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10:00 PM
Passing it off to some post-doc?
 
I've been meaning to track down your publications to learn what it is you actually study.
Something something plants.
 
Or just going into "emeritus" status, so you can get rid of that teaching business and really focus on research?
 
@CodyGray Somebody else will take over.
@CodyGray Hmm. It's unlikely that my position will be re-advertised, at least in its current form. But I would like to maintain access to email and other stuff (like the Uni MSDN account), so I can continue to support/maintain the software I have turned out.
 
Whoever takes over isn't going to want a software developer?
Maybe someone who taught Adrian everything he knows about MFC? :-p
 
@CodyGray What's MFC?
 
10:03 PM
Microsoft Foundation Classes
 
Probably not to the same extent. My boss works in a very computer-intensive field. Others can use folks from other schools to write the software they would occasionally need.
 
Yeah, that's true
Just find a collaborator
Also read as: Grad student in another department who'll do anything for their name on a publication.
 
We'll see. If a vacancy comes up, I'll give the heads-up somewhere in chat.
 
To be fair, I'll do almost anything for my name on a publication
 
Not tenured yet?
 
10:05 PM
I'm tenured. But that doesn't mean any successor will be.
 
That's a ways off. If tenure will even exist then.
 
I have not heard any talk about eliminating it.
@AdrianMole Wait, really? I didn't know you were even tenure-track. I thought you were just a research-assistant type role.
 
A number of major institutions have decided to not create new tenure track positions. University of Washington for example.
 
Wow, interesting. I had not heard that.
 
@CodyGray What's that just doing in there? ;)
 
10:07 PM
Stanford is about the only academic institution I'm really involved with these days.
@AdrianMole Well... generally research assistants aren't tenure-track...
 
At my institution there are 3 non-tenure-track faculty types. That's how much they go out of the way to not grant tenure.
 
But, we have various levels, grades and types of support staff/technicians. Some (like me) are what's called "core funded" - most new ones are on grant-only salaries: no more grants, then job ends.
 
@IanCampbell Wow. What is the objection?
 
I think it's mostly the fear that people will do something highly objectionable and then it's hard to fire them.
 
That seems mostly contrived.
 
10:11 PM
Last time, ElectionBot stopped functioning. Let's try it.
 
reticulating splines
 
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
 
Oh, it still works.
 
Also, accounting stuff. You have to have enough money in your department coffers to fund all of your tenure track faculty portfolio in case grants dry up.
 
10:11 PM
election schedule
 
Stack Overflow Election 13 Schedule
Nomination: 2021-10-11 20:00:00Z <-- current phase
Primary:    never
Election:   2021-10-18 20:00:00Z
Ended:      2021-10-26 20:00:00Z
 
how to vote
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
Ended? is that past tense? :)
 
Yes, that's probably a bug.
Either that, or ElectionBot has been going 88 mph in a DeLorean and set the time to next year.
 
10:12 PM
Not a bug, they invented time travel.
 
I am tempted...
 
@IanCampbell I get part of my salary paid from grants. Potentially, all of it. But, there's a government body that underwrites pay for all core-funded/tenured staff.
 
"Primary" should probably also be something like "not [yet] required", rather than "never".
@AdrianMole A government body? Ian and I are in the US. We cannot understand this.
 
@AdrianMole That's interesting. I had no idea.
 
If I remember correctly, most of the research assistants on staff at Texas were funded by grants when possible, but the department would pay their salaries in the event that someone's lab was in-between funding.
 
10:14 PM
In the US, the funds are either in the institution's endowment or a fund specifically created for a particular position (ie an endowed professorship)
 
SHEFC Scottish (Higher Education) Funding Council.
 
@Someone_who_likes_SE why is that a bug?
 
That's it, I'm moving to Scotland.
 
@OlegValter It should be "End", not "Ended". Bad grammar is a bug.
@IanCampbell Just take Adrian's house as he moves to Laos.
Maybe he'll even leave the cupboard stocked.
 
Random fact, my sister-in-law is actually a professor in Edinburgh
 
10:16 PM
Primary is never? ElectionBot actually has a time machine!
 
reticulating splines
 
I love this image: kid uses government funds to manufacture LSD tablets.
 
