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12:06 AM
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Q: Can we have the option to show titles diff in two lines?

giustiSometimes the diff for title edits can be brutal. In this example the title was broken into eight pieces. Or less. Or maybe more. It's difficult to tell: Can we "nerf" the diff for titles? Or perhaps add an option to ignore the diff and simply show the two titles side by side (or, better yet, ...

 
 
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3:00 AM
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Q: What to do with all the similar question about hash collisions, Birthday Paradox, "How random is random sampling/RNG?"

smciThe following questions are all essentially about the same underlying concept, albeit in different wordings; we get new variants every month. How to handle them? Re hashing collisions, some questions are simply about calculating/estimating the collision probability; others are about tweaking the...

 
 
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5:24 AM
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Q: Bug in count of upvotes and downvotes

Harshit AgrawalYesterday, I noticed this particular answer had -1 count of votes and then I clicked on it to view the count of upvotes and downvotes it showed +1 upvote and -2 downvotes. Now today, when I revisited this same answer today it is showing a total of 0 counts of votes and still, the total count of ...

 
 
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7:12 AM
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Q: Found the read only

HilleI just stumbled across Mohammad Afzal who seems to be a first grade read only. I never found someone to visit so every day for over 100 days continuesly without doing anything. It's kinda amazing to me. Just wanted to share this to you - have a great day.

 
7:31 AM
goooood morning.
 
Hey Nick (⌐■_■)
 
7:48 AM
God moorning.
 
Hola.
 
 
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9:23 AM
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Q: Why is codereview not a choice on Flagging>Closing>Off-Topic>Migration?

JoSSteI was reviewing https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/24271653 which in my opinion is a question about the performance of the code, and shoule be on codereview.SE however, on Flagging>Closing>Off-Topic>Migration codereview is not an option. is this by design, or oversight?

 
9:56 AM
I noticed 5 (five!) user accounts that appear to belong to the same person - user IDs 3329664, 3964265, 4757770 8752798, 11062699. #3329664 even mentions "previous profiles" in their About Me section suggesting that this is kind of intentional / habit. This somehow doesn't feel right, or maybe I miss something - could moderators please have a closer look at these accounts?
 
(I am not a laywer) multiple accounts are ok as long as they don't interact.
 
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Q: I can't post this

Orsui can't post my question : Hello, I recently started working on a huge application, and while trying to squash bugs i encountered this error : Notice: Undefined index: février That appears on this loop of code, fetching data from a database : global $bdd; $result = array();...

 
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Q: What's the policy about having multiple user accounts?

BalusCTake this example: all SO user accounts of user known as "icepax". I can imagine of any human reasons to create a new user account at SO, e.g. willing to restart with a clean (reputation) history. But particular this one is extreme. The user known as "icepax" currently already has 10 accounts, e...

 
 
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11:10 AM
If you create a new account for each question you ask I guess you can never get question banned. Until caught, merged and manually banned of course.
 
11:29 AM
@Druckles correct, and I am mostly interested in whether these accounts were used for cross-voting or evading restrictions or some other abuse, that's why I ask for moderator help. Also, is there something preventing merge of these accounts (I know sometimes accounts merge is really not an option, wonder if this is one of these cases or not)
 
11:46 AM
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Q: Is deleted vote count will be cleared by batch if the question is referred as duplicated in some other question?

Ramesh RajendranPlease go this question : How to break/exit from a each() function in JQuery? There you can see delete(2) with 2 vote count. If I click delete button then I got this below information This is fine. but I have a doubt in that deleted vote count. I know this deleted vote is voted before refer ...

 
@gnat I would still custom flag a post rather than report it here though. That way you don't have to hang someone out to dry publicly.
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12:10 PM
@Gimby I did that a while ago, flag was marked helpful, things remained as they are. Now I am trying to understand if it was because handling these accounts was impossible or unjustified somehow (in which case mod would better use decline with custom message), or maybe some action was really needed bu somehow missed by mistake
 
12:58 PM
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Q: Tags that are a technology and a pattern

JosiahThe tag snowflake is being used by a vendor (by the same name) for their data warehouse offering. The usage guidance reflects this, but the tag wiki is about the snowflake data design pattern. This mismatch between the usage guidance and the wiki seems messy. What are the best practices on desig...

