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12:01 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Sklivvz while I sympathize, English content written by people with poor English skills is inherently lower quality. The effect is compounding: poor English makes questions even harder to understand when it was already unclear due to OP's technical confusion; then answers are written - in poor English, but also in ways that don't work for Stack Overflow by other users with poor English skills who do not understand how the site is supposed to work, which is also exacerbated by the communication difficulty brought about by poor English skills. — Karl Knechtel 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Localized sites (like the ones already existing in Japanese, Russian, Spanish and Portuguese) are probably the only realistic working solution for this. — Karl Knechtel 52 secs ago
 
12:25 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Alright, I've deleted my 2 previous Comments, the Edit from "social media links" into "off-site contact links*" addressed them perfectly... // I think Mod @CodyGray "should"/could convert their 2 Comments into an Answer, with '+29' & '+14' Upvotes they convey the most Support from the Community for the "Situation" described in the Qt... (After the Strike I suppose...(?)) — chivracq 32 secs ago
 
12:48 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@beedell.rokejulianlockhart - Your edits were rejected because they were NOT an improvement. You are actually mistaken about the Markdown editor. You also added sentences, that were NOT written by the original answer author, which is concerning of course. Ultimately the author, who is a very experience Python contribution on Stack Overflow, decline your edit proposal. If that turns you off on making edit proposals, then you should revaluate, if you want to do edit proposals knowing the community will sometimes disagree with your edit proposals in the future. — Security Hound 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"We're not going to entertain any discussion that ascribes what we feel is a problem conforming to human decency to politics" Wrong way around. People who frame disagreement with their politics as a "problem conforming to human decency" are not having a discussion; they are dictating the terms of discourse. — Karl Knechtel 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"and people do it while solving programming problems without thinking about it." - no, they don't. Instead, purported "social scientists" with an agenda to push, make up biased, unsound methodologies to fabricate evidence for such. We can rule out such bias a priori because the people supposedly enacting that bias lack the information that would be required to enact it. Disclosure of race or gender on Stack Overflow is entirely voluntary. — Karl Knechtel 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@jpmc26 I would go further. I don't think the distinction between "social" and "political", in this context, is particularly salient in the first place. — Karl Knechtel 22 secs ago
 
1:07 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Elin no; when people hear claims of "disproportionate impact" they rationally respond to an attempt at political chastisement which is just like the others they have experienced countless times before. — Karl Knechtel 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Robby Cornelissen
@user1345541 I thought you were saying this was your only question? So, 100% of your questions were bad to the point that they got downvoted, closed, and deleted all in the space of 25 minutes. From your perspective, how should the system react to that? Cheer you on as you continue to inflict damage on the site? — Robby Cornelissen 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user13267
Lets be real a lot of these downvotes are from people who saw "LLM" in the question and didn't see a "ban ai from stackoverflow" and downvoted for the sake of it — user13267 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
It should also be possible to use SEDE: something like select * from Posts where UserID = <your id>, and then download the CSV of the results. I did that (not sure of the exact details) recently and it works fine. However, the post bodies will be rendered HTML, not Markdown. — Karl Knechtel 36 secs ago
 
1:36 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Eric because it is just as disingenuous as the original article. People who are acting in good faith, who don't intend to "discuss sexism or racism", don't bring up groups who are marginalized on the basis of sex or race in the same breath that they discuss concepts like "hostility" or "elitism". — Karl Knechtel 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"The people who forget that this is a site to help people, to give answers to questions to people can understand" - it is not a site to help people; it is a site to maintain a repository of high-quality answers to questions. Answer quality entails that answers are accessible to (understandable by) the people that would most likely have the question. It also entails that questions are not duplicated and that answers are centralized. If the best existing version of the question has unsatisfactory answers, add your answer there. — Karl Knechtel 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"People ... enforcing these crazy unwritten rules that good grief can't I even ask a question stupid moderators editing my .. or, essentially, feedback we've been getting since the dawn of Stack Overflow because the system is so very distant from anything else, and since the community makes many of the rules" - This is the company's fault for saying that the community is allowed to make its rules, but then denying proper means for the community to communicate those rules to new users before they post. — Karl Knechtel 45 secs ago
 
