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5:16 PM
> As to the /fuckable command, I merely asked you to reconsider. Personally, I find it extremely immature an inappropriate
 
posted on November 12, 2013 by Chris Coyier

This is one of those tricky CSS things that I see come up every few months. I guess what better place to address it than CSS-Tricks eh? The situation involves ragged-right inline text. Like when a paragraph of text breaks to the next line whenever the next word won't fit (i.e. most text on the internet). You want to add a background behind that text which: Follows the ragged-right edge Is

 
But how will we now find out who to fuck? :(
 
@Wes sadly that isn't the issue. Its the welcome message :(
in Not JavaScript, 5 mins ago, by Sklivvz
Ok sorry please entertain me once more. What are the advantages of an automated welcome message over a manual one? I promise I won't bother you further :-D
 
user652649
how an automated welcome message can be the problem?
 
Because its automated.
That seems to be the issue.
 
5:20 PM
Hi guys. Quick question. Can I have height 100% of the viewport without using absolute positioning?
 
But I am staying out of it. For me, it seems that people with power want to use that power. Reason and logic are not factoring.
@jonasnas Hey! yeah you should be able to.
 
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@mikedidthis lol
 
@Wes sounds like office politics. I dislike any kinds of politics
 
so lets say I want the page to be always height=100%. I set html,body height=100%, no i want to have header 100px height and content div which together take all the screen. but I cant make 100px(header) + .content = 100% of the screen without absolute positioning
*no = now
 
user652649
some commands must be censored but i don't think caprica annoys with that message, actually i think it is very useful for people that don't read the description
 
user652649
5:26 PM
@mikedidthis except the dictatorship where you are the dictator you mean? <-- i always say that
 
@Wes no I hate that as well. I hate being the boss of anything.
@jonasnas two seconds
 
user652649
going home
 
user652649
later
 
later man.
 
ok, you are using css3
 
5:31 PM
@jonasnas no
box-sizing ie8+
 
Yes but it is css3.
and even with this box-sizing
i couldn't use margins, could I?
 
no
well maybe
sorry
yes it is CSS3, I am not with it today
I don't see the issue, I mean, IE8 is 3 revs back.
 
its ok
but then If I want to use margins, how should I do it?
 
@jonasnas I don't think you can.
The issue is the height 100% and the header
as you said margin + height 100% will equal more than 100%
So using box-sizing, we can create the space needed for the header and still retain 100%.
The only other solution is position:absolute as far as I can see.
 
So who can help me find out why the hell this wont echo a value??
			if ( $videos->have_posts() ): while ( $videos->have_posts() ): $videos->the_post(); $id = get_the_id(); ?>
				<div>
					<div class="thumbnail">
						<?php /*if (!!get_field('video_duration')):*/ ?>
							<span class="video-duration"><?php $dur = get_field('video_duration', $id); echo $dur; ?><br />MINS</span>
						<?php /*endif;*/ ?>
						<?php the_post_thumbnail(); ?>
					</div>
 
5:39 PM
The php room? :D
 
it's wordpress.. of all people the people in there hate wordpress the most
 
@mikedidthis, so If I wanted to have a gap ('let say margin') between header and content. which approach should I use?
 
@jonasnas I would go with padding and increase the top value
 
And is using absolute positioning considered good practice?
 
whitespace / gap is the same visual
@jonasnas I use it all the time, but some people have an issue with it
 
5:41 PM
absolute positioning is considered bad practice
 
@BillyMathews the only users I know who do PHP in this room aren't here :(
@BillyMathews bull. So me the proof or gtfo :D
 
I am deciding between Titanium and doing just a plain HTML5+Javascript implementation for an upcoming project. I would prefer to not use a wrapper and so HTML5+JS is my preferred method. However Im fairly new and so have a quick question. When coding in HTML and JS, what do you use to control the UI so that it auto re sizes (for a different resolutions like a tablet, phone, or desktop)? Also I dont want to write HTML and would like an IDE, can I create HTML5 pages with Visual Studio?
 
