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@TylerH that it was deleted- and by a mod
hi Ryan :)
 
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Q: Tag wiki for [testflight] needs a cleanup by someone familiar with it

Mark AmeryWhile reviewing this suggested edit I noticed the TestFlight wiki is in a bit of a confusing state. It presently refers to TestFlight in the past tense ("TestFlight was a developer tool...") and says that "The service was terminated on February 26, 2015". Meanwhile I observe that https://develope...

 
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Are the titles of the sections "off" on purpose?
 
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Q: The [autogen] tag is misused

mkrieger1According to the tag wiki, autogen refers to GNU AutoGen. Recently, the tag is mostly used for Microsoft AutoGen, or derived language bindings, which is related to AI and to my understanding has nothing to do with GNU AutoGen. What should be done about this? Create a separate tag for GNU AutoGen...

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@VLAZ meta.stackexchange.com/q/404709/997587 I was wondering the same thing and was going to report on MSE and found it already reported
me downvoting a bunch of non-answers, getting the system prompt that I haven't voted on questions in a while. "thanks, system prompt" *goes to downvote a bunch of questions with screenshots that should be code blocks
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Q: Blacklist the [oracle] tag

MT0Following Rename [oracle] to [oracle-database], the oracle tag should have disappeared. Unfortunately, it got resurrected and new questions are continually being created and tagged with oracle. For the past few weeks, I've been re-tagging 5-10 questions per day from oracle to the appropriate alt...

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beep boop
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Q: Raising a plagiarism flag throws a 500 error

Abdul Aziz BarkatI was trying to cast a plagiarism flag but got a 500 error when doing so. Specifically I was flagging a question in the Staging Ground. I'm not sure if this bug is specific to the Staging Ground or applies to main site posts as well since I haven't had the chance to use the new flag before this.

@starball Looks NAA to me
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extremely
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thanks. my brain was kind of ded.
 
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Q: Combination characters misuse spills out of all text fields on SO and discussion space

A-TechI ran a test on the discussion space and after further testing discovered that combination characters are not confined to their respective text field on the entirety of SO (and probably SE), but rather "spill out" across the site. Par exem­ple: Ever wondered how Stack Overflow handles glitch-tex...

@NewPosts thanks to the character limit chat/comments are save.
@starball yeah, I was surprised by that too, hence my edit and flag for it to be undeleted. I figure the deleting mod didn't look closely and felt based on its original phrasing that it was simply an attempt to reply rather than a proper answer.
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Q: Updates to the upcoming Community Asks Sprint

SpencerGTL;DR We will not hold a Community Ask Sprint this quarter, but instead, will try using a two week sprint in March 2025. In the previous two quarters, we have held Community Asks Sprints where all developers/teams focused on community products spent a week working on community asks. You can lear...

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@VLAZ huh. ok. I'm feeling surprisingly neutral about this.
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@VLAZ Yeah, I just noticed yesterday that the Community Bulletin started looking... horrible. Surely that is not intentional, but you never know anymore.
Does SE not have a staging area where changes are tested before being implemented live? — Andrew Leach 4 hours ago
@starball I think VLAZ's answer there explains why. Every time they do these sprints, they break more stuff than they improve. It'd be so much better at this point if they just didn't touch stuff.
@CodyGray I'd really like them to touch meta.stackexchange.com/q/401686/997587 and meta.stackexchange.com/q/115702/997587 (to address them)
The first one is interesting. I don't recall having noticed that before. I feel like it must be a regression, because I probably would have noticed it before. What does the focus go to for answers?
 
