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9:00 AM
> Look at Donald Trump for example -- highly offensive to anyone with a brain, and yet he was (in title) president of the USA.
 
A ringing endorsement, if I've ever heard one!
 
Not sure if that's a compliment or not. And to whom.
 
Mine is about 1:15 on main, meta it's a bit more even, I don't even know why, there's a lot of junk there too... I guess Cody cleans it up before I get to downvote, he likes keeping "his" site clean :p
 
There's a lot of good stuff on Meta, too!
And I don't even delete the bad stuff there.
 
Zoe
@Nick The threshold for upvotes is lower on meta
higher?
whatever xd
Possibly the other low
 
9:03 AM
Meaning... you just have to manage something barely coherent to earn an upvote on Meta?
 
I'm about 5:1 on Meta.SO. Good chunk of good stuff, some bad stuff, lots of "meh"
 
Yeah, the post just has to be not bad, whereas on main it has to be good and helpful to me personally
 
My standard on Meta is more of, "not wrong".
Whereas downvotes are for "not even wrong".
 
I'm pretty sure you've downvoted me at least once on meta, but I like to think I do better than "not even wrong" ;-)
 
I'm skeptical of anyone with a positive upvote-to-downvote ratio on main.
@RyanM Have I? I don't recall that.
 
9:07 AM
@CodyGray what about those people that only upvote
 
Well, downvotes on questions are a bit different. You probably posted a feature request I disagreed with. Something like, "reduce the privileges given to mods who wear glasses" or whatever.
@Nick Shudder.
Shutter?
 
Shudder
Unless you want to shutter them, in which case, feel free
 
Mmm, perhaps that was unclear. I wasn't asking if the spelling/word choice was correct. Yes, exactly.
Again, homonym puns. It's a regular thing; buckle in.
Equally, I'm not a huge fan of only downvoting. There is some good content, and it does deserve recognition.
 
Buckle in? Pfft, not even the classic "Buckle up, buttercup"
 
You haven't flipped my switch yet
 
9:10 AM
Oh, are you x-ray specs?
 
I suspect that would be less pleasant than one naively imagines.
 
That's why you need an on off switch :p
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there is 1 candidate. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Speaking of off switches...
 
@Zoe My candidate question ended up getting outvoted by others, but it'd be nice if you answered this one: to summarize, as a site mod, you'll also get mod access here in SO chat. Sometimes, tense situations such as disagreements/fights among users that can't be handled by ROs can occur. How would you handle such situations, and when would you use your chat mod tools?
 
9:20 AM
Why wouldn't a room owner be able to handle such situations? I'm trying to imagine a scenario where a mod could handle a chat issue like that better than RO.
The only thing I can think of is if the user was misbehaving in multiple rooms, then you'd need a mod to see all of the evidence and issue a site-wide suspension.
 
have to go now! Bye
 
@CodyGray If they continue acting up after getting repeatedly kicked, or if the activity goes across multiple rooms where a given user is not an RO, a mod would have to issue a chat suspension.
 
The handling seems fairly straightforward, then. :-)
 
Also, ROs are required to enter a detailed reason for a room timeout, while mods don't; per the chat moderation FAQ on the global meta, this is explicitly so mods can quickly resolve tense situations when they're called in
 
Zoe
"that can't be handled by ROs" is far too broad to give a concrete answer as well. The only cases a RO can't handle it is where the user becomes a problem and needs a warning or a suspension, and potentially room-related problems or various forms of abuse. There's too much missing context (and I don't have any idea what exact tools are available, beyond flagging, deleting, freezing, timeouts, and kicking). Re: your example though, that's not particularly something that requires special handling.
 
9:23 AM
@gparyani Hah! I did not know that.
A reason seems like it should be required. Although I'd likely freeze first, then compose the reason. That's how most of the mods and staff I've seen have done it, too.
 
Zoe
@gparyani And that's a problem because...? A reason could just be "Timeout to stop an ongoing situation" - there's no quality restriction on the reason either
I think just "timeout" is fine too
 
> STAHPPIT!
So many good options.
 
