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1:38 AM
Anyone on?
 
 
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3:11 AM
hi
i was gone for quite a while
was researching atom, brackets, sublime, etc.
 
What's up?
 
//choose atom or brackets or sublime
 
@DizzyCode I choose brackets
 
doing great
well i chose atom :D
im also testing out some commands in the os x terminal
everything is going well
 
Nice
 
3:14 AM
using atom is a lot less hassle than expected
 
Yeah, it's very simple
 
i thought i would have to download packages for java
but it's preinstalled
//youtube happy
 
text editors don't have compiler built in right
 
Nope
 
3:20 AM
so everything is compiled and ran in the terminal/command prompt
well that's going to take sometime to get used to
will the terminal show errors at their location?
while compiling i mean
 
I don't know. I use eclipse for Java
and I don't write that much Java
 
ok no problem
ill do a little experiment to find out
perfect :D
shows exactly which line the error occurs
 
Did it work?
 
yup
 
cool
 
3:29 AM
@jaker Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's rules, but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
 
4 hours later…
7:30 AM
@AwalGarg Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's rules, but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
who the hell controls you?
@JacobGray I think it should welcome only after the first message of the user. That's what we have in the JS room as well (and that's what the mods want as well)
 
8:20 AM
Hey guys, I think I will give up on porting a shell script to a BAT
Why it's so illogicaly complex :-(
 
Anyone familiar with Travis-CI's command line tool?
 
8:38 AM
@Kubo2 Because Windows is unnecessarily complicated. Kinda expected since it's developed by Microsoft, the company who does their best to leech money by ensuring developers can't utilize the platform to the fullest.
 
@ProgramFOX You ever used travis command line utility?
 
@ByteCommander Nope, I've only used the website.
 
I need the encryption feature of the CLI tool, but it asks for some kind of trajectory file and I have no clue what this is or how to get one... :P
 
I have no clue either.
 
Manishearth somehow got it to work because he uses secure environment variables to store his account passwords.
I would need that too, but the program does not work...
I filed an issue on Github and hope for somebody to respond soon...
 
8:50 AM
@ByteCommander You can try pinging Manish in Charcoal HQ.
 
 
3 hours later…
11:43 AM
^ The game I beat Uni in less than a minute!
 
@Unihedron :P !!!
 
Sam
Lol.
Like we need more ROs.
 
12:05 PM
My chess performance is quite volatile; aside from speed, which is always fast, my tactical vision ranges occasionally between 800 and 1600.
And my positional is current below 1200.
 
I am theoretically upset a bit...
 
Sam
No one theoretically cares.
 
I do, because it's my theory.
 
Theoretically, we should take this somewhere else.
 
You're going to take out your non-theoretical room-owner broom and brush that whole conversation into the bin?
 
Sam
12:10 PM
@ByteCommander It was first (theoretically) formulated by the Uni.
 
In this room, yes.
 
Sam
Lol.
 
What should I think about that now?
 
RO on perm request.
 
12:13 PM
You know, if I want to sit in a boring empty room to play RO, I don't need you for that.
 
RO on perm request except for Byte, who only gets write access.
 
Thank you! ¬_¬
 
12:46 PM
@michaelpri Could you please quickly test something in Python3 for me?
I need to install the package configparser, but when I try it with pip I get an error.
I am not sure whether the package is responsible for this or whether it's my system, so i need somebody to try if he's able to install it.
Or @ProgramFOX please...
Forget it, the package name's capitalization changed from Py2 to Py3, that's why it could not be found first.
 
@ByteCommander If you are using ChatExchange, you should be using Py2
 
I'm trying to port it to Py3.
 
Oh ok, cool :)
 
1:15 PM
@Kubo2
//youtube get a mac
 
@josefk Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's rules, but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
1:37 PM
@ByteCommander I'm here now.
 
Sorry, no need any more...
 
Ok.
 
I just did not notice that ConfigParser in Py2 now is called configparser in Py3...
 
Ohh... porting ChatExchange to Py3? Nice!
 
So the error when trying to install it would persist, but I don't need to install it any more ;)
 
1:50 PM
@ProgramFOX: What would you play as white in this game? lichess.org/f9mRs8oH
It's a trick question :)
 
looking...
I would play Bh7. Free pieces!
 
Then d3 wins queen.
 
but you can move a pawn to stop that queen before it can attack, not?
 
Oh!
...
I completely overlooked that
 
...
Or, alternatively to Bh7, Bc4 to threaten f7 and g8.
 