 
1:25 PM
@gnat there's nothing wrong with having multiple accounts so long as they don't interact with each other.
e.g. voting for each other, voting on the same content, etc. (things you can't do with just one account)
it could be that the moderator didn't see any evidence of that and so no further action is taken. Or they passed it on to CMs who are probably busy doing other stuff atm
regardless of the outcome, though, I wouldn't expect the CM(s) or moderator to inform you of the outcome as it's confidential
 
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Q: Is this question asking for code and self-answered with the code, too broad?

VLAZI saw this question: Display an arrow pattern And I'm not sure if it's broad or not. It's self-answered from OP and that is fine by me. It's really the question that bothers me - leaving the answer aside, it asks for somebody to create a non-trivial application and lacks any specifications. So...

 
Has MSE always not shown rep/badges on user badges on questions and answers?
 
1:41 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing probably part of the network wide AB test they're running
they ain't showing downvotes below 0 for some people either
 
Yeah, I'm not seeing below -1, but this is just on MSE
(where I am seeing all vote counts)
 
Umm...
I think that's a bug.
It's not appearing for me on any site.
 
I'll post an MSE post
 
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Q: What fantasy book has twins (except one's blue) and a cloaked ice bear on the cover?

Andreas IversenI remember only the cover of this book. A fantasy novel released before 2007. The cover of the book had a twin pair where one of the twins were blue, and if I am not mistaken, there was an ice bear wearing a kind of cloak in the background... sorry I do not have much more to offer

Good example. Here you can see it under @TylerH's edit, but not under his answer:
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Q: Tags that are a technology and a pattern

JosiahThe tag snowflakeis being used by a vendor (by the same name) for their data warehouse offering. The usage guidance reflects this, but the tag wiki is about the snowflake data design pattern. This mismatch between the usage guidance and the wiki seems messy. What are the best practices on design...

 
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Q: SO in Russian doesn't translate numbers correctly

JonHThe stackoverflow in russian site does not translate upvotes correctly: Here another example:

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Q: Can't edit/update my post because of errors

Berxzz I have a question about my Stack Overflow post: Hello guys i'm currently working a cipher I already finished the encryption but I don't know how to add decryption to this cause i'm still new to c++ hello can someone help me update my post I can't edit it because of errors heres my updated c...

 
1:47 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing I'm posting one as well
 
Now I can't tell between bad posts and audits because of this A/B test :-p
 
@TylerH Awesome, soon we'll have 3 posts ^^ one got put up right before me too
 
ah damn
 
@Zoethetransgirl I know :( I was 10s late asking about it so self-closed as dupe
 
1:51 PM
@Zoethetransgirl Too slow :-p
 
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Q: Did the user post count and badges just disappear from questions?

KayamanYou can only see the user's handle, and the postcount doesn't show up when you hover over it. The badges disappeared too. Is this some attempt at equalizing things, so that there are no more postcounts or badges and all questions and answers and users are equal? The badges are clutter, but the ...

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Q: Is SO running another experiment by hidding the user information or is it a bug?

Temani AfifThe user information (reputation + badges) are hidden for me. Is this a bug or another A/B testing? I can see only the editor information:

 
I guess they have some new A/B testing tools and they want to play with them.
 
Its an interesting test though. On another (Dutch) site I frequent the post scores are averaged rather than accumulated and can go from -1 to +3 only. So posts can still be downvoted, but to the public view it will have only a -1 score. There is no real reason for the author to know just exactly how many people downvoted, only that the majority of voters did.
 
@Druckles Huh?
 
nvm
 
1:57 PM
@Zoethetransgirl We were already discussing it and were aware, thanks for the PSA pin though ^^
 
@NickAthePopcornKing I know, but it's still nice to have a pin for people who missed the memo
Also, I now have 50% of the pins again ;P
 
Not again :face_palm:
And there's the userscript to fix it out >.<
 
Huh?
There is?
 
Yep
Check patrick's answer
 
god damn caching xd
I was looking through the HTML to fix it
 
2:02 PM
Note the userscript may.... cause problems
 
Will it make computers melt?
 
it repeats the username twice
 
and apparently you can't comment
 
with the userscript
 
2:08 PM
just saw. It just got patched too
 
I see the reasoning.
 
What is a "PSA"?
 
public service announcement
essentially "Hey, we think this is important and you should know it"
 
or "Hey, look at me, I have a bold header on the starboard!"
 
2:15 PM
>.> shush
 
"FYI the rep and badges is a bug. There is a fix incoming."
 
