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12:20 AM
//alive
@JacobGray I'll try to implement that now
 
12:36 AM
//pull
 
I'm alive :) (running on commit: 58b792d)
 
@JacobGray A full message with all of the commands was too long, so instead I made a separate //privhelp
//privhelp
 
Priveleged User Commands
- //pull
- //pause
- //start
- //die
 
//pull
 
@TristanWiley You are not authorized to pull. Please contatct michaelpri if I need some pulling
 
12:45 AM
//damnit
 
1:08 AM
@michaelpri maybe make it post two separate messages?
//source
 
@JacobGray My source code can be found on GitHub
 
@JacobGray Maybe in a little
 
@michaelpri want me to do it?
 
Sure, just try not to break anything
@JacobGray Would you mind if I asked you some questions about freelancing?
 
2:01 AM
//pull
 
@Firedrake969 You are not authorized to pull. Please contatct michaelpri if I need some pulling
 
2:15 AM
@michaelpri sure
//help
 
My Commands
- //image (image search term)
- //choose (choice) or (choice) [or choice...]
- //weather (city)[, country/state]
- //youtube (youtube search term)
- //source
 
Cool, I asked these to @GabrielTomitsuka earlier too, but I was hoping for some more opinion
So first, how do you market yourself and get jobs?
 
hi
Are you talking about professionally or to other kids/working alone?
 
@michaelpri at the moment, I am just telling people as I see them, such as business owners
//pull
 
Ok, so you don't use any websites or anything?
 
2:18 AM
I'm alive :) (running on commit: f2b4542)
 
//help
 
My Commands
- //image (image search term)
- //choose (choice) or (choice) [or choice...]
- //weather (city)[, country/state]
- //youtube (youtube search term)
- //source
You are a Priveleged User, so you can use these commands:
- //pull
- //pause
- //start
- //die
 
@michaelpri did you read my reply?
 
@michaelpri I have a website, it is just pretty sucky
 
@JacobGray But I mean sites like elance.com or freelancer
 
2:19 AM
this summer I am completely redoing how I market, I am going to post ads on craigslist, etc
@michaelpri not yet :P
I am pretty new as well
 
"programmers" and "mobile developers"
what is the difference?
 
@Firedrake969 mobile developers is a branch of programming
 
I know
 
@Firedrake969 Oh sorry, missed that. I am talking about marketing yourself to people who want websites built
 
You'd think they'd at least say "web developers"
@michaelpri What type of websites? Business with a significant backend element, or just a marketing page that's mostly static?
 
2:21 AM
Both
 
Local newspapers
Assuming it's for local business, of course.
 
//pull
 
It doesn't have to be for local businesses
 
I'm alive :) (running on commit: 9268c1e)
 
//help
 
2:23 AM
My Commands
- //image (image search term)
- //choose (choice) or (choice) [or choice...]
- //weather (city)[, country/state]
- //youtube (youtube search term)
- //source
 
hmm...
 
IMO, it'd be better if you focused on local businesses, as anyone outside your area will be going to the internet where there are adults. You may be as good or better, but people are inherently biased.
 
//alive
 
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@JacobGray Indeed :D
 
//help
 
2:24 AM
My Commands
- //image (image search term)
- //choose (choice) or (choice) [or choice...]
- //weather (city)[, country/state]
- //youtube (youtube search term)
- //source
 
You used triple quotes
 
//source
 
@DizzyCode My source code can be found on GitHub
 
lol, is there a problem with that? my python skills are still limited :P
 
What languages do you use, @JacobGray
 
2:26 AM
@JacobGray Yeah, when you concatenate them with single quotes
 
@Firedrake969 really a bunch, I mainly do UI design with CSS for now, but I am fairly good with JS
@michaelpri so, what is the correct way to do it?
 
css and html don't count
:P
What languages specifically?
 
No need for prettifying it
 
java(and FX), and a little bit of c(++) (a little bit), bit of python, lots of PHP, though I am mainly switching to node now
 
ew php
Used to like it, but then I discovered Django
 
2:29 AM
meow
 
Jul 11 at 20:56, by Jacob Gray
hey, without php, the world would be destroyed
 
Still don't like Python's syntax as much as JS, but Django's amazing as a framework. I'm still trying to figure out how to use node, though, since I don't have any *NIX system
that I can use docker-compose with
 
Anyone with any Android development experience?
 
Have to go now, bye all
 
cya!
 
2:30 AM
Baiii
 
@Firedrake969 Rails is better
 
Hello
 
@JacobGray I have a few more questions, would you mind me asking?
 
@michaelpri sure
 
@TristanWiley I'm learning Rails, then I'm gonna do a bit more Java, then I'll have Android experience
@JacobGray Ok, so I was also wondering about hosting. Do you host for your clients?
 