1:55 PM
...e6?
 
oh right, lol
 
9. Bxh7 dxe3
10. d3 Qa5+
11. c3 Qe5+
12. Be3 f5
That's what I'm looking at
 
ugh me wants analysis board while looking at the game
 
Then there's also 10. d4 Qa5+ 11. c3 Qb5 12. c4 Qb4+
 
oh I just found a link to the analysis board :P
 
1:59 PM
:p
9. e4?! was played... ?!
This is totally a winning game now, right?
 
perhaps a bit early to tell who's winning, but he did not take the advantage
okay now it looks like you're winning
 
10. d4 Qa5+ 11. c3 Qb5 (11...Qa6 12. c4 Qa5+ 13. b4 Qf5) 12. c4 Qb4+
That's what I was looking at
13. Nd5 e6 14. Nc7+ Kd8 15. Qh5 Qf2+ 16. Kd1 Qxd2#
13. d4 Qc4 14.Qd3 Qxd4
that's my line of thought to declare me winning
13. Qh5+ seems to be the strongest move here :P
 
12. ... Qc5?! Why not Qh4?
 
2 mins ago, by Unihedron
13. Nd5 e6 14. Nc7+ Kd8 15. Qh5 Qf2+ 16. Kd1 Qxd2#
13. d4 Qc4 14.Qd3 Qxd4
@ProgramFOX because I did not calculate that
but yes, that was a mate in three sequence
12...Qh4+ 13. g3 Qh3 14. Ke2 Qg2+ 15. [anything] Qxd2#
Well, I'm a knight up, so I have faith in myself even after 13. Qh5+
13. Nd5 was played \o/ winning
 
3:00 PM
I could not really figure out how submodules for git work...
If I run git submodule update inside the parent directory, nothing happens.
I have to cd into the subdirectory and run a normal git pull there...
Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
 
@ByteCommander That's exactly how submodules work.
To pull the latest version of your submodules and commit that change, do:
 
ANd what should git submodule update do then?
 
git submodule foreach git pull origin master
git add -A
git commit -m "Update submodules" # or another message here
@ByteCommander It checks out the version of the submodule as stored in the repo.
So, in case repository A is a submodule which has commits foo and bar, and your repository specifies to use foo of A, then git submodule update checks out to foo.
 
Okay, too much information - I'll just use git pull and forget about submodules...
 
You don't really need all the background info, just remember the code block I shared in case you want to bring your submodules to the latest version.
 
3:40 PM
@ByteCommander How's porting ChatExchange to Python3 going so far? I can help if you need it
 
@michaelpri I'm currently installing all the dependencies for Python3 and searching for the respective alternatives.
In Py2 and Py3, often the upper-/lowercase changes...
 
3:59 PM
@michaelpri If you want to help, look for this WebSocketConnectionClosedException
I can't find it in Python3
Probably it's called differently or located somewhere else than directly in the websocket package.
 
It says websocket-client is tested on Py2 and Py3: pypi.python.org/pypi/websocket-client
 
Yes, but I can't use that exception.
I don't find it!
 
Hmm, it doesn't work?
 
nope.
 
@ByteCommander Try websocket._exceptions.WebSocketConnectionClosedException.
Didn't try it, but I saw it somewhere on SO.
 
4:08 PM
I saw it too, but _exceptions does not exist either!
Python 3.4.3 (default, Mar 26 2015, 22:07:01)
[GCC 4.9.2] on linux
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import websocket._exceptions.WebSocketConnectionClosedException
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named 'websocket._exceptions'
>>>
 
aww
 
Oh, I found it!
 
What is it?
 
Seems like I had an old update of websocket for Py3.
>.<
 
4:10 PM
After the pip --upgrade, it is there finally.
That is if you think you can trust your IDE to install the correct package...
PyCharm did screw it up!
Help with a try except statement, please!
            try:
                response = method_method(
                    url, data=data, headers=headers, timeout=self.request_timeout)
                break
            except requests.exceptions.ConnectionError as e:          # We want to try again, so continue
                                                                    # BadStatusLine throws this error
                print("Connection Error -> Trying again...")
                                                                    time.sleep(0.1)     # short pause before retrying
The second except statement except requests.exceptions.Timeout, socket.timeout as e: does not work!
 
Python3 has a new syntax for that.
Playing chess, cannot test right now.
 
5:08 PM
One more thing I can't figure out:
from mock_responses import (
only_httmock, favorite_with_test_fkey, TEST_FKEY)
It does not find those imports.
 
Umm... no idea.
 
@hp95 Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's rules, but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
There is a requests_mock that should be the same package, but its contents don't fit.
 
hello
 
Sam
Hiya.
 
5:10 PM
hi. You don't have experience in Python2-->3 porting, do you?
 
no sorry
 
5:28 PM
atomic rating >1800 then now <1750
 
@Unihedron Wanna play chess again for RO?
 
1+0, sure
 
gr8 m8 go checkm8
 
An alternative to beating Uni at 1+0 is to beat me at Atomic... if @Uni approves that of course :P
 
what do you r8
 
5:30 PM
I'll play someone in some other online game
 
seriously though
anyone tell me their rating in chess?
 