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Q: Let us opt-out of UI experiments

CerbrusThere appear to be a UI experiment running, currently. Vote counts are being "censored" if a post scores below -1. This experiment interferes with my normal use of SO, and I want to opt out of it. The fact that I'm aware of these experiments already removes the value my involvement, as I've ...

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Q: Typo in 'Adding Static Code Analysis to Stack Overflow'

StevoisiakThere is a minor typo in the Stack Overflow blog post "Adding Static Code Analysis to Stack Overflow". Not real code, ’cause by the time I though to take a screenshot we’d already fixed everything. This should be changed to: Not real code, ’cause by the time I thought to take a screensh...

 
userscript to show that info anyways when
PSA: Missing Usercard / Reputation is a bug and will be fixed shortly. (source)
 
Hahaha prepare to be removed from the pinned star board @Zoethetransgirl ;p
Looks like it's already fixed
Are we adding another PSA for that?
 
It annoys me people assume SE did it intentionally. Not everything is done intentionally - even they have bugs from time to time. And some times, bugs that break the system.
 
2:24 PM
It was a very conveniently timed bug TBF, what else would you expect
Considering they are meant to be announcing new CoC today
 
It even shipped before friday!
 
@NickAthePopcornKing So?
 
As pointed out, hiding reputation has been requested, so it's reasonable to think it was intentional.
 
@Zoethetransgirl Without any reason to believe otherwise it's reasonable to expect it was intended
 
welp, there goes good faith again.
 
2:26 PM
would have fit nicely into the other a/b tests they're running, and tbh I wouldn't disapprove of them testing it
 
TBF this has been their deployment strategy for a while now, make changes without any prior warning.
 
would be interesting to see the effects
 
Bugs are also changes without any prior warning
 
And so do tests :) we're back on the issue of the current "mood".
 
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Q: Dealing with a question that is asking for code

Doctor JonesI've come across the following question, which seems to just be asking for someone to write a C# equivalent of some SQL for them. I wanted to vote to close, but couldn't find anything in the close reasons that felt appropriate. So I decided to check meta, to see if there was a documented preced...

 
2:28 PM
People are on edge and assume the worst immediately.
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I know, but still.
 
I understand the frustration :)
 
@Autar *making small changes for the purposes of A/B testing. This was gone for everyone.
 
2:53 PM
@Zoethetransgirl Yeah, I downvoted the answer suggesting that on the MSE post. Not helpful to assume bad faith
 
3:03 PM
@Autar They have never announced when they make incremental adjustments to their code base. This was a bug, and was reported and fixed accordingly.
 
Hello, I have asked two questions on meta before some days, one 17 days age and another is 4 days ago. However, I get no response from community people but got upvotes for the questions. the questions were related to the feature requests. How can we handle the questions where you don't get a response from anyone
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Q: Developer story tab - redirect to tag

Patel RomilIn Developer story tab we can see the contribution of user for particular technology or tag. It will be nice if clicking on those tags redirect to some meaningful page/tab. There can be a two options Redirect to tag page Redirect to answers for tag given by a user

 
@PatelRomil You wait, I think some feature requests have sat round for years with no change
 
@NickAthePopcornKing definitely
 
@NickAthePopcornKing I've found some unpatched ones from 2012
 
@Zoethetransgirl looking the same, there are may such questions with status-review tag which are more than 3-4 years old
 
3:18 PM
@Zoethetransgirl Oldest I found was from 2010 for colour blindness support of favourites in the question list
 
@PatelRomil FWIW I had a feature-request get to nearly 200 score before it received dev attention
They're busy, but they do usually look at and posts
 
My highest is 63, and I think that's now status-norepro...
 
mine is 243... Joe Friend marked it completed, but it was never implemented. (on main)
 
3:44 PM
@KevinB I don't see this anywhere on MSO or MSE. Got a link?
 
oh, it was an answer
I was looking just for questions
 
I went on their network profile and looked at all activity by score ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
4:01 PM
sorry, was too busy workin to notice the ping
:shrug:
 
4:15 PM
PSA: blog post and an FAQ on the new CoC
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4:29 PM
sigh
 
Normally i try to use they for everyone. from reading the FAQ, im unsure if that violates the new COC
 
So, on reading the blog post anyone else see where the author did not carefully proof-read the content (two completely repeated paragraphs)?
 
it doesn't, unless they've directly or publicly announced one.
eh, a mistake existing doesn't mean they didn't carefully proof-read it
 
That kind of mistake...? Eh.
 
