« first day (280 days earlier)      last day (3508 days later) » 

11:07 AM
Guys would you say you like to have light in the room you work or do you prefer the dark ?
 
dark if graphics, light if programming
 
@PatsyIssa nice :)
 
nice ? :P that was a question
:P
!!google 10 guy
 
@Mr.Alien even window blinds open ?
 
11:09 AM
nope, soothing lights, mild ones..
 
the dinosaurs i have at work have the window blinds open and i m going blind
 
he he.. btw if anyone wants to keep their eyes safe while programming..
2
 
I have had that for like 4 years on my home pc
very useful
 
downloaded
 
yea, but when I game, I turn that off
 
11:13 AM
@Mr.Alien only use it when coding, not designing! :D
 
I dont even notice it
 
wow that's nice :D
i m getting this at home when i leave today :D
 
@mikedidthis yea.. that's why I wrote programming :) @Will it throws you pitch orange screen at night...
 
less light in my face now, might make it through the day
 
the whiteness is reduced drastically
haha wear a cap
 
11:16 AM
i usually have sun glasses on forgot them in the car
 
patsy wears these... *P.S it's a secret.. don't tell anyone
 
hahahaha
 
Dont worry./..
I wont
 
Hello! For a current project the customer needs to use an iframe that contains the entire website I wrote. This makes the site a bit of an SEO nightmare. Is there any way to make it behave more like a non embedded website? For example, update the URL in the address bar somehow?
 
Why he has such a weird wish?
 
11:22 AM
for internal reasons they can't transfer the domain. so they host the single site containing the frame on their systems.
 
O.o
 
it's just temporary I hope, but for now it would be great to improve the situation any way possible.
 
Google doesn't guarantee if the bots crawl iframes
wait I had read that once
 
Including a <base target="_parent" base="http://theirdomain.com"/> does not work, since all images/css/scripts would also be loaded through the frame. It's a mess, really.
 
11:25 AM
I don't think there is a solution for this.
 
I can't tell if this person's answer is basically 'thanks it works for me' or what. stackoverflow.com/a/21550496/1592648 if it is that then delete/flag as non-answer.
 
Just redirect the new domain > old domain?
 
@Mr.Alien it seems they do crawl it. but only for the homepage, obviously, since the address does not change. the old domain is fully indexed, though.
 
@crypticツ flag
 
@mikedidthis the old domain should not be visible for the average user.
 
11:28 AM
let it be there, it sounds like it worked but can't say, its unclear
 
@mikedidthis you are probably right.
 
Just to clarify, you have access to the server (with old site) and new domain, just not the old?
I mean, if you have two sites, I would redirect the old site to the new. Have the new pointing to the new site?
 
@mikedidthis I have access to the old domain and the server where the site is hosted. I do not have control over the new domain.
The new domain has a single page with a frame pointing to the old domain.
 
Ahh ok, sadly it seems like a nasty situation.
 
How do I get every third child, including the first? jsfiddle.net/ymDqb
 
11:39 AM
I think I just came up with a simple solution. I will use the target="_parent" in the base element and simply use the new domain for subpages and the old domain for assets.
 
Thanks, do you know how to make it like this? jsfiddle.net/UAj6h/2
1(red) — 2 — 3(orange) — 4(red) —5 — 6(orange)
 
!!google nth-child css-tricks
 
^ there you go. Sorry but I can't drip feed you the answers.
 
11:53 AM
evening to all
 
Yeah sorry I appreciate that. Thanks for the links
 
No problem at all, if you read and then get stuck, do ask again.
 
@Mr.Alien hello sir are you following me..?? O_o
 
@SilentKiller evening
 
@SilentKiller evenin n no, I make my own way :D
 
11:55 AM
i was also on the same way... ;)
 
@SilentKiller - why would he follow you????
 
ask him he comes in room behind me... ;)
 
that means you are following him
:P
 
i said behind me not i am behind him.. ;)
 
let it be...
 
12:06 PM
ask this last one hour to run faster as much it can
 
last hour for working day then i can go home. :)
 
last 22 mins for me
then will catch a train
 
12:29 PM
Any ideas what icon to use for networks?
as in social networks, I am stumped
 
Bye guys
 
Take care!
 
@Mr.Alien tnx
 
12:42 PM
@PeeHaa anytym..
 