@CodyGray oh, no, no, it's the phase's name :) It will have ended by the time is October, 27th
 
I hope this message will not trigger Election​B​ot.
 
@Someone_who_likes_SE don't trigger me!
 
10:16 PM
What?
 
@OlegValter Now we're getting Heideggerian. I guess if Death is a phase of Life, then Ended must also be a phase of Election.
 
exactly
 
@ElectionBot manual I belive
 
I know your thoughts.
 
Still! "Dead" is not a phase of Life, and "Ended" isn't a phase of "Election".
 
10:17 PM
Election​B​ot actually can detect zero width spaces! And predict the future.
 
@AnnZen There is no manual for ElectionBot.
 
Houston, we have a problem.
 
@CodyGray says you! :)
 
@CodyGray I meant I believe the "don't trigger me!" was manually sent :)
 
@CodyGray Great caption
 
10:18 PM
clearly is: @typedef {"ended"|"election"|"primary"|"nomination"|"cancelled"} ElectionPhase
 
"Election" is a phase of "Election"?
It's so meta!
 
well...
don't blame us :)
 
Don't worry, there's plenty of blame to go around.
 
If I ask for the official documentation for ElectionBot, would it be closed as a resource request?
 
as a duplicate of the GitHub's README
 
10:20 PM
Please tell me I overlooked when they introduced that feature.
 
Brutal
 
@IanCampbell on a more serious note, I am not even joking, here is the manual
 
Ok, I finished writing answers to the questionnaire. Should I post it now or sleep on it?
 
Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell...
 
Ummm, I think that means sleep on it?
 
10:22 PM
@Dharman the bot suggests you sleep on it
 
Competition is heating up!
 
@Dharman Post it when you have time to respond to comments.
 
@OlegValter Does ElectionBot have any hidden functionalities for users to discover (like doing math), or are they all used by now?
 
doing math?
 
@ElectionBot What is 2 + 2?
 
10:23 PM
reticulating splines
 
@ElectionBot 7 + 6
 
Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into!
 
4 + 2 = 42
 
@OlegValter I expected to see a photo of Mr. Astley, but I was pleasantly surprised.
 
@OlegValter No mention of "joke" in the manual...
 
10:25 PM
@IanCampbell no, I don't do bait-and-switch :)
 
@AnnZen Manuals often don't document all features
 
@AnnZen did I say it is a definitive guide? :)
 
:D
 
Undocumented features aren't worth the paper they're written on.
 
I sense a New York Times Best Seller, Election Bot: The Definitive Guide
 
10:27 PM
by the time of the next election it will probably require one :)
 
But, ElectionBot has hidden talent: see here and here.
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
by the time of next election, it will be the electionBot deciding who should become a mod
 
I'd rather see more of an Election Bot Tells All on the NYT best-seller list.
 
10:29 PM
Inside the Box: The Extraordinary Journey of ElectionBot
 
I know your thoughts.
 
see?
 
I worry a certain maintainer might win by Belarusian election margins if ElectionBot were in charge.
 
The Box Where It Happened: A Stack Overflow Election Memoir
 
Once upon a time in a chat
 
10:31 PM
@IanCampbell those aren't good enough, I prefer Russian election margins
 
Haha
And on that note, I'm off to dinner. Happy ElectionBot fixing.
 
reticulating splines
 
have a nice meal!
 
Is it dinner time?
Time zones.
 
For some of us it's always dinner time :)
 
10:40 PM
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 2 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@ElectionBot When's dinner-time?
 
Tell that to the aliens.
 
I don't think they know...
 
you'll never know if you don't ask?
 
Who are the aliens?
 
10:43 PM
ask Cody, they seem to know each other
 
@Scratte That's classified.
 
I see you're stating off nicely not giving out any information while still responding :P
 
11:00 PM
Is that link subtle self promotion or intentional?
 
Self-promotion?
 
You think Cody is Eminem? :D
 
Wait, I never checked what was behind that link.
 
I see. You thought I was an owl.
 
someone needs to check their flags! they do not follow the links before declaring self-promotion :)
 
11:02 PM
I like Scratte's theory better.
 
that you are a squid?
 
That I'm Eminem.
 
oh, that theory
 
Or...Anchorman.
 