@Dragonrage Go ask
 
4:38 PM
that whole... "publicly" bit is weird.
If that's meant to mean anything other than in the current conversation, that's... asking a bit much
 
@Dragonrage no, it doesn't. Unless someone tells you they want another one
 
@Magisch FYI Done . Sorry if already aware :D
 
@Shree Neat. It'll probably be too busy for the workshop though
I want to make another room on chat.mse
if that works?
 
@Magisch Yep . It's work . Create another room where you want to dump. Probably I am not online today. It's 14 hour and still stick on SE. But it's works . :)
/o
 
5:22 PM
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Q: If an edit to an answer *substantially* changes that answer to make it a duplicate of another answer, should the edit be rolled back?

RuzihmThis is about this answer: https://stackoverflow.com/a/58327293/1092820 It was originally a very distinct answer: You could subclass Formatter and then it is fairly easy: import string class PartialFormatter(string.Formatter): def __init__(self, missing='~~', bad_fmt='!!'): self...

 
5:45 PM
@Shree For when you're back: I have created a room here: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/1366/… I need Boson's MSE Chat user ID to give it explicit write access though
 
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Q: Have the LQP and NAA flags been separated?

MachavityI flagged an answer as Low Quality earlier today. It was edited out thanks to Help & Improvement Triage. To my astonishment, I could still raise a NAA flag, which was not possible previously. Is this a new feature?

 
I've given you and Bhargav RO Access in case I'm not around
cc @BhargavRao
I don't think Boson has a Chat.MSE profile yet
 
Catch me up, what's happening?
 
That's it, genie is out of the bottle, question on involuntary third-party disclosure is out
 
2 hours ago, by Zoe the transgirl
PSA: blog post and an FAQ on the new CoC
 
5:48 PM
I had to ask it
 
@Zoethetransgirl That I was aware of, I was referring to whatever @Mag was up to with Boson. But thanks.
 
derp xd
 
@user58 I'm working on making a MSE comment archive
for easier flagging since we're down two mods
 
Ah. I see.
 
So maybe I'm going crazy but I don't see a clear path forward on how to moderate content here anymore
What I kind of need is someone to either affirm or reject my sanity on this one
 
5:56 PM
@Makoto This is most likely going to be incredibly low impact on your average user
very few people use diverging pronouns, fewer yet will put them in posts. Making a good faith mistake is not sanctionable. The same sane mods we always had will action this. The sky is not falling
you'll be well fine
 
@Magisch no one knows how hard the bus hits them until it makes contact
Admittedly that's pessimistic
 
for years we had no rules besides "be nice" so our mods are plenty experienced with constructively dealing with regulatory ambiguity
 
But that's kind of how I'm viewing it right now.
 
I'm asking you to give it a chance
 
Very . . . pessimistic, Mak . . . oto
 
5:57 PM
I'm as sure as I can be this won't be a big deal
 
I have no idea how to nick your nick
 
"Mako" @M.A.R.
 
@Magisch Well it's kinda awkward since you and I had this discussion in the Tavern
As long as we're discussing @Makoto's nickname, this room should be fine.
But as soon as I look away.
 
@Magisch I dunno. The last time we had an experience with the CoC there were legitimate concerns that it could be used to bludgeon otherwise innocuous behaviors with respect to terse but helpful comments...
 
I agree, I don’t think the requirements being put forth in the new CoC will have any real impact. But those changes existing at all makes me want to completely disassociate from se.
 
6:22 PM
Haven't finished reading the post yet but I already see three problematic self-answers to the FAQ that was posted
 
6:40 PM
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Q: Stackoverflow voting system updated to show no -ve votes counter?

Dhananjai PaiI have been getting a pop-up since this morning saying votes below 0 will remain 0. tried google/ SO search, could not find a question/report on this feature

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Q: How many times can a question be bumped by a community user?

DharmanIs there a limit to the number of times the question should be bumped? Should it be bumped 5 times? 10 times? Every month? Every 3 months? Is there an official rule for this? Will such question every stop being bumped? I am being motivated after seeing this question: https://stackoverflow.com/p...