12:54 PM
@mikedidthis msn logo ? :P
 
1:05 PM
urm... nah you are alright thanks
 
what did you end up usign
 
user652649
 
@PatsyIssa end up reminds me of something
 
@Wes good choice
 
1:07 PM
11 hours ago, by rlemon
http://jsbin.com/UluHaFoY/8 how would I force sticky footer here and have the grey fill the rest.
 
As in have the blue as a sticky footer ?
 
@PatsyIssa a globe!
 
@PatsyIssa yes, push it down
 
Globe for me = browser or url
I d set the body bg to the grey
 
1:11 PM
@rlemon smth like this jsbin.com/UluHaFoY/9
oups broken gimme a sec :P
 
@rlemon ta, dat <i> though :(
 
@mikedidthis unicode
.social-login::after {
    content "/12ab"; /* not actual code */
}
also, there is nothing wrong with the i tag :P
 
@Wes perfect mood for the end of the day, got more of this ? :D
 
@rlemon soooo much wrong with the <i> tag. Mixing presentation with markup.
Its like the data-attr all over again :D
 
user652649
you mean classic rock? or romantic songs @PatsyIssa ? xD
 
user652649
1:15 PM
 
lol and I don't disagree with those in some cases
 
Lol classic :P
 
you are limited to where your data comes from
<i class="icon-users"></i> in my opinion is semantic and there is currently no better solution to use font icons (which is the better solution over images)
you can't have both
<i> becomes okay
 
anyone ever get this with google charts ?
showing some percentage not all
 
@rlemon semantic for what? its an empty element?
 
1:17 PM
it is an icon
 
user652649
!!youtube george thorogood bourbon
 
semantic in the sense that it is not being used for anything else (today) and we all adopt <em>
 
user652649
!!youtube george thorogood drink alone
 
1:18 PM
its about as semantic as tables for layouts.
 
unless someone proposes a better solution I stand by it being fine
 
Why not target the element you want the icon on
 
i second that motion
 
@mikedidthis using unicode sure, but that isn't as robust
 
1:19 PM
there are some cases where you will have to introduce an element.
 
ok, put it this way: You want to change the icon from a pen to a hat. You have to add css AND change your markup, which is silly. Especially as your CSS is controlling the icons in the first place.
 
why do I have to add css?
I just have to toggle a class
 
So you are bloating your css then.
Lets ship the kitchen sink!
 
if I plan on using both icons on the page (even if one is toggled) they would both be there anyways
 
correct, but the css controls the style, not the markup.
You know this.
 
1:21 PM
that is a fucking weak ass statement and you know it
they are ubiquitous
there are things you should avoid, but in this case it is harder to avoid it than it is to use it
that shows we are working on an anti-pattern
 
but its really not.
 
so why not just succumb to the fact that a still valid, not very used element is now taking the place of icon fonts
a lot fucking better than <img /> all over the place
 
because it can be done without using a 'not very used element'.
 
show me a large project that tacks it on to each element and doesn't modularize them into additional tags?
and an icon is a thing - it shouldn't be controlled with just css
it is on the page, I can see it / interact with it
 
but its injected with css ffs.
remove the css, there is no icon.
 
1:24 PM
remove the css and there is an icon. just a blank one
 
no, there is an old, unused element.
 
which is indicative of an icon
 
if you say so. When the spec says <i> is reserved for icons then you may have a point.
Its a preference. I have the element, I want it to have a visual cue, I use the css.
I don't need to bloat the html with another empty element.
 
user652649
you can use icons like this as well <abbr title="Contact us">&#x2706;</abbr> @rlemon
 
You can, but your indexing ends up nasty.
Icons, borders, backgrounds are all visual.
 
user652649
1:27 PM
indexing?
 
how is an icon pure visual?
it is a button in most applications
or at least in mine
 
@rlemon no a button is a button element
@Wes google will index that code, it will appear in the search results
 
an icon is an element
 
user652649
icons are valid alternatives to plain text, if they are mapped to the correct unicode meaningful character
 
text is an element -> icons are an element
 
1:29 PM
so are borders and backgrounds then.
which is just dumb.
 
how?
no you are grasping at straws here man.
 
because an anchor should work regardless of the pretty icon you put next to it
 
that edit icon is much more than just "pretty little fluff"
 
if its an action, then you need to look at <menu> and <button>
 
it is an icon representing a button for that edit field.
yes and I will still nest my icon into the button
 
user652649
 
just like I would my text
but no one argues text is "css stuff"
so why are icons limited?
 
user652649
do you like my new avatar?
 
