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12:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus Not possible to use a VPN in my setup. — forest 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
You can use tor, but you can't use a VPN? — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus Yes. Using a VPN would require incompatible changes to a very complex setup. I mean, it would be physically possible, but it would be a whole lot easy just to use a SOCKS proxy after Tor at that point. — forest 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
And how about just not using either? Or filling in the survey from a smartphone / tablet? I mean, using Tor is a choice that is bound to have consequences... Can't really blame a website for blocking that. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus Can't do that. I use Tor for anonymity so not using it would kind of defeat the purpose. If this was just a random website, I'd shrug it off, but it's the official survey from Stack Overflow, which itself allows Tor (and even has an official Tor.SE). — forest 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
You're that worried about anonymity, but you're complaining you can't fill out a survey? — Cerbrus 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus I fail to see what's wrong with that. SE has a Tor.SE after all and there are many, many Tor users on this site. Why should they be out of luck for a survey that's supposed to get a representative sample of users? — forest 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Then just install a different browser, enter privacy mode and use it only to fill in that survey. Heck, add a VPN/proxy in between if you really want to. Then your privacy is secured. — Cerbrus 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus My post is more about Tor users in general. The reason I personally dismiss these alternatives is because I have a very specific, niche setup due to my job. Would it be better if I edited my post to make it more clear that I'm using myself as an example of problems that Tor users may face? — forest 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
And you just dismiss every alternative I suggest. Heck, get on a friend's laptop if you're that worried. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus If you'd like me to go into detail as to why the alternatives don't work for me, I can do so, but I don't think that's really the point. — forest 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Your question literally asked for "a way around this, or are Tor users simply out of luck?" I provided you with a way around it. That you don't like any of the alternatives isn't my problem, nor is it SE's problem. — Cerbrus 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus Many Tor users are living in countries where VPNs are difficult to use. I'm not one of them, but they are users of the site. — forest 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Then just use a darn smartphone to fill out the survey. It's not that difficult. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus Again, I'm talking primarily about other people. You realize that in some countries, you can't just get a smartphone to bypass IP restrictions because the national internet is censored, right? People in those countries are the primary users of Tor. I use it for anonymity, but they can't just "use a private browser" or get on a cell phone because they use it to be able to access the wider internet. — forest 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
A national firewall is not something SE can be blamed for, nor is it something SE can fix. Again, you're dismissing alternatives I'm providing for irrelevant reasons. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus OK, tell me then how a person in a country where they can't just use a smartphone to connect without censorship or monitoring is able to benefit from your advice? — forest 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
If your only way to access the internet is through Tor, then you're out of luck. But I honestly don't believe that there are users that require Tor to be able to access SE, seeing how compromised Tor is nowadays. If you use Tor for privacy reasons, there are plenty of alternatives. You're just throwing around what-if scenario's, forest. — Cerbrus 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus I am not throwing around what-if scenarios. There are many, many people in the world who use Tor because it's the only way to access most of the internet. Whether or not you believe that is irrelevant (nor is whether its anonymity is "compromised", since most people use it for censorship resistance, not to hide from the NSA). — forest 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus Yeah some people are able to use VPNs. The point of Tor is that, once one VPN is blocked, you aren't stuck without good internet access while you try to find a new one (and potentially a honeypot). — forest 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Forget it, this is a waste of time. I suggested an alternative to you asking for an alternative for you not being able to access it.. If you don't want to use it, that's your choice. — Cerbrus 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
@Cerbrus The alternative for me would be to use proxychains with a SOCKS proxy at the end. I mentioned that already. — forest 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I answered your question. I'm not going into an endless debate. — Cerbrus 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forest
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joshua
@Slate: I advise testing on Meta because no rep. — Joshua 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by richardec
@PeterJ I'm sorry about all this! I didn't mean to use your account as a test - I was actually asking you something and in doing so I also upvoted. Twice ;) — richardec 1 min ago
 
1:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Such feature exists, it is called "duplicate". — Tom 43 secs ago
 
 
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2:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@FrédéricHamidi since such questions should be closed anyway, it isn't useful to tag them, and it only serves to complain about the low quality of the question. While help vampirism should be called out, put-downs are counter-productive. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
 
 
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6:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
An iterator contains a pointer, therefore nullptr can never be an iterator. — Martin Zeitler 1 min ago
 