I mean, its bad if you don't know how to do it :D
 
it's only bad if you don't know how to use it / don't understand the implications
^^
 
so what are the implications?
 
5:42 PM
@jonasnas it relates to the nearest parent with position:relative set.
 
which are forgotten by many developers
 
@BillyMathews absolute positioning is a tool that can be abused like any other.. it is not by default bad practice
 
You need to take into consideration browser support aswell
 
@BillyMathews wut?
 
that is the equivalent of saying wrenches are considered bad practice ;]
 
5:44 PM
some browsers (older ie) can fuck it up
 
@BillyMathews no, you just need to write the css correctly.
 
That's about as specific as I can be on that point.....
 
Also its 2013, you probably at most, need to worry about IE8+.
 
True.
@CarrieKendall I said that it was considered bad practice
 
that's wrong though
 
5:45 PM
Why do I even emphasize?
 
@jonasnas just remember you need a parent element to the position:absolute element to fix itself against. Apart from that its golden.
 
its not considered bad practice
 
@CarrieKendall let me re-word it: alot of people consider it bad practice
 
... lol
 
5:46 PM
its not a bad practice. Its usually implemented without thought.
 
i can implement relative positioning poorly as well
 
its a great property, but like most css, if used wrong, its blamed.
 
I have heard lots of people saying not to use absolute positioning
 
i can definitely implement fixed positioning poorly
 
@BillyMathews me too. And not one can back it up.
 
5:47 PM
my implementation of these positions has nothing to do with the properties
 
the JS room is full of people who don't advocate using it, and not one has show me a reason why
 
don't listen to people who spout off how things are bad practice with no examples of why
everyone has an opinion
 
Just to clear this up: I agree with you, absolute positioning is great and there is nothing wrong with it.
that is why I emphasized considered in my original statement
 
@mikedidthis So for me its still not clear. So if not using absolute positioning. And I want to have a white 10px gap between header and content. How should I do it
 
I think the word practice was the issue. Some people think its a bad idea to use
 
5:48 PM
margin?
padding?
 
height should be 100% (header + content)
 
that's not so easy...
you could use a percentile margin
 
You mean you want that?
I can't really advise more unless I see a design?
 
@BillyMathews i am not picking on you, just pointing out that what you were saying was wrong.. :]
 
@CarrieKendall what was wrong about what I said?
 
5:51 PM
@mikedidthis so in your example , header is blue, content is green, but I want to have a white gap between header and content (like it would be margin-top:10px on the content)
 
@BillyMathews practice
 
10 mins ago, by Billy Mathews
absolute positioning is considered bad practice
 
But that's not untrue. Other people do consider absolute positioning to be bad practice. Am I wrong?
 
yes, you are
i don't know who other are
but take it from a few people who use CSS frequently, it isn't bad practice at all
 
5:53 PM
@BillyMathews they consider it a bad idea or technique
@CarrieKendall along with box-sizing, its one of my favourite properties
 
it can be abused like any other tool, but i don't think there's anyone out there saying WE MUSTNT USE IT, FOR IT IS BAD
 
@CarrieKendall but there is
 
please see emphasized text for sarcasm ;]
link
 
I don't have
but
Mike agrees, right?
7 mins ago, by mikedidthis
the JS room is full of people who don't advocate using it, and not one has show me a reason why
 
lol the JS room also says you shouldnt use jquery because you'll kill kittens
its all about implementation
 
5:55 PM
Correct.
I think the issue is the statement is so strong.
Someone told billy not to use it, billy repeats this to another user... they tell some one else.
YOU ALL MISS OUT ON THE GOODIES :D
 
also, understand the source.. the js room deals with noobs who abuse said tools regularly
example:
how do you create a variable in jquery? <- js room answer: jquery is bad, learn javascript
 
I have been told by a superior in my office (front end dev) that I musn't use absolute positioning on a project I was working on
 
@CarrieKendall not strictly true. They hate the use of jQuery without understand the abstraction.
@BillyMathews ask him for a use case or reason or tell him to gtfo.
 
