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12:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ollie
Oh yes, this'll make them cross. clapsOllie just now
 
 
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1:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Side note: you may want to re-read guidance on editing posts - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/270775/…. — Alexei Levenkov 10 secs ago
 
2:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Looks like you need a hint to answer that question? :P — Tom 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Sounds like a good basis for a synonym-requestOleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
 
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4:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Looking at the oldest question tagged with them, looks like both 'hint' and 'hints' were intended for DB/SQL-related, while 'code-hinting`' was related to IDE functionality. — Andrew T. 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JK.
Its really not your fault, if only this was documented somewhere that you could have read, then you would have already known about it in advance. Oh wait, it was... — JK. 1 min ago
 
4:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
If you've taken the time to read the tour (and you haven't, judging by the lack of the corresponding badge), you'd known there is a privilege system. If you were then to click on the link, you'd known you can't comment on other questions until you get 50 rep. Finally, you'd also known that we are a question and answer site, and not a forum: we need questions and answers, not comments. If the "useful comment" is substantial enough, you can always submit an answer. It also takes [1/2] — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
[2/2] a measly 5 posts (again, answers or questions) with a single upvote to earn the privilege to comment everywhere. Or 2 accepted answers with 1 upvote each. Or 1 with 5 votes. Or 1 accepted with 3 upvotes and 2 approved suggested edits. The list goes on. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Also, do take the time to read the MSE canonical on how comments work on the network: How do comments work?. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 28 secs ago
 
 
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6:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
This kind of status update is usually something staff does... — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
7:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lino
Are duplicates also deleted? I.e. can I dupe hammer questions but leave the tag? And are questions deleted regardless if they have positivley scored answers — Lino 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@OlegValteriswithUkraine do note the question is protected. The OP needs 10 rep if they want to (quoting your comment) always submit an answer. — rene 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Amin Shojaei
the link is broken — Amin Shojaei 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
No, the link is working fine, @AminShojaei. Maybe you're affected by Qualtric's regional blocks — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
8:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Yes to all three questions. Exceptions always apply, and that's assessed on a per-case basis when deletion is considered. — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
 
8:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Comments are easily abused, so that is why you need to gain a little "site experience" before you are allowed to use them. Case in point: I wanted to add a comment, since I had found an optional way to solve an Eclipse/Ant issue which had NOT yet been reported, but this site says "you must have a reputation of 50 to comment". -> you were going to post an answer as a comment, which is wrong. — Gimby 57 secs ago
 
8:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I don't like to call it a penalty, it's a personal investment. One you might get back if things turn out as intended (the content ends up being deleted, or edited so you can retract the vote). — Gimby 6 secs ago
 
9:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nuno
@SilvioMayolo I don't see how "anonymized results of the survey will be made publicly available" clearly says that "they don't store any information together with the results INTERNALLY, that can link to my account, such as IP address or use the cookie to store my account ID if it matches any logged in account" — Nuno 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
If your TL;DR needs a TL;DR, that's a red flag ;) — Gimby 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
This sounds more like a question for code review. — Gimby 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@Gimby Ha! You made me laugh at myself. Thank you. — Jesse Steele 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
In truth, it's a little wordy, but it is essentially a complaint, but I don't have bad vibes about it, and I really want all of us to laugh a little and be friends. — Jesse Steele 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
PeterJ's sacrifice has a valuable outcome though. It all reminds us to keep thinking before doing. — Gimby 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
"Could someone please change the dup-close instructions so they say "edit your question" instead of "ask a new one"?" - we've been complaining about this for a while now. I cannot comprehend why they thought adding that was a good idea when all the advice says otherwise. Hell, there's an (official; i.e. written by SE and provided as a part of the stock mod UI) mod message template for re-posting closed questions. The few times I've gotten replies to those, there's a disproportionate amount that say they did it because the close message told them to — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"Could someone please change the dup-close instructions so they say "edit your question" instead of "ask a new one"?" we've asked this of SE literally since the day they announced this was coming. Then after they released the change. And it was repeated few more times, later too. — VLAZ 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
For discussion on performance questions: What makes a "good" performance question on SO?. Couldn't find a discussion for readability on MSO, except about the tagging issue. — Andrew T. 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
The operating advice remains "don't re-post closed questions", though, so that bit of text is just wrong, and remains a problem in spite of it having been pointed out a number of times — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I am having a really hard time figuring out just what your questions are about – both this meta one as well as the ones on main. Could you try and shorten them to the core message? — MisterMiyagi 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@MisterMiyagi Okay. I'll cut some out, but I want to stay cheery and light-hearted. :-) — Jesse Steele 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@ZoestandswithUkraine An Answer is welcome. — Jesse Steele 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Well, Could someone please change the dup-close instructions so they say "edit your question" instead of "ask a new one" It used to be way worse: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/394552/… .... — rene 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zilog80
Maybe a personal CSS overwriting some SO class styles ? — Zilog80 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
FYI, this type of spam has been known since at least 2018 (requires Charcoal team access). — gparyani 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@rene Glad to have improved. Just telling where we are now. And, I'm not all upset about it. I'm giggling to myself, if anyone wanted to know. — Jesse Steele 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Well the synchronous event did happen because after the downtime three votes were cast and the question was closed, as expected. It is just that the one close vote that happened before the downtime is treated as if it did not happen with respect to the closure procedure. The signs of a complex system with many business rules. — Gimby 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"Most-likely dup Questions don't show up in the suggestions while writing a new Question, only in the review queue after." 1. You're supposed to search for duplicates before you start writing a question. The suggestions on the Ask page are the last resort. 2. Duplicate suggestions don't really show anywhere. There is the "related" section on the right side of a question but it's rarely useful. It's users who go and find the duplicates and link them. 3. Even then it's still acceptable that you didn't find a duplicate. — VLAZ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"The questions are really related but they are still different" - irrelevant. Duplicate closure is done when an answer already exists elsewhere, the same answer can work for any number of questions. If you want to argue a duplicate closure is not valid, reason from the answers. — Gimby 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@VLAZ I do search. The best way to find some Answers is to get closed as dup, then the Answer magically comes out of the woodwork. The new system rolling out should solve a lot of this. But, those close instructions sure "duped" us all. — Jesse Steele 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@JesseSteele - You are aware that the duplicate was listed as a relevant question, which was most definitely displayed to you before you submitted your question. — Security Hound 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I would recommend to rethink all constraints: Not using loops seems pretty arbitrary, is ill-defined (Is a comprehension a loop? Does the internal loop of map count?), and you even accepted an answer that uses a loop. Optimising performance is rather arbitrary when the use-case is not well-defined – what versions are you targeting, how large is the data, what is the common or worst case, ...? The readability part is dubious because that is pure opinion. Ideally, you wouldn't have any such constraints but merely ask a "How to flatten a nested, jagged list"? — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@SecurityHound It most definitely wasn't. It never is. That's the headscratcher. — Jesse Steele 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@JesseSteele - 11+ years using Stack Exchange communities, and in my experience, every single time the relevant questions are always displayed to the user when submitting a question. — Security Hound 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
I have some problems with the "commonly used by programmers", the old "primarily used by programmers" better covers it, because otherwise you get into those nice arguments like "as a developer, I commonly use a computer, so all computer questions are on-topic". — Mark Rotteveel 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@SecurityHound Alright, "every single time"... So, let it be with Caesar. Then, the dup-original is buried in a tl;dr list while writing, just like my post here was. Then, after posting, it magically floats to the top for everyone to find. Maybe the new, coming system is the only way to solve that. But, I'm not all wet; I'm patient. And, we call can be a little more of one and a little less of the other. — Jesse Steele 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
"That second comment links to my own question" - the system does allow using the OP's own posts as duplicate targets even if they're unanswered. Unfortunately it still uses the default canned comment, which isn't so helpful in those cases. — jonrsharpe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@jonrsharpe Thanks for your edits. And, I thought as much. But, there is no way a question about "grep" could possibly be a dup about "GLOB not grep". Rush job reviewing, probably only reading titles. We got a problem there. — Jesse Steele 21 secs ago
 
10:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I am still confused why you insist the two questions aren't possibly duplicates. The initial question even explicitly says "This may not be an issue with grep, but with file globbing statements" and the second questions talks an awful lot about grep. That is not to say the two are duplicates, but it's certainly not obvious to me that they aren't and that failing to agree indicates a rush job. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
When did the help center change to commonly instead of primarily @MarkRotteveel ? I missed the memo, — Braiam 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by KNejad
Did anyone else read the title and assume that the "Server Fault" and "Super User" stack exchange sites were shutting down? — KNejad 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jinx
@MisterMiyagi I have updated the question again, removing the references to performance and readability (I understand the opinionated nature of those) and specifying a clear goal - not using explicit for loops, but using mapping and list comprehension. — jinx 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
@Braiam I don't know when it changed — Mark Rotteveel 9 secs ago
 
10:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@MisterMiyagi with all respect, you also didn't understand my post here. I have the same struggle with long readings sometimes. — Jesse Steele 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“I now know this is not the type of questions we are looking for on the forum“ - It’s also not actually a forum. A question should have an answer it shouldn’t lead to a discussion or opinion about a topic. — Security Hound 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@JesseSteele - So clarify your question by editing it instead of only telling other users they don’t understand your question — Security Hound 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lemon
Apparently it's exactly the same user that accepted the answer with me on the same review, thanks! — lemon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty safe duplicate :) — Nick stands with Ukraine 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@JesseSteele Well, yes, that's what I'm saying. I don't understand the points your post is making. You might want to make them easier to understand, or focus on just a one. — MisterMiyagi 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lemon
Yes, I was just reading it as the duplicate reference to the Robc post. I've been suspended too, although I thought to be reviewing with attention and purpose. Is there a reference guide of golden rules for reviewing on SO? Or maybe some faqs to address most of the cases. @NickstandswithUkraine — lemon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@lemon Nope, just live and learn (unless you want to spend days on meta), accept mistakes and don't be disheartened. Accepting mistakes can also lead to moderators (if they notice that you've accepted and understood the mistake) reducing/removing review suspensions as well. — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I will give this an upvote, but while one buttock is still on the fence (and boy does that sting). I really like the idea that reviewing well gives you reputation. Reputation should reflect your "site experience" and it is kind of lopsided that this now comes from posting questions and providing answers only, reviewing well is a sign of Stack Overflow maturity which should reflect on you in some way. So should editing, for that matter... — Gimby 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
 
11:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
It's that darned interpretation again. NAA. What is that? Not An Answer? Not an Attempt to Answer? The latter is true, but then it is still ambiguous. Not an Attempt to Answer... THIS question? ANY question? Currently ANY question keeps being the victor... not because it is efficient (quite the contrary), but because there is a big hesitation to allow people to use the flag to just make whatever they don't like the look of to go up in smoke as soon as possible. — Gimby 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leftaroundabout
I'd remark that the notion of functor in Haskell, but also the one in (OCa)ML, stems from the perfectly established functors in category theory. It applies to any language that can abstract over simple category-theoretic concepts. By contrast, the function-object use of the term is rather obscure and seems to be only widespread in the C++ community. Granted, that's a big community, but I'd say this is still just a misnomer. I would base the functor tag on the category theory definition, which still includes OCaml. — leftaroundabout 20 secs ago
 
12:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Glorfindel
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
Wow that’s a bad title crop on the featured panel… I changed the title word order which should help focus more on the closure part. — Henry Ecker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"And these kind of questions(which require review) are asked many times." and many of the times they are asked, the questions don't fit on CR, either, so it's wrong to move them there. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@SecurityHound The speech about how to get along: "The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones; So let it be with Caesar." Shakespeare's Marc AntonyJesse Steele 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
I think it would be more confusing if the close dialogue and the help center used different terms than both using "commonly". However, I am not opposed to updating the help center and this reason to both use "primarily" if that's a more accurate term. — Henry Ecker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anoop Rana
@VLAZ I am not asking to move them. But only specify a reason while closing them. — Anoop Rana 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@PeterMortensen Thank you. — Jesse Steele 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
You're showing the migration reasons. If enough people vote for the same one, the question is migrated (moved) to the target site. So, yes if you could vote for CR, that would be a migration path for CR. Which would result in questions being moved there even if they aren't suitable, since many users would be picking this option without understanding it. — VLAZ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
An option for every community is impossible. Use a custom moderator flag. — Security Hound 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anoop Rana
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
With all respect: Q1 Ans: grep -r --include=GLOB, from man, obvious dup. Q2 Ans: set -o globstar; cat **/*.php ...which returns dup files (and we all know what we think of duplicates), thus doesn't work. These two Questions couldn't possibly be confused except by fast glancing. — Jesse Steele 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“Do I need to make thousands of useful comments…” - You only need one helpful contribution that receives 5 upvotes. Why do you want to submit a temporary comment? If you honestly have something completely original that is not covered by one of the 41 answers to that question you should submit a detailed complete answer otherwise, your comment, even it was submitted likely would be flag and quickly removed as not being necessary. Since the question is protected you will need a single contribution with a single upvote before you can answer it. Find a different question to answer. — Security Hound 58 secs ago
 
1:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anton_rh
@Gimby, unfortunately the answer from the "original" question doesn't work for my question. It just helps a little. — anton_rh 1 min ago
 
1:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@rene oh, the question as protected? always* then :) — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@KNejad I didn't but at a glance read it as: all community-specific close reasons are removed at those two communities. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
"Not about programming or software development". What's the difference? Those two terms are synonymous, far as I know. — Lundin 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
It wasn't a problem before if you consider that it's the combination of two statementBraiam 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
@Robc you can read "Might not replicate original code" as "Might not replicate original text"; the fact that is says "code" isn't a good reason to ignore the advice. It's like when people state that the conanical duplicate Please do not upload images of code/data/errors when asking a question. isn't application to the picture you transcribed because it doesn't say "data". — Larnu 26 secs ago
 
2:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@JesseSteele - So edit the question that was closed as a duplicate, and explain in detail, the reason the answers to the duplicate DO NOT answer your question. Outside of that, there is no resolution to question here, since it seems questions are being properly handled. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@SecurityHound I presume you mean to edit Question 1. But, your comment goes against the close instructions, which say word-for-word to "ask a new one", hence Question 2. As it stands, Q1 was a dup and should be closed and was handled correctly. Q2 is entirely different and unique. Q2 could have been Q1, as I think you suggect, but the close instructions said not to do that. — Jesse Steele 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobC
@Larnu - Thanks and just to clarify I’m not ignoring the advice. At the time of approving the suggested edit I didn’t know the advice in a meta post existed. — RobC 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@SecurityHound All of that is in this post here. Did you read it? I ask because I'm seeing a lot of comments that need responses already in the posts. — Jesse Steele 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Kind of, @lemon. For reviewing suggested edits, the guidance is usually inferred from the editing guidelines FAQ. Unfortunately, the guideline for not transcribing images is not there (I'll try to address that shortcoming). Honestly, I think we should revisit the guidance to add a caveat for cases like yours and RobC's because it's pretty obvious that the edit did not introduce any mistakes, but the guidance's still a guidance, and changing it requires a Meta discussion and forming a consensus first. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@anton_rh My point is to not talk about the question, that is a red herring and will immediately trigger people to treat your case as someone who doesn't understand how duplicates work. Stick to a format of "This answer does not work because...", "this answer does not work because..." and you may have a better experience seeing duplicate questions reopened. It'd be tiresome if you had to bring each instance to meta, because this will happen again. — Gimby 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@JesseSteele - I will rephrase, edit any question you feel is NOT a duplicate, and specify the reason it's not a duplicate. Simply saying "its not a duplicate" isn't justification. The the close instructions also suggest you edit the question that was closed. I copied the text and title of your question, and indeed, the duplicate wasn't listed as a similar question. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Since review suspensions aren't a punishment (in most cases, but you have to be particularly inept to earn a "permanent" one), and since you acknowledge the problem, you can safely ask for the suspension to be lifted (unless there is a pattern of other reviews that lead to the mod deciding you need a break). — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@SecurityHound This is about 2 Questions. The first one is a dup and can't be salvaged, though you'd never find the dup-original if you asked what my Question 1 asks. So, it needs to stay up so humans can find the dup-original. BUT Question 2 has been edited, as you say, and reviewers are STILL saying it is a dup. — Jesse Steele 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
@SecurityHound And no, the close instructions DO NOT suggest to edit. Read my comment, this very post, and the instructions, with browser search text "ask a new one". They do have a big "Edit" button in the instructions, but they do not SUGGEST using it if the proposed dup-originals don't answer my Question. They don't answer my Question, so I did what the instructions suggest: ask a new one. — Jesse Steele 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse Steele
For real, many users are not reading. — Jesse Steele 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lemon
Appreciate your suggestions @OlegValteriswithUkraine, I'll go through the guidelines FAQ. In the end, the objective is doing what's best for the community instead of what's best for me, or in general, for a specific user. — lemon 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by KNejad
@Lundin, the title has been changed now, it was cropped badly on the featured panel earlier. Check out the comment from Glorfindel — KNejad 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@lemon NP - I added the guideline to the FAQ so as it is obvious without knowing about the Q&A linked by Peter. Just as a small FYI, you can always drop by BSOR chat room if you need guidance, unsure, or just want to discuss a particular review or overall guidance. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@KNejad It had nothing to do with that, just with the phrasing. I would have phrased it something like: "Retiring the close reasons 'belongs on Server Fault or Super User'". — Lundin 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Looks like room owners also aren't marked in the transcript. — MisterMiyagi 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
This is by design, so this should be a feature request if you want it added, rather than a bug. The status of the user (e.g. mod or RO) is shown dynamically on the page only, not recorded to the database, since it can change, sometimes repeatedly, and at any time. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon Rose
What was the 2021 insight dashboard built with? The visuals are awesome! — Brandon Rose 20 secs ago
 
3:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Moderators I don't really see the value of seeing the icons, they're just participants like everyone else. Room owners maybe yes, it might give a clue into why particular chat interactions went the way they did. But with a little brain power that should also be easy to deduce from the transcript itself to be honest. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
"if you have to (you don't) please do spend a longer time looking for a better dupe" - Fair comment, although SO doesn't make it easy to find the best dupes most of the time..., and that same amount of effort should be put in by the asker prior to even posting your question. — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin - Standing with Ukraine
@NickstandswithUkraine Google shows me that thousands of SO questions which could be associated aren't duped. Since most of the time SO doesn't care to dupe (which seems right to me) I'm always at a loss to understand when it does care to do so. — Rounin - Standing with Ukraine 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
The post would really benefit from the removal of a passive-agressive tone towards duplicate closure and focusing on the specific issue. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin - Standing with Ukraine
@OlegValteriswithUkraine - Perhaps. But you know how impassioned I get when it comes to dupes on SO. They are amongst my most pronounced pet dislikes of anything on the contemporary web. Probably because I like the rest of SO so much. — Rounin - Standing with Ukraine just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I just tried on Chrome 101, Windows 10, and all of them worked. Something's (e.g. AdBlock, Privacy Filter) blocking on your side? — Andrew T. 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
Thirty minutes to understand and implement a solution seems very reasonable to me, probably less time than waiting for someone to answer with a new relevant solution and then understanding and implementing that. — Warcupine 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MFerguson
@AndrewT. Just disabled AdblockPlus. The initial prompt to accept cookies appeared and now the mentioned links do work to adjust the settings. — MFerguson 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin - Standing with Ukraine
@Warcupine - Fair enough. But as you see in my excerpt above, I was eventually able to write out my own answer and add it to my question (though I couldn't post it as an answer) and - I hope you agree with me - it doesn't take thirty minutes to read and understand the answer that I've written above. — Rounin - Standing with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
Great, duping is working as intended and the folks coming after you have an easier road ahead as your answer gains traction. — Warcupine 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin - Standing with Ukraine
@Warcupine I suspect my answer will be deleted. Aren't closed questions deleted after some time? That was my impression. — Rounin - Standing with Ukraine 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
Ohh, I thought you added it to the duped target question. Only closed questions that meet the roomba requirement get auto-deleted I think. — Warcupine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
It's unclear what this question is asking, or rather it seems like it is trying to ask two different things. It looks like you are proposing a template for users to use to complain about duplicate closures that require some (any?) level of further effort on the asker's part. Then it looks like you are complaining about (or just talking at the sky regarding) how you came upon a more useful answer than what was immediately available in the duplicate target. Your question here will be better received if you focus on only one of those two things. — TylerH 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Regarding the former, well... it's a little silly to expect a duplicate closure to obviate all further effort on your part, unless your code base is identical to that in the question used as a duplicate target. Regarding the latter, it's good that you found a better/ideal solution, but don't post it to Meta... post it as an answer to the duplicate target, instead. — TylerH 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Rounin-StandingwithUkraine Re: "Aren't closed questions deleted after some time?" Closed questions are deleted by the Roomba if they have a score of 0 or lower and have no upvoted or accepted answer. If there are multiple answers, that will also block the Roomba. You can read more about the Roomba criteria here: stackoverflow.com/help/roombaTylerH 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I agree with others commenting here that 25 minutes of additional effort is fine and a good target to achieve for a question closed as a duplicate. I'm not sure why you had to spend even that much time scrolling through all the answers, given that the #1 and #3 answer on the target are modern (read: 2019+) and use appendChild(), which you purport to be the ideal qualifiers for a good solution in this post. I wish that all my coding issues/questions could be solved in just 25 minutes... that would be amazing. — TylerH 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I am confused about your meta question. I don't know what it is that you are asking. Are you saying that the duplicate closure is invalid? You can cast a reopen vote on your question. Are you saying that the linked question lacks an up-to-date answer? Post your solution to the duplicate target. — Dharman ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
So someone invested their own time to search and provide you with a resource that resolved your issue... and you complain that they didn't spend more time so you could spend less? And instead of adding your findings to the dupe via edits or an answer, you instead passive-aggressively berate them in public? This... really isn't Stack Overflow at its best. — MisterMiyagi 14 secs ago
 
4:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin - Standing with Ukraine
@MisterMiyagi - thanks for that bad faith summary. It's fairer to say: someone invested their time, not in trying to answer (which I'd really have appreciated) but in seeking to close my question down, make it unanswerable & uncommentable. I can't reasonably add my findings to the dupe. It's not substantially the same question as the one I asked. I doubt my answer would make sense in the context of the latter. The core detail of my answer is there already, only it's not the OP's preferred answer and it's a long way from the most upvoted. Any contribution from me would be buried even deeper. — Rounin - Standing with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
5:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Well, chat hasn't been touched since, like, 2016? Chances of a change here are basically non-existent. I see how this could be made into a userscript, though. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
5:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Hum, @Gimby, Rule Nb_#1 on SO: Never use "Brain Power", or you will end up being more and more confused over time...! :razz!: — chivracq 1 min ago
 
5:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Anonymity is like ROUSes. I don't believe it exists. — user4581301 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
One word isn't going to make a difference. We did this sort of word splitting for ages on Software Engineering; the only place where wording made a material difference in the quality of the questions asked was when the site changed its name from Programmers to Software Engineering. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jxh
@SebastianSimon The "auto-revote" mechanism I had in mind was the first suggestion. That a post with newer votes in a particular direction will sort of automatically raise the weight of older votes in the same direction. — jxh 47 secs ago
 
