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01:21
@NewPosts I'm annoyed that we don't have a proper way to clean this up. No, I don't accept "let the votes decide" for this, because of how cluttered it is.
@starball I'm thinking the "updates" in the question shouldn't be there and the whole thing needs an overhaul for current standards
01:48
@M-- oh, did I miss something juicy?
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02:10
lol, maybe, if you like that kinda tea
empirical evidence suggests I do
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search for the title in parentheses...
 
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05:57
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Q: How to ignore the tag permanently in stackoverflow.com?

leofun01When I hold mouse hover on the tag I don't see "Ignore" button. How can I add new ignored tag ? Is it possible to hide all questions tagged by ignored tags from my view ?

 
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08:19
are tag hovers for the first tag in a list item chopped off for anyone else in the /staging-ground page?
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Q: Support paging keyboard shortcuts in Staging Ground

starballPlease add support for next page, previous page, first page, and last page shortcuts in the /staging-ground item listing webpage

I suspect a CSS containment "bug"/misconfiguration
@starball Probably the same as the other one you reported on MSE with NATO. A class might be missing.
@starball It's already reported here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/430500/… (In fact you have an answer posted to it as well)
@VLAZ yes. that's what I expect. I don't even feel motivation to check devtools. I just assume they didn't have that attention to detail/quality
@AbdulAzizBarkat oh great
08:33
For the NATO thing, it was because they decided to change the paginator classes. but didn't update the keybindings to look up the new class.
I am in a cranky mood and my eyes are dry. I'm going to go to bed now :P good-tiime-of-day-where-you-are
Although, it's just more accurate to say "didn't update the keybindings" in general for all keyboard shortcuts problems. I don't think SE is interested at all in maintaining them.
@VLAZ maybe if I start crying it will solve my eye dryness
Maybe SE are concerned about your eyes, so they make you cry to maintain appropriate moisture levels. It's a feature!
@starball good news: it's fixable by adding extra classes. Bad news, if you add extra classes, it looks like this:
I've not looked into why exactly it's happening, just did the following which should satisfy the keyboard shortcuts:
(function main() {
	const pager = document.querySelector(".s-pagination");

  if (!pager) {
      console.warn("Could not find a pager on the NATO page. The fix for keyboard navigation is not active.")
      return;
  }

  pager.classList.add("pager-answers", "pager");
})();
(it's "pager" that's needed, "pager-answers" is the thing that works in NATO. The shortcuts search for different classes based on some conditions)
*facepalm* OK, so it works if you add the class to all paginators on the page. The issue wasn't that I added the classes but that I only did it for the first one. Because obviously there are two "s-pagination" items. Why would there just be one? Equally obvious answer - one "s-pagination" is the page numbers, the other is for the items per page (buttons to the left and buttons to the right in the screenshot).
Also further facepalm: the "go to first page" shortcut doesn't work for possibly the stupidest possible reason. It looks for an element with title "go to page 1" but the title starts with a capital letter: "Go to page 1"
09:21
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Q: It is encouraged to provide both a questions and an answer, yet some people are quick to downvote

k0pernikusThis is not a question but rather feedback. It is encouraged to ask and answer your own question Yet it happened a couple of time I did that and either my question and or my answer got a quick downvote. Just this day: How to unit test a symfony/console application command? I am not asking for upv...

09:33
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Q: Why i am banned to ask question twice after the first one was closed

hterrollehterrolle 49 on the 19/10/2024 and 31 now So i spend nearly two months to make an old GVR project work again on androidstudio. Since this post on starkoverflow what can be done if dependancies are removed from maven I have found a displat error using the GVR .aar i found in archive. So i...

> hterrolle 49 on the 19/10/2024 and 31 now
what?
> starkoverflow
@VLAZ That's their username and mention that they had a particular reputation on the specified date but it is 31 now
Ah, OK. I didn't get it was the rep. I got that it was their username but the random numbers and date confused me.
10:36
@NewPosts I wonder if there will ever be any solution to the whole random-downvote discussion. Seems to have gone on for ages.
But it's not random. Somebody decided the post was not useful and therefore downvoted it. I've yet to see clear indication there is arbitrary selection for what to downvote. I've seen much more upvotes that seem to have no rhyme nor reason for their existence. Yet, I've not seen as many complaints on Meta for that.
random in that it is not clear as to why a post was downvoted
lets take thsi question stackoverflow.com/q/70494487/14998487 despite several edits (I even asked here how to improve it) it still gets donwvotes every now and then
@A-Tech Not useful. I mean, sure you might not get the exact reason why somebody would think it's not useful but surely the concept is not that foreign that one would think all their posts should be lauded.
@A-Tech It's possible that users find it but it doesn't match what they search for. I've not looked through the question and answers but based on the title, I can imagine many people land on the question even if they want something different.
well feel free to change the title
I wouldn't. But thanks for the suggestion.
10:47
I think the whole downvote discussion wouldnt matter as much if it wouldnt affect new users much more than high-rep ones. for a 20 rep users a single donwvote removes 10% of thier rep for us it is nothing
@A-Tech It's a problem about social / cultural differences. Voting according to the site's culture is meant to be as easy as possible and needs to be taken in a generic manner. A downvote means someone found the Q/A not useful for some or the other reason, but in different cultures a downvote might be taken much more personally. Some might take comments suggesting improvements positively while some might take that as an affront. In the end you can't make everyone happy.
Haven't thought about that aspect yet, but makes sense. Especially given that social media makes you associate votes with likes/dislikes.
 