^ that
 
@mikedidthis Thanks a lot. I didn't notice that there was a nested article tag and couldn't understand why padded space was not filled with blue color
 
5:58 PM
@jonasnas its ok, I added it in the last revision.
 
Fuck it, IDGAF at the end of the day as long as he's happy
he's the one paying me
 
so let say if you had to do it for yourself
would you use the approach you showed (nesting tags) or absolute positioning?
 
Can anyone explain to me why people keep telling me using `position:absolute` is bad?
 
@BillyMathews well, i hope that he stays your boss and you never have to look for employment with someone who uses tools based on the use case ;]
 
I can. because it sounds like hard coded value in programming but it only sounds
 
6:00 PM
@jonasnas what?
 
for me 'absolute' makes impression like smth is hardcoded (but it is not)
 
@jonasnas height: 100px is just the same
 
I know
I'm saying just a bout the word, not the keyword
doesn't matter
 
sorry, that was in haste.
Thanks for the input.
So it seems lack of knowledge.
 
@mikedidthis i am curious of the replies you get.. i didn't know any respectable CSS community members thought this
i mean.. if you go to a website that box-shadow 50px's all the things it doesnt mean that box-shadow is considered bad.. amirite?
anyways, i have a meeting, bbl :]
 
6:06 PM
@CarrieKendall correct :D
 
user652649
@mikedidthis telling that something is bad talking generally isn't wise
 
user652649
in fact used sensibly position absolute is very useful
 
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it does what's meant for
 
user652649
so if you use for that, you're doing nothing wrong
 
user652649
until ie6 included it wasn't possible to use properties on the same axis at same time
 
user652649
6:12 PM
means that you wasn't able to use top and bottom simoultaneusly and left and right as well
 
user652649
but if you don't consider that i think it never had any other bugs
 
I think in this case when I need 100% height (header+content) its better to use absolute positioning, because otherwise you need to change dom to make styling work
 
user652649
i have often seen acrobatic css like negative margins, sizeless containers etc instead of using position absolute and that is what i consider bad
 
user652649
position absolute absolutely isn't
 
user652649
i have a better question tho
 
user652649
6:16 PM
why i always look like a holy man telling a sermon when i answer a question?
 
:D because you get paid better for that
 
user652649
on the way home i picked a giant kebab, the cashier asked me if i wanted it cut in pieces and i answered "yes please" to keep up appearances. she didn't know i'm just a forever alone fat ass
 
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6:35 PM
posted on November 12, 2013 by Chris Coyier

Mozilla says they "will no longer ship new 'moz'-prefixed APIs" as part of an overall philosophy of: "Is this good for the Web?" Blink has also said this. Word has it WebKit still plans to use them as they deem necessary. Direct Link to Article — Permalink… -moz-gone is a post from CSS-Tricks

 
6:53 PM
posted on November 12, 2013 by Chris Coyier

Essentially a way to import a block of dependancies (scripts and styles) into an HTML document. <link rel="import" href="imports.html"> It doesn't actually just plop the content from the referenced file where you call it though, like an @import does in CSS or and include does in a server side language. HTML could very much use that. Direct Link to Article — Permalink…

posted on November 12, 2013 by Chris Coyier

It's live! If this is the first you've heard of it, it's a contest where you get a Photoshop document and have two weeks to convert it into HTML and CSS. You're judged on an established set of criteria. The design this year is by Daniel Mall. You have to submit your design through CodePen. As you'll need to host files (like images) to make it happen, and you'll want to be working privately,

 
7:35 PM
@Wes sorry I went to eat dinner
 
user652649
no prob
 
That one just winds me up
 
user652649
7:49 PM
which one?
 