2:32 AM
@michaelpri no, I was thinking about it, but I eventually quit it
 
So, do the people you build sites for just give you access to their hosting service?
 
I do, however, provide a service called phoenix, which is a editor, blog engine, file manager, etc.
@michaelpri yes, or I set an account up for them
 
//pull
 
I'm alive :) (running on commit: 0524379)
 
//help
 
2:33 AM
My Commands
- //image (image search term)
- //choose (choice) or (choice) [or choice...]
- //weather (city)[, country/state]
- //youtube (youtube search term)
- //source
You are a priveleged user, so you can also use these commands:
- //pull
- //pause
- //start
- //die
- //priv
- //reset
 
@JacobGray Does Phoenix give the user the ability to edit the files actual source?
 
yes
 
Like is it basically just a regular text editor?
 
@michaelpri Why didn't you give me privileged commands?
 
idk
 
2:35 AM
@michaelpri they can edit the source, or they can use the program, which is still being worked out. it had been drag and drop, but I am tired of that now :P
 
I'm your bro xD
 
@JacobGray Ok, cool. Here's another one, Do you charge hourly or fixed rates?
 
@michaelpri I have flipped between them, now I am at hourly, but I am rebuilding my whole business plan, so that may change
 
Hmm, one more not really related to freelancing. What hosting do you use for your website?
 
at the moment, the cheapest possible: 2mhost.com
$12/year
 
2:39 AM
Pet Peeve #∞ - People who say "Making a website or app is easy, you just need to drag and drop"
 
@JacobGray Is that actually a good service?
 
@michaelpri it is decent, good uptime, and a gb of storage
no terminal access though :/
 
Maybe, I'll get that but get the personal plan
 
yeah, I was going to go with that, but I am going with AWS because they don't support node.js :/
 
Ooh, I actually might try the free tier of EC2 to see what it's like, then upgrade
 
2:45 AM
@JacobGray what do you use java for?
 
@DizzyCode lots of stuff, but I gtg now
//help
 
My Commands
- //image (image search term)
- //choose (choice) or (choice) [or choice...]
- //weather (city)[, country/state]
- //youtube (youtube search term)
- //source
You are a priveleged user, so you can also use these commands:
- //pull
- //pause
- //start
- //die
- //priv
- //reset
 
//pause
 
@JacobGray I am now paused :|
 
//start
 
2:47 AM
@JacobGray I am now resuming :)
 
goody
 
@michaelpri lolno Rails isn't
jk, never used rails
Probably just whatever your comfortable in and most productive in - hence my use of Sublime over Vim
 
grumble
 
mumble grumble
 
@user2596732 Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's rules, but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
2:56 AM
humble mumble grumble
 
roar
 
meeeoooowwwwww
 
So what exactly is this chat room about?
 
A chatroom for everybody! No age restriction. General programming and life discussion.
 
2:59 AM
Chatting about anything, basically
 
Mainly kittens
 
Trying to beat Uni in chess so you can be a room owner
 
I can do it easy Pssh
 
and chess matters here because
 
3:01 AM
Chess rulez
 
because
 
it rulez
 
internet argument
the epitome of
 
placekitten.com
 
3:03 AM
//image cat playing chess
 
//image facepalm
 
How do you add images?
 
Link to the image
 
3:04 AM
The bot
 
//image (image search term)
what goes in the search term?
 
//help
 
My Commands
- //image (image search term)
- //choose (choice) or (choice) [or choice...]
- //weather (city)[, country/state]
- //youtube (youtube search term)
- //source
You are a priveleged user, so you can also use these commands:
- //pull
- //pause
- //start
- //die
- //priv
- //reset
 
3:08 AM
If you have the link, don't do //image
 
so what do i use ?
 
Just post the link
 
lol
 
3:09 AM
 
um
that's enough now
 
aw
slinks away
I have to go anyways :P
 
3:14 AM
Adios
 
JK! BAI! THE KITTEN WUVS YOU
 
//image facepalm
 
Anyone in here do web design?
 
3:23 AM
I Kinda do
 
 
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4:46 AM
Anyone on?
 
Hello from Mexico o/
 
Hey o/ :)
 
14 hours of flying later I have finally arrived
what's up?
 
Nothing really. How about you? What's up in Mexico?
 
I'm attending a conference here in Mexico City :)
puuh I'm really tired
 
4:52 AM
cool :)
 
wasn't able to sleep on the plane at all :/
 
Ahh, that stinks
 
I'm off then
laters :)
 
cya
 
@Crazy Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's rules, but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
 
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8:01 AM
Oh, we had a kitten invasion....
 
