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12:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by camille
That seems like a useful tool, but the question was should we reformat code, not how do we reformat code more easily — camille 1 min ago
 
12:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clonkex
@animuson Out of curiosity... why is no one infusing fresh data? Surely that could be easily automated? — Clonkex 1 min ago
 
12:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
It was almost certainly removed as No Longer Needed since the question now has a close notice that also asks for an MRE. — BSMP 29 secs ago
 
1:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
@BSMP - That would have been my reasoning, too. But the comment was deleted before the question was closed (the referenced question was closed shortly after I posted this question). — Michael Szczesny 1 min ago
 
1:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris neilsen
It seems to me that some comments get unnecessary removed, perhaps due to the current hypersensitive awareness of "welcoming"'ness. Whether it's due to automatic deletion based on flags, or mod action I can't say. In any case, I feel that many objective but critical comments have a high chance of deletion — chris neilsen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris neilsen
As a matter if interest, when you were cold called and expected to to participate in an an interview, what did you do? Perhaps acquiesce, and participate, push back, withdraw, or something else? — chris neilsen 1 min ago
 
2:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@AnnZen from my understanding, when a user deletes their profile for a particular site, then when they recreate the profile (using the same credentials/network account) the profile will still be suspended. I don't believe it's related to the network they're connecting from (although the users on that network can be hit by the IP based rate limiting, that is however, AFAIA, separate from the suspension mechanism). — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jhpratt
It's one thing to remove SO jobs, but why remove the salary calculator? — jhpratt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jhpratt
@animuson Then can we update the data? Or worst case just open source the salary calculator and release anonymized data? I've no doubt a number of people, myself included, would be willing to help upkeep it. — jhpratt 12 secs ago
 
2:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@Nick What I'm saying is, when a user is suspended, it's true that if they decide to create a secondary account (to do things like ask questions) while their main account is suspended, their main account's suspension should be prolonged, and the secondary account should be deleted. But due to the way such actions are detected, a user may have their account's suspension wrongfully prolonged whenever another person, who shares their network, creates an account during their suspension. — Ann Zen 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@AnnZen Those actions aren't (to the best of my knowledge) automated in any way, so wouldn't be covered by "the system" (community) due to the potential for error. IP addresses aren't precise enough to identify individuals so situations like that would require assessment by mods/staff and a suspension would only be handed out if they can be reasonably confident that something fishy is indeed going on. I would be hesitant to trust any stories of an innocent user having their main accounts suspension extended in the way you suggest. — Nick 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@Nick "and a suspension would only be handed out if they can be reasonably confident that something fishy is indeed going on" And how confident is "reasonably" confident? Would there be anything fishy if the account (created during the suspension of the other account on the same network) made no interactions with the suspended account, and mainly asked questions? — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@AnnZen I'm not a mod :-) I'm just making reasonable assumptions on the process. You'd need one of them to weigh in on it. — Nick 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@Nick I understand. My question was directed at the OP, who happens to be a mod. — Ann Zen 35 secs ago
 
3:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arthur Tarasov
I think there are a bunch of legal and regulatory issues behind this. Too many companies ditch consumer and focus on business-to-business operations and for a good reason. I bet for every engineer on the jobs team SO had to keep 5 administrative/legal staff — Arthur Tarasov 49 secs ago
 
3:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
I don't use a resume/CV any more, I send people my SO Dev story! You're not asking, you're telling me you will cut off my left arm... Thats what this feels like anyway. While I understand removing the jobs side of things, Dev story adds value to our SO account by giving us a space to publicly broadcast our endeavours, Dev Story increases long term SO user retention. If users move their personal career profile to another platform they will spend less time on SO and then less time in review and other mod queues. — Chris Schaller 44 secs ago
 
 
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6:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Just make sure there isn't a decent duplicate already. Otherwise sounds fine. — VLAZ 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
7:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bergi
And effective now, the "Jobs" item is gone from the sidebar. Or has it been for some time? — Bergi 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bergi
I have no idea what "employer branding" is about. Can you be more specific please what "company pages and other types of advertising" refers to? Is a "company page" the company description part of jobs, just now without position offerings? — Bergi 32 secs ago
 
7:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Was there at least one close vote at the time you noticed it was gone? I think the OP can see the close reason as soon as they have one vote for it. We'd need a mod to say for sure but if there weren't any close votes either my only other guess is it got swept up with other comments that needed removing. — BSMP 1 min ago
 
8:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Is there any reason why you wouldn't edit the "not so high quality" questions into shape? — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justANewbie
@MisterMiyagi I feel like that will deviate from the author intention and the answer, because the question is more like "debug this specific program to me". — justANewbie 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
This looks like a perfectly cromulent comment to me. I've posted many similar ones and would have posted a similar one on this specific question, even after it was closed – knowing why the comment was removed would be helpful indeed. — MisterMiyagi 59 secs ago
 
8:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
The whole Teams project seemed like one big flirt with the Queen (Microsoft), for the purpose of creating a commercial product that would seem to be the next big thing with potential, so that the company could be sold to some other King/Queen. It wasn't something the peasants (existing customers) asked for. Collectives seem to be the same deal business-wise, implementing features to target big tech companies or rather creating a good-enough sales pitch to tell it to them. Rather than increasing the value of the SO product long term or creating something that can be sold to the peasants. — Lundin 19 secs ago
 
8:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jarlh
The first answer was posted at Jan 8 at 18:11, OP's own answer was posted Jan 8 at 18:12, i.e. somewhere between a few seconds and 2 minutes later. It's quite possible OP hadn't seen the first answer when he answered his own question. No need to be harsh in such situations. — jarlh 8 secs ago
 
9:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
And it happens again! "Can I somewhere see the reason why my comment was deleted?" is a perfectly reasonable question (the answer is no). And then you flip the meta post to be about a specific comment which is something different entirely. Why is this a trend? — Gimby 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Yeah ambiguous because the meta post asks two questions. Is that "No you can't see why it was deleted" or "No the comment does not violate any rules" ? — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Can you explain why posting a comment makes it possible for the author to delete it themselves and why flagging it as NAA does not serve that purpose? Is this about the notification they get because of the comment? — Gimby 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
This is the process of creating a canonical - something highly endorsed BUT also a lot of work and personal responsibility. I am kind of surprised there wouldn't be one already for the topic of pass by value VS pass by reference though. It strikes me as a question asked more times than how do I quit VI. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
@Gimby - that's true (even if your referenced question is about a deleted answer). I noticed this myself after reading EJoshuaS' answer and didn't want to devalue it by changing the title. My actual question is in the title, the body is a [mre] provided. — Michael Szczesny 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justANewbie
@Gimby yup. There's a lot of these kinds of questions but very spread around, not having a canonical dupe. The problem with this is when people answer these kinds of questions, they tend to get a lot of rep, and because there's no dupe, they can still answer those questions. It basically encourages Fastest Gun in the West. — justANewbie 38 secs ago
 
9:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
I specified the title of the question after you answered and Gimby's comment. Now it might look like an incorrect answer, considering Kevin B's comment If the reason was problematic enough to put you at risk of any kind of account action, you would have received a mod messageMichael Szczesny 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
i doubt thst xou eouldn't find a thread with lot of answer to such questions — nbk 1 min ago
 
10:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Basically, no, you can't. There are many threads discussing this under different lights, but the simple fact is that comments are ephemeral and one shouldn't feel particularly attached to them. They can be flagged as "no longer needed" are routinely deleted. The better course of action is to let it go and move on. — yivi 1 min ago
 
10:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
The user who posted the answer isn't relevant, treat it as a standalone post. Would you downvote if it was posted by someone else? — DavidG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Muhammad Mohsin Khan
@DavidG What if it is a duplicate? or commentary? — Muhammad Mohsin Khan 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
The same rule applies as you would any other post, the name of the user who posted it is still not relevant. — DavidG 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
We don't often have comment discussions in SOCVR but if you wonder if a comment is up to par for moderating a post, feel free to ask in SOCVR. Or you might even like our stock comments: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/auto-comments/blob/master‌​/… which go well with the auto review comment user script: socvr.org/tools/userscriptsrene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is my display name
You can also check whether your comment triggered the heat detector, although this doesn't always mean that the comment was or was not problematic. — E_net4 is my display name 52 secs ago
 
11:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Feature request: can we now finally get rid of the cringe-worthy site title: "Stack Overflow - Where Developers Learn, Share & Build Careers"? How about "where developers compile, link & build binaries" :) — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What is a "high question"? Is a word missing? — Peter Mortensen 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Untangled: "I doubt that you wouldn't find a thread with a lot of answers to such questions."Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@AdrianMole does not seem like we differ in that regards :) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by klutt
@Gimby Yes, it's about the notification — klutt 56 secs ago
 
12:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user692942
Does this mean the Pluralsight IQ Skill integration will go as well? — user692942 1 min ago
 
12:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
After some thinking, I think not even the company considers seriously that others will advertise by them to find people. If it is correct, then the question boils down to this: "We delete the Job SO and we do not say the why". — peterh 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Please really make sure that no duplicate exists before starting. I'm not 100% sure about the exact content of your question, but Pass by Reference / Value in C++ already looks like a good starting point. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@animuson There were developer surveys in 2020 and in 2021, too. Why there were no one to import the new data? The company is big and until now I knew it so, Job SO is one of its top money maker. — peterh 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@Clonkex I think, doing something once in a year, maybe it is cheaper by hand. — peterh 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vicky
Noted. I will take care of all the points which all you guys have explained to me. Thanks for this suggestion — Vicky 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vicky
@SecurityHound Noted all the points. I will take care of this from next time onwards and edit the existing questions that are unclear enough. — Vicky 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
But don't you also get a notification when the answer is closed due to it being flagged? Serious question, I actually don't know that for sure. — Gimby 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vicky
@Gimby Ok. I will not delete it — Vicky 13 secs ago
 
1:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justANewbie
@BDL that's a good starting point, but I want something like "why a variable doesn't change in a function?" and the answer is like "Because you pass by value..." The highest score answer in the Q/A you linked mostly talks about what he/she thinks what is pass by value and reference, and other answer seems to explain what is pass by value and reference, not explaining what the error is. — justANewbie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Guteniev
What is Bounties canceled? What are reasons to cancel bounties? — Alex Guteniev 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by idmean
No, I don't think you understood the reasoning correctly. What they're saying is that their core business is Q&A (i.e. selling SO for Teams) and that they'll focus on that. — idmean 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@justANewbie okay so it has multiple answers and those answers are not in fact exact duplicates of each other, they deal with different aspects of the question. Some providing a short and simple answer, others diving into the how and why. In all those answers, is there something missing? — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@idmean How other would you understand this: "We are realigning the Talent business to focus more on customer employer branding and company awareness needs, and moving away from job slots and direct hiring". Translating from corporate English into ordinary English, that means this: "We stop working on direct hiring, if you want to find people, buy from us ads". Is my translation correct? — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Minor: It is paraphrased, but "How do you know...", when hastily read, may come over accusing the user (I know it is not the case, but it may be perceived that way). Perhaps avoid "you" to focus more on the content and less on the user? Call to action at the end can still include "you". — Peter Mortensen 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
@PeterMortensen - That's a good observation. I will try to take this into account in future comments. — Michael Szczesny 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by idmean
I would translate that to: "We do not want to entirely lose large corporate money (Apple, Google) so let's sell them 'brand-awareness' instead." This move is otherwise really about refocusing the company after an acquisition. Prosus probably did not buy Stack Overflow for their talent acquisition know-how. — idmean 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justANewbie
@Gimby I don't really have a problem with the answer, but the question. It only refers to a very specific program, and the problems lies within the code, sometimes not easy to spot, the title is hard to find on a search engine. But if I want to generalise the question, I deviate from the author intention and make the answers wrong. — justANewbie just now
 
1:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Yes, this is sad. Most software has a limited lifespan (for whatever reason). Hopefully some general software components and/or gained knowledge can live on. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Viveret Steele
"Job ads" may cease to exist but there are future problems to solve that may require the structure and capabilities implemented previously — Viveret Steele 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justANewbie
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
And this is why a product about a collection of objects shouldn't be called a collective. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by theonlygusti
So confusing. I wonder why they didn't just use tags for this. — theonlygusti 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@theonlygusti They did, a collective is just a collection of tags with some branding attached. — Nick 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by theonlygusti
Call it brand I guess. Brand/company/product — theonlygusti 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@Nick Yeah, they should've called it a list instead /s — Zoe ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thecave3
The downvotes to this question reflect the current level of toxicity of the StackOverflow community. — Thecave3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@idmean To my knowledge, Job SO was one of the 3 top money makers of the company (beside ads and teams). "Employer branding" means the tuning of company reputation in the eyes of the employee. So it is ads targeting employee. So, instead of finding people directly, they want to sell banners. First problem: only very few developers can see any banners on the SO. Second problem: buying banner places to find employee is much lesser effective than buying job offer entries in the Job SO db, thus it worths lesser. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@idmean Someone said to me some weeks ago: if I find a developer for him, I will get many $$$ after he is hired and survived his trial period. His offer was enough good to pay for Job SO entries from my own money. I would not ever do that by buying SO ads, probably they would not even talk to me. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@idmean Furthermore, as a developer, the last thing what I consider, how good is it to work for an employer, is their ads. Actually, if they are advertising on the SO, that is a disadvantage in my eyes. To estimate a target company to apply, I see first their vacancies and their kununu/glassdoor reports. If I can, I am also asking people working/worked there. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by maxshuty
As someone who recently found a job through SO Jobs the SO Jobs was light years ahead of many other places, although I believe it could certainly have used a few improvements it's really sad to see it go. I loved that I could filter and find jobs that are actually relevant to me without having to sift through 35345 other job postings that just happened to contain a keyword or something like many other jobs websites do, I'm really disappointed in this. — maxshuty 1 min ago
 
2:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Gimby answers do not get closed - questions do. — VLAZ 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
I went through your list of edits and approved a few of them. I should note that some of your suggestions were overly simple edits that only fixed minor problems. Be sure you're trying to fix questions that are on-topic and MRE. Simple edits to fix grammar and spelling might seem useful, but people have to review your edits and there is an overall queue limit. Also, if a question is poor enough to warrant your mentioning help center pages, please flag the question for closure. — Machavity ♦ 19 secs ago
 
2:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
That is where we get into shaky territory, because duplicate linking is supposed to lead you to the best answer, not the best question. I hardly ever get brought to a question only by google, I get brought to a specific answer so I personally don't really see much of a problem for search engines if it is only about the question. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Or a hive. I keep going into Star Trek territory when I read "collective". — Gimby 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Makes me wonder: should problems with blog posts be reported on MSO? I mean I guess it is not off-topic since the description of what is on-topic is ambiguously things that have to do with the website, the blog falls in that category. But a blog can have its own replies where you can report goofs. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Machavity I have to begrudgingly note that approving minor edits overlooking noise, tag duplication in titles, error formatting, and other grammatical errors does not send the right message to editors... — Oleg Valter 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@OlegValter I understand, but the ones I did approve were borderline enough to let through. I did decline one for only adding spaces — Machavity ♦ 17 secs ago
 
3:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Machavity no issue with other approvals, only with that specific one - it really worries me to see a binding approval on it, that edit is not in line with editing guidelines... — Oleg Valter 16 secs ago
 
3:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@VLAZ Jeepers, I really had the impression that answers could also be marked as off-topic. You're right of course, I don't know where my brain is. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
4:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@peterh the jobs tool, at it's core, was always about ads. a job listing is in fact an ad. — Kevin B 37 secs ago
 
4:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB Probably the company decision makers have the same problem to differentiate between a job portal and an advertising service like you, this is why they have shot themselves on the foot again. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
That's simply the reality of it. Job listings have always been treated like ads. From when they were in news papers, up till today on all the online jobs boards. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB Unfortunately, replicating the same b*t is not a feasible workaround for the problem even on their meetings. — peterh 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
There was nothing revolutionary about SO Jobs other than it being part of a network where developers already were. The problem with that is the developers are also already on linkedin, even before they know SO exists. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It was simply a more limited version of linkedin that priced out a portion of the jobs market with less features. — Kevin B 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB Yes, and this made the Job SO useful. Now they try to advertise multis, likely in banners (probably this completely unneeded "community" thing is also this direction). I do not know, how much do these multis pay, but it must be a really big sum, and really wasted sum (I did not see an SO/SE banner many years ago). — peterh 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
honestly i don't care about what money they made from it, that's their problem, not ours. i don't understand your insistence on it. If it was profitable they wouldn't have stopped accepting new business partners for it a year ago. — Kevin B 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB On the LinkedIn, you have no direct feedback from the skills of the developer. On the LinkedIn, one s*t recruiter request is coming after the other, blocking them all is a huge work and really annoying. On the JobSO, if directly an employer contacted you, he has also seen, how good are you on various fields, so your application started with a huge advantage. Now that you say this, it came to my mind: I am nearly sure, the company decisions have no idea about this advantage! — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by takendarkk
I don't think you can ever get reputation from flags. Can you link to where this is - "The user page says I need to flag items to increase my reputation points"? — takendarkk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
You increase your reputation by providing good questions, answers and suggested edits. Flags don't give any reputation. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"The user page says I need to flag items to increase my reputation points" ... can you please quote the text you're referring to? Or provide a link? — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
That is simply because less people used SO professionally for finding candidates. — Kevin B 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB Yes, it is their business and... their foot ;-). Of course my direct pain is that they made something really, really useful, and by killing it, also I have lost something. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
There is a link, under every contribution, provided you are logged into your account. However, raising moderator flags, does not earn you reputation — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
You don't even have a developer story. — Kevin B 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB That is quite possible! But I applied for jobs here and my experiences were quite positive. It is much more better than Linkedin/Xing/etc. Even if we do not see recruiter spam (which is imho about 90% of most job portals), even the rest were exceptional. I think, they had access to my SO profile and it was more convincing than my CV. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"February 2022 – users will start to see banners and notices on all deprecated features" this will occur in the very near future. — Kevin B 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB I do not seek for jobs, I deleted it on the spot that I found my current one. I had also a plan to seek for developers: being a developer also myself, I can match an SO profile to a company profile much better than a HR/recruiter, so I could have provided really exceptional candidates. It had been a private business for me. Now this is gone. Pain++. Furthermore, not this is the first thing that something would be really, really useful... and they simply kill it. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user100351
Thank you, that makes more sense. I miss understood what 'Next Privilage' bar was indicating. — user100351 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB Many people are accepting all the bad things what they did, because they also see the many good things in the system. Also I see these, and I think I understand as a guy militantly defends the company and all what they are doing, even against the most basic rationality. I understand this because also I have some similar feelings. But... these things, I simply can not forget. I am here because I still see it advantegous, but I can not forget these. Btw, even the unprofessional recruiters had to pay to the company, and as far I know, they were not cheap. — peterh 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kos
"> Late January 2022 – users will no longer be able to create new Developer Stories" well, this will bang them as well without notice, but I see what yo mean — Kos 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Being unable to create new ones, doesn't prevent exporting — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
yeah, no, i'm not defending teh company. There's plenty of things they do with the management of the QA community that i find abhorrent. however, removing jobs, as it is currently built, is a positive for the community. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
That user seems to have resurfaced as stackoverflownumba1. There are several deleted questions before the one that is currently listed (I have the references). It is the same subject and the same kind of structure in the question. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB On the JobSE, there was a very important feature: it said, how good are you on various fields. It was not something what your friends/bots voted up, like the linkedin "scores", it was generated from your tag score percentiles. Getting into the top 5% of the answerers of a technology, that was something for which one could have worked many months long, by writing useful answers. I am here on the meta many years ago and I think, I experienced many times that some opinion/directive proposal was motivated by this scoring. Now their this motivation is away. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kos
Still this timeline makes little sense, edited my answer. — Kos 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
That unfortunately is a rather poor measure. Tag score is incredibly easy to increase without actually knowing what you're doing/talking about. — Kevin B 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB I tought the same, but actually it is not easy to write good answers. Increasing the tag score about a technology with superficial knowledge is imho very hard (although possible, but still hard). The most important thing, what I can see, for example, on your tag scores, is that you are frontend developer, long ago, and a diligent and good one. You could have made these scores even with a superficial web frontend skill, but it had been much more work than rewriting your CV with frontend dev focus. — peterh 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it's very easy to write answers that will be upvoted. They simply need to be correct, which more often than not is just a google search away. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Also, you are incorrect on your assumptions for me, as javascript/jquery is something i don't actually write profesionally. — Kevin B just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB No, you are since 11 years here, you wrote a lot of answers and nearly all of your top tags are from web frontend. Consequence: it had been very unlikely that you could have found any other jobs here than web frontend development, but you had an exceptionally high chance for web frontend jobs. In the world of the linkedin, you can apply anywhere, and the target companies know very well, that you have likely tuned your CV to their vacancy. — peterh 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB Jquery is an oldie thing and today it is only rarely needed. Furthermore, most companies are not so strongly focused to a specific technology. They have a tech portfolio and their vacancies are bound to roles. Frontend dev is a role. You are a frontend dev, with nearly 100k rep. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
99% of my job is backend integration, has been for the past 9 years. javascript is a hobby. — Kevin B 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marquizzo
@PeterMortensen Yeah, I’ve noticed that. Probably has deleted about 5 questions in its week of activity. It seems this person hasn’t learned a single thing. I also suspect this question might be by the same individual, but it’s probably too early to tell. — Marquizzo 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB :-) Then in your place I would not insert my SO profile into my CV (also I do not do it, but on other reasons). — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB Hmm... if it is true, then you are the exception and not the typical SO Jobs user, imho. I checked also your network-wide profile with this. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB Why you have practically no backend integration tag scores? I find it surprising. — peterh 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
My interactions on SO are more fun when I'm learning, rather than when I'm just solving someone else's problem. — Kevin B 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@KevinB I still think, you could probably earn more by web frontend. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
The banner explaining that developer story will be going away will go live at the same time we stop allowing new stories to be created, sometime in January. The February timeline is for adding notices to other Jobs features. There also isn't any export feature for developer story yet, unless you want it as a static PDF. That feature isn't coming until March. — animuson ♦ 16 secs ago
 
5:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by idmean
Instead of ranting right away, you should have taken the time to actually read the post. In addition to the banners others have already mentioned it also says "Early March 2022 – users will be able to easily export all their data related to Jobs & Developer Story" — idmean 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kos
@idmean isntead of poor communication, you should notify users in a more practical way instead of writing poorly written post somewhere in meta, and also I lost you at "Why?" section, so — Kos 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@chrisneilsen: I went through it. I mean, three years in the industry, what did I know about this? It definitely was different to the first/only time I had been interviewed, which was introductory, then a walkthrough of what to expect, some time to prepare, then the actual thing - nope, this was some senior dev asking me a whole bunch of SQL questions for a Python job. Go figure. — Makoto 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by idmean
@Kos Here we go again. Also, I did not write that post but I was indeed able to understand it just fine. — idmean 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
The irony of the most useful feature not having been updated since '19 is not lost on me... — Makoto 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Thecave3: No they don't. They just indicate that people disagree. There's nothing toxic about disagreeing with something. — Makoto just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
See this help page on how you can gain (and lose) reputation. — Ivar 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
Uh-oh: "We've dealt with this user pretty decisively now". I like the sound of that! Thank you, @Machavity and company. — Timur Shtatland 1 min ago
 
6:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris neilsen
Thanks for sharing that, appreciated — chris neilsen 28 secs ago
 
6:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
It means there is one close vote on that question. It needs 3 to actual close the question — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Users can close their own question as a duplicate. That is handy when their continued research all of a sudden does render a viable duplicate target. — rene 56 secs ago
 
7:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@zoe I checked with some people in SOCVR and they weren't able to reproduce this problem, though they said that it had still been an issue earlier this week. Do you have some reason to think it's still occurring? You should be able to edit since mods have the ability to do so. — Catija ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Not to sound overly nitpicky, but the tooltip for the button clearly says "2 more votes are needed to close this question" - that should be pretty easy to grasp the meaning of. That said, Meta is the place to ask for clarifications on the matter, no harm done. Also see the help center article on question closure. — Oleg Valter 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Also also: MSE FAQ on question closure — Oleg Valter 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Speaking of the question you got a close vote on, I do not find the vote appropriate - the reason is reserved for posts that should be multiple questions, cannot be answered without writing a book chapter on the topic, or require the answerer to become a free "code monkey" for the asker. Yours is pretty focused, albeit maybe a duplicate (CSS tag regulars will likely find one soon) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by James
@OlegValter, Thanks for telling me that! — James 7 secs ago
 
7:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
Given, since the survey data is public and anonymized, couldn't someone recreate the salary calculator based on the same data (both now and in the future)? — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@Catija I status-review'd because I got confirmation from another user (<10k, on a locked, public post). Just asked them to check again, and it's suddenly fine? Seems like it's an inconsistent bug, but I don't have much details here. See also stackoverflow.com/questions/1465849/using-ioc-for-unit-testi‌​ng/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/26101203/… (unrelated to the initial confirmation, but same error message). — Zoe ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
It seems to be a semi-rare and definitely obscure bug, but it's still periodically reproducible. That said, I suspect it may only be a problem when the edit queue is full, and that that's why it's not currently possible to reproduce. Might need to wait until it fills up again to test, but I'm not sure. The current theory I have is that there's a bad condition that checks if the queue is full regardless of rep or post ownership, prior to other checks (like the one for locks), and that it therefore produces a bad message. haven't checked the code to verify, admittedly — Zoe ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Catija Can confirm, I asked Zoe about it on the 8th at 19:48 GMT. Here's the error while trying to click the edit button on this post. I am now instead getting "Post is locked." I'll try again when the queue is bigger. — Nick 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Truckle
A screen grab like that would have been sensible for the documentation. — Andrew Truckle 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
The main benefit of closing a question: If the question cannot be answered in a clean and concise manner, closing the question protects it from collecting substandard answers. — user4581301 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
OK, that makes sense, @Zoe Thanks for the added context. I'll ask the devs to look at the order of checks and ensure that if locked, we only ever say something to the effect of "this post can't be edited because it's locked", regardless of whether the s.e. queue is full, which is irrelevant. :) — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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9:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pkamb
 
9:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@pkamb Looks like the same thing — Zoe ♦ 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
Good catch, @pkamb - I'll make a note to respond to your post once we figure this out. — Catija ♦ 32 secs ago
 
10:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sylvester Kruin
@AlexGuteniev You bounty a question, and then a user whom you really don't like answers the only answer, and you're just so desperate not to give them reputation that you cancel your bounty ;-). — Sylvester Kruin 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sylvester Kruin
And we have 23,202 users who got in trouble last year (that includes users suspended, destroyed, deleted, and banned). That's about 63 users getting in trouble per day on average, or about 3 per hour :-|. On the bright side, that's 11,933 users less than 2020, which had ~96 users that got in trouble per day, or ~4 users an hour! Or is that a good thing? I guess it depends on how you look at it.... — Sylvester Kruin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@SylvesterKruin But only moderators can cancel bounties, and they won't agree to take the action if you simply "don't like" the only user who answered. SO is all about content, not people :) — Ann Zen 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sylvester Kruin
Agreed, @ChrisSchaller! It's one thing to remove Jobs, but why remove the Developer Story? I like keeping all my developer projects in the Story, and it will definitely be nice later on when I'm applying for jobs. I guess I'll have to export it and put it somewhere else (sigh)... am I the only one, or does it seem like everything changes for the worse these days? Maybe I'm just pessimistic.... — Sylvester Kruin 1 min ago
 
10:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
Note: I have previously flagged the example post for moderator attention, so it may be removed in the future. I think I've offered enough context so that this post remains relevant without it. — Jeremy Caney 35 secs ago
 
11:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@AlexGuteniev We primarily clear fraudulent bounties (extremely infrequent), and periodically bounties on off-topic posts that weren't closed prior to the bounty being placed. The latter does happen relatively regularly; 147 cancelled bounties means one every few days, and I'll go ahead and argue the majority of them are on off-topic posts. (letting them expire and then closing does happen, but it really depends on the mod, remaining duration, activity, etc.) — Zoe ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@SylvesterKruin A matter of perspective, 'tis true. And the spam problem (which often precedes deleted/suspected/destroyed accounts) seemed to get much worse in the last few weeks of the year. Again, thankful for the moderation actions which cleaned these up, but yes, wish they weren't necessary in the first place. — NotTheDr01ds 34 secs ago
 
11:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ruffin
"There's barely any indication of what features Indeed brings to the table." But do they make you want to use Indeed? I mean, there's no better warrior-god playing than Max, the organ was hilarious, & I know which one is the freaking pitching eye, but have you seen the applicants Indeed churns out? Many are not top-shelf, self-screened, intrinsically motivated devs. I mean, maybe Apple, Google, and MS can convince us to apply by bombarding us, but didn't we already know if we wanted to work there? — ruffin 8 secs ago
 

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