2:30 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
As the author of the artificial question... in question: see also a time that I attempted this and it didn't go very well. — Karl Knechtel 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"Many people, unless they own (and pay for hosting or self-host) a personal domain don't have a good place to put a guide elsewhere" - sign up for a free GitHub account; follow instructions to set up a blog served from that account; write the guide as a blog article, using Markdown. That's what I do. Alternately, use Wordpress etc. There are many free options. — Karl Knechtel 36 secs ago
 
 
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4:33 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"It is about people helping people." - No; as explained in the tour, it is about "build[ing] a library of detailed, high-quality answers". "Helping people" is only relevant insofar as the existence of that library is helpful. — Karl Knechtel 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"that's just a consequence of StackOverflow's Markdown interpreter starting automating list numbering at 0." - I have not observed it to do any such thing. — Karl Knechtel 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
This is untrue. There was indeed an update to the Code of Conduct. As was repeatedly explained to you in the comments above, the new Code of Conduct can be seen at stackoverflow.com/conduct , which is where the banner linked you to and is not a blogpost but in fact the actual Code of Conduct. That is different from the sidebar link (which is indeed to the blog post). The blog post also includes a link to the new Code of Conduct in the first paragraph. — Karl Knechtel 59 secs ago
 
4:55 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
One more reason why questions should start in a closed state.... — Karl Knechtel 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"Tiny sample of who is there." - with these links, you demonstrate the problem that @SurajRao brought up. — Karl Knechtel 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
If you do not have the means to verify which answer is correct (or indeed that either is correct, or to confirm that they actually even contradict), then do not accept an answer. — Karl Knechtel 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
 
 
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6:40 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
it is time for humans admit that AI is better, AI is the new deal. I told everybody that GPT — Passionate SE 51 secs ago
 
6:50 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sklivvz
@KarlKnechtel, I think your comment exemplifies what I'm talking about. People with non-native English contribute the vast majority of content, including high-quality content, to the site. However, it's easy to falsely assume that their high-quality content was written by native speakers and then govern the site as it was a site for native English speakers. This is a mistake. Numbers say that if people from non-English-speaking countries left, Stack Overflow would be at best a tenth of what it is today. — Sklivvz 12 secs ago
 
7:14 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
Thanks for your answer. Can you tell me where I can find a link to the Code of Conduct? — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"However, it's easy to falsely assume that their high-quality content was written by native speakers" - ? Either it was edited by native speakers, or else it has errors in the English which detract from its quality. Stack Overflow being much smaller than it currently is... would be a net positive in my book, frankly. — Karl Knechtel 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
"If the suspensions are fair then they should be evenly distributed among all countries." Why? This is only true if it can be shown that the behavior of users is identical across all countries. There's no reason to believe that that is true. If there are a large number of users being suspended from Country X, it is not reasonable to rectify this by suspending equally large numbers of users from every other country. Instead of evaluating the justness of suspensions based on the outcomes, we should instead evaluate the justness of suspensions in individual cases. — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4 is on strike
There is so much wrong here, it's embarrassing. 1. Even if there weren't a tendency for some folks in a certain region to exploit the platform more often than others, you are assuming that moderators are looking at a user's nationality to make this decision, or even that they should! 2. The decision from the company was short sighted and will affect traffic in several more magnitudes in the long term. 3. Suspensions are far from fun, you'd better stop presuming that this is all just a game of who upsets the most participants. — E_net4 is on strike 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
There is also no evidence provided, nor even is the claim being made, that "mods are costing [...] a traffic drop of millions of new visitors". The numbers are nowhere near this high. No moderator suspends people for fun. Evaluating all the necessary context and agonizing over the decision to make is literally the opposite of fun. — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
I have no idea. I have never once looked at the country a user was from when deciding to issue a suspension. That's how I know that there's no bias. — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@CodyGray-onstrike, do you really believe that country X is that special to have a high number of suspended users? — Passionate SE 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@CodyGray-onstrike, There are 195 countries in the world, if country X has an insane number of suspended users then that's bias. — Passionate SE 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
Please see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias to learn what "bias" actually is. Note that moderators have no idea where a user is from, and don't care. Also, you haven't defined "insane", or given any numbers at all, so your claim is vacuous. Finally, ironically, outcome bias is exactly what you've fallen victim to in these accusations of moderator bias. The fairness of the process is what matters. If there's insufficient evidence to issue a suspension in an individual case, then that suspension is unfair, regardless of any other suspensions. — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Observations like: "There are more suspended users from country X so there is a bias against country X" is a naive observation unless supported by more data. Maybe the reason just might be "There are more suspended users from country X because there are more users from country X" or probably various other plausible explanations. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@AbdulAzizBarkat, But why only country X? — Passionate SE just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
This feels incredibly one sided. Not doing anything against AI plagiarism will also significantly affect the traffic of people asking, answering and researching on SO. Notably, unlike AI plagiarism these are the things that actually sets SO apart from many competitors. — MisterMiyagi just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by OrangeDog
DDG is a proxy for Bing. Any data issues would be with them. — OrangeDog 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Let me put it this way. When solutions using generative AI like Chat GPT, Bard, etc. were launched they were initially made available only in specific countries (probably not bias but rather due to other reasons). This means for a period of time these models were more available to people from other countries. This obviously means you'll have more users from those countries suspended for using those AI models. Would you call this as the moderators being biased? — Abdul Aziz Barkat 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
The CommonMark specification implemented here starts numbering at the number used for the first item in the list, then increments each subsequent item (regardless of what numbers were used for those items in the raw Markdown source). Therefore, if you start numbering from 0, the first item will be numbered as 0 in the rendered version. cc @Karl — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@AbdulAzizBarkat, the generative AI is not bias and not analogous to the stack exchange situation. — Passionate SE 11 secs ago
 
8:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Ah, I see. Never actually occurred to me to try that. Somehow, despite being a programmer. :) — Karl Knechtel 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@user10186832-eatingpopcorn , a bot net cannot get through the stack overflow bot re captcha scripts. Almost all users are verified humans. — Passionate SE 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@Passionate If you seriously believe that GPT is better, I strongly urge you to spend more time learning how GPT actually works, and why it has the limitations that it does. I suggest starting here: writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/…PM 2Ring 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
"If the suspensions are fair then they should be evenly distributed among all countries." Does this take population into account? If there are, for example, twenty suspended users from Pakistan (pop. 250 million) and twenty suspended users from Croatia (pop. 4 million), is that a fair distribution? — F1Krazy 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
To complicate things further, what is Croatia just so happens to have ten times more programmers per capita than Pakistan does? I recognise and acknowledge your concern on this topic, but there are more variables at play than just "if you suspend more users from one country than another country then you're racist", which is what you appear to be trying to say. — F1Krazy just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@PM2Ring, but did you know that its making SE employees to not sleep at night because of the compeitition. — Passionate SE 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user10186832 - eating popcorn
@F1Krazy If the suspensions are fair then they should be evenly distributed among all countries. perhaps the distribution should take into account the number of internet users in a country and the number of registered SO users in a country. — user10186832 - eating popcorn 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@F1Krazy, I think the bias is based on maybe country X having a high number of suspended users across all SE sites which is a red flag. — Passionate SE 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
If that were true, would your argument be that all moderators on all Stack Exchange sites are racist? Would that include moderators who are themselves from "country X"? — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user10186832 - eating popcorn
I think I have read somewhere that the "problem" is users who use Chat-GPT to improve their English and therefore the bias is indirectly on a country basis. It depends on the number of proficient English speakers and registered SO users and internet users. The link is becoming more and more fuzzy. — user10186832 - eating popcorn 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@CodyGray-onstrike, I think racist is a strong and inappropriate word to use but who would argue with users from country x being suspended across all stack exchange sites as a sign that is something is not right. — Passionate SE 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user10186832 - eating popcorn
@CodyGray-onstrike what would be interesting is a similar analysis of a "foreign" language site like Spanish Language or SO in Portuguese — user10186832 - eating popcorn 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@user10186832-eatingpopcorn, that is the most plausible would be explanation so far, it may be explain the bias claim. — Passionate SE 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
Through no fault of moderators' own, we also suspect that there have been biases for or against residents of specific countries as a potential result of the heuristics being applied to these posts, that sums it all — Passionate SE 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Robby Cornelissen
No statement with "suspect" and "potential" in it sums it all (sic). — Robby Cornelissen 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4 is on strike
"in more than two Stack Exchange sites" They could have indeed been answering questions with ChatGPT on more than one site at the same time, getting caught in both. Morevoer, some people are known to be stubborn. — E_net4 is on strike 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4 is on strike
It also speaks loads about this answer that you are so focused on biases from moderators while failing to admit your own biases, nor that AI models have biases of their own. — E_net4 is on strike 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@Passionate It's not clear what you're trying to say, but I suspect that you are saying that SE Inc is worried by the drop in people posting questions and answers since ChatGPT was released. However, numbers have been dropping for years, for a variety of reasons, ChatGPT has just accelerated that. — PM 2Ring 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@Passionate (cont) ChatGPT is especially attractive to many of those people who didn't care much about the long-term health of the site and who just wanted their low quality questions answered. So it's not surprising to me that ChatGPT is more attractive to those people... — PM 2Ring 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@PM2RING, will they ever recover from this, can chat GPT make SE obsolete? — Passionate SE 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@Passionate (cont) One of those reasons is that SE Inc seems to be persuing quantity at the expense of quality. That has frustrated and discouraged expert answerers, disappointed in the increasing percentage of low quality questions & answers that have been accumulating, and has contributed to an atmosphere where new members (especially question askers) feel hostility. — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@PM2RING, yeah that explains it but it's a more android (chat GPT) knocking off Symbian(SE) it's perch. Let's wait and see. Time will tell — Passionate SE 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@Passionate AI might eventually make SO obsolete, but a pure GPT program cannot do it, as I mentioned here: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/422397/4014959PM 2Ring 30 secs ago
