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12:15 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Samuel Muldoon
@MisterMiyagi Some people write # Header # instead of #Header#. I do not feel that this is a mistake. The end-user would benefit from being able to write # Header # or #Header#. Both of those could be valid headers in a future release of markdown language. Here is a regular expression which matches both headers: (?:^\s*)(#[^\n\r]+#?)(?:$)Samuel Muldoon 36 secs ago
 
12:30 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Please note that SE is using CommonMark. While extensions can be added (e.g. GitHub-flavored table), unless there are compelling reasons to get this feature implemented, anything that deviates from the standard may confuse users. Otherwise, suggest this to CommonMark instead. — Andrew T. 16 secs ago
 
 
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2:09 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Rose
'If a user is believed to have used ChatGPT' - There is no way to know this. How can there be such a wide-open — Rose 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Rose
"If a user is believed to have used ChatGPT" There's no way to know this. How can such an open-ended and loosely worded statement exist here? It seems ripe for multiple interpretations and misuse. — Rose 26 secs ago
 
 
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4:35 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Clonkex
It's worth noting that you cannot look at current trends and extrapolate with certainty. That's literally trying to predict the future, and we all know how well that turns out. So yeah, maybe AI tools will continue on the current trend and reach the point of actually being useful and reliable, but maybe we're nearing the top of the S-curve of progress and they won't get much better. It's impossible to know. Personally I tend to think they can't get a whole lot better because of how they work, but who knows. — Clonkex 1 min ago
 
4:46 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Trenton McKinney
@CodyGray-onstrike I disagree with your point 100%. I'm an engineer, and when someone requires it needs to be faster, there must be a quantifiable metric, otherwise it's just a bunch of handwaving. I'm guessing, if I had the full code from the OP, it would run faster, given my hardware. As such, I've answered the question, just by running it on better hardware, and their issue is not reproducible. — Trenton McKinney 59 secs ago
 
5:12 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user13267
Why is this downvoted so much? — user13267 49 secs ago
 
5:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passer By
@user13267 Read the comments above. It's a baseless speculation on what the future holds, and has nothing to do with the current situation. — Passer By 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@DalijaPrasnikar I completely understand where the trust comes from. Interestingly not all the mods are on strike. It may be that most of the mods who aren't striking are nevertheless supporting it but it could also be that there is still substantial support for the company within the mods. Nobody really knows. — Trilarion 34 secs ago
 
6:31 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tamer Shlash
Worth mentioning that there's a Ruby gem/library called whisper as well. — Tamer Shlash 49 secs ago
 
6:41 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Trilarion The most active SO mods are on strike or support the strike. Also my trust in mods is not directly connected with whether they are striking or not. Everyone can have their reason to do one thing or the other. I am also pretty sure that nobody is happy with how company handled AI policy. — Dalija Prasnikar 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@mason I said that in the last sentence before the footer separator. Was it not clear I meant that the question should be on-topic (really asking to know if I should edit something, not being aggressive)? — Tomerikoo 9 secs ago
 
7:14 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user13267
@PasserBy I read the comments. He's allowed to state his opinion. Don't get the downvotes — user13267 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passer By
@user13267 The "nothing to do with the current situation" part is why it's downvoted: it doesn't answer the question, even if this might be a reasonable answer to another question. — Passer By 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
It's so much more than "misunderstandings". SE is deliberately withholding information, they're deliberately misleading, or even flat-out lying. — Cerbrus 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
What do you mean you "don't get the downvotes"? There are at least a dozen people explaining in the comments why they disagree with the answer. Those are the reasons for the downvotes. No one said he's not allowed to state his opinions. — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
It is worth noting that staff has lowered the threshold for spam flags to 4 (down from the normal 6). This will reduce the effort required to remove spam, possibly allowing the community to do it without moderator and/or Charcoal assistance. — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marijn
This is similar to meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297249/…. There it was suggested to close as too broad. — Marijn 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by QBrute
"just tell the person that if they want help, they have to add more information on SO instead of trying to lure me away from it", yes that sounds right. Also, I would just edit out the social media links. — QBrute 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user13267
@CodyGray-onstrike + Passerby Why is this downvoted so much? = I disagree with the downvotes. so participating in the same discussion means he has to just post something that agrees with whatever the OP is talking about? Whatever justification people may be giving here, it doesn't deserve all the downvotes it is getting. — user13267 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
No, it's not allowed to include off-site contact information in a question or otherwise request that a question be answered off-site. Raise a custom moderator flag. Under normal circumstances (i.e., when Stack Overflow moderators are not striking), we have and use a moderator message template for precisely this case. — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
Only close as lacking focus/too broad if it actually is too broad. If they've omitted details because they expect you to contact them elsewhere, then that's either lacking focus or possibly needing a minimal, reproducible example. But don't close it merely because it contains off-site contact info. That can be edited out and a moderator flag raised. @Marijn — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@user13267 It means the answer should be part of the discussion topic of this meta Q&A, not some other topic. The strike is not about a hypothetical future AI performance and policy regarding it, so literally 90%+ of this post misses the topic. — MisterMiyagi 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gordon
@O.Jones Joel and Jeff both have left Stack Overflow a long time ago. — Gordon 53 secs ago
 
