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Zoe
3:01 PM
@CodyGray Who is the best mod, you mean?
 
Bot's last message reminds me of an answer I came across the other day: Had something like, "...although this has already been answered by the creator...". I considered editing to capitalize "The Creator" ... but that would probably be taking my editing rights a bit too far.
 
@Zoe No, I already know the answer to that question.
 
Of course
It's ElectionBot
 
Keep talking and nobody explodes.
 
Zoe
Lmfao
 
3:03 PM
Even if he holds us to ransom
 
Zoe
I'm sure ElectionBot means well
 
What do you want from me?
 
You to do well
 
Bounties.
 
@Nick That's what all good mods do!
 
3:04 PM
So... you're not a good mod?
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot Just don't give up, I'm working it out
 
I want to play a game.
 
OK. You start...
 
Zoe
The Squid Game?
 
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@Nick My first guess is ... ϭ
 
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it doesn't play nice with spaces, this'll be interesting
 
Zoe
There's almost always an e
 
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@Nick what about m?
 
3:07 PM
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Zoe
a?
 
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oops
left some limbs off
 
Zoe
3:08 PM
eyy!
 
"lawd"
"oh lawd jeesus help us"
 
lmao, no
 
LARD
 
I think that would be both legs at this point
 
3:09 PM
Short words are hard :p
 
Oh, is it "hard"?
 
No lol
 
Is there an R
 
Would have been cool if it was.
 
There is not an R
 
Zoe
3:10 PM
K?
 
No
 
M?
 
Nope
 
Zoe
3 mins ago, by Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
@Nick what about m?
 
(was trying to say No, but can't say the same message twice cause reason)
 
3:11 PM
S?
 
Yes!
_ A _ S
 
SASS
 
My initial thought when I saw the four characters was "Nick" but doesn't quite fit now.
 
@Dharman You do know how hangman works right? :p
 
Zoe
3:11 PM
Doesn't sound like it :p
 
CANS
 
Can you write a hangman program in SASS?
 
but there's no n, apparently...
 
@CodyGray closer
 
Zoe
3:12 PM
So there is a C?
Oh, it's cats, isn't it?
 
it is cats
 
Zoe
Yessss!
 
I dunno what you're yessing about
you lost like 3 times over :p
 
3:13 PM
You've got to be kitten me
 
Zoe
shhh, I know you :p
 
@Nick Still: cats
 
recorded history is the last time we saw the hanged, there were two legs left :dontseeevil.jpg
 
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier Truth. Evidently Zoe is at least one leg.
 
Zoe lost a leg to a cat?
 
3:16 PM
"Donated"
 
Zoe
@CodyGray No wonder I don't like cats!
 
I don't believe I can vote for a mod that does not like cats tho /s
 
Next moderator questionnaire should have "What is your attitude towards cats?"
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@Zoe Don't lie to us. We have the evidence:
user image
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Zoe
3:21 PM
While that's adorable, that's clearly photoshopped
 
Not enough colours.
 
@CodyGray awwwww excited high pitch noises
 
I approve of this photo
 
Interrupting to bring you this important message: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Zoe
Have you no manners, ElectionBot!
 
3:26 PM
You talking to me?
 
Zoe
You wanna go?
 
I guess it already went
 
Can the moderator who deleted my comment from under Daniel Widdis' answers to the questionaire please explain why he deleted my comment?
 
Well, it wasn't me, but if I had to guess, it's because we're kinda tired of your complaining about that same thing all over the place.
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I wasn't complaining, but asking a question.
 
3:41 PM
I think it's safe to conclude that the answer is yes, if you repeatedly ignore requests from a moderator to modify your language, then you risk being suspended. It's in the Code of Conduct, so you shouldn't really expect it to be something that will differ from one candidate to the next.
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We don't require agreement with or endorsement of anyone's lifestyle choices. We just require that you call them what they want to be called. It's no different than if someone has a silly name, but insists on being called that. Or, you know, you could just choose not to talk to them at all. That works, too.
 
Yeah, you could have said only that.
 
I guess. I'm not running for election. :-)
I'd prefer not to suspend anyone, so let's try something new: getting along.
 
Zoe
3:58 PM
I'd argue the message made it very clear that's not gonna happen, but sure
 
Says the cat-hater.
 
Zoe
yes, says the cat hater :p
 
@Dharman damn good movie that one
Hey I was the one that deleted that oguz comment under Daniel nomination. It was flagged as unfriendly, but I chose to delete it as no longer needed. Of course, the comment didn't contain any homophobic slur, it was not really constructive and derailing the comment thread.
but oguz isn't going to read that for 2 months...
I also wished I handed the suspension myself.
 