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
Small notice, I believe both examples are on-topic. But first one might be prone to closures as opinion based or too broad. — markalex just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
Are those "ways" you describe theoretical descriptions, or have some code representing them? — markalex 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@E_net4isonstrike,it's not mod's fault, it could be the mentioned heuristics being applied. — Passionate SE 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Giorgi Moniava
@markalex No there is code involved in both "ways", and also in the answers of what can go wrong if you use "wayB". For context, actually I am asking about an existing question which has been well received together with its answer, I was just thinking to rewrite it to better fit the site rules if that is needed. — Giorgi Moniava 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Giorgi Moniava
@markalex Also if a question is on topic in general, then why should it be prone to closure as opinion based? I thought if a question is closed as opinion based say then it means it is not on topic. — Giorgi Moniava 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
Well, IMO, off-topic ~ not about programming. But now when you asked I have my doubt's about it: maybe it is not what consensus about what on/off-topic says. — markalex 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Giorgi Moniava
@markalex I deleted that comment because yeah that maybe terminology related. You may say if it is about programming it is on topic, but it is still broad. — Giorgi Moniava 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@PassionateSE generative AI is relevant because the claim of bias is for suspensions regarding usage of generative AI. If there is inherently a larger number users that use generative AI in specific countries that is not a bias from the moderators. My point was not a analogy at all but rather one of the possible explanations of why more users from specific countries were suspended. Similarly there are more other possibilities. Without the proper data the claim of moderators being biased is entirely unwarranted — Abdul Aziz Barkat 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Based on existing questions, some of them got closed as opinion-based while most of them survived. — Andrew T. 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
@user Because you're thinking that the same spammers would target the foreign-language sites as do the English sites, thus, effectively removing them from the pool? Otherwise, I don't see what we'd gain from looking at foreign-language sites. Regarding your other comment about users using ChatGPT to improve English, that claim has never been made directly by staff, to my knowledge, and only speculated by some of us in the total vacuum of real data or other convincing evidence. It's my theory that a GPT ban would, if anything, have more FPs on native speakers like myself who write like the bot. — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Giorgi Moniava
@AndrewT. My question is also about existing question which was well received, I was just thinking about to rephrase it if needed. — Giorgi Moniava just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user10186832 - eating popcorn
@CodyGray-onstrike what are FPs please? — user10186832 - eating popcorn 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
If we are talking about question about useEffect you answered recently, you might reword it (and especially title) to increase its "foundability". Regarding question itself, I personally would go with slightly modified second example: "might it cause some performance issues or has other drawbacks?" and left "features not work properly" to answers. — markalex 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@user10186832-eatingpopcorn are you talking about this question by any chance? I do believe in that case the user wasn't suspended (only the answer was deleted). — Abdul Aziz Barkat 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Giorgi Moniava
@markalex no it's not about useEffect, but which did you mean? (out of curiosity). Also what you mean with "foundability"? — Giorgi Moniava 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
@GiorgiMoniava, this onemarkalex 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user10186832 - eating popcorn
@AbdulAzizBarkat no I was not thinking of that question, I don't think I have actually seen a question with a Chat-GPT closure reason before. If I am looking for questions to answer I stick to VBAuser10186832 - eating popcorn 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Giorgi Moniava
@markalex Ah no not that one also I didn't ask that question, so I avoid substantially modifying questions by others. ps. ah I see what you meant with "foundability" now, that others can find it easier. — Giorgi Moniava 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
@GiorgiMoniava, yes. It's hard to explain in words what I meant, but I'm happy that you understood) — markalex 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@user10186832-eatingpopcorn that is actually meta question asking why an answer was deleted. OP apparently used Chat GPT to refine their answer / correct their grammar. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@user10186832-eatingpopcorn, that answer was generated by AI and hence deleted for plagiarism and because user pasted response from AI as an answer. — Passionate SE 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user10186832 - eating popcorn
@CodyGray-onstrike Abdul has explained what FP (false positives) means. Doh! Taking a single question or answer in isolation I don't think it could ever be possible to identify Chat-GPT content. I think what some people are saying is that when a serial answerer has a history of using English and it suddenly improved around November last year then this is an indicator that they were using Chat-GPT. — user10186832 - eating popcorn 28 secs ago
 