Zoe
it was fine with the amazing reason "t" as well
No, really. Just t
 
Now I need to find a chat room that needs freezing.
 
9:25 AM
I thought f was the normal single-letter reason?
 
@Zoe Couple of related questions: first, would you take an active role in moderating chat, or would you constrain your duties to just the main site? Second, as a mod anywhere on the network, you also have mod access on the general SE chat server, i.e. on all site rooms except Meta.SE; would you moderate rooms on other sites?
 
Kind of like a "t", I guess, but... different.
Ooh, more questions! As a mod, you would have access to the network-wide Teachers' Lounge, a semi-private chat room that all network mods have access to. Would you plan on spending time there, telling the other mods off when they're wrong?
 
Not to mention moderating the moderator Team
 
Teams can't really be "moderated".
 
@gparyani Please tell me the moderators aren't all admins on the moderator Team, that sounds like it'd be madness.
 
Zoe
9:28 AM
@gparyani Active? Probably not. It's not particularly easy to find problematic content in chat, because, well, chat. I barely handle flags as it is, because they appear silently while I'm doing other stuff, and they're handled faster than I can react. My answer was in the one-off event where I actually notice flags or something that requires moderator intervention
 
@CodyGray Now I'm wondering if you even know the origin of F...
 
@Nick to pay respects?
 
Zoe
Doesn't mean I'll only moderate on main though - it's not an either-or situation, but one that's based on my fairly limited view of how the very, very bad chat moderation tools work
 
@Nick I most certainly do. It derives from the sixth letter of the Greek alphabet, "digamma". In early Latin, "f" was combined with "h", but the "h" was quickly dropped, leaving just the letter "f" to represent the unvoiced labial spirant.
 
:groan:
 
Zoe
9:31 AM
Oh yeah, that thing
 
Upon further reflection, I like Cody's explanation better than mine.
 
I guess the thing I'm trying to get at is that the system just expects users who've been elected/appointed to moderate the site to also moderate chat, even though that's not what many users who sign up to be a mod are expecting to do. There's a longstanding Meta.SE request for SE to appoint a team of dedicated chat mods
 
I was pretty open about my intention not to moderate chat, especially because I didn't even use it the time I ran for moderator election.
I don't think there's any expectation that site moderators will moderate chat. Chat.SE in particular has plenty of moderators. And Chat.SO is quite well-moderated by room owners and 10k+ users who can handle flags.
If mods need to step in, it is in truly exceptional circumstances, where it doesn't require a lot of nuance or familiarity with culture.
 
I guess my perspective of chat is colored by chat.MSE, which has a lot more anarchy by comparison
 
@Nick In this case, though, I meant it more of as "for f's sake".
 
9:34 AM
no more candidates nominating after elections being open for this long?
 
@CodyGray I'll take that as a no then :p
 
well i guess we have the whole week
 
Some are still in editing mode, I think.
@Nick Nah, I've heard of what y'all kiddos have done with letters and language and culture and stuff. I just choose to ignore it.
 
Zoe
@gparyani Sure, and if I do notice problems in chat, I'll look at it. But my current perception is that there's fairly little that requires 10k attention, and even less that requires mod intervention - and I'll rather ask if I'm in doubt about some edge-case when it occurs than vaguely hypothesising at least a couple weeks in advance
 
Yeah, that makes sense.
 
9:35 AM
@RyanM Would you believe it, I think I may have found an Android NullPointerException question that is not a duplicate!
Anecdotally, I have seen very few flags in SO chat. Easily less than a hundred in all the time I've spent here. Which, granted, hasn't been much recently, but averages out to quite a lot of time wasted.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray you were saying?
 
@Zoe Wait, seriously? Stack traces are obfuscated?
 
As I said, the main thing I was trying to ask was whether you were primarily signing up to become a mod of the site only, or if you were also signing up to be a chat mod either here or on other sites.
 