Sam
-320.
 
Mines garbage
 
low
But I cannot give an exact number, it's still unstable.
 
ok then
 
5:32 PM
Bullet against Uni challenge! If you beat Unihedron in 1+0 (One minute, no increments) before 31 July 2015 21:00 UTC+8, you'll gain Room Owner status. Link to challenge user (use when online)
 
I'm willing to play... but I'm already owner :P
 
@Uni Let's go
 
There is no time for games...
 
resists the urge to summon Andrew
 
xD
 
Sam
5:34 PM
@Unihedron *you'll gain Room Owner status for 60 secsonds
 
But according to this book chess is too complex to be a game
 
^^ lol
 
^^^
 
gg @michaelpri :)
 
Hey, I didn't run out of time (not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing)
 
5:37 PM
ugh I lost a mate in three
@DizzyCode Want to give it a try?
I can play both of you in bullet at once!
 
I'm sure that's true
 
The real challenge against you is that if I premove, I'm guarranteed to fail horribly because you're throwing something at me
 
Dang, same checkmate as last time
 
it's the urge to premove
the biggest enemy is myself
 
I'll play you in some other game
 
5:42 PM
gg
 
that last game was so very terrible
 
That queen capture at the begin was a big premove blunder O_o
 
so I decided to knock you down on time instead
lol, I figured
 
woah
gg
 
gg
Usually I don't ship offensive pawns but since you're castling so quick, :P
 
5:44 PM
heh
 
I'll play someone in Minesweeper for RO
 
Unfortunately, no such active challenge is there.
Whoa, I have the highest score in Ramble Scramble.
On my old account -_-
 
@Unihedron You know I've already beaten you once today in less than a minute...!?
 
@ByteCommander That makes no difference because it's still a 2+0.
Falling for scholar's mate on 2+0 doesn't make it 1+0. :P
 
Anyway I'm still only the only member of the theoretical room owner list...
But okay, I guess if I try hard (and often!) enough, I think I can reproduce this in one of e.g. 100 1+0 games too...
 
5:52 PM
ok :)
 
I hope that counts!
 
How about we make @Skynet an RO? :)
 
no attempt limits :P
Lightning against Uni challenge! If you beat Unihedron in 0+1 (Three seconds, +1 per move increment) in any variant (except antichess) before 31 July 2015 21:00 UTC+8, you'll gain Room Owner status, as well as a unique badge on my chat client, if / when I finish it.
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@michaelpri It doesn't need it.
 
lol, I know. That would just basically making me an RO
 
Also, from position is only considered eligible if my starting side has ±20 centipawn.
So it doesn't count if you give yourself eight queens.
 
5:54 PM
@Unihedron Okay, I'll try that. For the unique badge :P
 
:D
 
darn it, I wanted to move that but my mouse slipped so I couldn't
 
:[
:O
 
YESSS!
 
I just got scholar'd
goodness me!
I'll honor my promise :|
 
5:56 PM
I don't know why, but I feel like beating an Unihedron tonight in Bullet!
 
I'm an owner already, but now I get the badge anyway :D
 
@ProgramFOX Feel free to give the extra owner to me ;)
 
heh, nice try :P
 
Oh darn, I thought that would work :P
 
28 mins ago, by ProgramFOX
An alternative to beating Uni at 1+0 is to beat me at Atomic... if @Uni approves that of course :P
Well... maybe that, if @Uni approves :P
 
5:58 PM
Is there anything besides chess I can do to be RO?
 
@michaelpri sign off your soul to us
 
I don't even know the rules of Atomic
@Unihedron Sounds good :D
 
@ProgramFOX Doesn't hurt to let you have the fun I'm having from setting up challenges :D
Plus, it's unlikely you get beaten in atomic anyway xD
 
Plot twist: @michaelpri is GrandLapin secretly.
 
:O
GASP!
8 mins ago, by Unihedron
Lightning against Uni challenge! If you beat Unihedron in 0+1 (Three seconds, +1 per move increment) in any variant (except antichess) before 31 July 2015 21:00 UTC+8, you'll gain Room Owner status, as well as a unique badge on my chat client, if / when I finish it.
I'm considering reposting that in our primary chess room.
 
6:02 PM
numberOfFliesLivingOnEarth--;
 
But I can already see Andrew silently grin and permit me to a game, then calmly wreck me.
 
o.O Is this what you dream of at night...?
 
It's... a different degree of nightmare
so no.
 
