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07:00
@IanCampbell must be English, @rene French, @CodyGray not German? :O
Not German.
rene is also not French
Might I inquire what qualities about me made you assume I'm English?
that response basically
Best of luck to those are nominated
@SaadSohail on behalf of the candidates: Thanks for your vote.
07:02
"My dear old chap, whatever would have made you to assume that I am English?"
@IanCampbell Ian Bell is a rather famous cricketer from England
@rene because of René Descartes
@CodyGray because of his sense humour
I'm more René from the Café ...
@rene you are welcome
Is that the cute barista?
@CodyGray if that is by your standards of cute, then yes.
07:03
I mean, all three of us have our general geographic location in our profiles.
Oh, let me look.
Can anyone guess where I must be from? 😄
You're only off by a few thousand kilometers.
@IanCampbell But what about our geological location? That is curiously omitted from mine.
@CodyGray I'm glad someone appreciates my jokes.
Are we in the Holocene or the Meghalayan?
@IanCampbell Absolutely.
07:04
I'm under the rock then...
@AndrewT. I am inclined to believe you are in USA
I'll take '80s British sitcoms for $400
@rene But you will send the link only once?
I had more material lined up too, "Oh think of the different minerals formed during accretion of a galaxy!" And then it just flopped.
07:06
@DarshanChaudhary 12-hour difference, yes :)
@DavidW :D
o/ So, any way to get a 4th vote? :D
Else I would have to... decide ...
I'm afraid you must "decide".
@IanCampbell Almost as if it just collapsed in upon itself
*starts looking for race condition*
It's literally an electoral race, so of course there's a race condition :-)
07:09
:D
Maybe it should be converted to a marathon. Whoever makes it 26.2 miles first gets the diamond?
what's special about 26.2 here?
26.2m people impacted?
The twist: you have to clear 1000 flags every mile.
And since no one guessed where I am from, I feel inclined to bid adieu, au reviour!
07:11
Flags are too soft, how about Close Vote Review...
@AndrewT. H&I, at least ;)
That would be the hardest marathon ever
BTW, does any of the candidates have the H&I Steward badge?
What do we look like, SEDE?
:P Maybe someone knows some magic link where this is easier accessible...too early for SQL for me
Nvm, I checked manually. Result: No one has
I am a moderator and my H&I score is currently 2.
I've reviewed exactly 0 posts in H&I.
07:21
The first 2 were a honest mistake
Having a badge here could play against you in the election.
I tried, when getting full editing privileges...and skipped, and skipped, and skipped...
@Jean-FrançoisFabre :D I would rather classify this as "infinite patience"
Hint: there is a "question is very low quality" link
?!
Oh
:(
@CodyGray I just did that.
Yeah. I don't know why they've hidden it.
@yashthakkar1173 Great! Thanks for voting!
@janw There is also: github.com/samliew/SO-mod-userscripts/blob/master/…, which adds some much-needed buttons to H&I, like "Close"
Frankly, though, I just open everything I see in /review in a new tab.
07:26
@CodyGray We should click on that link
@CodyGray I am using the script too, but it does not show additional buttons. Maybe because im <3k yet
@CodyGray Yeah, this is what I'm doing anyways, to get full context (and fix other issues in the entire thread)
@janw Oh yeah, probably.
Then you definitely won't be interested in the other scripts that add mod-only features :-)
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Voted in my very first mod election. *achievement unlocked* :)
Good luck all the candidates!
Did you vote for the right ones?!
07:44
@CodyGray Sure, what did you think? ;)
But it was indeed a hard decision. Picking three was already not easy, but then I had to order them, too...
I'm surprised to hear people saying that picking three wasn't easy. I found it quite easy. The only hard part was ranking those 3.
I just see that my last sentence has an unfortunate choice of words...it sounded much better when thinking of it in german :D
"ranking" was the word I was looking for
Either order or rank is fine. Nothing wrong with your sentence in English.
Oh, alright :)
The tricky one is "execute", which means both "kill" and "do/run". :-)
07:54
:D Yeah, I tripped over that one already
But "order" is also used for shopping, right?