8:16 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user13267
@MisterMiyagi So he's supposed to have posted something agreeing with OP? Some users are threatening to strike, he is trying to give his understanding of why stackoverflow might have taken the decision, that lead to the said threat of strike. Even has a note of support at the end, hoping that this will lead to SO understanding unilateral policy changes are not acceptable. I don't see why that is deserving of this many downvotes. — user13267 46 secs ago
 
8:30 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@user13267 "So he's supposed to have posted something agreeing with OP" The very comment you replied to clarified that's not it. Feel free to disagree whether the answer matches the topic or not, but please refrain from alleging there would be a different motivation when people have gone to great lengths to state what their motivation is. — MisterMiyagi 30 secs ago
 
8:47 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user13267
@MisterMiyagi I never said anything about anyone's motivation, I stated I don't agree with all the downvotes, regardless of whatever justification people are giving here for them. I know I'm free to disagree whether the answer matches the topic or not, and I stated I do. — user13267 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I just had a programming problem. It wasn't already asked or answered on SO. I asked ChatGPT. It answered. I checked the answer. It worked. If only there was a convenient way for me to automatically import this vetted 100% working content (so that others can profit, improve it, post alternatives). But I'm not even sure that people here would like to have it (AI generated and everything, I would probably have to attribute in the answer). — Trilarion 28 secs ago
 
9:07 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Yogi
Reading the recent CEO Update: Paving the road forward with AI it appears the plan is to sell Stack Overflow data for training AI. So you would think this would be a reason not to want the data contaminated with AI generated answers. Otherwise it's just a closed loop system. — Yogi 27 secs ago
 
9:31 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joooeey
Even in light of the special circumstances, I'm disappointed that you're deviating from the Q&A style. This is not a question. How can we know that the position presented here is representative of those wanting to strike? I'm convinced a question & self-answer would have been more appropriate. — Joooeey 49 secs ago
 
9:47 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M - Regenerate response
@Joooeey To some extent, meta has always played a little fast-and-loose with the Q&A format, especially in the [discussion] tag. Here, the post sets out a topic, and answers can respond to it. Writing it as a self-answered question would make it more difficult for people who aren't those mods to respond. Your concern about not representing the positions of the striking mods is valid, though we've looked through it, one of us edited it to correct some facts, and we can post comments or answers if we have our own positions that differ enough or add enough to merit an addendum. — Ryan M - Regenerate response ♦ 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
"They will improve the quality of their answers." You are kind of missing the point that in order for an AI to provide good programming answers, it must be trained on something. There is no magic involved, the AI cannot get better without human input. And as it happens, there aren't a lot of other credible programming resources elsewhere online to train it on. Now, if AI generated content is fed as input to the AI, then it will get stuck in a recursive loop where it gets worse with every iteration, not better. And from there both SO and the AI will get worse. — Lundin 49 secs ago
 
 
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10:53 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Steve Summit
Wasn't there a long, thoughtful, and highly-upvoted answer to this question from @CodyGray? Or was that my imagination? — Steve Summit 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Syed M. Sannan
What is the reason behind this strike? — Syed M. Sannan just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by DavidW
I've definitely seen some uncaught spam that's persisted a few days that'd normally be cleaned up. Not really obvious "Phone this number for tech support" but accounts posting link only answers to blog posts by their dubious consulting company. I haven't flagged them for strike reasons — DavidW 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Yogi "...data contaminated with AI generated answers [...] closed loop system." It's not only a closed loop system. There is voting, editing. The whole content gets constantly changed. If the feedback part is only small, it still could be used to improve AI. There is a risk of oversimplifying the situation by just assuming that it wouldn't wok. One could imagine a symbiosis of AI and human generated content, where the AI types the text and we humans check for correctness of the proposed (hallucinated) solutions. If people like to do that is another matter, but it may result in high quality. — Trilarion 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
A Screenshot maybe could be "handy", or a Link at least... // But tja...!, I've always found those relative Dates a bit useless and always confusing, (I keep some Tabs open for days/weeks sometimes, then "3 hours/days ago" quickly doesn't mean anything anymore), I prefer exact Dates/Timestamps, we are all "clever enough" to know the current Date/Time and make the "Calculation" ourselves... — chivracq 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by gss
I have a question on Stack Overflow about performance when I said only that I need something faster than my code and no one closed this question, I have also received very valuable two answers :). But maybe it should be closed now? — gss 26 secs ago
 
