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@ShadowWizardStrikesBack It's not, really. You can ping Mithical about it. Or me. Mousetail has been around in SO chat, but is most frequently in the Code Golf site chat rooms. He posts there pretty much every day, if you really needed to reach him.
@NewPosts Of course it's not a duplicate; why did I think that? Nothing is ever a duplicate, because it used different words...
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A: What is the impact of the moderation strike?

Evan CarrollThings have never been better for me personally. I feel the site is more equal now. People treat others with a greater degree of respect. We're all here to do the work on the site, with the diminished presence of a privileged class of lifetime tenured autocrats. Cheers to the strike going on FOR...

How many people can you insult in the context of one post?
@CodyGray-onstrike all of them
@CodyGray-onstrike Let's see: "I fucking hate all the disgusting humans. I long for the day the aliens exterminate everyone. Humans stink of idiocy. I hate you all. I hope you all die". There. More than 7 billion. Cheers to me.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype You left out the VHEM people
@JourneymanGeekOnStrike The what???
Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
00:53
Oh, the oil and gas companies.
Naw
these are folks who believe humanity should go extinct
not people who are 'meh, as long as we make profits'
They are secretly lizards.
Btw, the Earth is flat.
The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (VHEMT) is an environmental movement that calls for all people to abstain from reproduction in order to cause the gradual voluntary extinction of humankind. VHEMT supports human extinction primarily because, in the group's view, it would prevent environmental degradation. The group states that a decrease in the human population would prevent a significant amount of human-caused suffering. The extinctions of non-human species and the scarcity of resources caused by humans are frequently cited by the group as evidence of the harm caused by human overpopulation...
'Fun' fact, the 'lizard people' thing is an antisemetic dog whistle
@JourneymanGeekOnStrike Great. Naturally shrinking group.
Also the SO chime sounds like HALF my doorbell and has me confused
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Not to be confused with antinatalists (though there's an overlap)
01:18
@JourneymanGeekOnStrike Didn't we debunk that already in another room?
Did we?
I don't know, I'm past the number of rooms and topics I can keep track of
 
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Question title:
> Hi i want to ask a question regarding C++ programming
It’s the millionth duplicate question, too.
 
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04:56
@JourneymanGeekOnStrike I can see how it would be confusing. Especially if you know a guy called Pavlov.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Did you bring enough cake and party hats for the group? A million duplicates seems like a milestone we should celebrate.
 
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Q: Enforced Identicon? Cannot upload picture any more

MattSince June 2023, my profile picture cannot be displayed any more. Uploading it again don't work, only the ugly looking IdentIcon is available (which I don't want). Please check & fix this.

 
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@CodyGray-onstrike Just some silly comments.
Oh. Par for the course on Meta. I thought you had something interesting. :-)
@CodyGray-onstrike "interesting" will not be par for the course on Meta
stashing popcorn
@VLAZ-onstrike- That does not match my experience.
Granted, it isn't as spicy as Evan posting again.
08:17
His more recent work lacks a lot of the punch of his older canon.
Because he's happy.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Happy?
> And If you are too smart then please provide a solution first, then you can downvote it with as many ids as you want.
Look at them, trying to convince themselves the votes are fraudulent.
Wait, what do I do if I'm too smart? I downvote, right?
Yes. Because this as a question preamble is not useful.
Ugh. Sigh.
I just assume what you quote here is found in comments. It's really distressing when it's found in posts.
08:29
It was in a post, first paragraph, and it had some other useless sentences.
@E_net4isonstrike yup
@CodyGray-onstrike Celebration would include deletion, so no celebration while on strike.
We don't typically delete duplicates, so, no, celebration of this milestone doesn't seem like something that would involve deletion.
Rumor has it that deleting duplicates is typical at , so we might as well save the party hats. :)
@CodyGray-onstrike That doesn’t compute.
You must be new here. You should hang out more in SOCVR, were we delete duplicates daily.
08:46
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Q: Moderation strike: how is the discussion going between the moderators and Stack Overflow, Inc?

pierpyIt has been some time since the strike began; is there any news? I can find some stats here, about queues etc, but I have no information regarding the actual position of the two sides. Have there been any changes, steps forward?