 
6:55 PM
I notice neither the CoC FAQ nor the blog post is appearing the "hot posts". The former is marked "featured". Is this a normal delay, or is it due to prior "featured" content taking priority and preventing these from appearing?
 
caching
 
Even if I've updated the page explicitly, @JohnDvorak?
 
server-side caching
 
As you may have probably noticed, "caching" is also a cached default response.
Not that it's wrong
 
6:57 PM
@CindyMeister the featured / Hnq query is expensive iirc and heavily cached
also, the faq is at -97 so that may throw a wrench into things. I remember the last post that got heavily downvoted was semi-hidden from view too
 
But both the apologies are still listed, and they've "suffered" much more than the FAQ (currently) has.
 
@Magisch That sounds epic
I wanna see Shog throw a wrench. In slow motion
 
In a weightless environment
 
Into a pile of, I dunno, something that can get smashed
 
voting on the faq won’t matter
 
6:59 PM
With voice dubbing from Harrison Ford
 
@M.A.R. The controls for returning to Mother Earth
 
Or Liam Neeson
 
James Earl Jones!
 
Harrison Ford is the sidekick
 
user7437719
7:14 PM
A fisherman I see!
 
user7437719
Check out my meta post here: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/390214/gadzooks-a-wild-xcode-server-just-appeared

!!
 
@TomMinor Hi! Couple of clarifications: There is no rep on meta, you don't gain (or lose) anything. Also, you can ignore the New Contributor thing. People don't really care about it.
Mostly because interpreting it, for everyone, including the OP, is usually a really wide range of positive or negative impressions
 
@M.A.R. I added a userstyle to hide the new contributor thing in most cases after about 15 minutes of seeing it, personally
 
I leave it up so I know which posts to target
 
user7437719
Why would you want to do that?
 
7:23 PM
@TylerH It's become part of the background for me
 
user7437719
Asking TylerH
 
I leave it in one spot (can't remember which. I think under the question's user card). But the ridiculous repetition was what got to me
 
@TomMinor Can't speak for him but it'd probably be because it really doesn't matter who wrote it, what is written does
@TylerH Oh I'm sure it's more philosophical than that
I was giving a speech man
 
user7437719
Sorry
 
For example, if I see "new contributor" under the user card of the user who posted a question, I don't need to see it again as a non-dismissable banner in the answer editor
that's just condescending
 
7:26 PM
@TomMinor No I was referring to Tyler
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@TylerH That, yeah, that's really annoying :/
 
I just tune it out at this point.
 
user7437719
But, what if the user is an actual new contributor and they need extra help and clarification? This message would notify you of that
 
@TomMinor As it happens, those cases are much rarer than it being a constant condescending reminder than you're writing for a "newbie", for lack of a better word. And there are many articulate one reppers and enough high rep users who don't know the second thing about using the site, or whatever subject they're asking about
 
What should we do with that knowledge? The user being new doesn’t mean they’re clueless or of lesser knowledge level than anyone else
To treat them that way is condescending
 
@KevinB Is there evidence that it has helped anything anywhere? I mean, there is a vast range of viewpoints in the userbase
And it could make sense for meta posts.
 
7:34 PM
2 messages moved to Trash can
 
There are people who like to see it
(The welcome to the site comments that is)
 
user7437719
user58, why the trash??
 
Because the messages removed were unhelpful and unconstructive, and didn't bear keeping around. I'd rather not get into it now, though.
 
user7437719
If you would prefer not to discuss it now when shall we?
 
@KevinB Hey, I sometimes do that, although I'd probably never do it on SO. But if I'm explaining something to someone, scrolling down to type an answer and seeing "new contributor! bzzzt bzzzt bzzzt!" sends a signal, to me, that I'd need to actually dumb down my answer. And I hate that
 
7:39 PM
There's a difference between "dumb down" and "make sure that it's not written for a meta addict", though. It can be useful on meta sites.
 
user7437719
Because as a matter of fact, I would like to discuss this as soon as possible, Perhaps we can discuss this in another room?
 
@user58 Yeah, that's, what I said.
 
*shrug* See, just means you agree with me. ;)
 
@user58 No, you agree with me
 
7:58 PM
@Magisch that was when SE stood behind the mods, not sure now
 
8:34 PM
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Q: Accidentally marked as duplicate,

Moo10000 I have a question about my Stack Overflow post: Adding count plot totals and removing specific labels I accidentally marked as duplicate. According to our discussion, this was acutally a new a question. Can it be unmarked?

 
@Feeds ,
 
8:57 PM
@Makoto fun fact - a bus hit me on a cross walk one time
ever so gently, though, as it was just starting to move again
 
9:10 PM
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Q: Length of answer bans and how to get it lifted

ironkeyAfter trying to contribute positively to the community on my free time i randomly received an answer ban. I still want to help people out and now after deleting all my answers my ban is still not lifted. i love the community and how helpful people are here but i feel like this is limiting to lowe...