I think it was implied Cody meant not a duplicate of the NPE canonical :p
 
@Zoe bah, beat me to it, and with better dupes...I'd found stackoverflow.com/q/35972003/208273
But yeah Zoe's correct
 
9:38 AM
@gparyani That's... actually a good question. I think you may have been making your earlier attempts (both here and on the Meta questionnaire) a bit too specific.
 
+1 ^
 
@Nick Yes, that's precisely what I meant. And also not a dupe of Ryan's attempted Android NPE canonical.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Some are. There's minification tools
 
I'm glad at least the non-Android programmer could read my mind. :-)
 
@CodyGray you've really gotta think carefully about what to say there :p
 
9:38 AM
Why the f would anyone want to minify or obfuscate a stack trace?
 
I always find the mod questionnaire weird... half of the answers are really "It's very context dependent"
 
@Nick Think of it like a Turing test: if you create a single decision rule for any case or otherwise sound like a robot, then you will fail.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray It's not the stacktrace itself though
 
@CodyGray because Java class files repeat the class names in text more often than would be ideal
 
@CodyGray Thinking about it, I guess that also applies to my heavily-downvoted suggestion on when would one block the reinstatement of a prior mod (but not nearly as much since I'm broad about the disagreement)
 
Zoe
9:39 AM
it's a consequence of minifying the program, which is done by renaming stuff to minimal, single-character names in the final executable
 
@CodyGray Oh, you must be the first AI to pass a turing test then :p
 
sorry for all the pings, @CodyGray
 
@gparyani Meh, maybe. I remember seeing that particular suggestion and being opposed to it on multiple levels.
 
Zoe
It's the hackish equivalent of not compiling with debug information
 
@CodyGray Yeah, as a mod...I don't see why you'd want to give up any type of powerful tool
;)
 
9:40 AM
Mainly, though, I don't think why one would consider blocking reinstatement is relevant to what would make one a good moderator.
@gparyani In fact, I am not sure that I even agree with that mod privilege even existing.
 
@gparyani Yeah, I thought that one was impractical to answer as a hypothetical (I also feel that way somewhat about #10, FWIW, but I've taken a crack anyway...)
 
Although I do think it is essential that it exists if staff is going to have a say.
 
Well, if I like a particular ex-mod, and a candidate has been vocally against them and answers that they'd block a(nyone's) reinstatement request in the case I pointed out, I'd not want to vote for them
 
Well, any sensible candidate wouldn't mention names answering such a question :p
 
Hmm. That seems... I don't know.
Vote for the candidate themselves, not some hypothetical situation that they might find themselves in in the future?
 
9:43 AM
@Nick Hence the "anyone's".
 
Yeah, I skimmed the message, I'm getting ready for a meeting, apols.
> there are hundreds of millions of people who would completely disagree with you. And some of them even had an education.
🤣
 
Are there many former moderators potentially seeking reinstatement who are also vocally opposed by potential candidates?
 
I also see an individual mod blocking a reinstatement request of a mod that was very well-liked by the community as them unilaterally overriding consensus, which I don't like
 
@RyanM I do not know of any.
 
@RyanM I can think of one, possibly two. (Not going to mention who to avoid the conversation going astray.)
 
9:45 AM
I only know of one former moderator whose reinstatement was ever blocked by any of the then-current moderators.
 
Indeed, and I don't believe they have any interest anymore
 
And that particular former moderator is not going to be applying for reinstatement, as far as I know, and... I'm pretty certain that any such attempt would be blocked by staff without ever getting to the mod team.
 
I would have much rather preferred that a reinstatement block must be signed off by a second (or third) mod, rather than it being unilateral
 
Reinstatement of an SO mod has never been unilaterally blocked by a single member of the mod team.
Maybe that's happened on other sites, I don't know.
 
On other sites, a single moderator is also a far larger percentage of the team.
 