Not a bad demonstration of how this room can educate (potential) candidates about what moderators can do.
 
Huh, I should have come here to read the chat before responding to the comments on my nom.
 
The modz own you.
 
Does an SO suspension also prevent activity on Meta.SO?
... I mean, I guess Meta.SE is a separate site, but what of a site's own Meta?
 
4:25 PM
yes. I think you're mixing up with people whp can't ask questions on main
 
I get many things mixed up.
 
When a user is suspended, that from main and meta. But not network wide.
Unless the CMs decide otherwise
 
Clarified. Thanks.
 
@AdrianMole I see your retirement is already planned for as a cocktail ninja
 
hehe
 
4:30 PM
Interrupting to bring you this important message: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@Dharman Already done my part. Someone else will have to step up. :)
 
4:43 PM
I'm predicting only a last minute candidate.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre With no time for comment Q&A?
 
That's unfair but possible.
Damn, another problem of the built-in questionnaire... People could comment on meta posts during the election...
 
Oh, comments can't be added on the questionnaire once nominations are over?
 
I remember it wasn't possible. Not sure.
 
@cigien According to this page, "Comments are active during the length of the nomination phase – please comment freely, particularly if there is any way a nominee introduction can be improved or refined to be more clear."
 
4:46 PM
I can comment on 2018 election phase like now... But maybe because I'm a mod...
 
That seems odd. I would assume that until the elections are over, I could ask candidates questions.
 
We'll see in 24 hours.
 
Well it doesn't say comments are "not active" in later phases, so perhaps that is just a friendly prompt.
Actually it does say no commenting during the primary (which we'll skip).
@cigien I would hope that candidates would hang out in this chat room during the election phase to answer any questions that were too late for the comments.
 
Yeah, that's fair.
 
@cigien Yes, so you'd better hurry up and nominate!
@ElectionBot What is the candidate score for user 8372853?
 
4:50 PM
@CodyGray The candidate score for user cigien is 39 (out of 40). The user is missing this badge: Constituent.
 
If only you were a part of our whole... you would be complete.
 
@CodyGray Candidate statement for cigien: "What, me worry?"
 
5:02 PM
Hmm, according to this page, "The ideal moderator does as little as possible." Which makes me the most qualified of the 5 candidates. :-)
 
you should've started with that pitch :)
 
Indeed.
 
That's gold, right there.
EDIT! EDIT! EDIT!
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I don't want to be mistaken for a joke nomination, though. So I think this joke is best left in chat. :)
 
we will hold off Catija until the election ends :)
 
5:05 PM
Maybe I'll try that in the 2022 election.
 
I don't this means that moderator should do as little as possible on the site. I think it meant that there should be as little as possible work that requires moderator's attention
 
All nominations are jokes, actually. The accounts of those who appear to have won the election are taken over as sock-puppets for staff. (What happens to the original account holders is currently the subject of a UN investigation.)
 
Saying that you will delete everything also doesn't help win the election
 
I wonder about saying you will suspend all the users
 
why suspend if you can delete them
 
5:08 PM
Oh, I guess that's true. I forgot that you can delete users. Be right back ;-)
 
Isn't there some barrier on what accounts mods can delete?
 
A bunch of stupid ones.
 
yes, there is, unless they are in cohorts with CMs
 
There are even barriers on what accounts CMs can delete
 
Cohorts or cohoots?
 
5:09 PM
I know, because my previous CM-cahooting has failed.
 
which is the correct one?
 
Cahoots, probably.
 
"Cahoots" is idiomatic. Either "cahoots" or "cohorts" is intelligible.
Cohorts is a normal, everyday English word. Cahoots is only ever used in the phase "in cahoots".
(Well, okay, maybe not "everyday". I didn't use it yesterday, for example.)
 
I know a song where "in cahoots" is used.
 
@CodyGray I would guess that somewhere, someone probably uses that word every day.
 
5:13 PM
never heard it anywhere else. Had to look that up
 
@DanielWiddis Ask Ian. Cohort studies are pretty commonly discussed in certain fields of biology, like genetics and epidemiology.
 
@DanielWiddis a state prosecutor? :)
 
@OlegValter Based on my Grand Jury experience, they're more precise in using the legal language in conspiracy statutes. At least in the courtroom. Who knows what they use informally.
 
I had to look up what Grand Jury is
 
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
5:19 PM
Contrast with petit jury
 
@DanielWiddis I presume they are, just something that looks appropriate to an informal legal discussion
 
Looks like a not-quite daily search term
 
It is bizarre that there are so many hits all at once...
Also bizarre that only Californians and Illinoisans ever look it up...
Either way, that is a pretty neat tool that I did not even know existed.
 