 
I'm really sad to see the response to the new CoC. It really doesn't seem that bad.
 
It's much better now than when it was initially presented through mods, but it still needs some improvement
Not enough to warrant all that though
 
i simply see it as wholly unnecessary. Nothing more than trying to drum up publicity of being inclusive/diverse.
 
I'm not really effected by how people use pronouns at me, so I don't really have a valid opinion on how "necessary" it is.
 
The viewpint of many of us, here, is that it's unnecessary or over-kill because actually needing/using third-person pronouns is relatively seldom on SO Main. I suppose it might be different on the non-technical sites, though. And the whole issue appears to have originated on those...
 
9:20 PM
My issue is with how people are mislabelling it as "Orwellian" and somehow infringing on free speech.
 
I mostly disagree with having to leave noise in questions. Also the part that using usernames instead of pronouns might be breaking the rules in some cases
 
That's jsut it though. in the few cases where that at all matters, it was already clear that that was a voilation of the old CoC
 
IMO the rest is mostly for public image and to reduce the complaints of some parties... And to appear "politically correct" (how I despise that)
 
They're not saying you must use their pronouns at all times, it's saying if they ask you to, you at that point either must disengage (without making it about that, aka just disappear without stating so) or proceed using proper pronouns.
otherwise...
continue as normal
that's always been the case though.
 
Also, and this might sound like kinda ridiculous, but as a non native english speaker, I don't even know most of those pronouns, nor do I know how to correctly use them...or how to pronounce them
 
9:24 PM
@KevinB They're asking you to use their pronouns if they're communicated in advance, and "in advance" is loosely defined. Supposing it's part of someone's display name, then it can be "at all times".
 
@Druckles To a certain extent it does infringe on free speech, the way "political correctness" does. But since it's a privately owned "building"...
 
If it's part of their display name, you can still choose to not engage.
 
@CindyMeister Does disallowing swearing infringe on free speech?
 
@Lamak Don't feel badly; it's my first language and I hadn't even encountered any before this all started up.
 
You aren't forced to communicate with anyone, you simply have to be respectful when you do.
 
9:25 PM
@KevinB but they clarified that if you chose not to engage because of their pronouns, that's going against the CoC
 
Yes, but you don't have to make the case that you're disengaging for that reason.
 
@Lamak Just don't tell them that :-)
 
If you do, that's on you.
 
@Lamak You use whatever pronoun you're asked to use. So you don't need to already know anything in advance. An the most common will always remain the most common: he/she/they. And you know that.
 
@Druckles It's likely because they're conflating the right with the privilege. I've said something to this effect before in here, but free speech is a right given by the government (e.g. United States); the privilege of free speech is something which mimics that right given by the government. As in all cases, there are limits.
 
9:27 PM
@Druckles the thing is I don't know the correct way to use his/hers for those pronouns. I don't have an issue with how people choose to be called, I just feel like I have to change what I'm writing for it because I'm not a native speaker
@KevinB I mean, if you are responding to some users and some not...it's not gonna be hard to notice
 
@Druckles I can't recall if you saw that entire exchange - a veritable **** storm. I have never objected to individual words used "in the heat of the moment". But that was more than anyone should have to bear. It literally made me feel ill.
 
@Lamak You're not any more at a disadvantage because you're a non-native speaker.
 
They can't force you to participate @Lamak.
 
@Druckles says you
I'm expressing quite literally that it's a difficulty for me, you are in no position to tell me how to feel about it
 
@Lamak Why? Who? Where? I'm serious... Are you that prominent in a particular tag?
 
9:30 PM
it's a difficulty not because I don't want to use those pronouns, but because I don't know them
 
@CindyMeister It was about 4/5 uses of a single swear word (which in many places, both English-speaking and non-native, is a mild offence) said in jest.
@Lamak My point is that no-one knows them.
And I'm not telling you how to feel about it.
But it's not important whether you know them or not. Someone will tell you. And if you don't know, then you're not at fault. That's the whole point of this.
If you're doing it in good faith, then there's no problem. If you had no way of knowing beforehand, then there's no problem.
There's no Orwellian conspiracy here or infringement on your free speech.
 