Like, ordering stuff from the internet
Yeah, you can place an order when shopping
I just love how StackOverflow votes work.I wish U.S president is selected this way! that would be awesome! only eligible(in terms of reputation) voters voting for perfect. That would be a perfect democracy. just my opinion. :D
@CodyGray Oh, I thought it was a verb. *checks dictionary*
@AniruddhaChakraborty Yeah, STV is a much better system than what the US uses. The US does have certain eligibility criteria for president, including the requirement to be over the age of 35, but as recent events have shown, the requirements probably aren't strict enough.
@janw Yeah, it is that, too.
Verbs in English are fun like that: they have multiple meanings!
You have this in German, too, but probably less common. Consider machen.
Yes, it happens less often
Stuff usually goes wrong when translating to English too literally..."Hi, I become the steak!"
We all love our false friends :D
08:00
@CodyGray Yeah i agree. The requirement for being U.S president is okay but can be improved but voter eligibility actually determines everything! it's just odd that flat earthers and scientists will have the same priority during voting.
"I am a jelly doughnut" is the famous one, although apparently apocryphal.
@AniruddhaChakraborty I know, that bothers me, too. But then I remind myself: voting qualification tests have been tried before, and they were even more unfair. Imagine flat-earthers were the majority, and you and I were the minority. If the system was designed to advantage the majority, we'd be screwed. It would be impossible to elect a reasonable candidate.
@CodyGray :D
@janw What is the "false friend" for steak that you were thinking of? Doesn't Steak in German == steak in English (i.e., a cut of meat from a cow)?
@CodyGray I meant "become" :)
Voted.. Best of luck for all the candidates :)
08:04
@CodyGray Yeah! Damn, that would be catastrophic! lol
"become" = "bekommen" in German, "getting something"
Ah. I was thinking "Ich werde das Steak".
If I remember correctly, "werden" is both to become and to have
Good morning everyone
@CodyGray No, it is only "to become"
"have" would be, e.g. "Ich nehme das Steak"
@CodyGray Bullocks.
08:08
@Tschallacka Good morning! We seem to be in similar timezones - or you get up very early ;)
@AdrianMole ... You mean you Brits even misspell "bollocks" and "bullocks"?
Heh. But "cow" is the female of the species - seldom used as a meat source.
It's 10 am here now @janw Netherlands here
@ElectionBot when the does the election end?
The election ends at 2020-07-21 20:00:00Z (in 7 days).
@AdrianMole Nah. In the US, we eat everything that moos.
08:10
@Tschallacka Oh, same here, northern Germany :)
But yeah, steers are more common
I live just over the border in Germany, but work in the netherlands, How's the weather up there? We get a lot of rain over here.
Actually, I just wanted to say bullocks to a moderator.
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@Tschallacka Cloudy, but no rain, yet :) But the last week was very bad. Guess when I took my vacation ;)
08:12
Was it everything you'd hoped for and more?
Oh yes. I feel warm and satisfied.
I'm taking my vacation next week.. I hope the weather will at the minimal be dry-ish
Hi dockerNaugty has come to the party
whats up
The ceiling @DockerNaughty
The troposphere!
08:13
lol
i like it
Oh look at @CodyGray with his fancy outdoor office
What is this "outdoor" that you speak of?
@CodyGray BTW, I infer that you are located in the US? Isn't it like 4am in the morning over there?
@janw Just after 1 AM where I AM.
08:18
Ah, west coast, of course :)
West side is the best side!
how much does the data explorer "lag behind" on the real time data I wonder.
One week
SEDE is updated every Sunday
@CodyGray impressive
ah. okay.
08:20
@rene I'm glad you recognize the serious level of dedication that that required.
@CodyGray :D I haven't been there, yet. I should have had a conference in San Francisco this year, but yeah...
Oh, SF is fun. Just bring a jacket.
@Tschallacka I have a SEDE status query here: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1239509/…
That's a lot of code for "last updated date"...
@CodyGray well, it is more meant to be useful when the update gets stuck in the middle for any database. The the query will tell you where it is stuck.
08:25
Unless it's stuck real good
Thanks @rene
Then I'll have to wait till sunday to get my new results :-)
no 2020 not him!
now I'm sad
You won't need SEDE to tell you whether you won the election
I realize that, but I'm interested how many caucus badges are awarded in the election phase
Rip Grant Imahara.