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Q: Why my question is deleted?

Md. Sohel RanaMy question was deleted. I can not find why it happened. First it was closed for asking my code what I tried. I updated the question with the code. After couple of days it was deleted.

12:45
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Q: Site maintenance - Wednesday, October 23, 2024, 9:00 PM-10:00 PM EDT (Thursday, October 24, 1:00 UTC - Thursday, October 24, 2:00 UTC)

DalmarusWe have planned site maintenance that will briefly impact Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange users. The window is scheduled for Wednesday, October 23, 2024, 9:00 PM-10:00 PM EDT (Thursday, October 24, 1:00 UTC - Thursday, October 24, 2:00 UTC). At some point during the maintenance window, the site...

13:05
BTW, I hate how inconsistent SE is with their HTML. I'm making a fix for all possible paginators. And just when I think I've covered everything, I get to a page that uses pg=X instead of page=X for the page numbers. I fix that, then it turns out that the previous and next shortcuts don't work. Only the first/last. Because yet another thing is missing from the HTML.
Sorry for turning this into userscripts room 2.0
 
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15:54
Kinda interesting looking at the top voters list for the week. I thought there would be lots of people using all their votes every day (which would be ideal for the site if they're experts on the content), but by the time I got to the bottom of the page, the users there had less than 30 votes total each, which means they didn't even manage to reach the max on a single day (out of 2). It could be the timing, but even month view shows that the top voters halfway down the page are only on average using half their daily votes every day, which seems low even when accounting for eg weekend breaks
It wouldn't be surprising to me if that were a reflection of the continued lack of interest in participation.
@Laurel It's hard using up all your votes in a day. Like, you almost have to aim for it. You can get there naturally if you do something like reviewing a very big list of answers to an old questions. Some of these, I've had to review over multiple days because of the vote limits.
This also is quite mentally exhausting to begin with. Which is why I'm not doing it regularly.
I don't think i even look at 40 questions+answers a day, much less vote on them
there was a period where i was hitting the cap occasionally... but it wasn't a daily occurrence then either
 
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17:35
@Laurel all the above. If I'm reviewing regularly or working on some programming task that requires that I do a lot of searching, I will have lots of votes each day, often 40 per day but not always. If I'm not, though, I will certainly not approach 40 votes per day
and on weekends I rarely visit the site anyway, so that brings down my average over time, too
18:09
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Q: Chat upgrade incoming! No feature changes, but major under-the-hood work

balphaTL;DR We'll be deploying a new version of Chat that has significant under-the-hood changes. Ideally you won't notice anything, but just in case, here's what's happening: Likely on Wednesday, October 23, chat.meta gets the new version. I'll be in the Tavern when I deploy the change, so if you not...

hey, an announcement i can upvote
Also this...

Update October 21st, 2024
Our rate-limit for automated traffic coming from GCP is now enabled, and is operating as expected. Per our last update, we are proceeding on schedule to rate-limit AWS beginning October 28th.
18:51
> On August 3, 2010, at 6:45 UTC, Chat was upgraded to .NET 4.0. Seven minutes later, at 6:52 UTC, that upgrade was rolled back with a commit message that I will not be quoting here.
lmao
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@RyanM classic
19:11
What happened the week of sep29, 1000 less questions compared to surrounding weeks
answers also took a dive that week, but never rebounded
19:36
@starball github.com/PurpleMagick/… install from the "dist" directory. See the readme for current limitations.
If you find it doesn't work somewhere, give me a shout. I'll publish this to StackApps tomorrow (time for bed now...)
I'm not super keen on fixing the companies page. I might just not. But the rest should be fixable.
It attempts to fix all pagination, NATO page included (I'll not be updating the NATO-only userscript).
as a side note: one of these days I should really learn how the cool kids are doing their releases with GitHub.
 
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21:26
@VLAZ something about CI?
NLN?
@KevinB no, just probably an indicator that better onboarding is needed to review in SG
i mean, maybe both
@VLAZ cool thanks
also... did they review it as needs major changes when they replied to you? rather than leaving a real comment for why it needs major changes? weird
22:02
@VLAZ some people do aim for it. (*eyes the people at the top of the list- I've always wondered how they do it. I have guesses, but jeez. it's still a lot)
@KevinB I sent like- three messages wondering about the same thing earlier :P
on one hand i thought maybe it was just a data problem, but the fact that answers stayed low...
@KevinB it looks to me like it is recovering, but definitely not as quick as questions, and week of oct 14th, answers trended down while questions trended up.
our avg questions per week dropped 2k-2.5k over the course of 4 months
I used to write multiple answers a day, and now I write maybe one a week, so it's definitely all because of me
and these are months that included the start of a new school year
we saw no school year increase at all
22:08
probably students are switching to LLMs
yeah yeah I know- don't make generalizations. I'm gonna make them anyway
i mean
the stats are the stats
eh, well, the downfall did slow a little during the school year
we can almost take the new years dip and use it as a predictor of where we will be by the end of the year
eh, well, actually we're already below it
22:52

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