10:11 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
That is certainly one of the heuristics that moderators used, yes. There are many others. I don't know why you think it is "impossible" to correctly identify GPT-generated content only in the context of a single post. The mods have definitely been doing that, and we're pretty sure about our accuracy. We are looking into possibly releasing some anonymized information and statistics regarding our results, including the text of posts suspected to be GPT-generated and stats on how we handled those (e.g., suspension, warning, etc.). But unfortunately it'll take a lot of time to compile. — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 57 secs ago
 
 
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12:11 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Hulk
@MarkAmery I'm pretty sure that geographic location is not a protected characteristic, and arguing it is used as a proxy for nationality would make a lot of large companies that use geofencing to determine the services they provide in a given region very... unhappy. Still, IANAL. — Hulk 11 secs ago
 
12:24 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Pranav Singh
I would avoid adding the related questions, add possible & concise information about challenge you faced & how to replicate, add reference if needed. In my experience adding the related questions might attract duplicate flags even when question is not duplicated or answered before. — Pranav Singh 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Machavity
@Trilarion The flag queue is pushing 2500 unhandled flags. The top flag handler for the last 7 days is [Yaakov Ellis](stackoverflow.com/users/51/yaakov-ellis, whom you will notice is SE staff. He's handled roughly 200 flags in that time span. No, not all mods are officially on strike, but that doesn't mean we don't have solidarity. Nor has anyone attempted to pressure any mod still handling flags into stopping. If any mod wanted to, they could handle flags today. — Machavity ♦ just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Machavity
@Trilarion The flag queue is pushing 2500 unhandled flags. The top flag handler for the last 7 days is Yaakov Ellis, whom you will notice is SE staff. He's handled roughly 200 flags in that time span. No, not all mods are officially on strike, but that doesn't mean we don't have solidarity. Nor has anyone attempted to pressure any mod still handling flags into stopping. If any mod wanted to, they could handle flags today. — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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2:08 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by General Grievance
You already asked about the traffic thing: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/424977. The evidence is against you, and you have not been able to refute it. Yet you still stated it here as if the answers there somehow affirmed your position. Please stop ignoring well-supported, objective counterarguments. It's incredibly disingenuous. — General Grievance 59 secs ago
 
2:22 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by mirekphd
@MisterMiyagi: it can soon become SO's problem... serving unlabeled AI-generated content to the European market can soon get you fined, GDPR-style (search for instance for "european commission wants clear labelling of ai generated content") — mirekphd 36 secs ago
 