8:30 AM
Userstyles
are
hard
 
Python imports too...
 
body.dark::after {
  background: black url(i.imgur.com/8U69HAf.jpg) top center no-repeat;
  content: '';
  background-attachment: fixed;
  height: 916px !important;
  width: 1782px !important;
  z-index: -2;
  position: absolute;
  top: 0;
}
 
My attempt to port ChatExchange to Py3 fails from the fact that my IDE and Travis-CI don't decide on a common way which import syntax is correct...
 
that's the lichess custom background thingy I'm working on
If I remove ANY of those attributes, the entire thing fails
But right now it cuts off when you scroll
 
I guess I can help you as few with your JS (?) thing as you could help me with Python...
 
8:33 AM
It's css3.
 
Well, that's almost JS... ;)
I am still pretty illiterate in web design languages.
 
Which browser you got?
 
Ubuntu Firefox 39.0
 
get the extension, then install my "script" from above
 
It looks interesting, indeed. What anime is this taken from?
 
8:43 AM
angel beats
but that's not really the point
 
Never heard of it...
 
I think it's because I'm using ::after.
Angel Beats! (エンジェルビーツ!, Enjeru Bītsu!) is a 13-episode Japanese anime television series produced by P.A.Works and Aniplex and directed by Seiji Kishi. The story was originally conceived by Jun Maeda, who also wrote the screenplay and composed the music with the group Anant-Garde Eyes, with original character design by Na-Ga; both Maeda and Na-Ga are from the visual novel brand Key, who produced such titles as Kanon, Air, and Clannad. The anime aired in Japan between April 2 and June 25, 2010. An original video animation (OVA) episode was released in December 2010, and a second OVA was released...
 
And no, it does not scroll.
Yes, yes, I know how to use DuckDuckGo if I wanted to...
 
@ByteCommander Nope. But as far as I can tell it doesn't tile.
 
I can't watch it anyway, so I'm not going to read this.
When I scroll, it gets covered with black.
 
8:45 AM
Same here.
 
It just breaks if I tweak any attribute.
Wait, I found a workaround.
height: 9999px !important;
The scrolling bar now reveals a very huge distance for scrolling, but hey, it works now.
 
Erm... how can I restrict that style to lichess?
It's stored as global style and I don't want those nice girls to appear on other sites too...
 
Where is this?
 
8:47 AM
@amit.codename13 Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's rules, but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
@ByteCommander If your other sites uses a "dark" class on body, I'd be pretty surprised
 
It's not in the edit view...
 
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I'm not sure since you're on the firefox version. But it should be in there.
 
Anyway, things that don't need to be global should not be global.
 
8:48 AM
Wait, I'm installing firefox.
 
If it wants moz-format:
@-moz-document domain("lichess.org") {
body.dark::after {
  background: black url(i.imgur.com/8U69HAf.jpg) top center no-repeat;
  content: '';
  background-attachment: fixed;
  height: 9999px !important;
  width: 1782px !important;
  z-index: -2;
  position: absolute;
  top: 0;
}
}
 
hello all
 
Hi.
 
That looks good now. It's not global any more.
Hi @JacobyYarrow
 
8:51 AM
I'm writing userstyles for most of the styles I'm on.
Done for every site I wanted except for lichess.
 
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10:10 AM
Yay, I tamed my Python!
@michaelpri @ProgramFOX The ChatExchange3 should be working, I think. Travis tests pass and PyCharm sees no syntax errors etc. any more... If you want to help me trying it out: github.com/ByteCommander/ChatExchange3
Remember that you have to install all the dependencies again using pip3 this time.
Long ago since I last listened to this:
It's so wonderfully sad and melodic...
 
@A.O. Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's rules, but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
Okay, the framework for ByteBOT seems to be set. now I can start coding the Bot itself...
 
10:39 AM
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Nice rules :D
 
 
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11:59 AM
@Unihedron You as anime lover - do you know the "Evangelion" trilogy?
Oh, English title is "Neon Genesis Evangelion"...
Neon Genesis Evangelion (Japanese: 新世紀エヴァンゲリオン, Hepburn: Shin Seiki Evangerion, literally "Gospel of a New Century"), commonly referred to as Evangelion or Eva, is a Japanese animated television series produced by Tatsunoko Productions and Gainax and directed by Hideaki Anno. It was broadcast on TV Tokyo from October 1995 to March 1996. The original Japanese cast includes Megumi Ogata as Shinji Ikari, Megumi Hayashibara as Rei Ayanami, and Yūko Miyamura as Asuka Langley Soryu. The music was composed by Shirō Sagisu. Evangelion is an apocalyptic anime in the mecha genre. The series is set in...
I saw the part 1.11 You are (not) alone.
You know whether the rest is worth watching?
 