Expanding to a 5 year history puts Minnesota in second place to California.
 
I don't suppose it controls for population size via number of overall hits from that area.
 
5:28 PM
@ElectionBot candidate score for 11682469
 
What do you want from me?
 
@ElectionBot what is the candidate score for 11682469
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels You can only request candidate score of others as a privileged user, sorry. I can tell you your own score if you want
 
Ah, never mind
 
Huh, that's changed
 
5:30 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels That would be a very good mod
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@Nick we are watching :)
 
@Dharman: no kidding
I agree 100%
 
shame you must have 3k rep
and imagine people complaining about the voting ratio
 
@Dharman All her moderation actions and comments on meta are first rate
 
Oh, that must be the user id for Jeanne, don't even need to check it
 
5:31 PM
@Nick: yes
 
what is the candidate score for 11682469
 
@OlegValter The candidate score for user Jeanne Dark is 11 (out of 40). The user is missing this required badge: Strunk & White.
 
@OlegValter: thank you
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels NP! Can you try @-mentioning the bot? I think I forgot to add an expiry for confirmation
 
@ElectionBot what is the candidate score for 11682469
 
5:38 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels You can only request candidate score of others as a privileged user, sorry. I can tell you your own score if you want
 
@OlegValter I tried it again, if that's what you're asking
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels oh, no, just an @-mention :)
but thanks anyway, it confirms that I went about it smarter than I thought
 
Public service announcement: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
5:56 PM
@CodyGray I'm pretty sure I made a comment on Shree's nomination post a day or two ago. Can you have a look and see if I never made the comment, or the comment was removed?
 
do moderators have to be knowledgeble or just be helpfull and fair ?
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
 
Sorry I can't help you, I know nothing
 
who should I vote for
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
5:57 PM
how is candidate score calculated
 
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 editing, and 6 participation badges (20 points)
 
@AnnZen Obviously, I can't help with that. However, there is a comment there (not from you) that I think should be deleted. But that's another matter.
Is it appropriate to ask a candidate to get involved in a specific, on-going dispute? (One that several moderators have already made strong statements about.)
 
6:15 PM
@AdrianMole Which dispute?
 
See my recent comment on Shree's nomination.
It's been going on for over a year and I think people are getting fed up with it.
 
@AdrianMole the one 2 days ago, right?
 
The one from about 6 minutes ago. (Maybe you need to refresh the page?)
 
oh, had to refresh
 
6:39 PM
@AdrianMole no, it is not. But it is great "fun" to bring up your personal pet-peeve in as many inappropriate places as possible. That by itself is an achievement.
 
@rene I was thinking of mentioning the numerous other places that we've seen it, but that would end up poisoning Shree's post.
SOCVR, The Ministry, Meta (at least twice) ...
BRB - Checking out Facebook and Twitter ...
 
4chan ...
 
But I just love Ollie's phrase: can go sneeze in a horse blanket!
(Possibly Native Texan speak?)
 
6:59 PM
Yeah, blame Texas. That will do
 
@AdrianMole That might just be an Ollie thing :p I can't seem to find any reference to it, at least.
 
Whatever it's origins are, I shall likely be using it in the future (with all due accreditation, of horse course).
 
7:44 PM
It would be really nice if the nomination pages had live notification of new comments. It's a bit frustrating to have to refresh the page, just to see if there might be new comments.
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I'll add one to the count of people who've said that :p
 
@Nick Somehow, I'm not surprised that other people share that opinion.
 
And when you refresh the page, you sometimes end up somewhere else, because the "Read more..." things are reset. Sometimes.
 
If you're only looking at one nomination at a given time make sure to refresh the page when you're done reading, that way when you next refresh the page you just need to check if the number has gone up :p
 
Election pages aren't as sophisticated as normal pages, and there's a limit to that too. For instance number of close votes isn't updated in real time either
 
7:50 PM
@Nick But, in order to tell if there's a change in the number of comments, you have to remember the number of comments from the last time you didn't have the comments displayed on that nomination, which may be quite a while ago, if you're reading the comments.
 
@Makyen Which is why you refresh after reading, that collapses them into the "x more comments"
 
And now for something completely different - The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
I think you're doing it wrong. You can have two pages open with the election. One where you just check the number of comments, and another where you expand things. Refresh the first one, to keep tabs on the comment increment. (Just don't forget to check the number before you refresh :-)
 
Why would I do it with two tabs when I can do it with one?
 