11:16 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Holger
how many people are now using these tools first, before even performing a search?”—So you’re assuming that finally, users will do their own research before coming to Stackoverflow? — Holger 19 secs ago
 
11:28 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Example person
"Maybe "7 days" means it last fetched data from the site then?" - you need to research that yourself, it depends on the search engine — Example person 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
You left the site. So when you search google and you see an answer on Stack Overflow or any other site in the network, you don't click it? Surely I hope the actual truth is that you don't engage with the site anymore. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Example person
Also, it is good to clear the cache of your browser before you ask these type of questions, so that there is no misunderstanding. — Example person 25 secs ago
 
11:46 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by mason
I'd just be more explicit in calling that out. Such a question has a high likelihood of being written in a way that it's either opinion based or doesn't provide enough detail for someone else to answer. So the more emphasis you place on staying within the rules, the better. — mason 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Example person
Actually, this issue seems to be due to the new code of conduct banner. — Example person 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Pekka
Community and community moderation have stopped being essential to SE long ago. They are assets, and if other assets come along that perform better, they can and will be retired. Things ending up this way probably became inevitable the moment VC money entered the equation and the option of going down a more Wikipedia-like route was dismissed. I hope all the goodwill, talent, and potential of the greater SE community can one day be channeled into a genuinely community driven, open source approach less tainted by capital interests. It is too lately for this place though. The stakes are too high. — Pekka 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Pekka
Community and community moderation have stopped being essential to SE long ago. They are assets, and if other assets come along that perform better, they can and will be retired. Things ending up this way probably became inevitable the moment VC money entered the equation and the option of going down a more Wikipedia-like route was dismissed. I hope all the goodwill, talent, and potential of the greater SE community can one day be channeled into a genuinely community driven, open source approach less tainted by capital interests. It is too lately for this place though. The stakes are too high. — Pekka 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joooeey
@gnat-onstrike- Is there somewhere else to go (on the internet)? Or is it time to launch a new platform (with a non-profit structure of course)? — Joooeey 30 secs ago
 
12:26 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
I would already argue that it might not even be a valid answer when posted as an answer. If a question requires a full guide to answer it, that question might be a tad on the broad side. It shouldn't be necessary to have the book thrown at you by someone else when you can read the book yourself. — Gimby 50 secs ago
 
1:03 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by informix
If my question was so stupid, superfluous or unreflective it would neither produce so much engagement on the part of the power users here, nor motivate anyone to answer at all. There may indeed be a fundamental flaw in the basic concept of the system. — informix 30 secs ago
 
1:20 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@mason Agreed and updated. Now that last includes links to "how to ask", "what's on topic", and "what's not to ask" - that should cover it — Tomerikoo 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Darren Cook
Ouch. -5 for wondering if anyone knew if Stackoverflow and DuckDuckGo could work together better. No wonder I don't spend much time on Meta. — Darren Cook 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Darren Cook
@chivracq Yes, me too, and most datestamps in the search results are actual dates. Example person This is my research: I don't know how DuckDuckGo and StackOverflow work together, but I wondered if they might use those data-dumps, and are not doing old-fashioned spidering. Please suggest better tags if you know some. — Darren Cook 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
@Pekka maybe codidact.org then, eh? The site looks very nice now, I must say. Very... recognisable. But with a help link right in the menu bar, what a technological advancement. — Gimby 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
@informix, don't mistake desire to help newcomer (you) with engagement with you suggestion. Situation with downvotes is not ideal, it is widely known. There have been lots of suggestions over time, and they keep coming. It's just that non of idea's (that don't require major redesign of reputation system) is widely recognized as superior to current one. And mere suggestion "let's make comments under downvote obligatory" is for sure not considered superior. — markalex 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
@Trilarion That's good news, sounds like the quality standards on Stack Overflow can be made more strict so that simple stuff that AI's can answer don't need to be here at all. ChatGPT is not a competitor, it is an alternative. — Gimby 49 secs ago
 