9:48 AM
And, I can say that, whenever it's been brought up (we've had several former mods apply for reinstatement), it's always been discussed in the private mod room, which gives everyone a chance to make their case, and even possibly change their mind.
Our goal was to come to a consensus, rather than just vote our first instinct. And that's pretty much always worked.
That's the way I think it should be, of course. I agree that having a single dissenting vote block reinstatement is kinda sus.
 
Anyway, topic change...
 
Even if it were me who cast the dissenting vote!
 
@CodyGray Yes, although that doesn't have to happen from what I understand, the publicized reinstatement process talks about if there are no objections from current mods
 
@CodyGray Was the mod team involved in deciding the number of slots in the election?
 
@gparyani That I couldn't tell you; I haven't been following the mod chat recently. I suspect they discussed it, but 2 slots is pretty standard.
 
9:50 AM
It used to be three in prior years before 2020
 
If it was discussed, it would have been "do y'all want to do 3 slots, or the normal 2?"
Not sure about that!
 
> Y'all
must've been Cat :p
 
Enough for a user to ask on meta why the 2019 or 2020 election only had two slots instead of the "usual" three
 
When I was elected, it was just me and Andy.
 
ugh, chat markdown is so bad
 
9:51 AM
@Nick Remember, I'm also from Texas. My paraphrase would equally look like her quotation.
 
Zoe
@Nick s/markdown//
 
@gparyani Actually, I asked that not even considering the size of historical elections, just the current load on moderators
 
@gparyani That question was not because 3 slots were "usual", but because it was generally known that the mod team was severely understaffed at that time.
 
there's still no way to view the elections overview page during an election, right?
 
Oh, haha. Forgot we had the asker in this room!
@Zoe What? You're talking nonsense, now. Markdown is awesome!
 
9:52 AM
substituting markdown for nothing
 
@RyanM There used to be (enter an invalid election number in the URL bar), but it was removed (such links now properly give 404 errors).
 
as in, chat is bad
 
Oh wait, misread the syntax. Oops.
Chat is still so much better than Discord. You can quote me on that.
 
Sure, everywhere I quote that I'll be sure to mention that you're incorrect :p
 
Zoe
:D
 
9:57 AM
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there is 1 candidate. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
10:30 AM
All the best for all candidates for 2021 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Chat :D
 
Zoe
Ah yes, the candidates. Totally plural
 
We have one. She's a lot.
 
Zoe
Ikr!
 
A total handful
 
11:20 AM
Hi guys
Only one candidate so far still
 
It's early days
nominations have been up for what? 15 hours?
 
Yeah
 
11:46 AM
@AnnZen Which two are you seeing? I'm only seeing one..
 
11:58 AM
One is a series of circles enclosing each other, and the other is an X
I believe this is due to pixel shortage
 
I see. I didn't notice the X. But it was made in paint and it's low resolution, yes :)
I guess it's both an "X marks the spot" and a bullseye at the same time :)
 
12:46 PM
@Scratte yep :)
 
Oddly I don't see the X at all :)
 
@Scratte the X disappears once I zoom in the browser.
 
Maybe my brain is just broken :D
I have a user script that makes the avatar bigger on profiles, and I still don't see it.
 
@Scratte yes, hence the "the X disappears once I zoom in the browser" :)
 
But.. I'm happy with a 2-in-1 avatar :)
 
12:54 PM
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there is 1 candidate. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@AnnZen Awesome! I do not see that version at all :)
Thank you for sharing that :)
 
By the way, why isn't there a meta post for nominations like last year?
 
@AnnZen Because it's on the election page itself.
 
@Scratte Yeah, I know, but why not the meta post too?
 
1:04 PM
@AnnZen Last year it wasn't on the election page at all. So the meta post was needed.
I think it would be silly to have the same questions and the same answers on a meta post. That would just make it a hazzle to make an update.
 
We have a new nomination! Please welcome our latest candidate Johnny Bones!
 
1:22 PM
RIP
Back down to 1
 
Zoe
Fun :')
 
What happened?
 
why was the nomination removed?
 