Tweek!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
user652649
xD
 
@mikedidthis I know my semantic html thanks.
 
user652649
1:32 PM
 
@rlemon I am not disputing that, I am saying that this: <i class="fa fa-bar-chart-o"></i> doesn't tell me anything, its meaning less.
 
tells me a whole lot
 
What does it tell you?
 
tells me to burn down your house while you sleep
3
whispers it actually.
 
Hahaha
How's everyone's day going?
 
1:34 PM
but complaining about a shitty named class for font-awesome when many grid systems today and css frameworks get you to write code like this: "app-menu pure-menu pure-menu-open pure-menu-horizontal pure-fixed-menu" seems silly.
big picture is that this is how rapid prototyping is done. don't run from it.
 
@rlemon have you seen joomla templates? they are horrible @SomeGuy heya
 
And with that I have no problem with rapid prototyping.
If the conversation had started with: I use <i> to get shit done and refactor, then this wouldn't have taken place.
 
and in the real world having a adopted element for representing icon (adopted by pretty much the entire industry mind you) is not something to stick your nose up at
but I realize you english like to stick your noses up
 
That's like saying because everyone is using node.js or an mvc framework, we should all jump on it.
 
@mikedidthis generally I approach for :before with font awesome
 
1:37 PM
no, that is saying that node.js and MVC isn't something to scuff off just because I don't like them
 
@Mr.Alien me too, I just don't see the point in adding a redundant element like <i> to your markup. There is zero gain.
Its preference Rob, you know that. If we all used the same techniques and followed the same path, nothing we ever differ.
 
ummm... I now have a controllable singular icon
I can grab it with js and play with it
can't grab your pseudo content
 
@mikedidthis some cases, it's fine, if you see the screen shot I shared before I've used empty span in the square blocks
 
@mikedidthis dude you are WAY off base here - never once did I say you must use it
you called it out as a horrible thing
I'm defending it saying it isn't horrible and people should be free to use it
 
it is a horrible thing.
 
1:39 PM
man you've been hanging out in the JS room too long
 
@rlemon you know its applied on the <i> as a pseudo element as well right?
 
yes but I have it wrapped
which is what I most need
<div class="icon icon-hammer"></div>
yea I can do it with any element I want
 
^^^ that's old now
 
As for your animation, you would use state classes on the parent element.
 
but why not a single character, unused, valid element with very little additional native styling overhead (actually none spec'd but some legacy)
 
1:42 PM
Anyway, I give up, you win Rob. You and the rest of the industry are correct in using an depreciated element to display a visual cue. I am wrong.
 
it is not deprecated at all dude.
and there is nothing to 'win' - I'm not trying to convince you to change anything, just maybe don't think it is horrible for others to use just because you don't agree with it
impact of either approach == almost nothing
ease of development for using the approach that makes you happy == everything
 
Deprecated was the wrong word, correct.
 
just like data stuff. I agree most uses for it are abuses, but not when you are using it to store information on the element for the element as a layer of presentation
<div title="foo bar" data-title="<strong>foo</strong> bar">I am some custom popup crap</div>
I don't disagree with this ^
 
Anyone knows how to do a NOT to the ^= (starts with) attribute selector?
I want to spawn this devil: $('div[id][id!="top"][id!^="T1"') though the last part doesn't clearly work
 
I wouldn't personally use it.. but I do see why other do use it
@MoshMage :not([id^="T1"])
 
1:49 PM
smart! Thank you @rlemon :)
I just went from writing a butload of lines to a neat selector :D
 
@MoshMage if pure css
div:not([class^="blow-horn"]) {
    color: red;
}
sorry, went reverse with the words there ^^^
 
@rlemon as I said its preference. I wasn't saying to anyone don't use the <i> I was saying I dislike it and see zero gain in that. If it came across like I was discouraging people to use it, then that wasn't the case.
 
well lets agree to disagree on this
 
Yep.
 
@mikedidthis I only use the <i> tag for semantics, because (on account of bootstrap, I think) I got to "understand" that <i> referrs to an icon - but that's about it. Still, I came in the near-end of this convo - lets not reignite it :p
 
1:58 PM
<i> referrs to an icon <--- WHAT?
 
It doesn't
It just makes sense, which is why it's used for icons in a lot of frameworks
 
@Mr.Alien blame the font awesome and other icon sets for that
 
@PeeHaa There are 30410 like him
 

« first day (280 days earlier)      last day (3508 days later) »