user652649
you mean position absolute?
 
user652649
anyway it's correct that position absolute can be used wrong
 
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and it's easy to make mistakes with it
 
@Wes like all css.
 
user652649
i think it also has a bad rep because macromedia dreamweaver used to generate layout 100% made with position absolute
 
7:52 PM
@Wes jQuery masonry use the same techinque
 
user652649
yeah but that handles position absolute well, with dreamweaver were common sites that don't fit the client neither show scrollbars on different resolutions they were designed for
 
user652649
msie11 is actually good
 
user652649
as opposed to msie10 it starts fast
 
user652649
i'm seriously considering to switch to it for my primary browser
 
@Wes troll?
 
user652649
8:03 PM
no seriously
 
user652649
i consider msie10 a good browser
 
user652649
but it wasn't agile yet, responsive
 
user652649
sometimes it hangs
 
user652649
but msie11 is seriously good
 
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not saying it's good for developing
 
user652649
8:05 PM
but for navigation
 
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seems it can compete with chrome
 
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i think i'm going to test it for some days
 
java.net.ServerSocket is not supported by Google App Engine's Java runtime environment
what is supported then?
 
use python, java is eww :p
 
....
 
user652649
8:09 PM
the kebab killed me tho. i feel like i have it in my lungs
 
the only other way would be negative margin?
 
user652649
well there's also display table
 
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or float
 
display:table would be the closest, I don't think you could do it precisely with floats
percentage widths aren't true
 
user652649
i'm not sure i understood the goals
 
user652649
8:18 PM
you don't want tags go under the icons, right?
 
user652649
in this case float can't help
 
@Wes correct
 
user652649
because icons are fixed width, the tag list is flexible
 
user652649
but display table is ok for that
 
yeah
so in this case, position:absolute is a solution along with table
 
user652649
8:20 PM
anyway no it's possible also with floats only
 
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wait
 
user652649
@mikedidthis jsfiddle.net/EQRJL
 
@Wes so the downside is extra markup?
 
user652649
not necessarily
 
at the moment, yes.
 
user652649
 
user652649
anyway talking about markup
 
user652649
the two buttons shouldn't be in a list?
 
user652649
as well as tags
 
the original, they were svgs served via an iframe
 
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urm?
 
8:29 PM
also actions / post details
tumblr
look in the footer of the posts
plus that was just an example
 
user652649
ok i see
 
user652649
so you can't wrap them in a list?
 
seemed messy
Plus I coded this theme as I did the tutorial
and idk
I do
at the time the post details were just text
so it when into the ul
 
user652649
i'm not understanding :\
 
the date / notes / tags, there weren't links
just strings / text
so I made a ul as it was text
left the buttons out as they were actions
 
user652649
8:39 PM
ok anyway there's nothing wrong with that actually
 
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it may be improved somehow
 
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i think
 
meh, its done.
30 videos. I am done
 
user652649
lol
 
user652649
ok, i bet you are xD
 
user652649
8:41 PM
i'm making coffee 21:40 because i have some work to finish
 
me too :D
 
user652649
actually i have some work to start 8D
 
user652649
dear me
 
yeah that as well :D
 
user652649
today they offered me a promotion
 
user652649
8:43 PM
ironic since i'm planning to quit that job
 
user652649
lol
 
really?
 
user652649
really
 
user652649
that office is a lost cause
 
take it fool
 
user652649
8:48 PM
i like to work there because of the people
 
user652649
but the organization is a disaster
 
user652649
there are no bosses, only improvisation
 
user652649
in fact i always do everything except what's in my contract
 
sounds like my job :D
 
user652649
lol i bet it isn't
 
user652649
8:50 PM
it's just an utter disaster
 
@Wes I won't lie I hate hearing this
 
user652649
we do reunions just to ignore what was been said in them
 
@CarrieKendall position:absolute reasons to hate it? gist.github.com/mikedidthis/7438341
 
user652649
at the start the work was interesting, now seems we are here just to maintain the status quo, instead of create new things and improve the old ones
 
user652649
also nobody trusts others opinions, it's years that i'm fighting to improve our work condition starting all new softwares but everybody is happy as they are so no reason to change
 