Candidates may withdraw their nomination any time before the election phase. Nominations made in bad faith, or candidates who do not meet the requirements may also be removed by community managers.
 
1:32 PM
Johnny isn't even in this chat
 
Note that they self-removed.
I don't think it's a requirement for candicates to be in the chat. With less than 30 users here, I'm going to assume we represent a teeny-tiny fractions of voters :)
 
Im a little surprised we still only have one. There's normally more.
 
I recall last year was kind of the same. Very slow start.
 
They submitted nomination to wrong site... apparently
@DaImTo They came in pretty slowly last year too
 
@Nick well its a thankless job i bet.
 
1:39 PM
I think Makyen didn't nominate until 5 days after it began. Yes. July 11th. And it began on July 6th.
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there is 1 candidate. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
ElectionBot, if you participate more on the main site, even you could nominate ;)
 
2:01 PM
good mornings lovelies
@CodyGray I'm sorry, I think a US senator literally produced a meme in front of congress few weeks ago, something about environmental measures and socialism.
 
ok @Dharman won't you join the candidates this year?
 
hmm
 
Do you think I should?
 
Losing once shouldn't deter anyone from trying again
(doesn't apply to Russian Roulette)
 
I gotta admit, I could not prevent a chuckle
 
2:09 PM
Maybe Dharman feels they dodged a bullet ;)
 
that depends on the winning criteria
 
@Dharman While I haven't personally spent the same amount of time interacting with you as others in this chat room, I do think you'd make a good candidate. If not winning the previous election is stopping you from nominating, I encourage you to look past that and reconsider.
 
ATM 1 candidate, 2 positions. 200% chances to win.
@Dharman it's clear that you're interested in moderation given all the (valid) flags you raised those last year alone. We need more people to handle flags directly.
That applies to all people flagging a lot. Why not try to get a diamond?
 
What if someone nominates that no one would want. Would they be auto-elected if there are only 2 candicates?
 
i mean
i'm sure someone would want them
 
2:16 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I ran twice before I got in :)
 
@meagar a lot of people didn't get in at first. I lost once.
@Scratte it never happened before.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Because it means more responsibility and more accountability for anyone that's conscientious at least. I'm not going to pretend I did a whole lot, but my approach to the site would certainly change if I had a diamond. I'd have to actually let go of my weirdo side. Not everyone wants to have to be reasonable and fair all the time :) Some of us like being a little off.
 
If not-so-good people run for the election, it's going to motivate other people to run too to beat them.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Obviously Zoe should become a double mod. Vote Zoe ♦♦!
 
Zoe
had that exact same thought :p
 
2:19 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Wait.. so, you're saying that it would have been a good idea to have kept the joke-nomination? :)
 
@Scratte all I can say is that one joke nomination made me run in 2018.
 
I like where this is going :)
 
 
I suppose there are people out that that are not running now, because they don't feel they need to.. Ha! How ironic :)
@VLAZ Awesome :) I don't see that at all on my screen :'(
 
some people will also wait till the last minute so they won't get so many hate comments below their nominations :)
 
2:24 PM
I think last year's late nomination was due to days spent trying to get under the character limit ;)
@VLAZ Hmm.. would that be a moderator upgrade or a Zoe upgrade? :)
 
Does anyone moderate the nomination comments? There are some pretty shady comments there which don't seem to go away. Like one of the comments talking about "explicitly [stating one's] sex, political or other attitude to gain extra points", whereas this comment is the only mention of sex, political or other attitude, and the only gaining in this context is discrimination against the candidate by this exact comment
 
@Scratte Both, I guess.
 
@AndrasDeak Traditionally, we're fairly hands-off with election stuff.
 
I'm somewhat surprised that low-key discrimination is tolerated. And there's no flag button either.
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oh, there is a flag button
stupid mobile interface
nevermind then, thanks
 
2:29 PM
I'm a bit annoyed that there isn't an automatic update of the comments like for posts, where you at least know there are new comments. I have to refresh the page every time to see if there are new comments at all.
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I think "Vote Rook for Evil" would have made a good campaign poster.
 