2:36 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
May I additionally propose that questions start closed by default and that only if a gold tag badge holder sees merit, they can greenlight a question to receive answers? — CodeCaster 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Boah..., nope...! I don't feel like spending/wasting some time answering Qt's, ... to then see them deleted after "after a reasonable timeout"... (That happens already a lot in the small Tag I answer(ed), (mostly by the Askers themselves who want to keep the Solution for themselves only), Reason I more or less stopped answering...) — chivracq 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
@BrockBrown, 1. mods don't delete "straight up incorrect answers", regardless of their origin. Such answers are subject for downvoting, and can be deleted bu users (vote to delete, >20k reputation), but are not subject for flagging/moderation. 2. I believe mods can act on post regarding other policies, for example spam or very low quality. But most chatGPT answers are not suitable for this: they have reasonable quality, while might contain incorrect information. Using "incorrect" deletion reasons (like VLQ or plagiarism) is said to be privately prohibited by SE. — markalex 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
@CodeCaster, there are no gold tag badge holders in small Tags... — chivracq 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by zcoop98
What's the argument for getting rid of duplicates? Why should the community spend their valuable time answering questions which already have documented answers on the site? — zcoop98 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by IMSoP
@OrangeDog That's a bit of a simplification; Bing is the partner for bulk results, but DDG also run their own crawler for specialised purposes, and integrate various specialised feeds for "Instant Answers". It's probably Bing's data at fault here, though. — IMSoP 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@zcoop98 but... nobody forces you to answer such questions? — Your Common Sense 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Machavity
However, the question can be marked as being not useful for the general audience, due to reasons listed above. And such questions must be deleted/made invisible after being resolved or after a reasonable timeout. So... rename "Closed" to "Not useful" and shadow-ban instead of just asking the poster to improve their post? I'm really confused here — Machavity ♦ 59 secs ago
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@chivracq then silver would do :) — Your Common Sense 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@Machavity not "instead". Asking the OP to collaborate is implied. So it's first asking to improve, then helping, then shadow-banning :) — Your Common Sense 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@Your I'm not talking about me specifically; I'm talking about the community of "professional and enthusiast programmers" mentioned in the tour. Isn't pointing folks to places where the answer already exists just... more efficient for everybody? What's the benefit for curators or OP if a good answer genuinely already exists for their question? — zcoop98 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
What is primary motivation to do so? If you just want to create separate wiki-like base of community guided canonicals without linkage to user, wouldn't it be at least easier to imagine? And why remove closure reasons? Wouldn't it create mess of questions that is hard o navigate? — markalex 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dharman
What would be the incentive to answer questions that will not be visible? — Dharman ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@zcoop98 but... where did you get the notion that that existed answer cannot be offered? Of course it should. It just shouldn't make the question closed immediately. Some people just require an extra round of explanations. Or the same problem spotlighted form a different angle. YET, I propose that a dupe question must be removed, and not just "closed". Which will actually reduce the noize, as opposed to the current policy of hoarding the dupes — Your Common Sense 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@Dharman the usual internet karma points! And a natural desire to help thy neighbor. I see many people selflessly helping people in the comments section, knowing that the question is outright off topic. — Your Common Sense 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Martin Braun
It would be nice if questions like my one would be migrated instead of closed. I don't understand why people not even have time to say it belongs to law.stackexchange.com ... — Martin Braun 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
...so I just propose to institutionalize the current guerrilla approach — Your Common Sense 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@markalex thank you for such a thoughtful response. Yes, the goal is to improve the knowledge base and to make Stack Overflow newbie friendly while making it cleaner at the same time. All current Draconian laws are rather contradicting: being intended to reduce the noise, they fail to do so, while trampling on the noobs and amateurs — Your Common Sense 27 secs ago
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
I don't have a problem with such radical changes, but I don't see how they would improve the quality of 'Stack Overflow as a knowledge base' and you haven't provided any arguments explaining why it would. — President James K. Polk 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@PresidentJamesK.Polk yes, probably I should have elaborated more. though I doubt it would have changed that generally hostile attitude. For me it's rather obvious, that answering questions instead of closing them will make SO a much friendlier place. While focus on improving existing answers should make it a better knowledge base — Your Common Sense 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@πάνταῥεῖ no, i's not — Your Common Sense 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@Dharman it case you are talking about community effort question, of course any personal contribution can and should be recognized. I have no idea why current policy strips all contributors of all earned recognition. — Your Common Sense 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@YourCommonSense this is satire/sarcasm, no?? — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
I read it as sarcasm. — Peter Mortensen 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@PeterMortensen but why? I very much value your opinion. Can you give some pointers why it reads so? I know I often fail to express myself, especially in a hostile environment, but I trust that you can get what I mean. — Your Common Sense 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
An alternative, that would also solve the search problem, could be a filtered version (read-only), on a completely different domain and search engine unique page titles, like "Software engineers prefer FVOASNORWDAAGP" (the domain could be fvoasnorwdaagp.com, but domain are largely ineffective by now) — Peter Mortensen 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Welbog
This is already Stack Overflow except for #7. I agree with #7, by the way. We should reward curation more. You're welcome to do everything else you've requested, except instead of calling it "not useful for a general audience" we call it "closed". — Welbog 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Martin James
How can I simply respond? This implemented, I stop. — Martin James 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Your Common Sense: I am not hostile at all. The first list item seems like an attempt to remove all flood gates. Perhaps change the order in the post so it clear it is meant seriously? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@PeterMortensen yes, I considered a separate domain too. But that's just an implementation detail. An important one because a Q&A site and a knowledge base are quite mutual exclusive institutions and a better to be separated. but I believe such a separation can be achieved within the bounds of the same site too — Your Common Sense 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
(I forgot what FVOASNORWDAAGP was for: "Filtered version of a site now over-run with duplicate and AI-generated posts". It is just an example. The requirement is that it must be search engine unique (no false positives on other sites).) — Peter Mortensen 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@PeterMortensen I didn't mean you personally either. The first list item is just fist. So if I am getting it right, the list sounds so alienating that everyone stops reading there? — Your Common Sense 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@Welbog nope, it is not the same. I propose to help noobs instead of just kicking them off. I propose to make a cleaner site as opposed to millions garbage questions being "closed" but still hanging around. — Your Common Sense 47 secs ago
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
Normally I'd say that the chance of these things happening is zero, but considering SE management seems to be making bad decision after bad decision at the moment, quite frankly, who knows? — F1Krazy 1 min ago
 
