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11:00 AM
Of course since my script with highly in red if any Answer is on a closed post, I tend to notice that.
 
One that went through SOCVR, which I contested, and binned, claiming explicit subject-matter expertise, if I am remembering correctly.
I know it went through SOCVR. What I don't remember is whether or not I contested it, or whether I just handled it without a discussion.
 
@CodyGray Something something maybe I'm secretly a moderator's sock?
 
You can search for it in the room and in the sister rooms.
 
Or I used SEDE, since it was deleted after the last dump.
 
@RyanM Well, I would have assumed so, but why would a moderator's sock bother to run for moderator again? It seems like too much effort.
 
11:01 AM
@RyanM Giving your secrets away :)
 
See, that's why Jeanne isn't running. There's no point.
Oddly, you can submit it for review to reopen even while it's deleted. That seems... incorrect?
 
You can open a deleted post. Without undeleting it first.
 
I don't think it actually goes into reopen review.
But now I'm curious.
 
It says I cannot review it, though.
 
I see "This item is no longer reviewable."
 
11:03 AM
2 mins ago	review	Reopen votes
26 secs ago		invalidated
Odd
 
@RyanM Can you cast a reopen vote on it?
 
I guess the system realized it only after enqueueing it, and then invalidated it?
 
Yeah, I bet it creates it then invalidates when it realizes it's deleted.
 
HAHA
That reopen vote created another reopen review task.
 
lol...
 
11:04 AM
And... it doesn't invalidate until I click on it to view the review task.
Somehow, loading it forces is to check the validity, I guess.
 
For the curious.
 
It's still a bug that it enqueues it.
 
Indeed
 
So.. one more vote and it's open in a deleted state :D
 
I'm kind of imagining that if someone was reviewing, it could actually load this, and then show them that the item is ineligible for review.
One more vote? No, Ryan's only one. His sock didn't vote.
 
11:06 AM
Funny thing is that deleted posts are not invalidated in suggested edits.
 
That's... also a bug.
 
@CodyGray Ohh.. how did it enter the first time? You edited it?
 
@Scratte No, I edited it. It's in the screenshot :-)
 
Deleting a post will (used to?) instantly delete any pending suggested edit on that post.
Ryan edited it, which put it in the review queue the first time, then he voted to reopen, which put it in there again.
 
@CodyGray Could be. I'm not sure about that.
 
11:08 AM
@CodyGray pretty sure that happened a couple days ago when you deleted ...something or other, I don't recall.
 
@CodyGray I see. So one re-open vote. That's not quite enough yet.
 
I am certain it's a bug. There is no reason to edit deleted posts with suggested edits.
No. We'll wait until others read the transcript. :-)
Or you earn 3k rep... whichever comes first...
 
I can't reopen a post that I cannot see either way.
 
@CodyGray in which we have, at no point, linked the question...wait, there we go.
oh wait but you linked the review.
 
VLAZ and Shree are the only regulars that can see the post here. Apart from Ryan, who isn't (yet) a regular.
 
11:09 AM
Haha, oh yeah. Oops. Do you mean that not everyone who reads the transcript for this room is psychic?
@Scratte Um, perhaps you've met Oleg?
Oh wait, no, he doesn't have 10k.
 
@CodyGray Yes, I have.. 7K
 
What's with you plebs?!
 
@CodyGray We got sick of the gamification and we create user scripts instead.
 
"We got sick of the gamification and made our own game"
"Whack-a-Aaron"
 
I learned a lot about JavaScript :) Not enough to get a job.. but still :)
 
11:11 AM
I'm vaguely curious if you could reopen a deleted post with <10k rep if you manually sent the POSTs.
still wouldn't undelete it, of course.
 
@RyanM Ha!.. That's something @OlegValter would be curious about too.
 
It seems like you should be able to?
I can't recall if it's ever been tested, though.
Would be trivial to test... Oleg already has the code to do it from one of my userscripts.
 
Well, then I'll hold off requesting undeletion in case Oleg's bored tomorrow. Revisit scheduled.
 
You were going to run it back through SOCVR?
 
At least for the undeletion.
 
11:13 AM
Good idea. I have no clue what the POST would look like.
 
Yeah, just wait until you have the diamond tomorrow.
Seems easier :-)
 
Gotta have a backup plan :-)
 
Although running it back through SOCVR is more amusing.
@RyanM Demand a recount? Even in counties where you won?
 
I've absolutely run posts back through SOCVR after they were closed by SOCVR :-)
I don't think anyone's complained about me doing it...
 
Thus proving that the voters do whatever you tell them to?
 
11:14 AM
RyanM and cigien are the only two users that do that, if I understand it.
 
Well, usually different voters.
 
That's because others of us don't have to :-p
 
They're also mostly the only users contesting requests.
 
It's usually ones that languish for a while due to people declining to close vote it, before eventually picking up enough votes many hours later. I occasionally follow questions where I expect that to happen, and then reopen them when they're closed.
 