Well.. maybe you're really a squid that's posing as Eminem :)
You know, they can change colours and stuff..
 
11:07 PM
Enum ?
 
I don't think Eminem changed colors.
He's always been that color.
 
On another note: Who can guess how many years ago the first edition of the (book form) of "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy" was published? xD
 
42
 
A reasonable estimate! :)
... I was a day late. Published October 12th, 1979.
 
It's still October 12 for me.
 
11:11 PM
OK - even in UTC-land, it's still yesterday.
 
Why do people send me low-resolution pictures and think that that is supposed to tell me something useful?
Response: "I cannot tell anything from this picture. Can you please describe the differences in detail?"
 
Can't recognize rene in low resolution?
 
Response: Another low-resolution picture
Argh!
 
Are you talking about the avatars?
 
No
This is something work-related
 
11:13 PM
I don't even want to know what kind of picture people are sending you :O
 
So you can't use the "Data/Code as Images" canned comment?
 
They're pictures of naked PCBs!
@AdrianMole Only because it's not code.
 
@CodyGray OMG! Can't you blow them?.. up? :)
 
Unfortunately, I don't have the CSI tools, so it doesn't help to improve the resolution, no matter how hard I blow.
 
Images of code never stop
 
11:16 PM
That's not a naked PCB..
 
#1 on the questionnaire should be "How do you handle an image of code?"
 
That one is at least very nice and high resolution.
@Someone_who_likes_SE Did James McNellis ask a new question?
 
@Someone_who_likes_SE That's too easy. Close..
@CodyGray That is on my list of favorites. It's awesome :)
 
@CodyGray now I get why it's locked
 
You didn't get it before?
 
11:19 PM
There was a question I saw once, way back, about whether or not text written on paper was a standard-conforming source for C++. I'll see if I can dig it out...
 
@AdrianMole Different than the one I already linked?
 
Yes. It was a (semi-) serious question.
 
GMan already tells us it's compiler-dependent.
 
There is of course also the french one
 
You mean the "me too" one.
 
11:21 PM
no idea
 
I mean... it was posted a year or two after James's, and was clearly based on it, so I'm calling it "me too". Sorry that was confusing... it didn't have anything to do with the sexual abuse movement.
This is the problem with appropriating common phrases to describe movements.
 
oh yes, the me too movement, where several false allegations were made by abusers
 
LOL! I never got to this one before:
> Is your compiler set in expert mode?! If yes, it shouldn't compile. Modern compilers are tired of "Hello World!"
 
@Nick Abusers of C++ compilers
 
:p
 
11:27 PM
BBC would like to announce that: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 2 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Who is the best candidate?
 
@CodyGray I cannot meddle in elections
 
@ElectionBot BBC!?
 
May the Force be with you.
 
@Someone_who_likes_SE do you accuse BBC of meddling in elections?
 
11:36 PM
No. Just curious.
 
BBC cover SO election ?
 
this year they do - did you miss the memo?
 
Special coverage by Sir David Attenborough
 
BBC => Barmy Bot Commentary?
 
Yep memo pls .
 
11:38 PM
@CodyGray I wish!
 
Context:
Oh, I thought Our Planet was an extended allegory for the problems on Stack Overflow. The plastics that trap wildlife are like the low-quality questions that trap experts. The walruses falling off the cliff are like the legitimate questions that never get answered because they're crowded out by garbage. You mean there exist problems that are larger than this web site? — Cody Gray ♦ Apr 17 '19 at 4:15
Pan to David Attenborough talking about observing a rare moderator in their natural habitativarni Oct 18 '19 at 4:19
 
so are we observing the mating season then..? :)
 
Something like that, I suppose.
 
hmm, is this a new form of budding?
 
You want to be my buddy?
 
11:47 PM
oh, I am not yet? sniff :(
 
I think everything is up for grabs now.
 
will there be a separate election for being your buddy?
 
I have auto-buddy set for all new moderators.
 
you don't auto-buddy old moderators?
 
I don't usually revisit the status. Buddy for life, and all.
 
11:57 PM
You mean ex-moderators? Or old grumpy moderators?
 
tempting offer - so the only way to fall out of grace is bad grammar?
 

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