 
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8:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Close as a duplicate and vote to delete. Why is it not enough? — Dharman ♦ 33 secs ago
 
8:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
This feels like an invitation for argument: [stackoverflow.com/help/… you see a question closed as a duplicate but don't agree that it truly is a duplicate) — mickmackusa 36 secs ago
 
9:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Can you clarify what exactly you are proposing? If the questions are about the same programming problem - in this case just solving the homework task - the duplicate mechanism seems to apply. If they just have the same context but try to solve different problems - why should that be categorized? — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
 
 
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11:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Onboarding is corporate jargon (but is becoming more common). Wikipedia has an article about it. — Peter Mortensen 9 secs ago
 
11:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
".../question?..." (x2) in your URLs yields a "Page not found" Error, correct URL is with ".../questions?..."... — chivracq 40 secs ago
 
11:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Justin
@chivracq: Oops! Must have removed the s while editing. Thanks! — Justin 1 min ago
 
11:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by trlkly
@DanielA.White Google can index within the 5 minutes or so that the post would be up without creating a revision? I've always known Google to take longer than that to notice a page change. — trlkly 1 min ago
 
12:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Smith
What's the motivation for this? Is this so the preview text on /questions looks un spammy? — Martin Smith 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
@PeterMortensen gold, thanks ;) — Caius Jard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
Homework really should have its own site — Caius Jard 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel A. White
@MartinSmith one hunch I have is that they might want to harm our moderation stats so that less people have power to do something? — Daniel A. White 36 secs ago
 
1:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Goswin von Brederlow
The questions aren't always about the same problem as they are usually many steps to complete the homework. So one question might be about converting a bool to string, the next about how to loop across a matrix and mutate it. So they aren't duplicates but they are closely related. — Goswin von Brederlow 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobC
There are so many land mines to be mindful of when participating in Review Queues. — RobC 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobC
To avoid suspension from Review Queues there are so many land mines to be mindful of. One misjudgement and you’re suspended. — RobC 22 secs ago
 
2:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
The survey is opened not only for users with SO accounts (thus they can't be linked to anything), though they can enter their own profile to receive the Census badge. However, the publicized full data set are completely anonymous, and that's what the statement means. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
But if you didn't get suspended then you wouldn't know that you made a misjudgement? — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
2:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nuno
Thank you. I understand what the sentence means. What I want to know is if they store any information together with the results, that can link to my account, such as IP address or use the cookie to store my account ID if it matches any logged in account. — Nuno 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Re "You may end up downvoted into oblivion just because you added your answer a few seconds after the first one.", I'm a little surprised to hear that. If an answer is correct, and was actually posted at roughly the same time as another, I've not seen them get downvoted. Do you have an example of this? Correct answers (even to duplicates) are treated quite generously in the C++ tag in my experience. — cigien 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
It's a popular language — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Not sure about that, though the survey is hosted on Qualtrics, not on Stack Overflow's own site. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Re: the edit, your question looks like asking 2 different questions and can be considered "not focused". It's recommended to post a new meta question for the 2nd question. — Andrew T. 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobC
@NickstandswithUkraine - yes, that’s one way to find out. It would be better if the dos and don'ts of what is/isn’t acceptable in Review Queues was documented somewhere - then informed judgements could be made. — RobC 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
What is the advantage in marking that relation explicitly? From a "do your own homework (because that's what it's for)" standpoint, not telling folks that we have all the other steps covered for them already seems prudent. From a "we just collect generally useful knowledge" standpoint, only sticking to the same homework context actually feels restrictive, TBH. — MisterMiyagi 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The Dreams Wind
@cigien well, i usually just remove such answers, however there was a question with -7 score just because it's a duplicate. I decided to keep it because i've had hard time to find the duplicated answer, but it was already removed by mods, i believe (i could not find it in my history). — The Dreams Wind 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The Dreams Wind
@Dharman isn't the same true for Java or JavaScript? — The Dreams Wind 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
I'm a little confused about whether you're referring to questions, or answers. For questions, that's true, if they're obvious duplicates they can get a lot of downvotes (especially if the question appears to be lazily asked). Your post suggests that answers get a lot of downvotes, which is what I'm asking about. BTW, you can see all your own deleted content. You have to scroll to the bottom of the "view all answers" page, and there's an option to see deleted answers there (ditto for questions). — cigien just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Goswin von Brederlow
The homework part is just an example. The point is that the questions, while different, share a common bigger problem. There could equally be a group for implementing tic-tac-toe, which actually is a tag used 1388 times. I'm just not sure a "orange-knight" tag would be appropriate. — Goswin von Brederlow 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
What happens if the issue is not relevant to 2 or 3? ie. I remove the tags from the question to a generic one. — Braiam 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The answers to this question already exist on Stack Overflow. Any basic question has already been asked (after nearly 14 years and 764,478 C++ questions). It is better to find the duplicates than answer (indicate them in comments and/or vote to close if able). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
3:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The last 8-9 (visible) posts are all answers (last question on 2022-04-10), so presumably it is about the reception of answers. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The Dreams Wind
@cigien thanks, didn't know that. Here is the last one - stackoverflow.com/a/72248567/5690248 , and the question which is not that-obvious-duplicate to me - stackoverflow.com/questions/71806897/… I understand, though, that the same answers don't need to co-exist or duplicated questions are just garbage, but i belive the same is applicable to any tag, not just c++, while the moderation is not that strict there — The Dreams Wind 1 min ago
 
3:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Correction: I just finished the survey, and for the badge, you don't need to enter the profile manually (I was confused with other sites' surveys), the survey redirects to the SO page and it recognizes your user directly. Also, it says: "If you choose to accept the Census badge, it will indicate that you took the survey. It will NOT link any of your survey answers to your account in any way." — Andrew T. 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
I'm afraid the question is in fact an obvious duplicate. By obvious I mean that any active user in the C++ tag would recognize instantly that the question has been asked in multiple ways many times over (see the long list of questions linked from the duplicate targets), not necessarily that it's obvious to someone not familiar with the language, or questions previously asked on SO. As to the answer, it's not particularly high quality (and the "declaration of a variable implies its definition" bit isn't even right), so I would say -2 is not unreasonable for such an answer. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
The guidance on duplicate closure is pretty clear on that part: do questions have the same solution? Yes -> duplicate closure. No -> leave open. As for the "grouping" part, we are not a repository of solutions to homework assignments, but of knowledge. Knowledge is not categorised in assignments. Hence, any such grouping is not in alignment with our primary goal. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
In your selected currency. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
3:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "...a text based table is preferable over an image based one": Not only that - Why not upload images of code/errors when asking a question? - for example (my emphasis), "Images should only be used to illustrate problems that can't be made clear in any other way, such as to provide screenshots of a user interface.") — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
Good point, and in 2022 I think the case for adding Python 3 versions of answers (where this is a straightforward change to the syntax or the name of a built-in function) is stronger than it was in 2017. That said, to be strictly fair, we don't know how many upvotes the answer would have gotten if the edits hadn't been made, and "the answer was upvoted since I edited it" doesn't generally exempt an edit from following the rules (such as not changing the original author's intent). — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
 
4:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobC
@PeterMortensen - agreed. However, apparently (as per the accepted answer in the duplicate post) replacing a table image with a Markdown table may “... introduce errors”, and “Might not replicate original code”. (Neither applicable to Review 31768292). It’s getting so difficult to make informed judgements when reviewing because of such conflicting/lack-of guidelines. What rules apply has become a guessing game. — RobC 1 min ago
 
 
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5:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Reminds me of back then in 2015 when a single user could dump someone's rep using this method... — Andrew T. 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Recent events have shown the process for casting and processing votes are likely semi-separate. This also applies to flags. Simply put, if the site died at just the right time, it wouldn't surprise me if the process in charge of actually closing the question was halted before it had a chance to do its thing, resulting in four votes to close. The downtime was likely caused by the recurring DDoS attacks, so this does seem like a plausible explanation — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Reminds me of this bug back then in 2015 when a single user could dump someone's rep using this method... — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
unfortunately, we're also talking about timing around the range of milliseconds or below, so given SE's design approach to vote management and processing, as well as the fact that flag race conditions having been a thing for years (or so I've been told), I highly doubt this is fixable. — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@kaya3 More important is that there's no downvotes, so at least the value was not decreased, which is what people are always worried about. In other words, at worse the edit did nothing (presuming it would have gotten the upvotes either way). — Braiam 1 min ago
 
6:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
I think there's a difference between editing to demonstrate an alternative over editing to change to contemporary usage. I wouldn't object too much to edits along the lines of "xrange was the Python2 way, nowadays we use range". I would be unhappy with edits that simply changed xrange to range in a code block without comment and would regard edits that changed print x to print(x) as not offering any improvement. — snakecharmerb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
@ZoestandswithUkraine I thought the SO db was not distributed, so I don't see why the process of incrementing a close vote and if necessary closing a question would not be atomic. But of course, there are always reasons why theory and practice might diverge :-( — snakecharmerb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Hi Veraaa, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — Andrew T. 30 secs ago
 
 
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8:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ray
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
I don't understand the logic here either. I'm also not privy to the details of how the system works (obviously; I'm a mod, not an employee), but my own observations seem to indicate the lack of atomic, and more importantly synchronized operations. like, when an answer is deleted while a flag is being cast, if it's registered after the process that clears any currently active flags, it's left on the post. Since a CM could clear the duplicate votes, that indicates an equivalent mismatch between the process of casting, and the process of dupe detecting and invalidating. — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Silvio Mayolo
The public statements StackOverflow has given on this seem pretty clear: No data from your SO account is linked to the survey. If you choose to, you may opt to accept the census badge, which links only the fact that you've taken the survey to your account and no other data. — Silvio Mayolo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Equivalently, here, there's a mismatch between the process of casting a vote, and the process of actually closing the post. It's weird, and I don't understand the design well enough to explain why there's a mismatch. I may also be using the wrong terminology here, but again, this is just a best effort guess as to why casting a vote doesn't properly cast a vote, and atomically triggering side-effects, or why casting a flag that moments later is invalid for that post isn't better handled. — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 54 secs ago
 
8:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
The tag usage says it's supposed to be about the POSIX write(int fd, void *buf, size_t len) system call, and has said that since a month after tag creation in Oct 2020 (stackoverflow.com/posts/64310036/revisions), surprisingly after this meta question was posted. I guess it got untagged at the time and then re-created, hence lack of mention of that meaning in the question and comments? That's not something we really need a tag for anyway, and will get mis-tagged as a common English word, so +1 it doesn't add information. — Peter Cordes 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@JosephSible-ReinstateMonica: Do we need a tag about the write(2) system call? I'd guess most of what makes it interesting is what kind of file you're writing to, most of which would also apply to pwrite(2) (on seekable files) or writev(2) (gather IO). OTOH, it could be hard to search for questions about using it if "write" just appears in the text, since it's a common English word that appears in 2.5 million SO posts, very few of them about Linux / POSIX write. — Peter Cordes 35 secs ago
 
8:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@snakecharmerb I will be unhappy with having bad information on the site. — Braiam 1 min ago
 
9:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Reinking
@PeterCordes - perhaps posix-write would be a better name for such a tag? — Alex Reinking 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Wouldn't that kinda be covered by a general POSIX tag? Like posix or linux, depending on the context — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@ZoestandswithUkraine: I'd tend to agree; write itself is fairly simple, what makes it interesting is what kind of file descriptor you're reading/writing (e.g. a TTY, or one opened with O_APPEND so writes go to the end even after lseek). Perhaps a better tag would cover POSIX I/O with unistd.h functions in general, like read and write. The one argument I could see for having a tag like posix-write is that if you do have a question specific to it (e.g. what happens if length is past the end of a page in buf, or size limits), it's hard to search because 2.5M questions have writePeter Cordes 52 secs ago
 
9:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by General Grievance
@ZoestandswithUkraine Yeah, I made that comment before I ever got involved in any serious burnination process or really knew what that involved. Definitely makes a lot more sense now that I've helped out with a couple. — General Grievance 1 min ago
 
10:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Isaiah
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I don't see why it's necessarily a bad thing to gain curation privileges with this idea... when this process (at least in theory) awards people for helping curate the site. — Isaiah 1 min ago
 
10:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
It's not a bad idea to get privileges through this, @Isaiah, and, actually, that's what I've been campaigning for lately - unlocking privileges by taking meaningful actions and progression-based rewards in general as opposed to passive accumulation of points. Using rep to measure experience also seemed like a good idea in theory, but in practice it is a total disaster. I am only against digging the grave further by tying in yet another reputation source to the system. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 9 secs ago
 
10:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
Not yet mentioned but related read-writebad_coder 49 secs ago
 

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