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08:37
ElectionBot just likes to hear itself talk
@CodyGray I don't think I ever tried to hide it ;) But.. you just gave it away too :D
@CodyGray eligibility would be wrong, but beyond that applying SO election model would give you much better presidents. Also election systems with two rounds are also way, way better than current US system. Literally any system where every vote counts equally is better... "If the system was designed to advantage the majority, we'd be screwed." Hmm... seems like advantaging only some "minorities" does not work well either...
@Tschallacka That's easy: get the current amount of awarded badges, and then use SEDE to get the amount of ones awarded before this election
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ That is not a good reason to remove it. That's a reason to reflect on what they may not have liked.
@ErikA I already have the query ready, I just need the sede database to update, and that is next sunday :-)
08:43
@DalijaPrasnikar Hard to have more than one round when we only have two serious candidates, though
@Tschallacka But the amount of badges awarded previously is still half-accurate, and since the current amount is realtime you don't really need to wait
@DalijaPrasnikar The current US system should be limited at 6 weeks of collecting votes like in the Netherlands. here they can only campaign in the 6 weeks before the election.
Period in not the main problem...
ah, like that @ErikA I assumed you were talking about pure sede
@janw after 20 messages and 15 minutes, check every 2 minutes to see if there was no activity in the past 3 minutes. If yes, post canned message.
08:45
The usu has a 2 year campaign phase. Period is seriously a problem there
Problem is pre-election, where some candidates fall out, even though they might be winners if you would have election with two rounds (or SO system with choosing several candidates)
If you have a shorter campaign phase, you have to be more succing with your message and be more convincing.
and of course, not all votes being counted equally...
The usa needs more candidates really. And maybe a non elected president. Like, if you have 5 parties, the biggest party gets to form coalitions, and the biggest party gets to select the president.
@DalijaPrasnikar The real problem is our political party system. In order to win their party's nomination, candidates have to pull really far to the left or right, in order to appease their radicalized "base". Then, what you end up with in the general election are two people that are anything but moderate and a bitterly divided electorate.
08:51
I think it is chicken or the egg problem... you have such polarization because you have bad election system that favors polarization...
I know that many Americans think their election system is the best, but for many outside observers it is broken beyond repair
Generally we could not care less, but US politics has world wide repercussions...
oh how useless :S in the caucus badge awards overview it goes from, x hours ago to yesterday.... without any time indication. And then to a date with time.
@DalijaPrasnikar I care.. even if I do not live there. Because someone being hurt feels the same no matter where on the planet they are hurt. They do not hurt more just because they live next to me.
but, taking a rough guess, about 22800 people got the caucus badge until now
@Tschallacka do you not even get the proper datetime as most places there's time indicators on the site in the tooltip for it?
I don't see a tooltip there when I hover over the time
ah, but I do see it when I go in the source
wonder why I'm not seeing a tooltip
08:56
@Scratte I cannot disagree with that POV
theoretically I should see it
@DalijaPrasnikar Also, we have so many people with unbelievable confusion of ideas.
@Tschallacka I see it. Don't hover over the "awarded". Hover over the actual time.
@Tschallacka you can script against: api.stackexchange.com/docs/…
@CodyGray ah right. It's early here :-) Still waking up
09:01
Hehe... I noticed that... but I am not sure if we would agree on which ones are really confused ;)
{"error_id":502,"error_message":"too many requests from this IP, more requests available in 68122 seconds","error_name":"throttle_violation"}
Oh well.
@DalijaPrasnikar I have some instinct that we might...
Probably...
@Cody have you got some userscript running that goes off and does a lot of stuff with the API in the background on loading some pages?
@JonClements Presumably, yes.
I've got almost a dozen of Sam's scripts installed.
Mods shouldn't be rate limited
they neeeeeed the data
09:04
@CodyGray that'd do it :p
"Reason for account deletion: I dunno. I was going to actually check, but I'm rate-limited, so I'm just operating on instinct now."
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09:42
hmmm, that review script has no automatic button for submitting the reject reason. Still need to click the button
Hmm, I need a script that will give me a way to bookmark bounty questions so I can cast a close vote after the bounty expires
You can "follow" them...
