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1:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
Interestingly pasting the unicode character directly (**b.**​a) also fails to apply the bold in the front-end renderer. — Kaiido 1 min ago
 
 
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2:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Karl Knechtel: Posting answers. A typical pattern for someone who is question-banned is an abrupt switch to only posting answers (after only having posted questions for many many years). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
Investigating a bit more it seems that the U+200B character that OP used isn't supposed to be a delimiter anyway. So that would leave the HTML-entity -> saved as unicode round-trip as the only "bug", but even then I wonder if it's not a bug in commonmark.js itself that HTML entities are seen as delimiters... — Kaiido 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Karl Knechtel: Posting answers; they aren't answer-banned. A typical pattern for someone who is question-banned is an abrupt switch to only posting answers (after only having posted questions for many many years). Often it is late answers (presumably to avoid downvotes and betting on for the occasional spurious upvote) and in some cases plagiarised answers and/or completely bogus answers. And now it is sometimes ChatGPT-generated answers (that is much easier). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
3:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
One problem may be that you pay no attention to the site rules or haven't learned them. This question is off-topic. Please, before asking another question, spend some time in the help section and take the tour. — President James K. Polk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
cont' - Late answers with code dumps are pretty safe. Few with bother to check the technical merit and plagiarism check of code is very difficult (the easiest is if they copy code from existing answers to the same question). — Peter Mortensen 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Idle_Mind
You need at least 50 reputation to make comments, but no reputation is required to ANSWER questions! You've barely interacted with the site over the last two years. What you need is VOLUME; answer a lot of questions. Take a look at my recent answer history here. For my most recent 30 answers, only HALF of them received any upvotes or were accepted as an answer. This is normal, since there are many people who create an accounts and get answer but never upvote anything. — Idle_Mind 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Idle_Mind
Long story, short, you need to be comfortable with answering questions and not expecting points on many of them. Just keep answering and the points will eventually come! Good luck... — Idle_Mind 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alvi15
FWIW, there's other way to contribute like flagging posts, I am not really confident with my answers so I very rarely answered questions. — Alvi15 46 secs ago
 
3:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Because answers need to be more than good to actually gain any traction. They need to be useful, and ideally solving a problem that hasn't yet been solved here. — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
3:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
[ Boson ] New comment posted by QHarr
palatable or palpable? My language skills are failing me whilst trying to decide which was intended. I wondered if you meant the latter? — QHarr 37 secs ago
 
3:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pigeonhands
I just encountered a problem with the preview too. Tables in the preview look fine with text directly above, but when its posted it will break unless there is a space above it. — pigeonhands 45 secs ago
 
4:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
But the editor forgot to format the code at the bottom, and no reviewer edited it. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
@AndrewT. In my opinion, the edit is still an improvement. There is no need to reject part of the improvement even if you see that some other parts need to be edited. I could be wrong though. — holydragon 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by i-like-steak
This is incredible if it really was ai-generated. Funniest answer ever. — i-like-steak 1 min ago
 
4:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
This looks like a good place to reject so that the suggester sees: "This edit did not correct critical issues with the post - view the revision history to see what should have been changed." Or to improve the edit yourself if you see the part at the bottom with code not formatted as code. The suggested edit is definitely an improvement, but it's also incomplete... — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
@CertainPerformance According to the "Learn More" that links to "How to use the Suggested edits queue" dialog at the top left corner of the review, there are several guidance but I will pick some to discuss. Edits should maintain the post author’s original intent. Yes, it is. Reject edits that are spam, attempt to reply to the post author, or clearly worsen the post. This clearly does not worsen the post. Even small changes can be good edits! Choose Improve edit if a post could use more changes. This can be a good edit. — holydragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
@CertainPerformance [cont.] Another option that I think is more suitable is to choose Improve edit. However, the conclusion is "Reject", which comes back to my question. Why is it not acceptable? — holydragon 1 min ago
 
4:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian M.
Lol. I’m sorry that GPT knows merge sort better than 95% of SO members. — Adrian M. 1 min ago
 
5:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
"post answers but I was not allowed" - presumably you mean you have answer ban due to posting comments as answers... Reading post linked from the ban message should be useful. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Also it is good idea (more or less required on SO/meta) to avoid adding text unrelated to the question (or answer) in the post - it is unclear how using ChatGPT is related to any SO/meta question (short of discussing ChatGPT policy) or how warning that tag can't be created is tied to the problem. — Alexei Levenkov 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@LiamFielding - Why? Are you telling me that every single question, you have the knowledge to answer, happens to be a protected question? It takes a single upvote to get the reputation required to answer protected question, that means it takes a single answer to a question that isn't protected, to be able to answer those questions that are protected. If you are talking about the ability to submit comments, you shouldn't be submitting a comment, to answer a question. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
5:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I find this to be a rather nit-picky rejection. We need as many people reviewing as we can get, if we routinely shoot people down for not seeing additional opportunities to improve we're just pushing potential curators away. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "the technical terms in the edit that was formatted into a code block": There is a meta question for that somewhere. — Peter Mortensen 31 secs ago
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6:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Thanks @QHarr I definitely meant palpable. — Makoto 50 secs ago
 
6:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
As a Side Note, the added Capital on "To turn" is not correct in the "final Edit", and "my prices has gone from..." doesn't make sense grammatically (not corrected); correct would have been "including the decimals and now my price has gone from..." (or "my prices have gone from...", but I think Singular would be better, as only 1 Example is included...) — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
@Makoto- Tangential to the efforts that Berthold discusses, there are other steps we are taking to rebuild trust that are not directly tied to Collectives. Those include things like our massive investment in the community team, in our community products team, and in the work that is ongoing around mod tools and the discovery work toward anti-plagiarism tooling that is happening now. These are directly in response to community requests. We've also requested moderator input on our rollout of the new collectives and adjusted plans based on their input. This is all trust-building, at the core. — Philippe ♦ 19 secs ago
 
 
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8:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
I dunno if you've used Excel in the last 10 years, but some of what you can do with formulae these days is very complex and very close to programming, arguably if Excel formulae were to be off topic you might as well call pandas off topic — Nick stands with Ukraine 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@NickstandswithUkraine PHP also got very close to programming. Let's declare that off topic as well. — rene 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"I couldn't find any appropriate tags to use to ask this type of question on this site." - that should have been the warning that the question is off topic. — Karl Knechtel 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I'm afraid 'storage' is more like a meta tag and ambiguous as well, but I don't have a better suggestion. — Andrew T. 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
tl;dr: the correct change is not "dataframe" to "dataframe"; it could be to "DataFrame", but it doesn't really need to be changed. Changing "int" to "int" is okay, but changing it to "integer" would be better most of the time - since the question is about the type on a conceptual level, not an implementation level. — Karl Knechtel just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@KevinB agreed; hence my plea to accept-and-improve things that are net positive. — Karl Knechtel 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrUpsidown
storage useage guidance should probably be clarified too, I agree. — MrUpsidown 5 secs ago
 
9:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Imho, all of the tags (including storage) should be removed. All of them are meta tags. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrUpsidown
That was my first impression too. If it was my decision, I'd remove them all but someone suggested to me that we could merge them into that storage tag. Whatever direction we take, I believe something should be done. Thanks for your input. — MrUpsidown 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@VLAZ I stick to it being fluff. Transparency is good when transparency is required. Here it is just a weird message. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Honestly: Stack Overflow is already pretty well-stocked. It has long been in a state where you use it more to find information rather than push new information. But you get most reputation for pushing new (and good) information. — Gimby 39 secs ago
 
10:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
2 months "later", the Content of this Post feels a bit "outdated" as "slow down" + "reduce the volume" don't "rhyme" with "banned" + "not permitted"... — chivracq 1 min ago
 
10:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
The definition of "clean" is already hugely opinionated. But probably what made people go "bang, bang bang bang!" is that you have two very visible options listed in the question. Which one to pick? -> opinion. — Gimby 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the idiot downvoter
Can't speak for any voter, but this may have been caused by the subjectivity of what makes a solution "clean". The presence of two options could have lured some into thinking that you were specifically asking "which one is better", but this is pure speculation. The way I see it, the question amounts to asking for assistance in making software design decisions, which have shaky grounds for SO. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252139/… meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/281184/…E_net4 the idiot downvoter 1 min ago
 
11:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeo Hepperle
"I have two options, which one to pick?" this is not at all what I asked! I said: here are two options that both do NOT do what I want, is there another solution. — Tadeo Hepperle 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeo Hepperle
I just provided the two options, such that people can see that I already thought that far and do not need to propose them themselves, because they are both bad. — Tadeo Hepperle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Still a design problem, which is off-topic — rene 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeo Hepperle
No it's not a design problem. It's a syntax problem. I wanted to know if there is a syntax in gRPC that allows for returning both, a stream and a single response as a tuple. — Tadeo Hepperle 42 secs ago
 
11:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@TadeoHepperle fair enough, I gave my answer another edit with an alternative option. — rene 1 min ago
 
11:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"I find that MCVE is not so crucial for such question" - if the question you want to ask is "what does this error mean?", then sure; but that is probably best resolved with an English dictionary and some reasoning skills, rather than a search for technical information. If the question you want to ask is "why does this part of the code result in (this error message | an attempt to call a list)?", then an MCVE absolutely is necessary - it would be the result of attempting to debug the code. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"In this specific lessons-learned, one common theme sticks out more than any of them. Trust was damaged." Just as a more general comment, this sticks out in many of the StackOverflow lessons-learned posts over the years. It's very often "we should have consulted with the community earlier". Maybe lesson-learned is simply not the right category. More like ongoing issues. — Trilarion 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"Stack Overflow will always be one of the first results." Not as guaranteed as you might think. However, adding site:stackoverflow.com to the query should guarantee it. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Improving the big question is often impractical. In particular, there can be several wrong or obsolete answers (or ones that would become impractical to fix, if the question were properly edited to meet current standards) that have hundreds of upvotes each. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
 
12:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
@KarlKnechtel: "probably best resolved with an English dictionary and some reasoning skills" - Both these skills are not sufficient for resolve even this simple problem in Python without some knowledge of the Python. Moreover, the required knowledge - that any symbol in the Python can be redefined by a user - is not the one which every beginner has. BTW, this is why Stack Overflow is so useful: It allows me to find a receipt which I cannot deduce at my level of understanding of the technology. — Tsyvarev 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Right, they aren't sufficient to resolve the problem in the canonical, that the code shadows the builtin. But that is not the question prompted directly by the error message. There are many other things that can cause this error, besides shadowing the built-in list. For example, erroneously using () instead of [] to subscript. Which is why a MCVE would be necessary. Otherwise, people with the latter problem will be directed to something useless and misleading (i.e., this canonical, which is a different question for the same error message). — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
"[...] sponsorship is how we plan to monetize Collectives. [We’re] still exploring what specific forms that might take [...]" - here's a novel monetization idea inspired by the meta response to these announcements and Collectives in general: you could probably get people to pay for not introducing collectives in their favourite tags. Imagine a kickstarter-like model with a funding goal and deadline. Anyone can pay into the pot, if the goal is not reached by the deadline, money is refunded and the Collective is unleashed. Paying suckers could get a badge or hat for their troubles. — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
@KarlKnechtel: "For example, erroneously using () instead of [] to subscript. Which is why a MCVE would be necessary." - The question actually contains code which is pointed by the error message: example = list('easyhoss'). So it is definitely not about subscripting. But that code is not an MCVE, because it misses some other line which redefines list. — Tsyvarev just now
 
12:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Sure. But it should have an MCVE (and I am discussing the matter in chat); and while people looking for it won't necessarily have one, they'd be better off if they'd put in the work to create one. In particular, MCVEs need to be able to work from a new session; so if they'd tried the obvious thing and found that the bug went away, then they'd have the hint that something previous in the session was responsible. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I think the question would be better off if it clearly highlights the intended interface and behaviour. "Unfortunately this is not possible" - if it were possible, exactly what do you suppose it would do? — Karl Knechtel just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aaron Bertrand
This ambiguity certainly had me questioning things and even looking at source code, given this conversation could you add clarity here to specify that it is links from the form fields in profile edit only, and not all the links you might add to the about me section? — Aaron Bertrand 26 secs ago
 
1:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@KarlKnechtel - “I wanted to know if there is a syntax in gRPC that allows for returning both, a stream and a single response as a tuple.” - You didn’t ask that question though, seems like you should explicitly ask that question, would go a long way to addressing the reason the question was closed. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@SecurityHound I think you meant to ping the OP, not Karl ... — rene 1 min ago
 
2:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@TadeoHepperle I have to make clear that there is a big difference between what you intend and what you present. Even if you have the best intentions and have no intention at all to ask for opinions, if you write a question in a way that reads opinionated, you make your life difficult. So an example such as this is very telling, because you put two options exceptionally visible for everyone to see by applying headings even to draw eyes to it. That is probably worse than putting them in a bullet list. If it requires people to have to reason why something is not opinionated, you need to rewrite. — Gimby 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Carcigenicate
@KarlKnechtel Yes, blog spam is slowly creeping its way up, unfortunately. — Carcigenicate 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
It seems Stack Overflow doesn't support Safari on iOS 16.3 according to: browsers.stackoverflow.designAbdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John M. Wright
I believe the intent was to show the current vs the new tag associations, but I agree it looks a bit odd. I'll raise it with the team and see what we can do. — John M. Wright ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John M. Wright
if (User.IsFormerEmployee) { showFullData = false; }John M. Wright ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John M. Wright
Confirmed it looks the same in Chrome on iOS as well, even though the emulator on Chrome desktop does not cut things off. :( — John M. Wright ♦ 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
@KarlKnechtel: Am I correctly understand that you suggest people who just search on SO to create a MCVE? But such requirement doesn't look reasonable. If I face with a strange error message, then my first step is to search for it. If that search gives me a perfect hit, then ... it is great! If that search gives me hundreds of questions, I could read several of them for get some understanding of the error and things which could affect on it. Only with that all understanding I could be able to reduce my code to MCVE. (Or I could try to search key things in my complete code). — Tsyvarev 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
No; I'm saying that the question we're talking about should be edited to include an MCVE so that people who search for it, can see the setup in the question. Even if they didn't identify the setup properly themselves, they can recognize it. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
 
3:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeo Hepperle
@Gimby Okay I'll be more careful how to articulate it in the future. However it's most telling that these people didn't really read and understand the content of the question, and did not think about any solutions. — Tadeo Hepperle 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WhatsThePoint
@holydragon because the suggested edit was not complete you should have either clicked improve or reject, don't accept incomplete edits — WhatsThePoint 54 secs ago
 
3:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris
The reason why SO is so great is reputation. Users accumulate reputation by producing worthy answers over many years with great attention to detail, a stringent acceptance process and often 1000s of hours of applied knowledge behind great answers. A high reputation user is almost always right. OTOH, ChatGPT integration would shunt almost-always-wrong answers with zero correlation to reputation to the front of the stack, in the user's face. This lack of human QA is a violation of ML technique and SO standards. Why should we adopt it? Because it is "AI" and that is cool? — Chris 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dialecticus
@Chris, it seems to me that you, as some others, did not read my proposal carefully. I proposed that the SO itself offers a suggestion from ChatGPT BEFORE the OP publishes the question. We have these suggestions already, and they are mostly useless to me. Again, BEFORE the OP publishes the question. Suggestion offered by SO itself. — Dialecticus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roland
Ultimately, it will be a task for an AI to detect if a human or a AI or bot is typing answers. — Roland 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris
@Dialecticus and that is exactly what I am addressing. The user's face is presented with an unfiltered attempt at an answer by a user (ChatGPT) that is almost always wrong. This "short circuits" the reputation driven Q-and-A process, as I have stated. — Chris 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dialecticus
Current suggestions that are presented to my face are already useless. I have no use of Q-and-A process, if I am presented with something useless. those suggestions could be useful to somebody else. Answers from ChatGPT also could be useful. I use it in my work, trying there when I get nothing from Google & SO. And sometimes it is useful, where Google & SO were not. — Dialecticus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Presenting users who are having trouble interpreting code with an answer that likely looks correct but could be wrong/dangerous without an opportunity for an expert to review said answer is dangerous. It can reinforce bad practices, suggest vulnerabilities, create an X/Y situation, etc — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris
@Dialecticus all of those answers, even if they are "useless", have nonetheless been produced via the natural process of asking an SO question and accepting and upvoting answers that actually worked. That is a scientific process with high human-in-the-loop quality reassurances and reproducible results which is now getting short circuited. — Chris 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dialecticus
Fine, we can have humans in the loop. Let ChatGPT offers only already available answers from SE sites. The AI is better at recognizing what the OP wants to say than SO search engine, that only looks tries to match words, with sometimes rather comical effects. AI can even say something like "it is unclear what you're trying to do, could you please add more context". This would also help a lot. — Dialecticus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris
@Dialecticus so what you want is a better search engine. That is a fundamentally different problem and solution set than ChatGPT seeks to solve. — Chris 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dialecticus
ChatGPT is that already. Google announced their take will come online in a few weeks. — Dialecticus 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris
@Dialecticus So what you are proposing is to use ChatGPT to search regular stack overflow answers and provide a better list, rather than suggesting we use ChatGPT to generate an answer? — Chris just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dialecticus
Originally I proposed that ChatGPT generates an answer that would be just one among all other proposed answers (could be more or less useful; it's would be gamble, as it already is). People say it's dangerous. I don't see that danger. Would lives be in danger? What is the worst that could happen? Some could would not work? So, now I am changing my proposal. It is amusing to me that people do not want to adopt something the obviously looks unavoidable anyway. — Dialecticus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris
@Dialecticus perhaps there can be a "roll the dice" mechanism where ChatGPT does its non-deterministic thing and produces a different collection of viable duplicates / answers every time. You can peruse them. But all Questions and Answers presented are human generated via normal SO operation. Good compromise? — Chris 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris
@Dialecticus the reason being that there is an implicit proof of work in a human questioner accepting an answer that worked for them when they tried it. ChatGPT can be trained on all questions and answers, and only provides pointers to the accepted answers to questions semantically similar to the user's, rather than non-deterministically generating garbage. — Chris just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dialecticus
We should try all adoption strategies that the community agrees on. IT can get better over time. It can become useful. AI can combine answers. Something like "Try this answers, but beware of dangers described in this answer", or tell the user "please specify the framework, because the answer depends on it". ChatGPT is just a tool that we can use however we want. — Dialecticus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris
@Dialecticus agree, might want to flag for moderator attention, since this question is important (needed to be asked), you can't delete it now, and it will drive your rep to zero. — Chris 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Salmon_of_Wisdom
@CodyGray Nope! Some of the experiments in the Initiative will run for short intervals, the space of a few days. — Salmon_of_Wisdom ♦ 1 min ago
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris
@Dialecticus cool, was looking like you were going to be a martyr. — Chris 1 min ago
 