@ByteCommander cool
I personally think it's overrated
 
Part 2 was on TV last night and I missed it...
I would have to search it on the web then...
But it has to be at least English, preferably with subtitles or better German...
Otherwise I would get problems ;)
Maybe I easily find it, then I'll watch it later.
But now I first have an appointment with the dentist... :-(
 
12:22 PM
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1:31 PM
//help
 
My Commands
- //image (image search term)
- //choose (choice) or (choice) [or choice...]
- //weather (city)[, country/state]
- //youtube (youtube search term)
- //source
You are a priveleged user, so you can also use these commands:
- //pull
- //pause
- //start
- //die
- //priv
- //reset
 
@Firedrake969 Wrong. Adults are normally more expensive. I make about the same as the cheapest Indian developers and I am way better than 90% of these freelance Indian programmers(I doubt they know what the JS event loop is). Of course, most of them have PHP as their only scripting language and probably don't even know what PHP7 is. Even though I need my parents consensus for this, I write waaay better code, way faster, and far more efficient.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Your biggest blocker is that you're comparing yourself to incompetent programmers.
You're fighting with the wrong people. The programmers earning cold, hard cash they don't deserve. You deserve more.
 
//pull
 
I'm alive :) (running on commit: 1b3d9ba)
 
1:42 PM
//info
 
Host ID:stackoverflow.com
Room ID:22091
Welcome Message:Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's [rules](http://mawersoft.co.uk/clients/tpcsite/), but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
goody
 
@TheDIMMReaper Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's rules, but most importantly, remember to have fun :D
 
//pull
 
I'm alive :) (running on commit: f57b6a4)
 
1:45 PM
//info
 
Host ID:stackoverflow.com
Room ID:22091
Welcome Message:
"Welcome to the Teenage Programmers Chatroom :) Please remember to follow this chatroom's [rules](http://mawersoft.co.uk/clients/tpcsite/), but most importantly, remember to have fun :D"
 
@Unihedron People often avoid working with teenagers. Also, if my portfolio as a freelancer had 20 websites with 5 star ratings, things would be different. I have only worked on a few projects as a freelancer(all of them being big and taking about a month)
 
What kind of portfolio has stars?
 
Not stars, like "OMG he's such an awesome and fast dev, hire him u wont regret"
 
You mean references?
 
1:50 PM
Yeah LOL
 
2:05 PM
hmmm
Oops
:P
hmmm
@michaelpri what errors does it give?
blah
@Sam ??
did @michaelpri restart it?
 
Sam
@JacobGray I'm debugging something.
 
oh
hey @Ahmad !
@Sam opinion?
 
Sam
Very nice.
It would've been interesting to see a hc b/w version.
 
2:20 PM
@Sam I'll make one sometime
 
Sam
@JacobGray You know, I actually took a shot of a fawn not so long ago:
 
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o/
 
Sam
\o
 
@Sam nice
 
2:24 PM
Jun 11 at 7:59, by Unihedron

Sandbox

Where you can play with regular chat features (except flagging...
 
@GabrielTomitsuka I'm sure you do...
But you basically repeated what I just said - no matter how much better you may think you are (or actually are) adults will trust other adults more than mere kids - hence higher pay and more job opportunities for adults. Not something that can be changed, though
 
@Firedrake969 That's wrong.
 
Tell me how.
 
Sam
@Firedrake969 That's true in the UK (the salary/jobs part, anyway).
 
I'm saying you're wrong. That's not an opinion.
 
2:25 PM
Which part is wrong, and how so?
 
Adults do not simply trust adults.
 
They would most likely trust adults more than kids.
badly worded, but can't think of another way to write it
 
I'm sorry to throw the orange card here.
 
@Sam Same in the US
 
Sam
//push
 
2:27 PM
//shove
 
@JacobGray Stop spamming the room with pointless automation.
 
@Unihedron I am going to remove them :P
 
Developers shouldn't compare themselves with outsourced (generally Indian) developers, though
 
@michaelpri what other rooms is skynet in
?
 
Skynet's Lair
 
2:28 PM
oops, I guess I killed it....
 
//alive
 
@Firedrake969 Indeed :D
 
it is risen
 
@Firedrake969 oh yeah, lol
 
Aw, never was told how I was wrong.
I have to go now, though, so bye all
 
2:34 PM
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11 messages moved to bin
 
@Firedrake969 That's wrong, if my portfolio was 5x bigger the story would be different
After all, references is what counts the most.
 
Ugh, this is so stupid.
My Node doesn't appreciate me using the "let" keyword.
 
@Unihedron require('babel/register')?
 
What's that?
 
2:46 PM
Allows you to use ES6 in ES4 environments
Or babel index.js
 
that looks dangerous
I'll just use var
 
@Unihedron Then use babeljs.io/docs/usage/cli
require hook works fine for me
 
I don't really need ES6 that much I'll just use my lowly set of es4
k
 
@Firedrake969 Higher pay for adults is true, but I get just enough job opportunities for staying busy :P
 
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