And every browser I've seen has a "bookmark" feature.
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@Tschallacka They have a need for speed-y data you mean?
True, but a script with scheduled tasks would be more useful to me xD
The SOCVR folks might have something like that.
I'll go ask there :-)
10:09
@janw same here. Skip skip skip... do something useful instead
10:31
in these elections I wanted to vote for @RobertHarvey but since he was blocked from nomination I have to instead ask, could the Moderator Council handle his appeal for reinstatement? And if yes, then what could be a procedure and could I do something to help start it?
user3956566
@gnat yes they could if he were to apply for reinstatement under the new process. Also any mods involved in his suspension should recuse themselves and I'd like to see an investigation into his suspension, as I suspect it was not deserved.
@gnat Any reason why?
user3956566
@Dharman he has been on the site for years and been a great influence on the site and should be mod
Didn't he quit because of the whole drama?
Yes. One of the first SO mods to resign, IIRC.
user3956566
10:40
@CodyGray hey Mr Pedantic, @JonClements aka pup blew the whistle lol
Then became very vocal on Meta.SE => suspension and account deletion (latter by request).
user3956566
@AdrianMole actually I resigned before him. He was the first after Monica was sacked
OK. I was just starting to get active at the time, so I have some befuddledness in my recollections.
Must...not...heat up...
user3956566
@AdrianMole but I do not recall him breaking the CoC. There were plenty doing worse. He was a "problem" for the company, as he disagreed with them. but he was never rude that I saw
user3956566
10:42
@AdrianMole not at all. I have a clearer recollection, as I was a mod and then stepped down.
Never rude but very shrewd in much of what he was posting on Meta.
user3956566
@E_net4alreadyvoted true aye
@Yvette Is there new new reinstatement process? I am loosing track of all that... Because he asked for reinstatement and was turned down because he had one week suspension om Meta at that time...
Yeah, a tough subject that doesn't bring the company in good light.
user3956566
@DalijaPrasnikar yes, and it's marginally better then the previous one.
user3956566
10:43
I'll get a link
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A: What is the process for a moderator to request reinstatement or appeal a removal?

JNatModerator Reinstatement and Appeal Process: This post formalizes a process by which moderators may: Request reinstatement to a position they left voluntarily or through inactivity. Appeal a decision to remove them from a position involuntarily. The central goals of this process are: To provide...

@gnat Not sure I understand the rules. Is the suspension rules set at a year after the last day of suspension or after a year at the beginning? Or is there something very strange going on?
user3956566
for some reason the feedback to it is still being featured, yet it has been rolled out. I have applied for reinstatement and they wanted to wait until they finalised the new process
user3956566
@E_net4alreadyvoted did you change your username after you voted?
yes I have read that new new updated corrected adjusted enhanced clarified reinstatement procedure and couldn't make my mind. Robert appealed for reinstatement when there was no council, now there is a council that is supposed to be involved, so what's the way now? Does he have to apply again (and again and again, every time they twist the procedure again), or maybe council takes his previously rejected appeal and reconsiders or maybe something else
10:48
@Yvette Perhaps I missed the point, but I am under the impression that if you're voted in by community then you'll not count in the election, and just be reinstated, giving an additional two new moderators the privilege. I suspect that if you are not voted in, then.. well..
user3956566
@gnat well exactly! I'm just going to keep reapplying until they reinstate me. Until then I'm more or less on strike.
IMO the whole system is rigged to begin with... especially those Meta suspensions that were far from objective...
user3956566
@Scratte nope, if I'm voted in, I take the spot of a new mod. I did suggest they take 3 if I'm elected. It's annoying. Certainly if I'm elected I will push that they call up a third mod.
@Yvette That doesn't even make any sense. The only reason only two are selected is due to the training period. You don't need to be trained. And we need 20+ more moderators.
@Yvette When do I not change my username after doing something?
10:52
I'm hoping for 2 elected moderators (not Yvette) and Yvette reinstated.