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@CodyGray Also, waiting 3 months to fix a years old bug. That only takes 10 minutes to fix. Last Community Asks sprint I think half the things were editing of text or tweaking settings.
Yeah, I don't know what slows them down so much. It certainly isn't exhaustive testing.
it's funny how all these site edits happen throughout the month but we only get a week of work on the site a quarter
it's not like they're ignoring the Q&A sites except for the 1 week sprints, so are they really ignoring community bug reports and whatnot and only fixing those during the sprints, spending all the rest of the time doing things that have a focus on marketing instead? or are the sprints just dancing bologna
It doesn't make sense to me, either.
I guess the idea was to let the community direct prioritization of issues during one sprint?
that's the idea yea, but..
does that mean the other... what, 10-11 weeks a quarter are spent on basically anything but that?
It is difficult to understand why the consensus of the larger community would not be very similar to that of a design/management team.
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Yeah but...last time did they even pick anything that was suggested in the announcement? They did pick stuff "the community" asked. Other random reported bugs and feature requests. So...it didn't seem relevant whether it was a "special" sprint or not.
I have no idea. I don't have anywhere near enough free time to track that kind of stuff.
IMO, instead of doing a 1 week sprint per quarter, they should spend a week being active in the community, getting to know the community and understanding it's needs for the following quarter
I was unhappy to see that no recommendations in the answers to that announcement were addressed. Not even a "We can't address this one in this sprint due to the lift but we'll keep it on our radar."
@KevinB That was supposed to be the Community-a-thon wasn't it? :/
Or was that just experiencing "average" interaction via questions and answers
that's not what i mean,
but
more being active on meta, discussing things the community cares about and what they're doing to solve the problems the community has
@Spevacus "the lift"?
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@CodyGray "Lift" referring to how much work may/may not be required to complete a feature request/fix a bug.
treat it like a network-wide week-long "meeting" discussing the goals of the next quarter, from a development, marketing, and business perspective with the community
If it needs buy-in and time from the product design people, it's probably unlikely to be done. This is why I suspect they'll never address Machavity's flag dialog revamp, which is a crying shame.
@Spevacus Yeah, I understood the Community-a-thon to be getting staff to minimally use the sites by asking and answering the questions, which is distinct from actually becoming a member of the community, and especially participating on Meta. I will never understand how there are so many staff members who don't use any of the Q&A sites. I mean, how many Apple employees don't use any Apple products? It's weird.
like it or not, what they do as a business has a direct effect on the community, if they're successful they can invest more time in the community
@Spevacus Oh, I see. Some kind of management jargon. Did you go get an MBA or something while I wasn't looking?
@Spevacus Why? That doesn't require buy-in or time from the product design people. Machavity already designed it. :-D
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@CodyGray LOL. My workplace has been tossing it around lately. Dunno who brought the term into our little bubble.
I don't like it.
it sounds like work
Physics already has a term for how much "lift" is required to lift a thing. It's called... wait for it... work.
Bleh. Physicists.
lift makes me think of satisfactory
conveyor lifts, head lift on fluid pipes,
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Or elevators.
well, i mean, satisfactory doesn't have elevators
My first thought was actually rockets.
I have no idea what you mean by "satisfactory"
it's the best factory game out there
Been playing Factorio lately. Trying out the Space Age expansion with some friends after beating the vanilla game. Pretty neat.
A factory game. Isn't that, like, getting a job?
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I've been recommended Satisfactory though. Might have to try it.
Kevin says it's satisfactory.
@CodyGray ... Shut up. :P
i have the base factorio game, didn't really like it
i have no idea why
I think playing it with friends made it a lot more fun than it would have been solo.
Plus there's apparently a plethora of mods to try that I haven't even begun to look through that add hundreds of hours of playability.
Yes, it's always nice to have coworkers.
Well, not "always".
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We call mods "increasing your workload with no overtime pay".
You could leave out the word "overtime" and still have a correct statement.
Well...
Oh, you're talking about different mods.
I tend to ignore mods, other than for ksp1 and skyrim
Maybe it's similar. Mods definitely make SO more playable, adding hundreds of hours more enjoyment. :-)
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there are very few mods that aren't ignored
I count myself among the lucky few to have survived Kevin's great purge.
Does ignoring work for mods?
Yes. I dunno how superpings deal with that, though.
Other than that it seems to work as you'd expect.
21:45
oof
did you see the answer bot post on mse
too bad i'm going to be gone for all the drama with the poe2 launch tmorrow
Debating getting early access.
i mean hey
if that community wants an ai answer bot...
who am i to judge
i just don't see where that community asked for one
@cocomac oh, nice, they’d didn’t show up under the “posts” route so I didn’t think to check “answers”. Here are the contents: web.archive.org/web/20241205215211id_/https://…Jeremy 3 mins ago
Jeremy snagged the contents of the answers.
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they are exactly what you'd expect them to be
Yeeeeep
> whoops you weren't supposed to be able to see this test, sorry, we have no plans of actually doing this
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@CodyGray nowhere. it stays wherever it was before you opened inline post edit via keyboard
@VLAZ they did do one thing that was on my long list (the voted to delete indicator)
@Spevacus sigh
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Q: It's time to blocklist the [api] tag

PhilToday I learned that we can request tags be blocked from future use (thanks Blacklist the [oracle] tag). The api tag has long been a source of contention, ref Is there an [api] to help burninate this tag? Is the "api" tag a too broad one, and a candidate for burninating? Revisiting the [api] tag...


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