1:48 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by gnat -on strike-
@Joooeey sure, one example list of alternatives is discussed heregnat -on strike- 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by informix
Proposed solutions: encourage comments with downvotes, consider improved reputation-based threshold, promote alternative feedback. Users oppose making downvoting harder, citing insufficient downvoting and negligible impact on reputation. They caution against assuming mistakes from downvoted questions and advocate less visibility for downvoted posts. The discussion highlights the importance of specific questions, balancing discouragement of inadequate questions, supporting newcomers. Previous suggestions for change have not gained widespread recognition as superior to the current system. — informix 53 secs ago
 
2:02 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by aynber
Search engines usually spider sites. The date could come from any number of fields, such as the last modified header, to some sort of date field in the response. In this case, it's apparently coming from the data-campaign attribute on the announcement banner div. SO has no control, and mostly likely, no partnership with Duck Duck Go, and trying to tailor their site to manage the date fields per site engine is probably a huge headache — aynber 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by informix
Voting should be transparent for all, but it isn't at the moment — informix 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Example person
@DarrenCook, but come on, would duckduckgo actually download stack overflow data dumps? There are millions of websites on the internet that they may want to crawl. — Example person just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Brock Brown
@DarrenCook ouch indeed, commend your bravery though — Brock Brown 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M - Regenerate response
I haven't voted on this question, but it would help to see an example of exactly what you're referring to. Ideally, as was suggested above, via a link (and a screenshot, as the contents of the link are likely to change over time). — Ryan M - Regenerate response ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M - Regenerate response
Example: duckduckgo.com/…, second link says "7 days ago", but is to stackoverflow.com/questions/1833538/comparing-strings-in-jav‌​a, which is from a long time ago. — Ryan M - Regenerate response ♦ 48 secs ago
 
2:37 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Gimby I also liked the experience. And of course the tool that gives the best and fastest response will be the tool people turn to first. In this way I think it is competition and has already taken traffic away from SO. — Trilarion 23 secs ago
 
3:05 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Adam Millerchip
@ThomA this is a request for votes to undelete, not asking for an explanation about why it was deleted. — Adam Millerchip 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by BDL
Even if we would undelete the question now, it would be deleted again on the next run of the community bot. So you also need upvotes to that question; at least one to keep it alive till a year after posting, more if you want it to survive more than a year without answer. — BDL 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
The post is abandoned, @AdamMillerchip . Why undelete it? What benefit is there to undelete a post with a <0 score, that has seen no changes in over 6 months and garnered less than 150 views. — Thom A 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Adam Millerchip
The benefit is that it serves as a knowledge base / search result for people looking for similar issues, and a possible location for the answer, if/when there is one. But you're both right, I should probably use other sites for niche issues like this, no point fighting the system. — Adam Millerchip 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
"and a possible location for the answer" There is no answer on that question though; if there were it would likely not have been deleted. — Thom A 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@ThomA "the post has been abandoned" is an odd argument for a post whose author is actively trying to save it. On Stack Exchange sites the threshold for 'abandoned' is already extremely high since answers can and do arrive years after the question was asked, in many cases. But for a single downvote vote, this post would happily still be sitting on the site, undeleted. — TylerH 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
Would you prefer "was abandoned for 6 months until 29 minutes ago" @TylerH ? — Thom A 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@ThomA Sure, if you consider any post "abandoned" for any arbitrary amount of time when someone is not actively looking at it or interacting with it. — TylerH 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Erik A
It has been undeleted now, consider adding a bounty to get it to survive the next run of the roomba and perhaps get it answered as well, you have sufficient rep to do so. — Erik A 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
Yes, I would consider a question that hasn't had any changes, or even comments (or bounties), for that long abandoned, @TylerH . Better than the verbiage Community uses, which called is a "Dead Question". — Thom A 8 secs ago
 
4:12 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sebastian
@Mr.Boy ha, good point :D . — Sebastian 17 secs ago
 
4:25 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Nick ODell
I retagged all of the OpenAI Whisper questions to remove whisper and add openai-whisper. — Nick ODell 5 secs ago
 
5:19 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin Krumwiede
Aggressive downvotes and close votes have always turned users away from this site. (Source: ask your co-workers whether or not they use this site and why.) But sure, let's blame AI. — Kevin Krumwiede 13 secs ago
 