4:24 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Lists shouldn't normally start with 0. If it is was for maintainability, they could all start with "1." instead of "0.". But this goes against the principle of Markdown: Readable source. This widens the gap between the Markdown source and the rendered page. It is very unlikely to be changed again and manual renumbering is not a big deal. — Peter Mortensen 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb - on strike
This would require considerable effort, behavioural change and goodwill from both the the company and those community members who curate and answer. In the current circumstances I think the chances of this policy being implemented are precisely zero. — snakecharmerb - on strike 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@snakecharmerb-onstrike thank you, now after you formulated it, I clearly see it myself — Your Common Sense 32 secs ago
 
4:45 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
"Instead, any problem must be helped with" so are we now paid volunteers? What happens when no one answers the question? Does the user who posted the question get a refund? Is the site now a subscription? What sortmof SLA's are you requiring here? — Thom A 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@ThomA it's just going to be deleted by timeout - not a big deal. Honestly, I don't get this attitude. Nobody forces you to answer a question you don't like. But why getting in the way of people who would like to answer? — Your Common Sense 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
A huge percentage of low-quality questions that are not closed or deleted remain unanswered. Many of these are ones that would be closed for the reasons you want to get rid of, but due to the hit-or-miss (mostly miss) nature of user-based moderation remain open forever. I suspect your proposal would not result in many more questions being answered but rather would result in many more being unanswered. In that sense your proposal would not really make things much worse, I just don't see how it would make things better. — President James K. Polk 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@PresidentJamesK.Polk The difference is here: "questions that are not closed"All questions that are now closed, will be deleted. It seems Peter Mortensen is right, nobody reads past the #1. The "close reasons I want to get rid of" simply become delete reasons. — Your Common Sense 34 secs ago
 