8:59 PM
yeah
 
user652649
we have a intranet interface that works with a 20 years old software we can't modify anymore
 
user652649
because the company that made it was closed
 
if it makes you feel any better, its the same with our government agencies here
 
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and they refuse to give us the original code
 
user652649
which is by the way VB6 LOL
 
user652649
9:01 PM
actually i don't think it even exists the original code, it was lost surely
 
user652649
@mikedidthis in theory we aren't part of the government :( but is one of our clients
 
@Wes ahh
well I know a few here and they are 9-5
 
user652649
we also do regular sites, but rarely recently
 
user652649
actually we don't even have salesmen anymore for searching customers
 
user652649
bah, anyway it's time to change for me, i'm still young and i'm not happy now
 
9:05 PM
@Wes that would be my advise.
I am broke as hell, but I do what I enjoy.
 
user652649
next year i will surely quit, hopefully with something else waiting for me to do already
 
user652649
one of my bosses was a great programmer and an excellent salesman
 
user652649
he hired me and until he was there everything was ok
 
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sadly some years ago had terrible health issues so now it doesn't actually work anymore
 
user652649
now he's ok but he doesn't have the strength anymore
 
user652649
9:12 PM
and apparently that started the decline of the company
 
Ahh, I feel that. I have the same story with my gran.
Except she was a great artist.
Couldn't sell a thing though :D
 
user652649
lol
 
I mean it though. If you are not happy, its probably best to try and move on
We spend so much time at work, we should enjoy it.
 
user652649
yes, really
 
I don't know you very well, but I know you well enough to say that.
You are one of the good ones, helpful and funny, just a bit shitty to hear you down :D
 
user652649
9:17 PM
i agree, happiness at work is important
 
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i'm not actually down... i'm disappointed and lost, i thought my life got a direction already but apparently it does not
 
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but i like challenges
 
user652649
nothing ever stopped me doing anything
 
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except myself of course
 
user652649
i'm my worst enemy
 
9:18 PM
you are me both, I say that honestly.
I let myself down a lot this year, more so for being doubtful.
Shall we just get drunk and play video games together :D
 
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lol
 
user652649
with my side projects friend, the one that is working with me on the "4 colors site" that you saw, we decided already to plan expanding the business to EU, that would include UK too. i don't know why but i made your name as a possible useful contact xD everything can happen
 
I am not useful? well screw you! :D
 
user652649
possible because i don't know if you agree :D
 
user652649
i don't know much about you but i grasped a lot of you by small details, like being a father, dating a woman with a kid already, i guess says a lot of a man 8D
 
9:29 PM
@Wes lul. I am just a kid trapped in an grown ups life.
 
user652649
ahah bullshit
 
@Wes its true.
I mean it, I am happy with it.
 
user652649
well so it's even better, your abilities in fitting grown ups life are remarkable xD
 
user652649
now it's time to start to work jesus i don't even know how to start
 
I won't even ask ...
 
user652649
9:40 PM
and i wouldn't even try to answer xD
 
user652649
how would you call a string that acts as a textual ID? i have ID already and that's numeric
 
user652649
something like "token"
 
user652649
but looks wrong
 
name
 
user652649
i have that as well, but it's a regular text, like a title
 
9:44 PM
why 2 unique ids?
 
user652649
because i want a string easily attributable to an object
 
lost
 
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echo _(22); // wtf
echo _("site.configs.welcome_message"); // easy(sier) to remember
 
user652649
i guess i'll go with "token"
 
user652649
oop programming is tough
 

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