@AndreasdetestsAIhype I've not seen a single duplicate SOCVR for days. Even weeks.
 
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09:54
OOOH MY! there is ~1258 people with >=100K score. OOOH MY!
And this is only on Stack Overflow on English!
10:16
Are there any significant number of 100k-ers on the other SO sites?
6 on RU.SO
0 on JP.SO
4 on PT.SO (I assume "mil" means "thousand?")
1 on ES.SO
waiting for someone on JP.SO to reach 1 million 10 ten-thousand reps...
10:47
@VLAZ-onstrike- maybe AU or SU
11:00
@VLAZ-onstrike- They’re all on strike.
11:17
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Flat tire :sadcat:
11:34
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Q: Opening a notification in new tab doesn't mark the notification as read

jcubicI often open notifications in a new tab and recently they don't go away when you click and open in the tab. So after opening and reading the comment, I need to click notification again to hide it and mark as read.

@Zoeisonstrike These aren't overflowing stacks.
11:50
@Zoeisonstrike ;) Call your boyfriend for tire fixing, not me.
Though any serious biker knows how to fix their own tires.
I don't think her boyfriend knows anything about tire fixing. Maybe tyre fixing.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype If your tire goes flat, you're out of luck unless you have a spare inner tube or a bottle of sealant + portable C02 canister to re-seal the tire.
@Mithical I know, I know. I’ve fixed them before.
My bikes’ tire tubes have been penetrated more than once.
But if the tire itself is ripped, that's a problem you can't really fix. (And one which I've had too many times.)
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Ya.
@Mithical Just use your car’s wheel for the time being.
I have the best solutions.
11:56
*squint*
I hope you're squinting at that zero that somehow showed up in CO2.
Oh, nice. An F-35 just flew past my window.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype You have a window on your bike?
@CodyGray-onstrike They're right next to each other. :( And look similar enough that it's not obvious if you're not really looking at what you're typing.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype how you know the type?
11:57
@CodyGray-onstrike Why would you think I’m on a bike?
55 mins ago, by Andreas detests AI hype
On a bike.
@CodyGray-onstrike On a hike.
With Big Mike?
Yes, to the pike.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack They’re rather easy to recognize.
Big Mike went to a hike and bumped into a strike!
11:59
And the chances of a jet fighter flying over my head, and it not being an F-35, are quite small.
Why is that? Norway is too cheap to buy any other kind of fighter jet?
Last time I checked, F-35s were quite expensive.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype why, no others?
@CodyGray-onstrike checks out :p
We sold the F-16s to Romania and USA.
12:03
Interesting! It might have reached me, just heard a supersonic boom. :D
@Zoeisonstrike I bet he does :-p
@AndreasdetestsAIhype I went to a local repair shop
@CodyGray-onstrike Boyfriends aren’t tire fixers. They’re tire-appliers.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype This is the first flat tire I've ever had
@Zoeisonstrike to fix your F-35?
@Zoeisonstrike my tire isn't flat.
12:04
@AndreasdetestsAIhype What now? What's a "tire-applier"?
I think I'm getting whiplash from this conversation.
@Zoeisonstrike It’s much cheaper to fix it yourself.
@Mithical sounds like Tavern. Or even Den. ;)
@CodyGray-onstrike One that makes somebody tired. I don’t think you want more details.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Depends on if you flirt with the cutie at the local repair shop and they do it for you, right?
12:05
@AndreasdetestsAIhype but I want! :D
How you make someone tired?
@CodyGray-onstrike Zoe doesn’t have permission to flirt with others. She may only flirt with her boyfriend.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Wrong room for such details.
@Mithical Kinky.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype How do you know so much about this?
@CodyGray-onstrike plot twist! @Andreas is her boyfriend! :P
She has way better taste than that...
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack @Zoe's gonna beat you up again.
@CodyGray-onstrike Good thing you don't, then. ;) ;)
12:10
I have impeccable taste.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype yay! getting ready to be beaten
Now you made it weird.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack to fix my bike tire :p
@Mithical Now?
