Focus.images.createGrid() ?
19:58
@Wes I was using the return / api to shorten the names, it can be what i wants
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code comprehension without actual code reading is an important point of OOP
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