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12:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@RBarryYoung Yeah - The "Meta Effect" has got completely carried away in this case. But I don't see any delete votes on the question, or any actions in the timeline that suggest there were any cast. Such votes, when cast on posts being actively discussed on Meta, are frowned-upon by some of our moderators. — Adrian Mole 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@AdrianMole Pending delete votes are not visible on open questions. When RBarryYoung posted their comment 3 hours ago, the question was closed. I wouldn't be surprised if there are indeed pending delete votes on the question currently that are not visible. — cigien 7 secs ago
 
12:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Larnu Unfortunately, based on what we've seen, that would only stop some of it. It doesn't all have emoji in it. — Ryan M 33 secs ago
 
1:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kcsquared
As one of the answerers, I totally agree that the question is currently off-topic, but the pre-edited question was more borderline. I expected the question was indirectly asking about maze-algorithms and pathfinding. My answer is admittedly rather poor; I was in the process of adding code, but unfortunately I moved on after seeing a number of edits had added a 'scoring function' and high-score list to the question. I considered commenting that the question had become a puzzling competition, but by then the post was several days old and had a positive reception (+3 or +4). — kcsquared 1 min ago
 
 
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3:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user202729
In this context, you can also use <kbd>...</kbd> inside code block, but the syntax highlighter breaks it (remember to escape all &lt;) — user202729 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
That title is too clever... — Peter Mortensen 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
That title is too clever... I had to use defocused temporal perception to get it. — Peter Mortensen 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by glinda93
The question has been closed. — glinda93 5 secs ago
 
4:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
That title is too clever... I had to use defocused temporal perception to get it. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
4:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mahalakshmi s
thank you Cody Gray for the details. I will take the tour etc, but I dont find any way I can correct unless I create a new account. My thank you posts may not be of acceptable quality but what would I do when I cannot comment or like and I used the information posted. I probably should have got the points, but how is my mistake worth a ban. Are you not encouraging people to create alternate accounts to restart rather than to offer a way to correct the mistake. — mahalakshmi s 9 secs ago
 
5:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 4c74356b41
ugh, i was assuming that would add accounts from other stack overflow sites (like superuser\aksubuntu\etc). that appears to have worked. thanks! — 4c74356b41 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
That said, AFAIK, Stack Overflow accepts GitHub account as a login credential, but GitHub doesn't accept Stack Overflow account as a login credential. And both accounts are not linked (no data migrated) — Andrew T. 9 secs ago
 
 
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7:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mahozad
Personally, I prefer the smooth scrolling. But for the reasons mentioned in the articles, it seems the current behavior is fine. — Mahozad 10 secs ago
 
7:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpp1
It does not matter. At all. Except to anally neurotic people with too much time on their hands. — jpp1 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Note that deleted questions are also factored into whether you're question-banned. You should check to see if any of those can be improved sufficiently to be undeleted, and potentially reopened. — cigien 26 secs ago
 
8:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
What do you mean by "pop(p)ing"? PS Your proposal is unclear. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
And what solution do you propose to prevent every single asker with 75+ rep from adding a bounty to every question they ask? — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thingamabobs
@philipxy Martijn Pieters stated here the bounty pops even if there is NO answer at all. — Thingamabobs 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
That use of "pop" is figurative/metaphoric language in a certain context, and that context is not repeated here, so it is not clear to say pop here, and please clearly say what you mean. — philipxy 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thingamabobs
@41686d6564 moderators or even the community could decide if this rule should apply. — Thingamabobs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Are you suggesting that bounties should be refundable if they receive no answers at all? If so, please make that explicit in your question. Currently, your question is a bit unclear about what the feature would look like. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Please research before considering posting a question--like this one. How to Askphilipxy 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thingamabobs
@cigien updated the question. — Thingamabobs 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thingamabobs
I updated the question. My proposal should avoid that hard earned points pop on well written questions with a bounty that has no rewardable answer. — Thingamabobs 40 secs ago
 
8:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
If a bounty is never awarded, then why is it a bounty - a reward? The point is that somebody offers a reward ("bounty") for answers. And then that reward is given out to an answer. Your proposal seems to be that an answer is never rewarded which then rises the question - why post an answer at all? — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thingamabobs
@VLAZ Its all about questions that nor recieve a awardable answer. That requiers +3 or manually rewarded. — Thingamabobs just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
That is not at all clear from what you've posted as a question. — VLAZ 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thingamabobs
With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed, high-quality answers to every question about programming. Therefore a well written question with no awardable answer shouldnt be the case. Dont you think? — Thingamabobs 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thingamabobs
@VLAZ updated the question. — Thingamabobs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Unfortunately there's no shortage of poorly written questions. — Robert Longson 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jfs
unrelated: "Stuff" creates an impression "here's we and here's you(the others)" (with all the human tribal barbaric implications). "Stuff" says "we are no longer the team" (even as a lip-service), no common goal (such as sharing knowledge), no attempt to reach consensus based on some rational fact-based foundation (all that is left are just petitions to the tsar). — jfs 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
If it's only 3 days, then I guess you're still in luck that it's only rate-limited. If you're really question-banned, then you only have a chance to post 1 question every 6 months. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Everyone asking thinks their question is well written. Unfortunately, voting suggests that's simply not the case. People bounty errant nonsense and waste the time of people reading it — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thingamabobs
@RobertLongson Yes, but especially with a bounty they get downvoted. I've seen -10 and more in this case. — Thingamabobs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thingamabobs
The main problem of the bounty is that you can lose your (only) points to a question that may never been answered. For exampel, I only made an account to SO for this question and I imagine not getting an answer and cant reuse the points for a follow up bounty or people who think this question is worth answering cant use my point to make the question more attactive. Members would just wasting points. — Thingamabobs 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Except you did get an answer to that question, in fact you got more than one so in this case the bounty got you what you wanted. You can't pay for two different things with the same money, you need to go out and earn some more. — Robert Longson 59 secs ago
 
9:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
@RyanM, this is why I said some, not all. — Larnu 8 secs ago
 
 
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11:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
@Thingamabobs a bounty gets the question more attention, that's the point of it; like the meta effect that attention doesn't necessarily lead to a positive response. — jonrsharpe 1 min ago
 
11:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by flywire
Disagree? Leave a comment. — flywire 35 secs ago
 
12:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
If the original question has no answers, it is not eligible as a duplicate. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
 
 
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1:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RBarryYoung
So let's see, not only have the haters successfully closed and deleted the question, they have also deleted all of the comments here that were critical of their purity-based "editing" or even just disagree with them. Because no matter how many people disagree with this, the SO/SE system drives us to this, and always favors philosophy: delete everything you disagree with as fast as possible. The system favors hyperactivity and hate, so close votes happen and cannot be opposed until closed. But while the majority tries to re-open, it can be deleted at the same time. Here, hate always wins. — RBarryYoung 1 min ago
 
2:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Korgan Rivera
Agreed. When I started this question, the intention was on-topic but then it became something else. Thanks to @VLAZ for the recommendation to try Puzzling; wasn't aware of that one. — Korgan Rivera 1 min ago
 
3:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
"When these people enter the job market, they'll likely use Stack Overflow. So why prevent them from consulting it during an exam?" Because exams are not meant to mimic real life situations. They are meant to test some specified set of capabilities. The capabilities tested by an exam are specified by educators. You may think it is illegitimate for educators to test capabilities that you think will not be required in the workplace, but (1) the purpose of education is far more than just to prepare students for a workplace, and (2) do you object so strongly to educators deciding how to ... — kaya3 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
... their students in a way which does not mimic a real life situation, that you would protest against them doing so by trying to change their exam into more of a real life situation? (3) Are you sure that programmers in the workplace will never find themselves with a problem that they aren't able to find a solution on Stack Overflow? Such problems are generally more difficult than exam problems for beginner programmers, but the capability of solving a problem for yourself is absolutely something that professional programmers need, so it's not even unrealistic for an exam to simulate this. — kaya3 1 min ago
 