5:19 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Andreas detests censorship
I’d love to give you a big, fat downvote on this, but sadly, I’m on strike, so your post has been saved… for now. — Andreas detests censorship 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@PassionateSE - I would provide you examples of the content that I have flagged in another community of mine, to say that the current version of OpenAI that ChatGPT uses, generates complete and total garbage would be an insult to an actual pile of garbage. OpenAI in its current form is unable to answer complicate questions, that detail descriptions, which is of course required for a human to understand and answer a question. One common ultimate to the garbage that OpenAI (ChatGPT) is generating, is that it will pick up on details within the question and start randomly talking about it. — Security Hound 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passionate SE
@SecurityHound, maybe but it generates quality output that some users find beneficial in some specific programming contexts. — Passionate SE 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@Andreasdetestscensorship does your strike allow a verbal communication? I'd love to learn what made you so much displeased. Could it be that you just stopped reading after #1? — Your Common Sense 41 secs ago
 
5:44 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Andreas detests censorship
@YourCommonSense No, I read it all. But this has to be sarcasm, right? If not, I sense a distinct lack of common sense here. — Andreas detests censorship 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
@YourCommonSense, as of now, your suggestion is a list of points what to do, with rather scattered description why to do it. It looks like a solution in search for problem. I'd suggest you complete rework on this question. State your vision, what problems you see, who and how is affected by them. And then propose possible solution to described problem. — markalex 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@user10186832-eatingpopcorn - I commonly use tools like Grammarly that likely use some sort of LLM to provide grammatical improvements to your writing. However, in my experience, the tools being used to detect if a contribution was generated by a LLM correctly identified content ran through a tool like that as being written by a human. So, I don't believe for a minute that ChatGPT is being used to correct a user grammatical error in their contribution, I do believe, they are using it to generate their contribution in its entirety. ChatGPT isn't a tool to correct your own grammar errors.Security Hound 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Andreas detests censorship
8 is already true. 7, I agree with. 1 and 2: absolutely not. 3: we already have that: closure and votes. 5: Eh, sure. 4: Eh… 6: Njeh. And yes, I’ll refrain from further commentary. Striking is my duty at the moment. — Andreas detests censorship 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by canon
It's pretty telling, given the post-term sentiments of giants like George, Shog, Jon, etc -moderators or employees serving at or near the front. — canon 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@PassionateSE - I have reviewed hundreds of contributions generated by ChatGPT, I have not found a single one, that could be considered to be helpful. In order to get a LLM to generate code, that is helpful, the individual using the LLM must be already able to answer the programming question. Which begs the question, if the author of an answer is able to generate the answer themselves, why don't they just generate it themself? — Security Hound 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
"Nobody forces you to answer a question you don't like." But you are forcing somebody; so if not me, who? — Thom A 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@ThomA I already corrected myself, it should be read as "any problem must be let to be helped with". So I force nobody. Did I make myself clear? — Your Common Sense 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by canon
It's pretty telling... the post-term sentiments of giants like George Stocker, Shog9, Jon Ericson, etc -moderators or employees serving at or near the front. — canon 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@markalex You are right. I assume that those problems became a commonplace many years ago, but of course they need to be expressed anyway. — Your Common Sense 30 secs ago
 
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Michael Kay
I absolutely hate relative dates, in StackOverflow and everywhere else. If two comments were made "about 5 years ago" I want to know whether they were separated by 5 minutes or 5 months. — Michael Kay 49 secs ago
 
8:51 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by starball
when can we expect an update? — starball 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
This proposed policy is not well thought out, so unanswerable questions will be allowed and not closed, resulting in those questions being downvoted and the authors of those questions being hostile towards those dumb enough to provide feedback to those garbage questions that are answerable. — Security Hound 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
As to my strong language, I fully expect AI contributions to be allowed due the corporation overlords so I am literally throwing up in my mouth considering the prospect of not preventing low quality unanswerable questions. Retaliation downvotes are a thing, and while the moderators on their own reached out to me due to a comment I recently made on the subject, it was years (more than 8) after i had already reached out and was meet with silence. — Security Hound 53 secs ago
 
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
Congratulations on whooshing the entire community though (+5, -45). I have not laughed this hard at a Meta question in months, thanks for that. It does hint at the most viable cross-section of what the company and the community want. — CodeCaster 55 secs ago
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by schroeder
Your question doesn't belong on Law Stackexchange. Why are you jumping to that conclusion? — schroeder 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M - Regenerate response
@MartinBraun Separately, why are you complaining here instead of flagging your post and/or asking about it on a relevant meta site? — Ryan M - Regenerate response ♦ 20 secs ago
 

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