@Druckles More like ten to twenty - because I ran out of flags before I got them all. Jesting is no excuse for something like that. But the CoC violation in the reaction here was worse.
 
There were less than ten. But that's beside the point. You labelled the issue as an infringement on free speech. My question was how is that different from disallowing swearing?
You claim you feel sick from reading a single word "ten to twenty" times. How does that differ from someone feeling upset/offended/sick when someone else intentionally and with a bad intent (which is what this whole thing is about) uses the wrong pronoun to refer to them?
The whole thing boils down to:
* if you're using he/him/his by default, use they/them/their
* if someone's told you to use something different (e.g. she/her/hers), use that
* if you do this already, don't do anything different
* if you don't ever use any pronouns, don't do anything different
* don't be mean
 
(If someone decides to edit in their preferred pronouns into a technical question, don't edit it out)
 
@Druckles Actually, the term was profanity, not swearing... I simply stated my opinion that it is an infringement of free-speech. I'm not disputing the restriction(s) in the CoC. As I also said, this is a private venue, which means the venue has the right to impose such restrictions.
 
9:42 PM
answers too?
 
@Makoto until there is a better method for users to do so
 
Especially answers.
@Druckles No, F that noise. They had all the time in the world to come up with a better method for users to do this before enforcing the CoC.
 
so we have the go ahead to go through and edit all our old posts to add that specific content
 
@KevinB Ooh, my worst nightmare. <3
 
@KevinB If you feel it's necessary, I think so?
 
9:44 PM
it would certainly be fun
 
But the vast majority of users won't care. But this isn't about them.
 
@Druckles The qualifier is that it isn't. On a technical site like Stack Overflow, we don't...ask about an individual. We care about the code or the machine more than anything else.
 
given the publicity of a few of my answers
 
Not being able to edit it out as noise puts us in an awkward spot.
 
I mean, if you start doing it to "prove a point" then it starts to become bad faith. I'd certainly have a problem if you started stating that you want to be referred to as an Apache attack helicopter.
 
9:44 PM
Of course
 
You've apparently been promoted.
 
Yeah, just trying to figure out what to do with/about it... Tried to "reply" but replying to "Feeds" isn't so great :-)
 
(We... need to discuss some things about the process of room ownership here, it seems.)
 
Never been one!
 
Essentially, a room owner is responsible for the room - a sort of mini-mod for that room, with a selected toolset for handling problems that show up. They are expected to be an example for the rest of the room, and are the "first line of defense" in a room issue, before a moderator has to step in.
Yvette apparently decided that you should be a RO.
We need to codify expectations for appointing / removing ROs, though, looks like.
 
10:15 PM
@user58 Thanks for the short explanation. Q: How does one access the "tools"?
 
They're all built into the chat interface.
Hang on, there's a MSE post that explains a lot. One sec.
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A: A guide to moderating chat

TarynWhat tools are available to room owners? Room owners are users that have some elevated permissions in a chatroom. Typically, they will be the first line of defense when it comes to inappropriate content or behavior in a room. Users will look to the room owners to guide the room. The room owners...

 
probably start by reloading the page
 
^^WAs hopeful, but... Perhaps because I'm on my iPad, so don't get the full content in the right-hand column?
 
there's not much more available
 
yeah, protip - don't try to do anything moderation/RO related while on a mobile view
 
10:19 PM
Kindly asking people to stop what they are doing is probably among the most useful and effective "RO tools".
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it's gonna be a bad experience
 
Yeah, mobile chat moderation tools are Bad (tm).
 
@TylerH <ROFL>!!!
 
under "room" there's an extra button or two, and then when you click on a user you get a kickmute. that's... about it. Oh, and the slanty name!
 
OK, I'll look again when I'm able to sit at a "real" machine, which will be quite a while. Thanks for the tips and especially the link to the page!
 
10:20 PM
Just don't repeat my mistake of accidentally trashing 300 messages and you'll be fine.
 
<OUCH>
 
I mean, it's not as bad as the accidental suspensions.
My mistakes are documented on MSE forever. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
 
That's not something ROs can do, luckily
 
@user58 You must have a T-Shirt: Been there, done that (Room Owner)
I think it's not bad all that experience is documented, in a friendly way, too :-)
 
I have a t-shirt (I'm wearing it right now), but it just says "StackExchange".
:P
 
10:28 PM
And now, to steal a page from Yvette's book: Time to go to bed! I have to get up in the morming, take care of the horses, then get on the bus for Taekwondo training...
 
 
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