 
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4:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
"What I see wrong about it is that there isn't any research, or what they tried to solve the question." Note that "No research" or "no own effort" are not close reasons. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lakshya Raj
@JeanneDark: My point is, they didn't do any research (no links to docs, or even a mention that they did some), and they just put down the question soon after the problem arrived ("I have a problem that started very recently..."). I do see from what perspective you are coming from, though. — Lakshya Raj 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
That's not a close reason and never was. — Jeanne Dark 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user17242583
That is a pretty lazy-looking question. — user17242583 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lakshya Raj
@JeanneDark: So research based questions are not duplicates and of good quality? I thought that good quality questions had research from others sites/questions in them. I'm coming at this from a learning view, just trying to understand what I did wrong. Also, I was just suggesting feedback for details and research, not any close reasons or such. — Lakshya Raj 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
Share feedback isn't ask for close. In all review audit, we can see there is only one flag, and others use Looks OK, Share feedback or need author edit — Elikill58 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Audits are chosen automatically. With that score etc. the system considered the question good and chose it as a known good audit. There were suggestions to change the audit selection, eg. let moderators choose them. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user17242583
As is probably obvious though, the score of a question like this is often more indicative of how often the problem is encountered... — user17242583 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
And because you should upvote posts you found useful, a high score indicates a useful contribution to our library of programming knowledge. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lakshya Raj
@user17242583: Yes, I believe the high score means, "I had this question too" or "Thanks for the help there!" instead of "Good question!" — Lakshya Raj 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user17242583
Of course @Jeanne, I don't mean to say that it isn't valueable knowledge inherently, but the question, when taken alone, without upvotes or answers, is not very good. If it were a new question, I would downvote it right away. — user17242583 just now
 
5:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lakshya Raj
@gnat: That question is similar to mine in the way that it also mentions a question that is only a "good question" because of upvotes. That question about recovering data is a more extreme example of not following site guidelines. Good review questions should be verified by trusted community members if not picked by them. — Lakshya Raj just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Generally positive to it if the meaning is "unambiguous"... But concerning the "mapping" Example, with no Context of any ProgLang in this Meta Qt, I first read and understood it as "... and (you can) ping it to each [whatever] using some map Object/Method/Command..." - I only realized/understood from the Comments that it meant "... and mapping it to each [whatever] using some map O/M/C..." (But I possibly/probably would have understood it correctly "directly" in the Context of the SO Qt...) — chivracq 1 min ago
 
5:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
What do we do about questions that should be closed by users who know questions with a bounty cannot be closed? At least with today’s system we just have to wait until the bounty period ends. Yes; Users absolutely use a bounty to prevent their question from being closed. I have personally seen it. — Security Hound 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
The duplicate target is quite poor here. The target is basically " the question is bad, but the audit system picked it because of reasons." In this case, that doesn't apply; the question is not bad. It's useful, and I see no reason to close it (other than as a duplicate). Certainly, lack of research effort is not a close reason, as already mentioned in the comments above. — cigien 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thingamabobs
@SecurityHound that's a different question. — Thingamabobs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lakshya Raj
@cigien: I'm not trying to close it, just give it some feedback to add detail or research. I don't want to mark it duplicate or close it for no research. I just think that it doesn't have research and therefore isn't a good audit question. — Lakshya Raj 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Oh, I see. You're asking why simply sharing feedback should cause an audit to be failed. In that case, you're looking for something like this instead. There are some other similar posts on MSO about failing audits by just sharing feedback. Maybe a gold tag badge hammer can adjust the duplicate target accordingly. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Do you really feel the question would be improved if the OP had added all the research effort they had done to solve the problem? I'm not asking what the guidelines say, I'm just curious what it is you look for in questions. You mention in this answer that "many users have the same problem, and they just need an answer, not a full research report.". That's exactly how I use SO myself: I have a problem, and I want an answer. I definitely don't want to see a full research report. In fact, if it doesn't directly clarify the question, it's just commentary, and I would edit that out. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lakshya Raj
@cigien: I'm saying that questions should be verified as good audit questions before they get pushed into the audit queue. What you're mentioning is something that is a slightly different topic, but it's not my main point. Thank you for trying to understand though. — Lakshya Raj 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Thingamabobs - No; Your making a feature request; So I am asking if bounties shouldn’t expire then what do we do about improperly bountie questions — Security Hound 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lakshya Raj
@cigien: Not necessarily EVERYTHING they researched. A message saying, "I looked around SO and the internet but couldn't find any answers" or "There's this question, but none of the answers work in my situation" or even "There were no good answers when I searched for them" would work. The author of the question just dropped their problem and asked someone to solve it. This is a little off topic for what I'm talking about, anyways. — Lakshya Raj 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Hmm, I don't see where in your question you mention that "good audit" questions should be verified (I assume you mean by the community, or mods). Anyway, even if that's the case, there's nothing wrong with this audit. It's a perfectly fine question, and there's particular reason to add research details, or any details as far as I can tell. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Linking to related questions is fine, though it's usually only necessary if the linked question would appear to be a duplicate at first glance. However, your other examples of "I looked around SO and the internet but couldn't find any answers", and "There were no good answers when I searched for them" are completely useless statements (they're just commentary), and I absolutely would edit them out of a question. I really hope you're not leaving comments asking OPs to add useless information like that to questions. — cigien 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lakshya Raj
@cigien: At the time of writing, I wasn't sure if docker alpine was a good audit question or not, and that's why I didn't say "These questions should be verified first" originally. I just asked for clarification. If you think that there isn't any reason to add research details, I'll say that I disagree (because of guidelines that tell you to include research), but I will leave it be because I don't want to start a long argument in the comments. — Lakshya Raj 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
@Michael - My take is that SO is (entirely intentionally) not a professional space oriented around programmers but a public space oriented around programming. — Rounin 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
Relevant, important and interesting video in a now deleted, related question. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lakshya Raj
@cigien: I certainly wouldn't ask the OP to say "i found nothing online", but I would encourage searching online and including what you found, not just directly ask them to say they didn't see anything there. I hope you're understanding my point here, but if you still don't, I don't want to pressure an argument about what to add or leave out. Thank you for trying to understand and helping me understand. — Lakshya Raj 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
manual audit validation or a softer form of an option to challenge an audit were already proposed before — gnat 20 secs ago
 
7:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
Personnally I think the system should take upvoted question, and then put them as basic question for some reviewer to check if this should be used for audit. And according to reviewer of this "possible audit", choose if use it or not (to don't disturb mod) — Elikill58 42 secs ago
 
7:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@Elikill58 well, knowing that many users hate audits, they will robo-review them to not be included as audits... — Andrew T. just now
 
 
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9:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
I wish "delete" was not called "delete". It doesn't actually delete the post. It just removes the link from your profile and points URLs to a page not found page. — Someone_who_likes_SE 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
As for the downvotes here, don't worry about them. They don't affect your rep, and child Meta sites do not have question bans. — Someone_who_likes_SE 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Someone_who_likes_SE they do have quality-bans but you have to make a real effort to hit one. See meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86997/…rene 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
Another thing that is minor, but IMO still worth considering. If you are trying to view a stack overflow page from Google translate, content in backticks is not translated. I try and put everything related to the code (variable names, keywords, etc.) in backticks as a courtesy to people who might be trying to use Google Translate to translate from English to their native language. — jrh 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@E_net4thecurator I notice you voted to undelete this one as well. I'm not sure why we need to have multiple MSO posts about the exact same youtube video. Do you intend to try to reopen that one instead of this one? I can see the advantage of that, it is phrased more constructively. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Now I want to edit the title to be Feature request - Carrot Bounty — philipxy 13 secs ago
 
9:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"A message saying, "I looked around SO and the internet but couldn't find any answers" or "There's this question, but none of the answers work in my situation" or even "There were no good answers when I searched for them"" that's not actual research effort, though. That's a phrase that should not be in the question to begin with because it doesn't mean anything. — VLAZ just now
 
 
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11:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@KorganRivera Since you have an objective scoring formula, this might be on topic at Code Golf. But don't hold me to that. Look into their rules and norms more. — jpmc26 58 secs ago
 
11:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Korgan Rivera
@jpmc26 Appreciate the heads up. I'll check it out. Thanks. — Korgan Rivera 31 secs ago
 
11:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I was sure there was also a feature request that Share Feedback shouldn’t cause a failed audit but I may be thinking of when it was called Leave Comment. I can’t seem to find it here or on the main meta. — BSMP 55 secs ago
 

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