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@AndreasdetestsAIhype and faster, but I'd have to get the stuff for it, making this option significantly faster. For now anyway
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack ew
12:15
@Zoeisonstrike what color?
@Zoeisonstrike Is that it? No violence? I'm disappointed. This isn't how I know you.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Black. It's the supreme colour.
@CodyGray-onstrike Happy to hear how much you love me. :)
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Violent heaving.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack black and blue (there weren't a whole lot of options back when I got a new one, because supply chain issues)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack must be the fur :p
12:19
@AndreasdetestsAIhype but it's 0.
@CodyGray-onstrike nah, I went to my happy place. Which obviously is full of violence, as god intended :P
@Zoeisonstrike Beige is best.
@Zoeisonstrike only the tire? Or whole bike? ;)
@Zoeisonstrike Are we talking about boyfriends now?
@Zoeisonstrike Your happy place includes Andreas?
@CodyGray-onstrike color of the tire she got fixed, which doesn't belong to F-35
12:21
@CodyGray-onstrike She's longing for Pandora.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack whole bike :p Unrelated though, that was like last year or two years ago. Had my bike before that since I was in like late elementary school?
@Zoeisonstrike make sense!
@CodyGray-onstrike no :p
@CodyGray-onstrike Yes, most definitely.
I guess that explains the violence.
12:29
@CodyGray-onstrike oh, you mean the punching bag in the corner of a building in the bad part of town? /s
@Zoeisonstrike Finally. Strong evidence of evil, toxic moderators.
Where's my bazooka?
You've been hanging out with Evan Carroll?
@AndreasdetestsAIhype For your own safety, please do not bite or touch moderators.
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@CodyGray-onstrike My new best friend.
12:33
@Mithical Kaboom!
@AndreasdetestsAIhype I'm glad to hear you're finally making friends!
the way the later data dump (after 2013) are a pain to get easily (and not just for lack of seeds)
they all share the same folder name in the torrent, which is "stackexchange"
I don't know of any client that let you change the default folder name on a torrent, so I guess I'll bear with it
Just download the torrents into separate folders. Then, you'll have "stackexchange" subfolders inside of those folders, which you can rename or do whatever you want with them later.
I mean, that's the thing, that only work globally on most clients I tried? (eg: deluge, etc)
unless I manage to use multiple different instance of the client, which could work
12:42
I'm pretty sure uTorrent supports this, but it's been years since I've used it.
oh, it's been years I tried that one too. will try it I guess, thanks :)
I seek out well-designed software with a native user interface.
Although uTorrent is pretty evil for other reasons.
yeah...I remember so many drama and other things with that one
I would prefer one that's 100% open source, but at this point, I just want to finish getting those data dumps
There's the one.
> PicoTorrent is built directly on the Windows APIs and will look native on all supported Windows platforms.
Also free and open-source. This is the dream.
(It's built on wxWidgets; just checked the source.)
Nice, let's hope that one let me change the default folder destination per torrent :o
but otherwise, this is nice, never heard of that one
12:47
Me neither; I just found it by Googling.
I suspect the key with this one, as with all of them, is not to let it auto-download, because then it'll just pick your default location, but to manually add the torrent, which should let you configure custom settings.
12:58
@CodyGray-onstrike None of them wanna hang out with me. :( I’ll go ask Evan.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype There are others?
@CodyGray-onstrike that's a good theory yeah
I managed to make utorrent work for changing the folder name btw :D
will try the other one too while I'm at it
@CodyGray-onstrike Kevin too.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype they might to hang you, not with you. ;)
13:14
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Possibly.
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Q: Should [sender] be burninated?

DharmanThe tag sender has 328 questions and many of them seem to not follow the tag guidance. The tag is: ambiguous as sender could mean anything even in the context of events not strictly programming related as this is just a generic term that describes the sending party the tag does not add any meani...