 
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7:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
A minor quibble, but I would limit the SE list to just technology sites. Unless you think Interpersonal Skills would be helpful in diagnosing if my HDD is dead — Machavity ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
@Machavity limiting to just technology would exclude: Cross Validated, Mathematics, Computer Science, Artificial Intelligence, Theoretical Computer Science which we get a fair amount of questions for. It would also exclude Law and Open Source. — Henry Ecker 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@HenryEcker Fair enough, but that raises a much larger issue. So, I've just asked my dead HDD question on SO and gotten closed. I'm plucky so I click into the list. How do I pick a better site to ask about it on? That list is full of vague names ("Super User" is clever but does not describe that the site is about hardware/OS questions). FWIW, the SU closure reason (flawed as it is) at least suggests where to start. — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
@TylerH I think the main objection they have here is the theoretical possibility that the support team could deny the request. (In practice, there's no reason for them to do so here...) — gparyani 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
@JonH Until very recently, you had to contact the team if you wanted your account on public Q&A deleted, so it's not like they're not making steps toward making things self-service. — gparyani 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
I certainly agree with that @Machavity The on-topic page is a much more informative than just the sites list. I was trying to limit the number of incorrect referrals, but I agree that this certainly provides much less direct feedback about where to ask. I don't know what would be better. Some sites link to specific meta posts. I couldn't find a canonical "Where to ask off-topic questions instead" on MSO as I did on some other sites. — Henry Ecker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight
@Machavity I think that just like for questions on site's we don't have a custom close reason now for the asker will just have to hope someone (correctly) comments "your question may be on topic at Foo.SE". — Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
I did also try to encourage that by putting "If you believe the question is on-topic on another site on the Stack Exchange Network you can leave a comment to explain where the question may be able to be answered." in the privileged user guidance... though how effective that can be measured in advance. — Henry Ecker 55 secs ago
 
8:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rjzii
@BryanKrause Agreed, in most cases the EdD is a professional doctorate. There's also been a trend in recent years for the research EdD to be migrated to the PhD (ex., HGSE eliminated the EdD in favor of a PhD or the EdLD tracks). — rjzii 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
I did also try to encourage comments by including "If you believe the question is on-topic on another site on the Stack Exchange Network you can leave a comment to explain where the question may be able to be answered." in the privileged user guidance... though how effective that will be or not can't really be measured in advance. I think the core issue is more that there is not a good singular reference to direct people to which will help them pick what site to ask on. — Henry Ecker 1 min ago
 
8:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
IMHO, really need to include that all-important "... and unique to software development" qualifier. Lots of tools are commonly used by programmers, but as @Braiam mentioned, it's the combination of those two statements that determines whether it is on-topic. — NotTheDr01ds 1 min ago
 
9:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
"There are no links or pointers to the rest of the Stack Exchange network from the Stack Overflow site." - There are at least 2: 1, 2Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Also, why should Stack Overflow link to Cooking Stack Exchange? — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@Cerbrus Cookies - because cookies are always important for both programming and as a treat. — Catija ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Improving this might reduce off-topic questions, though I'm not sure exactly what the best way to do it would be...I don't really have any concrete suggestions. — Ryan M ♦ 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@Catija don't forget roasting! We do great tag BBQ periodically. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
I suppose adding a "network sites" link to the left sidebar might help - it is severely underutilized. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 47 secs ago
 
10:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobH
There are a bunch of links down in the footer under the Stack Exchange Network heading. For the Unix Exchange site that you're looking for, I suggest looking under the Technology link. — RobH 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@RobH beat me to the "footer" answer by 18 seconds, but I would add that your post could be improved by sharing your experience trying to (unsuccessfully) find links to other SE sites, rather than making the blanket statement that, "There are no links ...". I think it's a valid point that it could be easier, especially when the footer is a fairly long scroll on the main page. It is not, however, correct to say that the links just don't exist. — NotTheDr01ds 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
Consider yourself lucky you're just finding your content scraped. I got accused of plagiarizing myself after one of my answers got scraped. — Nick stands with Ukraine 34 secs ago
 
10:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
That site seems like it's pretty clearly violating the license (no sign of attribution at all), so you could in fact take action against them yourself, if you so desired. — Ryan M ♦ 49 secs ago
 

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