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user3956566
@DalijaPrasnikar aye. How can you have a system that allows one or two or a few people veto someone from being a mod, when they were elected by hundred or thousands of votes (depending on the size of the site). If that was the case, then mods "should" (and I really don't think they should) have the power to veto nominations. It's a level of control I'm not ok with. If I'm fit to be a mod on the network, I should be fit to be a mod on any site
Or 2 elected moderators (with Yvette) and another 3rd mod.
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IIRC, Staff can refuse to actually appoint a winning candidate. Not sure about other mods or the Council, though.
I'm wondering if that won't happen to me (if I win). Some of my views expressed here haven't exactly been politically correct.
user3956566
@Scratte I agree, but it shows how ridiculous their new system is and it was the company that said a couple of times I could run! So I did
10:54
@ouflak What? That you are denied? If you win?
Yes
user3956566
@E_net4alreadyvoted really? I hadn't noticed, I need to pay more attention. hm
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre are they going to take 3 if I'm elected?
Zoe
Zoe
SE's approach to moderators is kinda inefficient, ngl. I personally prefer Wikipedia's approach, where people can ask for mod access. Wikipedia mods don't have PII access, so there's two different types of mods (or possibly admins, I don't remember the terminology). Dunno how well that would work or scale to Stack Overflow, but only electing 2 new mods every year when we need a lot more mods isn't much better
@Yvette If could have been a "diplomatic no".
10:55
Scout promise, I do not abuse it (terribly).
user3956566
@AdrianMole has that ever happened? I can't see how, as if they're ok to run.... hm
@Yvette We like the name changes by Enet4 :) It's bringing joy :)
I certainly think appointing a third if Yvette gets re-elected would be the smart move. Arguments about needing time to get worked-in and used to the tools don't really apply then
@Zoe, Wikipedia has its issues as well. Try creating a well sourced page on a notable topic that none of the 'mods' have subject matter knowledge of. It will be gone before you can blink.
user3956566
@Scratte no, they said an undiplomatic no to both Robert and I. But made it clear we could reapply and that I could run in the election
10:56
I guess the Company would argue that it makes a more thorough check of 'suitability' for winning candidates than for nominees. Saves time.
user3956566
@Scratte we need the joy :) I miss the small things
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Can anyone help me how can I cast my vote?
@ouflak But then they can just remove you before the election phase. Are you unpopular?
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I have visited this link
What to do next?
Anyone?
Zoe
Zoe
@ouflak Sure - Wikipedia is by no means perfect. They also have processes though - deletion is also a process, and usually involves other people and yes/no votes. They at least don't have a shortage of people able to do stuff :')
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10:58
Guys
@Scratte, I don't think I'm 'unpopular', whatever that means. But I clearly do not approve to corporate pandering. Even stated that in my nomination and questionnaire.
@DJ Do you see the buttons on the left?
user3956566
@ErikA 100% agree and we actually have 3 suitable candidates who would all make great mods plus me (I'm not including myself, as not everyone thinks I'm a good candidate) But Travis, Mayken and Machi would all be great. take them all I say
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Can anyone help me how to vote???
Which?
Zoe
Zoe
@ElectionBot help
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10:58
I see 1st choice, 2nd & 3rd
user3956566
@DJ me please.
1st 2nd 3rd choice
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- how does the election work
- who are the candidates
- how to nominate
- how to vote
- how to decide who to vote for
- who are the current mods
- are moderators paid
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting
- when is the election ending
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are moderation badges
- what are participation badges
- what are editing badges
@DJ Please don't repeat your question over and over
Zoe
Zoe
how to vote
10:58
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can cast your ballot in order of preference on up to three candidates in the election. If you want to make an informed decision, you can also read the candidates' answers in the election Q & A.
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how to vote
user3956566
hehehe I'm wondering if I will get lambasted for that
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what is 1st choice?
@DJ there are seven candidates, first pick which one is your 1st choice, then second and then third
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what is 2nd choice?
10:59
I think DJ needs specific where-to-move-your-mouse help
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ok
fine
user3956566
@DJ select me as your first choice, then two others. I will give you a cookie - (a browser cookie)
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I got it. We have three choices for ourselves.
You have a single vote. You vote the person you want to be a mod. If that person is not elected your second choice will get a vote and so on

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