@NewPosts Ehm; you have permission to go on strike.
13:57
> I delete my answer. As I think downvoting a working answer is very impolite.
I will flag your comment after the strike. As I think complaining about downvotes is very impolite.
@E_net4isonstrike It's unfortunate that flagging was included in the list of things to strike against, as increasing the amount of unhandled flags is one of the clearest signals that moderators are desperately needed.
@CodyGray-onstrike sadly years ago uTorrent jumped the shark or whatever the expression is and became basically adware
@TylerH The intention is/was only to exclude flags that would cause action to be automatically taken. This would include comment flags and red flags on posts.
> private bool WasQuickToDownvote { get; set; } = this.playerData;
Look who's trying to get creative.
I don't think I left this crappy take here yet:
> perhaps downvoting should only be available to those with >5000 rep, while upvoting from 0 rep.
@Mithical this is frankly almost unbelievable. Mods are volunteers for the company. If the company really didn't like the notion that "mods just want to moderate and aren't interested in justifying their actions to the company", especially to the point that the company was allegedly discovering a significant amount of incorrect moderator actions, the company should have done something about it
You don't get to say you can do whatever you want and use the justification "oh well they don't want to be accountable to us" at the same time
@E_net4isonstrike I prefer the opposite, honestly
more realistically, score-changing, rep-awarding upvotes and similar downvotes should today both be gated behind 125 rep.
@Mithical Hmm, if only there were a moderator council or something that had more 'binding' authority over what happens to moderators network-wide. Maybe this is a good example of why it's in the company's best interest to reinstate/revive the mod council if they are concerned about mod behavior toward CMs or staff in the TL.
14:17
@AndreasdetestsAIhype only cost 280 NOK
@Zoeisonstrike That's quite expensive. That's money I'd have spent on candy.
That's, what, $2.80USD?
Ah, no, more like $28.00USD
yup
Lots of candies.
licorice?
14:24
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack >:(
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Q: Oi! A bunch of the site icons in the site switcher dropdown are incorrect

SpevacusOn the Stack Overflow site (not Meta Stack Overflow, Meta Stack Exchange, or any other site) the icon for Stack Overflow is the generic Stack Exchange icon, and Meta Stack Overflow icon is the Meta Stack Exchange icon. Also, the Meta Stack Exchange icon is replaced with Stack Apps' icon, and Stac...

@AndreasdetestsAIhype blame @Zoe ;)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I don't know... It's not really fair to blame her for everything. She's not really capable of that much.
She's a sponge for blame.
Can take it all, then when the time is right... blame somebody else. :P
Which means that blaming her carries no weight, and only makes me seem unreasonable.
!!blame @Zoe.
14:37
Not even close.
14:48
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Meh, it's not that bad
I earn 271 per hour atm :p
@Zoeisonstrike mhm
Somebody’s proud.
@Zoeisonstrike doing what? ;)
I have no idea how much I earn per hour, it's monthly fixed salary.
Back in my youth days, after army, think it was around $10 per hour.
15:05
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack That's just 100 NOK per hour!
@AndreasdetestsAIhype indeed. I was 21 though, and that was considered above average for the temp jobs I had.
When reaching the place I'm at these days, started with twice as much.
Now it's still above overall average, monthly, but less than hitech average, which is because I'm not really in hitech.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack You're not making AI formatting assistants?
15:25
This is your periodic reminder for you to tell me not to go full Meta
@AndreasdetestsAIhype nope
@E_net4isonstrike and going the full Monty? ;)
@E_net4isonstrike Why would I do that? I encourage this!
@E_net4isonstrike Go full Meta.
You're all very good friends.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Already did
The crab went full Meta:
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A: What is the impact of the moderation strike?

E_net4 is on strikeLess editing means more dirty posts Some of the striking curators would often handle general clean-up of posts to remove greetings, rants, and other kinds of fluff as they arrived. It's been 23 days since the strike, so we can probably grasp some changes in the amount of fluff in recent posts by ...

> F*ck to all down voters
That was a good fuck. I enjoyed it. Now please give more.
15:34
@AndreasdetestsAIhype for free?!
reconsidering life
Who knew we'd turn this into a discussion about paid sex.
@E_net4isonstrike any who knows me could have easily known. ;)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Programming :p
I turn any discussion into.... something weird and/or odd. :P
@Zoeisonstrike Nooooo, reeeaallyyyy???
15:41
@Zoeisonstrike bots?
And the daily eww goes to...
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Q: Colors update: A more detailed look

PiperA few months ago, we let you all know that in order to progress our goal of being more accessible, we would need to redefine our colors within our design system, Stacks. Before I walk you through the changes that we are looking to make, I want to thank the community for all your input. We found t...