Honestly, I think we should allow them.. I'm not sure what changed that they're not allowed this year.
 
@Scratte we need to convince a certain wild carrot that a Boterator would be a good thing :)
 
@OlegValter I already explained to ElectionBot that they need to invest in the site more..
 
2:32 PM
Heh!.. Booty for Boterator! :)
 
@meagar SO in 2011 was wild wild west
 
@meagar At Uni there was a guy running for student council (or something - some sort of election). His name was "Wright" and the campaign posters were all puns. Something like "You can't vote wrong when it's for Wright".
 
May the Force be with you.
 
yeah, I think not allowing bots to run is a bit-based discrimination
 
2:33 PM
@Undo and thanks specifically to you; I won't keep my hopes up
 
... you're welcome, I guess
dashing hopes is kinda my thing
 
heh
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there is 1 candidate. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
What you're saying is that Zoe is still the top candidate
 
Zoe
Yay me! 🥳
 
2:40 PM
and the bottom one :P
 
@AndrasDeak Of course. Well, she's technically also the bottom candidate. And the middle one. Two diamonds might not be enough.
 
Zoe
@VLAZ Let's just round it up to 10 and call it a day
 
Zoe ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦
 
funny thing is that I actually don't think the comment you refer to, @AndrasDeak, is that problematic. Surely, it looks misguided, but it does not look bigoted (as, for example, a certain conversation from earlier) either. It might be harmful for candidate's perception but hey, if that's the worst that can be said about a candidate, that's pretty great (as far as elections go)
 
Many people think many things
 
2:48 PM
if its's matter when Many people think many things on internet ?
 
3:03 PM
well, if light can be considered like matter, what people think can most definitely be seen as matter!
 
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier So, that's what they mean when they say "It's a matter of opinion"!
 
@meagar punishments by that user as a mod would probably include getting hacked :-P
 
well, that wouldn't be just any meager punishment. runs away
 
Is there a way to see the total number of reviews a user has done?
 
3:18 PM
ElectionBot, tell us a joke
 
@SamuelLiew Why do programmers always mix up Halloween and Christmas? Because Oct 31 == Dec 25!
 
I just did two reviews in LQA and it doesn't show in that list
 
3:19 PM
@meagar I am deeply, truly sorry for the probably astronomical amount of such bad jokes you've had with that :P
 
What's funny is how often my name is actually misspelled "eager", even by coworkers. For example, the macbook I'm on right now came pre setup from IT with the wrong name, which broke our AWS integration. I also gave a talk on Go this last week, and my name was misspelled each time it was used in the slide deck :p
FWIW it is pronounced "eager", so it's somewhat understandable.
 
well that is a small consolation
see what I did there?
 
@meagar I admit it took me a while to remember it was gar and not ger
@Dharman do you have some LQA reviews from earlier that do show?
 
Are the comments on Zoe's nomination going to be looked at?
nvoigt's comment is pretty valid
 
@AndrasDeak We added a flag button to comments on elections when we redid the UI earlier this year - for the very reason that we know there have been issues in the past with comments being abusive and having no easy way to get attention to them. Heck, before the changes you couldn't even link to comments on an election, which you can now. We want people to help us see what's over the line so that we can act.
 
3:27 PM
By looked at, I mean removed or edited to include a source at least. Could be completely fake news as far as I am concerned
 
1 hour ago, by Undo
@AndrasDeak Traditionally, we're fairly hands-off with election stuff.
I think it's real hard to strike a just line between leaving place for contrarian voices to have their place and making sure there's no glaringly false stuff that happens.
 