//image cackling
 
6:06 PM
//image funny cat gif
 
also, clarification: bullet challenge is for standard chess only, lightning accepts non-antichess variants
 
I need ideas for what to call my freelancing business
 
Atomic lightning! Do I get an extra badge for that? :P
... if I win
 
If that's what you want, sure :P
 
6:09 PM
:D
 
Hmm.
Maybe a badge for each variant.
Then I'll ditch the time limit.
 
eh, I'm slow
and premoving in Atomic is dangerous
 
@PetterS Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's rules, but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
@Unihedron What are you going to do with my rematch request? :P
 
@ProgramFOX i'm playing byte too
I was multitasking through those two games pretty heavily
x=x
 
6:14 PM
oic
 
No matter how good I play, I play too slow :-(
This is impossible!
You must be cheating!
 
yay!
 
A stockfish JS script or something like that...
 
I won at 0+1 Atomic \o/
 
Shall I play in front of you so you can see I'm not cheating?
 
Sam
6:15 PM
*Unifish
 
wow, congrats! I premoved that, which is a failure :|
 
How would you want to do that?
 
come to my room on rabbit
 
So... you're ditching the time limit for those badges, hm?
 
6:16 PM
I'm muting the video chat
 
rabbit? o.O
 
@ProgramFOX Time limit only applies to RO status, but you can get the badges from beating me any time.
 
Ok!
 
I unlocked my room now.
 
3rd badge! \o/
 
6:19 PM
But it wasn't 0+1. xD
 
You... thought it was? xD
 
It was actually regular blitz. xD
I'll give you a blitz badge for threecheck instead. :P
 
Your rabbit thing seems broken...
 
It may be.
 
6:22 PM
I end up sitting in an empty room...
 
Try reloading. They're still in beta.
 
Reload #3
 
Gabriel appeared earlier for a brief second.
Well, now that everyone left I'm locking the room again.
 
6:38 PM
"O.O I never had so much time left at the end of an 1+0 game..." - Byte Commander
 
7:27 PM
grr - I'm getting more stupid mail this month than as usual
 
Sam
lol
 
8:18 PM
Hey
 
@TristanWiley Did you hear about PennApps?
 
All the Handlebars engines for Express I had found were awful, too complex, or had unlogical docs.
@Unihedron It's just one file(index.js), mind checking the source and tell me something about efficiency or performance?
I doubt you won't find anything within the first 30 seconds :P
 
@GabrielTomitsuka You do freelance work, right?
 
@michaelpri Not only. I have my startup, and have no freelance jobs right now. Right now I'm helping a startup to release their app in exchange with participation
Really straightforward
I stopped accepting freelance jobs for the next months or so for dedicating to my startup
 
@michaelpri Not yet
 
8:24 PM
Ok, I had some questions about doing freelance jobs and I was hoping you could answer them
@TristanWiley Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
 
Sure, feel free to ask
 
Ok, I was first wondering how you marketed yourself and got jobs
 
Actually, my first client was my neighbour. The second one hired me after answering his SE question and giving him an elegant solution to his problem(his code was a chaos).
My open-source projects helped
I have lots of them
 
@michael they just haven't told people yet
 
Hmm, my first job will probably be for my dad
Ok, I have like two more questions
What did you do for hosting the websites?
 
8:29 PM
montreus.com has actually a hosting service for my clients :P
But most of them prefer hosting it themselves
I keep their SSH keys(under contract) if they need anything
I worked on many projects with @speedDeveloper working on the front-end and me on the back-end.
It helps finishing big projects fast
 
Is Montreus your company? I see you have a Montreus chat repo and they mention Oratio on their website
 
It's mine
2 employees: me and @speedDeveloper
 
Will do when I'm on PC. The display on mobile of github code is impossible to read.
 
Good, thanks
 
Oh ok, makes sense :) Did you build the hosting service?
 
8:34 PM
I use:
Amazon EC2/S3 + Amazon CloudFront for CDN building
Amazon EC2 for server hosting(both PHP and Node)
GitHub Pages for static websites
I also install WordPress and Ghost for people who want blogs
 
Oh ok, nice
One last question, do you charge hourly or fixed rates?
 
Fixed rates, but I keep one thing on the contract if extra hours end up being necessary when the client asks for extra features/stuff after the initial deal(what they always do, and I always end up suggesting a feature or two :P).
If there's delay and it's my fault, they usually don't pay it(except when I underestimate the project size, what happened once, and we made a deal for an extra payment of $250)
 
Wait, so fixed rates initially, then hourly rates if there are extra hours?
 
Ok, thanks for answering my questions. I gotta head out now, but I'll let you know if I have anymore questions. I also have to question @JacobGray
 
8:45 PM
But that doesn't mean I recommend you doing it :P I never tried doing 100% hourly rate, but pretend doing it soon.
 
 
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10:00 PM
i was just trying to answer a question on SO
i kept posting and then editing because i found mistakes
poor asker must be confused...
 
10:56 PM
deer :D
 
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