@AndreasdetestsAIhype ikr. Shocking
@Zoeisonstrike Is it fun?
yeah
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack nah
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I’ll be awaiting the comments from skillful accessibility people.
@Zoeisonstrike Oh, nice. Can I do some too?
15:45
>:( ?! What???
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Doesn't look too bad
No toilet trips today.
@KevinB wow they finally made it not look like crap
15:51
yea, but read the featured posts, :p
i assume this is out of a dev instance, since that post doesn't exist,
yeah, I think those are old
That blog post is from 2020, for example
I imagine their dev instance picks random posts
i mean, the 2023 community moderator election questionnaire isn't old, :p
unless it's just pulling posts from random meta sites and listing them all as mso
possibly. Not sure. But I also am not shocked that they are planning an election. There is one almost every year
and SO is always needing new mods, even without most of 'em on strike right now
the other one is definitely old tho
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Q: Data validation & background for the Thank You Reaction feature test

Yaakov EllisThank you all for voicing your feedback and your concerns regarding the test of the Reactions feature. We would like first to give some additional background surrounding the intentions around this feature, and make things more clear than they were in the first post: Finding a way to allow users t...

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Q: Colors update: A more detailed look

PiperA few months ago, we let you all know that in order to progress our goal of being more accessible, we would need to redefine our colors within our design system, Stacks. Before I walk you through the changes that we are looking to make, I want to thank the community for all your input. We found t...

16:05
@KevinB Let's elect some fires this year.
@AnnouncementsonMSE You're late.
@AnnouncementsonMSE It was featured just now, so~
@KevinB FWIW, they haven't brought it up AFAIK
Unless they're planning on forcing an election without checking with existing mods, I doubt it's upcoming
(and historically, they've always checked)
16:42
> Mods on this site don't care what the rules say, they take action because they feel like it. And they're pretty open about that.
Hey you mods, what's with you being open about taking action? You're not paid for that! :)
@E_net4isonstrike Sounds like some mods need to be removed then
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Q: Should Stack Overflow questions be as short as possible and rely upon comments to discover where to add information?

Gregory LedrayIf you don't know much about a subject and are looking to learn, is it generally better to write very short questions on stack overflow and then only add information when you are prompted by commenters to add that information? I recently asked a question Foreign key usage in low-moderate complexi...

16:58
@AndreasdetestsAIhype huh? How? Tell me the secret! :D
Stop drinking dihydrogenmonoxide
oh I don't go there to pee
:-D
 
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@AnnouncementsonMSE They are finally making followed tags actually be noticeable in high contrast dark mode? Let's see if they also fix the keyboard navigation highlighting.
@VLAZ-onstrike- You mean this or something else?
@Zoeisonstrike Can I drink H2SO4, then?
@Mithical No, when you use keyboard shortcuts you have to select a post. The selected post receives actions from further keyboard shortcuts, like e for edit. The highlighting of the post is important in order to know what post you're working with. Except during one of the last rounds of the accessibility updates, they made the highlight literally impossible to see in high contrast dark mode.
Ah, that thing
@AndreasdetestsAIhype only if you were born on jupiter's surface
18:21
Works in everything else. But adding box-shadow: 15px 15px 50px rgba(0, 0, 0, .2) inset; (so, black, 20% opacity border, essentially) to the page which has black (rgb(0, 0, 0)) background for some reason doesn't show up.
I have only 15x15 box?! shrinks
15px off the edges
So, as long as you stay 15px away from any knifes or forks, you should be fine.
Or you need to stay within 15px?
Not sure.
The knife is within.
18:26
trolling level on MSE reached: "dafuq did I just read?"
> Thank you, Prashanth Chandrasekar
Sounds polite.
19:24
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Best post I've read in a while.
 
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Q: Are trivial edits now encouraged?

AlnitakThis question and every answer to it have just been edited with mostly trivial edits. Is such editing now encouraged, or is this a user just trying to get credit for lots of edits? I've reverted the change to my answer, but my position is that unless a change is needed for technical correctness ...


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