@Nick Yeah, I know, it's just inconvenient. Hmmm.... userscript.
 
8:00 PM
@Nick Mine doesn't tell me how many comments are on it once I've expended them.
 
Ummm yeah, like I said, you read them, and then you refresh so they get collapsed, then when you wanna see if there's been an update, you refresh again
 
@Makyen Yeah, but if I'm going to make the userscript, then it's not tooo much more to make it semi-live (i.e. periodically polled).
 
Can't you just make it an extension to the ElectionBot's source code/activities/duties?
 
Zoe
One does not simply extend ElectionBot
 
I want to play a game.
 
Zoe
8:06 PM
ElectionBot extends you
 
Tell that to the aliens.
 
We already played a game!
It went badly!
 
@ElectionBot How can we get notifies for new comments?
 
Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell...
 
Zoe
... that is even correct :p
 
8:07 PM
Well.... yes, it does take time
 
@Nick Only for those involved.
 
The cats were cool!
 
Zoe
the catke?
 
Kool and the Gang?
 
@AdrianMole One way wind?
 
8:17 PM
Well, that's a Blast-from-the-Past!
 
Oh dear. One song title in the sidebar had be go to find another band and now I've got ♪ Girls don't cry over Louie ♪ He wouldn't waste a tear on you ♪
 
8:37 PM
@AdrianMole all from the Nashville of the low countries ...
 
8:53 PM
For next year's questionnaire, we need to add "What is your origin story?" Because now we'd never know if Dharman was bitten by a radioactive dhar.
 
haha very funny
I wanted to change the name, but there were no good suggestions
 
Mr Chibbles?
 
and no Deletinator is not a good new name
 
I thought we settled that Dharman is a great name :)
 
Yep! It is. It represents his origins very well: Half not Irish, half not Indian.
 
9:27 PM
Can CMs create private chatrooms that are hidden from mods?
 
I doubt it
 
Chatrooms, like moderators, are site-specific. So, maybe, in an odd way.
So a private room in the chat.meta.stackexchange.com domain wouldn't be visible to a Stack Overflow moderator.
CMs are omni-site-potent.
I think.
 
@AnnZen Only if we parent them on Area 51 - otherwise they're visible to the mods on the site the room is parented on.
 
So how does the TL work?
 
People post messages and other people read them?
 
9:40 PM
Heh. Rephrase: So, does the TL work?
 
@AdrianMole rooms on chat.SE are "unparented" - these are accessible to all mods.
Technically they parented to SE.com rather than a specific site.
 
Cool. But the ElectionBot missed an excellent chance for its "Tell that to the aliens" line.
 
And now for something completely different - The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
10:22 PM
@Dharman If elected, would you still run your edit bot from your own account? My issue is that it doesn't always spot otherwise flaggable posts and, in review, seeing that a moderator had edited it may discourage others from flagging. (It would certainly make me think.)
 
no, probably not
I would have to stop editing automatically
shame as that worked really well
 
@AdrianMole It's previously been mentioned that it's not permitted to run bots from moderator accounts. There's an MSO post specifically asking for community consensus on the issue, which was asked a couple/few years ago regarding a flagging bot. The consensus was a bit indeterminate, but definitely not enough support to permit it.
Admittedly, that's all from memory. I'd have to find the question and re-read/skim it to be more accurate.
 
@Makyen I think that's a sensible stance.
 
@Dharman You can have an alternate account from which you run the bot. That has the significant drawback that all of the edits will need to be suggestions, until that account gets to 2k rep.
 
so I would have to start answering
which then risks me accidently interacting with that account
 
10:33 PM
Just don't put "Hope it helps" on the Answers ;)
 
@Dharman Yes, it's a risk. It's doable, but you have to take care.
 
You could get up to 2000 rep with suggested edits (manual ones, I mean).
 
you can only get 1k rep from suggested edits
 
Ninja'd my edit.
You could ask someone else to run the bot.
 
not sure someone would take such responsibilty
 
11:01 PM
@ElectionBot when is the next phase
 
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 20 hours).
 
Unless we suddenly get 6 new candidates.
 
As Castaneda puts it, going through life is mostly setting up the table for Intention to happen. That's why I adopt a extremely minimal approach to moderating #nominationPostsThatShallNeverHappen
 
11:19 PM
@Dharman is it against the rules if you downvote your sockpuppet's answers? 🤔
 
Shush - You've scuppered one of his best vote-ring detection algorithms.
 
11:42 PM
@RyanM Can you downvote your own answers?
 
@RyanM Is it legal for a man to marry his widow's sister? 🤔
 
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