5:42 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by BryKKan
@AndrewAllen Oh god, I'm definitely a bot then. Hedging and using proper punctuation? 😄 It's not that bots hedge that gives them away, but the fact that they hedge irrelevantly. They bridge together concepts which don't naturally complement each other, often with a transition that doesn't match the distinction between the two ideas or tones. I do hope we're not to be marked down for using punctuation going forward though! — BryKKan 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by dbc
Agree with @RoddyoftheFrozenPeas that creating graphite-whisper, retagging all graphite whisper questions to it, and aliasing whisper to openai-whisper is the way to go. You should make that an answer. — dbc 13 secs ago
 
6:08 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Didier L
@Holger people will go to where it's easiest to get an answer, ChatGPT allows you to get an answer without doing a search, so it even beats FGITW! I was actually thinking about it more today, if SO would generate an AI answer (as a community wiki with proper disclaimer) automatically for questions (maybe not for all tags), it would resolve both the FGITW problem and the current AI issue (what would be the point of posting an additional, almost identical AI answer?), and people could focus on improving those answers or tackling the more advanced, interesting questions. — Didier L 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Didier L
Anyway, that's not really the point of my answer. The point is that SE seems to be preparing something, whether we want it or not. I agree it is speculation, and I understand that people don't like it. — Didier L 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I don't disagree that they're probably preparing something, but i doubt it's literally implementing a GPT-like answer generator. Some of the biggest barriers for users using this platform has always been people try to use it like a help desk when it isn't designed to be one. I expect future updates to generally lower the quality standards of the platform through changes in access to privilages (things like voting/closing) and tweaks to costs to further skew toward more content receiving upvotes. I don't however expect these changes alter why people are leaving, we needed these many years ago. — Kevin B 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
needed the upcoming changes many years ago, now it's probably a bit late after people have left/given up. We already know more changes are on the way. — Kevin B 47 secs ago
 
6:58 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray - on strike
Voting is intentionally not transparent, because it's anonymous. This question's title ("How does Stack Overflow avoid power users voting down?") is like asking, "How does Stack Overflow avoid subject experts giving useful answers?" The answer is, of course, we don't. We encourage these things, because they make the site better. We will not be adopting your "proposed solutions" because they create too many barriers to an action that we seek to encourage: voting. — Cody Gray - on strike ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"Consider an improved reputation-based threshold for downvoting to reduce hasty downvotes." Done, downvotes require 125 rep, where as upvotes are far lower — Kevin B 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"Encourage comments with downvotes to improve communication and understanding." Done, years ago. After downvoting a popup stating as much happens. — Kevin B 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"Promote alternative feedback channels" Done/In Progress, comments is that alternative feedback channel, and in-progress is the staging ground. — Kevin B 45 secs ago
 
 
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8:43 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by leanne
Thanks, @Trilarion, for your thoughts. Personally, I believe people are leaving SO because of the adverse responses to just about everything by the mods and others. It has nothing to do with AI or low-quality answers; it has everything to do with the responses such as Temani Afif describes above: I can easily make the OP hesitating with some tricky comments and a down-vote and in most of the cases they will delete it because they are not confident and they don't know if the information are correct or not. Most of my coworkers, et al, search elsewhere now. SO is lost. — leanne 14 secs ago
 
9:30 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MandisaW
@TylerH Section 230 is under challenge, but it applies to published user-provided content, not the site's internal moderation policies. Notably, it wouldn't preclude lawsuits around unfair/biased suspensions based on faulty accusations of AI use. The protection from liability also requires DMCA-takedown compliance, which would be difficult if we can't tell gen-AI answers from human ones. — MandisaW 38 secs ago
 
 
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10:34 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
In other words, "Yes." — user4581301 just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@MandisaW I'm not sure what you mean by Section 230 being "under challenge" (if you mean in the courts, that SCOTUS case is settled), and a site's internal moderation policies are covered under Section 230 as well. The only requirement is that companies respond to and make reasonable efforts to comply with legal requests to remove infringing content when notified of it. It's also not that hard to comply with DMCA takedown requests at scale; most sites do so by just taking down everything that gets a DMCA request against it, which is safer than vetting requests manually and getting wrong. — TylerH 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@MandisaW No user has ever sued a website for unfair moderation practices, to my knowledge, because matters of Terms and Conditions for voluntarily using a site are, well... pretty ironclad in favor of the operator. You have no legal right to use a site like Stack Overflow, so there is no remedy that a court could provide for being denied access to it. Certainly no one has ever sued a website for unfair moderation practices and won. You raise that case in court and your case will be dismissed. Probably with prejudice. — TylerH 1 min ago
 

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