I doubt anyone has ever noticed.
Although maybe one person has, since evidently they noticed this one.
It's not like it was flagged or otherwise brought up for attention.
 
11:18 AM
Unfortunately I think most users vote for the 40/40 candidate.. :(
I used to check the close voters on those posts that shouldn't have been closed.
 
@Scratte How should I say... that's unlikely to make much difference?
@Scratte They weren't the 40/40 candidate.
 
@CodyGray Did you have you avatar all over Stack when you were elected?
 
@RyanM I think the first comment means that this should be asked in a hardware stack exchange instead of stackoverflow, but I am in doubt. — matiaslauriti Sep 6 at 0:11
Let me paraphrase Ryan M...
How is accessing a device through an API hardware-related?
@Scratte No. But definitely all over Meta.
 
"Also the new Cam is not supported, if you ask me." <-- that's not how it works! :D
 
11:22 AM
Actually, maybe that wasn't sent through SOCVR for the reopen...either way, it was incorrectly closed there.
 
@Scratte Depends. Maybe he's the development lead working on the Cam, and thus gets to make arbitrary decisions.
 
@CodyGray Do most of the voters go to meta?
 
@RyanM Likely was, unless you just pinged cigien about it.
@Scratte I would not think so. Honestly, I'm surprised I got elected by the masses.
 
Ah
 
11:23 AM
@CodyGray Right.. I'd expect a better Answer from the development lead :)
 
@Scratte Like maybe: "We decided not to support this because only 13k users were going to use it."
Or: "We aren't able to support this at this time because it's too hard to maintain."
 
@CodyGray Yes. I can see how a lead isn't necessarily <insert something here>..
 
You can see how the lead isn't necessarily sharp?
(You see, it's a pencil pun.)
 
But that entire post is a "I think that.."
The other lead was more like a "I'm removing this because I don't want to maintain it" .. "And I don't care about active users on the site. My word goes"
 
Ah, so you figured this answerer is not a lead because they had humility?
 
11:27 AM
Yes :)
Hmm... back to my bot-box JavaScript issue :/
 
12:10 PM
I find it somewhat amusing that elections have people trying to get a better candidate score. It seems to me that users that aren't interested in curating want to get a better score, which is a bit odd.
 
@Scratte I think you know more JS than I did when I started my first job after Uni. And it was a JS and Java position (basically equal weight on both) on the job.
 
12:34 PM
@VLAZ Interesting :)
 
 
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3:00 PM
thanks @Scratte for the update to the UserProfiles script, looks awesome <3
 
You're welcome :) I didn't know you used that one too :)
Funny thing is that I tested the Collectives Off script today. After I push I always check to see if it will still download. And I found they had broken it in the few hours in between :/
 
3:18 PM
Hmm.. I think my momory is faulty. You mentioned the fading didn't always work. I put in a mutation observer for it now.
 
3:54 PM
have you considered putting a blue border around "top x% this year"?
 
4:05 PM
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 47 secs ago, by Machavity
@VLAZ In Soviet CVR, questions close you
 
4:51 PM
@CodyGray it's not interesting when the mole refuses to show up
@CodyGray I intend to check how far a single well-timed answer can get one :) It already bumped me up nearly .5k this month - who would've thought that Microsoft breaking stuff is actually useful
@CodyGray sorry, went to sleep indeed - oh, what now? P.s. nope, not really - my day-to-day is mostly serverless
 
@OlegValter You're excused for going to sleep. This time.
 
@double-beep I tried it. I found it looked kind of ugly.
 
Maybe I didn't try hard enough :)
I didn't try with rounded corners, for example.
 
5:48 PM
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Hmm.. so there's a risk Aaron is going to mess with chat now?
 
Finally, the overhaul chat needs - everything would be a table in the middle of the screen.
 
6:07 PM
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 8 mins ago, by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
hi @rene
 
o_O
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@VLAZ LOL!.. They have no idea who they are pinging :D
That's the first thing I learned in that room. Do not ping rene unless there's a good reason to do so and whatever you say is likely to be interesting.
Apparently this may have prompted it:
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6:34 PM
I think I'm having a timeline crisis :(
 
Like, you want to go into a different timeline and leave us here or what?
 
No.. I'm having trouble counting
I made a script that counts delete votes. Which I can only see on the daily summary.
 
Remember - counting starts from one.
 
It sums them. But stops when it sees an "undelete" event.
Problem is that is tells me there are 3 delete votes on this timeline
Cody said I should just match them up: 3 delete votes with the 3 following in the delete event.
 
Where do you see the delete votes?
I can only see the delete events, not individual votes.
 
6:43 PM
 
Ah, got it. I thought there was a separate entry for each.
 
No. Sorry. I wasn't explicit about that :)
 
OK, so I see the problem. It's the summary which also includes the undelete.
 
So in this case, there are no pending delete votes. But my script says there are 3.
 
So a potential delete -> uindelete -> delete scenario might be hard to detect.
 
6:44 PM
Yes. Well.. I can collect that one too.
 