@StephenKing We can always look at the comments - the difficulty is what to do about them. It's fair for people to raise concerns about someone and sometimes citing those concerns isn't possible for various reasons - so, do we remove anything without a link or do we remove everything we (as mods/staff) can't confirm - thus somehow validating anything that's still there - but then possibly inadvertently validating something by just missing it.
There's some stuff that does just need to go - and that's fine - truly abusive or harassing comments will be removed. To some extent, it seems like something that the candidate themselves can have some control over - I think that if a candidate flagged a comment as being totally inaccurate or false, we'd likely consider removing it. If they choose to respond to it directly and put forth their side of the situation, I feel like they are, to some degree, corroborating that statement.
 
@Dharman Actions on or about deleted posts don't show in that list.
 
there's a... very blurry line between harassment and valid criticism during elections that outside of elections would be clearly harassment
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but during an election.. the topic of the discussion is literally the candidate
not some answer, or question, etc
 
What I don't want is a candidate feeling attacked or harassed. So (and this means you, right now, @Zoe - really) I'd hope that anything that crossed the line for a candidate, they'd feel like they could flag. Mods often come under some pressure for the actions they take and being able to respond to those accusations or questions is an important part of moderating - but those questions still need to be framed openly and thoughtfully.
 
3:36 PM
Although to some extent, a potential mod needs to be able to take it on the chin and move on
 
@Dharman No. Deleted posts are removed from the review tab in the profile. You can only count badges to get a more accurate minimum. Example, my tab says "1,935 Reviews", but I have 3 Stewards and one Reviewer on a different queue than the Steward
 
@Nick I think that's a somewhat difficult stance to take. It forces out people who may otherwise be excellent mods but who get treated unfairly - you don't need to be able to "take [harassment] on the chin and move on" - that kinda implies that you can't even ask for help to put an end to it.
 
@Dharman then the only way is to become a mod and sum the total of each queue from user review history pages like these stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/… (only viewable by self and mods)
 
@Catija "harassment" is not the only thing that "it" could mean in there. of course, one shouldn't have to just accept harassment. One souldn't either be able to walk away from valid criticism that could otherwise feel bad to receive.
 
@Dharman However, it does look like there's a bug in there somewhere. Having checked on a couple of users who have recent reviews in that queue, not all of their reviews are showing in their profile, even though those reviews are not about a post that's been deleted.
 
3:41 PM
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier Sure. But that's exactly the problem with overly-broad generalizations. People interpret it to mean the most broad version of itself and that causes harm.
 
@SamuelLiew Ok, that link just lead me to some review I had to close. I assume for mods this shows a list of my reviews.
 
@SamuelLiew There's a bug with links to the review history pages where sometimes they redirect to new reviews
 
yeah I just noticed that bug
something rewrites the url
 
IIRC it has already been reported
 
and I thought it was a userscript
 
Ha.. I just found that too :)
 
yeah, nope, this bug seems to be related with a "fix" for "learn more" dialog not being clickable on history and stats tabs
the reason was that the code for loading the modal lives in the review task script that is (well, was) simply not loaded
it looks like it was "solved" by adding it to the scripts loaded on these pages, however, no adjustments have been made to it
and it certainly looks like there is something in it that loads a new review without checking if the current tab is actually a review tab, hence the URL rewrite
what's more, if one expects the network tab of the devtools, they would see that a new task is actually requested and loaded
 
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@ElectionBot what's the meaning of life? (i you ain't say 42 I will be seriously phased)
 
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier 42 of course
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot What is the meaning of this?!
 
Keep talking and nobody explodes.
 
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Zoe
lmao
 
3:55 PM
ElectionBox, what you do really keep in that box?
 
@Scratte happiness
 
Awesome :) Give us some of that :)
 
@Scratte find your own!
 
Sniffle.. :'(
 
... is Election bot really doing that all by itself? it's impressively detecting ElectionBox as referring to them
 
3:58 PM
@Scratte happiness is a scarce resource these days :)
 
No socks involved.. at least no rainbow ones and it's not a Russian spy ;)
 
'tis the season to start wearing socks again however, getting somewhat chilly 'round here
 
I hear one doesn't even get socks when becoming a moderator :O
 

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