4:56 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SpencerG
This should be fixed now. Not seeing the auto-scroll behavior any longer. — SpencerG ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SpencerG
Product was sunset so putting a status-declined tag here. — SpencerG ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Philippe: None of that speaks to anything about what caused the trust to be lost to begin with, nor does it really confront the painful elephant in the room around how Meta users are perceived when giving feedback. But again, I'm hearing that you're doing "something" and I'm just disagreeing with the notion that this "something" is going to actually manifest in any trust rebuilt with the community at large. — Makoto 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
Sorry for misunderstanding (my English is not so good), now I get your point. I updated my answer with my thoughts why MCVE doesn't help in recognition. During that update I have improved my understanding: It is not MCVE but relevant code which helps a person, who searches, to recognize their problem in the question post. But "relevance" should be measured before reading the answer. May be, I will further edit my answer and put "relevance" aspects closer to the beginning of the post. — Tsyvarev 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "just go, answer their questions": Like a help desk or ticket system? It has already happened in the homework tags. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "just go, answer their questions": Like a help desk or ticket system? It has already happened in the homework tags. It would be better with a human search engine on top of (separated from) a non-redundant knowledge base (Stack Overflow). Using a search engine is already almost completely broken due to in part the massive duplication on Stack Overflow. — Peter Mortensen just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"many questions have similar or identical answers but are not duplicates." This seems to contradict other advice I've seen on Meta about criteria for identifying dupes. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I think the idea is fine, but it should instead by tiered by the type of requirements imposed to maintain top quality. E.g. at the top level, only questions that are either migrated by gold-badge holders from the second-top level, or written and self-answered by same. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
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6:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave Newton
(I'd add Forth and Smalltalk to the "most valuable to learn". Among the oldest reasonable languages, still my favorites, and I regret Java won the language war in the early 90s. If Lisp hadn't fragmented and Smalltalk had had the same VM love Java has gotten...) — Dave Newton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
On the issue of trust... Sending what amounts to PR reps out to explain to the community exactly what is going to happen to them is a really poor read of the room. Stack Overflow is a community of developers. We all understand the actual nuts and bolts of these operations, and we do better discussing tangible aspects of implementation rather than fanciful descriptions of other people's work. Coming here and saying "I have a background managing communities so trust me, this is going to work" is a rather absurd way to build trust. It comes across as very disingenuous. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
It seems like ChatGPT has entered the suggested edit queue. Now we see complete rewrites of entire paragraphs and of entire code blocks. It is like they prompt ChatGPT with "ChatGPT, how can this paragraph be improved?" or "ChatGPT, how can this code be improved?" — Peter Mortensen 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
It is also very hard to buy into the notion of a "massive investment in the community team" when we all witnessed what happened to the core group of community leadership that we all actually did trust. That group was also composed of people who actually made things, as opposed to just talking about which things were made. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
It seems like ChatGPT has entered the suggested edit queue. Now we see complete rewrites of entire paragraphs and of entire code blocks. It is like they prompt ChatGPT with "ChatGPT, how can this paragraph be improved?" or "ChatGPT, how can this code be simplified?". A sample (that is not only one). It might be OK if they check the result, but the suspicion is that they don't. — Peter Mortensen 14 secs ago
 
7:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skinnedknuckles
I suspect the q-ban algorithm has a good memory because some of the downvoted questions (which were deleted) that likely contributied to my q-ban are from 9 years back. Although to be fair I haven't added many questions since then. — skinnedknuckles 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skinnedknuckles
I suspect the q-ban algorithm has a good memory because some of the downvoted questions (which were deleted) that likely contributied to my q-ban are from 9 years back. Although to be fair I haven't added many questions since then. — skinnedknuckles 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skinnedknuckles
I suspect the q-ban algorithm has a good memory because some of the downvoted questions (which were deleted) that likely contributied to my q-ban are from 9 years back. Although to be fair I haven't added many questions since then. — skinnedknuckles 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skinnedknuckles
I suspect the q-ban algorithm has a good memory because some of the downvoted questions (which were deleted) that likely contributied to my q-ban are from 9 years back. Although to be fair I haven't added many questions since then. — skinnedknuckles 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skinnedknuckles
I suspect the q-ban algorithm has a good memory because some of the downvoted questions (which were deleted) that likely contributied to my q-ban are from 9 years back. Although to be fair I haven't added many questions since then. — skinnedknuckles 1 min ago
 
 
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8:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SpencerG
Afraid this won't be something we will be pursuing, given the overall small impact here. — SpencerG ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SpencerG
Pulling the tag off here since the developer story has been sunset. — SpencerG ♦ 1 min ago
 
9:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Your answer is the kind of answer & answering situation that the "highly active question" minimal reputation requirement is trying to block. It worked. — philipxy just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
 
9:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
I don't disagree with your position, but... what did this really add to the discussion here on top of YungDeiza's answer and cottontail's answer? Reading and voting are just as valid ways to voice yourself than writing an answer post, and I'd say preferable in the case that nothing new is added to existing discussion. — user 1 min ago
 
10:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it's easier to just post another answer rather than read 76 others — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
10:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Yes-yes-yes...!, after 3.5 years in "status-review", we finally got that missing Comma. a bit of a useless Edit, I would think, @SpencerG... // Maybe more useful would be to edit out the Ref to "Stack Overflow Jobs", or can we still hope for Capitals on "What is a fake Job Listing?"...? :wink: — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
You might as well incorporate that comment into your answer. — Andrew Morton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
@JohnMontgomery Would you be so kind as to provide a proof for your comment "for some reason the preview and actual output use different markdown renderers"? That should clinch it for SO needing to do something which is shown as an exact works/fails. — Andrew Morton 33 secs ago
 
11:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Here is an example I stumbled upon today. I don't particularly look out for plagiarism, and it took a while to dissect the case; another user's comment about missing attribution set it off. The plagiarism is a little bit more sophisticated: It has both text and code (thus does not look like a code dump), but both are plagiarised. The text is from another answer to the same question and the code from somewhere on the Internet. The answer is likely totally bogus. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
cont' - Still the answer managed to get five upvotes. — Peter Mortensen 17 secs ago
 
11:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
@DavidArenburg The selection listed above was somewhat random. This is the full list of tags we propose to include, though the list of tags is one of the first topics of discussion with the pre-launch group. — Berthold ♦ 47 secs ago
 
11:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Is the privilege of keeping the lights on the only thing we're getting out of it, or the most obvious? I maintain that I had already deduced this with my original story. From my onlooker perspective, I could say that keeping the lights on could be accomplished with more aggressive ads or even more time spent with the Stack Overflow Jobs product. Neither of those needed to introduce a model of content creation that is so alien to Q&A that no one really knows how to moderate (with a lot of the heavy lifting done by diamond mods). — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I won't deny the use of "we" here since, y'know, that's how I normally speak. I don't intend to presume to speak for everyone; folks are free to form their own opinions or post their own opinions. But even still I do sense a pulse around the community about this that suggests that I'm not really alone in this perception. — Makoto 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
On the point of joining a collective - my biggest concern is that my content would suddenly and magically appear under a collective, supposing that one day Spring decided to come to town and lo! my answers are now a part of the Spring Collective, even if I didn't want them to be. In practice I would imagine that it's highly impractical to ask consent from everyone who's posted an answer or question ever to see if they'd want to be in a collective, so it'd be opt-out rather than opt-in. — Makoto 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
You're probably right about "not valuable for you doesn't mean it's not valuable for someone else", but we could fit the someone elses into a WeWork space at this point. This is the cyclic frustration - yes, someone's going to find value in this, but it comes at a cost of tearing up a lot of ground that the company laid originally around Q&A, a systemic unease around interacting with this from long-term veterans of the site, and the pervasive "this is good for us" mentality that keeps cropping up here. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I've yet to see anyone who finds value in Collectives. Do you have references for that? "Others let us know by their interactions and continued efforts." is really not a valid interpretation. It could just mean people keep trying and end being disappointed (like me). — Cody Gray ♦ 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
All of that to say, thank you for responding to my concerns, but I don't feel that it's fair to just stop there with "yes, we keep the lights on". A lot of things could keep the lights on, and I mean at least I tried to get value out of Stack Overflow Jobs in the past. The communities around technologies have already organically formed and can already share knowledge freely, and I have yet to really grasp what precisely the value add for Collectives is meant to bring. That might be the better thing to elaborate on? — Makoto 17 secs ago
 

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