> Moderator note: The Stack Exchange software will no longer permit multiple delete or undelete votes as of Oct 26, 2021. This rule is now officially obsolete under these changes.
 
Yes.. exactly.. I cannot rely on an undelete on the same day to be cancelling them out. It could have 2 delete votes from a week ago. Then 3 delete votes and 1 undelete on a daily summary. But then there would be 2 delete votes remaining on it.
I can also not just do a modulus 3, because moderators and owners have special powers.
I can't check the for mod-flair because sometimes moderators step down.
@OlegValter I hope they didn't botch this up, so the author can still delete their own post twice.
 
@OlegValter Oh, didn't know this was deployed already.
 
@VLAZ I follow the FAQ post :)
 
@OlegValter Which one? I follow the one about new features but it hasn't been updated yet.
 
6:50 PM
@VLAZ Machavity just untied a FAQ post from FAQ, a moment
 
Are post owners exempt from this rule? Or can I not delete my own post twice now? You only mention moderators here. — Unconsidered 2 mins ago
I find this to be quite important really. I've deleted my own post twice because I've posted a wrong Answer. Then deleted it. Then I fixed it and undeleted it. But found that it was wrong in a different way, so I deleted it again.
The silence on that is not a good sign..
Awesome :)
@Unconsidered, good question! Owners are exempt from this rule and will keep functioning as before. I'll add that to the answer — Felippe Rangel ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:39 PM
This is absolutely awesome: 2CELLOS - Thunderstruck
 
7:50 PM
10 more minutes until the election closes :)
 
8:00 PM
 
this is somewhat unexpected
 
seriously??
4
 
Probably not a lot unexpected but still somewhat.
 
this is what an endorsement from Shog does for ya, folks :)
 
I think the results also underscore how much importance the candidate score has, and possibly how deeply flawed the current calculation of that score is.
 
8:06 PM
^ that
 
this is ridiculous
 
Yes.. I think I will have to not speak about this for a while.
 
the voters apparently didn't even care to click the "review | meta posts" buttons under the user card
 
in 2021 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Chat, 1 min ago, by Dharman
I think for the next election SE really needs to do something about the candidate score
@double-beep That's pretty obvious.. yes.
And the badge isn't helping to get only informed voters.
 
I can't actually express how garbage the candidate score is. But I suppose I don't have to for you guys.
 
8:11 PM
The fact that the election result message announcing the winners has half the stars compared to Dharman's message about the candidate score needing fixing, says a lot about the sentiment in that room.
 
well, the score definitely needs fixing :)
although can't say I look forward to redoing all the functions from scratch when it happens
 
@cigien I personally only starred one of those..
 
Yeah, I starred exactly one of those as well.
 
Dharman was my top choice. Well, I gamed it a bit, though, I'd have voted for him second but I figured his nomination wouldn't be hugely popular, so I moved the vote to top.
 
@cigien 6x the stars now
 
8:21 PM
@DanielWiddis Hmm, it's 8, and 17 currently. Those are the messages I was referring to.
 
@VLAZ Nice. I like that :) I voted for RyanM as my top. But only because I really really wanted Ryan as a moderator. So I had no doubts. I had trouble with the middle ones.
 
@cigien ah, there was a 3 one for results
 
Mostly between Dharman and Daniel. I really like the mediator role that I could see Daniel to become, taking to users and finding middle ground.
I've gotten a few "Take that, Scratte" in a very nice and diplomatic way from Daniel.
^ I missed what that was all about.
 
no idea either
 
Heh.. someone that looks like me Andy2K11
 
8:34 PM
I think I should sleep. I am very angry right now and I need to calm down
 
what's more, I think the bot will now lose track of withdrawn candidates as Slate moved announcements to Trash too
I hope it's not all of them
 
Noooo... I thought they did something like that! That is.. really not making me happy
 
have you tried clicking the Trash link?
 
Yes. It's private, no?
 
it's not a link to a room
 
8:37 PM
Ohh.. !
Ha!.. That's.. lol!.. I did not expect that.. :D
Thank you.. :)
 
I am not speaking to them anymore... :)
 
I clicked it the last time, so I just assumes it was the same.. Oh, that actually lifted my mood :)
 
I was about to get very angry because I am tired, and fixing the bot was not on my schedule
so thank you, @double-beep :)
 
I wasn't sure if this discussion was an elaborate ploy to get people to click it. :-)
 
There's a few people that have this ability too look at the facts.. always. double-beep and RyanM seem to have that :)
@RyanM It wasn't.. because we were just blind :D
 
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9:11 PM
@double-beep Brilliant results. I'm very happy.
 
I just found a peculiar chat room by accident:
 
@OlegValter That is very peculiar indeed.
I don't believe that last one. I think it's natural to bite your tongue when an authority offends you, because you know that it will hurt you more if you don't. I've had plenty of rude teachers in my life and I've hated every one them. But I always pretended not to.
 
 
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11:34 PM
@Scratte I found your sockpuppet account: stackoverflow.com/users/704879
 
@CodyGray I have no idea how they found that picture of me :D
 
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