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12:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
That's not the type of Question meta is for. It's about discussing policies about the site and such. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
 
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1:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shadow
I'm not a fan of mapping... the small space reads as "map ping" to me. — Shadow 45 secs ago
 
 
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3:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
"Anyway, happy to hear your suggestions and the beratement of my shirt"-- on that note, I plead ignorance of the benchmarking business, but WRT the t-shirt, I'm not sure that that adds anything useful to your answer, only slightly distracting whimsy. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheGeneral
@HovercraftFullOfEels removed :) — TheGeneral 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
I don't use C#, but for Java I think the constructive thing to do would be to close as a dupe of How do I write a correct micro-benchmark in Java?, and add a comment explaining the specific mistake they had made. Here I'm assume that the mistake is one that is addressed in the canonical dupe target. I wasn't able to find a similar dupe target for C#, but that may just be because I'm not familiar with that tag at all. — kaya3 20 secs ago
 
4:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "All you need to do is Google the error message or problem description.": Most search results are poor. For some reason, it is mostly low-scored questions, with one or two insufficient answers. And no indication of where the canonical question is. Eventually the right question will be found among the 21,981,810 questions, but it is very inefficient to use Stack Overflow as a research tool. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
5:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
IMM the most important part of this close reason is "[it] was resolved in a way less likely to help future readers". So do you think someone in the future facing the same issue will be able to find this Q/A through search engines? I am not a SME, but from the look of it, I guess all it can do is attract people that will actually face problems with StringReader and these may get frustrated to find an answer unrelated to their issue. So you could edit the question to be more about the real issue, but then again, future readers would have to know that their issue was with the benchmarking tool. — Kaiido 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheGeneral
@Kaiido agreed, either way "Mysterious StringReader performance" is not the most appropriate title. The actual question should be 'Spurious results benchmarking with stopwatch in debug mode against (seemingly) the same code` — TheGeneral 20 secs ago
 
 
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7:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I think letting users retract their suggested edits is useful. A bit of a narrow case but useful. They shouldn't age away automatically, though. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
AFAIK, users can already retract their suggested edits by editing back to the original post. Granted, it's not that simple. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
 
 
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9:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"So I want to know what the best way is to ask a question at Stack Overflow that can accept opinions without being closed for being opinion-based" - step 1: change the site rules. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
10:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Indeed, it is probably best to avoid any kind of terminology that means in some form or another strange, weird, mysterious, etc. It just means you don't understand what you're seeing yet and thus haven't done the right tests yet. Posting a question in that "It's weird!" phase of your mental being is too soon. — Gimby 22 secs ago
 
11:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
It's not "ok" but there are certainly grey areas; the question being referenced was closed as a typographical error and generally it's not well received to answer such questions; they aren't going to be useful to anyone else in the future. The real problem is that there no need to comment on why you voted. — Larnu 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
As per the privileges page, you need 75 reputation. — Larnu 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
Heavily related, the accepted answer might clarify your concern here: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/404119E_net4 the curator 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
But the taking point to answerers here is to prefer answering good questions. The questions which are closed are the questions which should not be answered in the first place, so with or without those downvotes, the question might even get deleted, alongside any answer. — E_net4 the curator 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user438383
I probably wouldn't downvote such an answer, but you could argue the answer counts as being 'not useful', since the question is so poor that it won't be searchable / useful for anyone. — user438383 51 secs ago
 
11:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
It looks like you bountied your last question as well. Are you aware that bounties are subtracted from your reputation? — MisterMiyagi 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
There is a decent duplicate target that could have been used: Prompt JavaScript If Else Unexpected Token else. Got it with this query in Google (well, Startpage but it uses Google) Unexpected token 'else' javascript site:stackoverflow.comVLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
That was an April fools gag for 2018. It wasn't really meant to be permanent... — Suraj Rao 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Three Year Old
@Larnu Thank you! This is helpful. You should post this as an answer. And the information should be added to the help center article. — Three Year Old 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Three Year Old
@JeanneDark It does. Thank you! — Three Year Old 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Three Year Old
@MisterMiyagi I am. Thank you anyway! — Three Year Old 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@ThreeYearOld to be fair, the information is already linked in the help center on the 2nd paragraph, "attach it to any question as a bounty" link. — Andrew T. 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The privileges page is linked to in the help center too, @ThreeYearOld . — Larnu 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Three Year Old
@Larnu Well, but the article What is a bounty? How can I start one? does not explicitly state that at least 75 reputation points are required. — Three Year Old 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
No, but neither does the page like Why is voting important? tell you you can't downvote until you have 125 rep, or upvote till you have 15 rep. The details of when you specifically get each privilege is on the privilege page; that makes the most sense. — Larnu 1 min ago
 
12:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Honza Zidek
@SurajRao I know that. However, as Google has its Google Doodles Archive google.com/doodles, I'd enjoy having something like this here :) — Honza Zidek 28 secs ago
 
12:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
Can someone know if we can't give reputation to yourself ? Like self-answer and accept it ? — Elikill58 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
If you really must, you can use male bovine fecal matter. — Peter Mortensen 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stone
@TheMaster Ah ok good to know, thanks. I will try to increase my reputation. The few questions I wrote so far got only downvotes and I cannot really imagine how one can ever reach above 10k reps, but I'll try not to lose faith on the way ^^ — Stone 1 min ago
 
1:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Well maybe some day Stack Overflow is about what we enjoy, but right now... it really isn't. — Gimby 31 secs ago
 
1:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
You've fallen victim to the SO positivity effect. If you write it in a positive tone, you get upvotes, and if you write the same thing but without all the positive rambling, you get downvotes. You'd have gotten like 50 upvotes if you'd written it with a bit of positive rambling. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
It doesn't really matter whether the answer is yes or no, does it? Regardless of the outcome, it won't change how people are going to choose to do their anonymous voting. You have quite a bit of freedom to be a part of the problem in that arena, it is a side effect of the system in place. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
Suggestion: Instead of voting to close for some reason, create a canonical "How to Benchmark" Q&A, and then use that are a dupe target to close the Q's against. Saves use from regurgitating the same info, and lets people with gold badges close with a single vote saving others their close votes. — NathanOliver 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Google Doodles are selfcontained, though, one of the great things about the Stack Overflow April Fools jokes is that they're integrated into the site (such as the ultra dark mode and the time machine) which means they'll likely break over time. You can try your luck on archive.org, though, most April 1st things are eternalized there. — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
There is too much information in the help center, you can't approach it with an "I want information to come to me" attitude. You have to be willing to go look for it. However, meta.stackoverflow.com is quite good at making information come to you, usually reading one meta post brings you to everything you need to know. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@ShambhavGautam I don't do positive, I do extremely blunt honesty. Far too many people feel threatened by that, but I have learned to ignore such naysayers. — Ian Kemp 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jsejcksn
Ask it on Meta disguised as a question about where to ask it. — jsejcksn 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Honza Zidek
@DonaldDuck Your comment would be acceptable as an answer :) — Honza Zidek 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jvarela
I don't agree with this answer. We really should have a way to dispute the close votes before they are closed. Sometimes people tend to follow what other people suggest if there is no active dissent. If that is fair, why do you in court have the chance of hearing to opposing views. This close vote mechanism should be improved. — jvarela 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
@skomisa - Thanks (sincerely) for the feedback. I'll make a change to reflect that. :-) — Philippe ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
@jfs - I'm sorry, I'm lost. Can you provide context? — Philippe ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
The one user uniquely qualified to answer this question! :) — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
Very reliving to know that the population of truth sayers here is not endangered. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Philippe jfs likely meant "staff" in "staff feeling" - referring to the clear division of "staff" and "community" without the sense of being "one team" (I sincerely hope I did not misinterpret). Maybe "our thoughts" or something might smooth things up? I am sure the abovementioned is not what the prefix was supposed to convey. — Oleg Valter 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
@OlegValter Philippe reads these conversations. I've read every comment here so far. :-) I'm purposely not weighing in yet on many of them, to allow time for the community sentiment to settle. (FWIW, I agree that CM involvement is not scalable. There are several ways to handle that - add more staff, use tooling, etc - but I agree on the problem.) — Philippe ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
In this case, someone created a tag we really don't need. I made it a synonym with [caret] (which itself might be too granular). In the future, it's worth asking if a new tag is useful or not. The lone question with it was asking about a single feature of Visual StudioMachavity ♦ 25 secs ago
 
1:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I'm not sure what you're asking here. What do you think is sabotaging your question? Are you saying that because your question isn't getting many views (which is inevitably will now due to the meta effect) it's being "sabotaged"? The question likely isn't getting views because the title doesn't interest anyone that watches the tags it is tagged in. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
How do you think sabotaging your views would increase their revenue? — Warcupine 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@Larnu No, I'm proposing a theory that SO is secretly manipulating question feed(it's not possible while watching a tag but is possible with the home page). The home page thing is already corporate enough, I'd expect it to be used for corporate purposes. — Shambhav Gautam 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
As far as I know, self answered questions are treated exactly the same as all other questions. Most questions only get a couple of views before they are burried under the newly arriving questions. Only questions that are often found by people who google about a problem get tons of views. Views on the SO homepage are neglectable compared to view received from people with the same problem who find the question. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
"I suspect a secret sabotage in the system here" . Based on what specific evidence? Seems like just a conspiracy theory to me for a topic with little interest — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@Warcupine Because self answered questions aren't going to be as engaging to the average SO rep hunter, it would be better to deprive it of views. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Eh... Most initial views are from people that want to answer the question. It's self-answered and people can see it has an answer, so it's logical there'll be little of those. Long-term views often come from Google and links and it's far too soon to say anything about those. As long as your self answered question fills a need (something that was hard to find/figure out), those will come — Erik A 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
CAn you supply evidence for this theory, @ShambhavGautam ? If not, it's not a theory, it's an unfounded claim. — Larnu 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@charlietfl Yes, it's a theory. I'm trying to discuss the likelihood of this theory. Organisations steal user data secretly, nothing makes this more unlikely in SO. There is also statistical data which correlates with the theory. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Because self answered questions aren't going to be as engaging to the average SO rep hunter, it would be better to deprive it of views. Based on what? A question can have more than one answer posted. A self answered question is no exception. — Suraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@SurajRao But it's less likely to be answered by the rep hunter as it's unlikely to get accepted or be the centre of attention. — Shambhav Gautam 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
For example I could make the unfounded claim that the reason you made this question is to cause the meta effect on your self answered question, so that you attract views and upvotes. With no evidence this claim has no basis. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Also , since you have posted it here. Please be aware of meta effectSuraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
How are the "rep hunters" increasing SO's revenue? But that's why they take the trouble to sabotage your question? And that's also somehow connected to stealing data? — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
Wouldn't these rep hunters have the rep to reduce ads, so if your entire goal is increase ad revenue then catering to the people bringing in the least revenue would be less than effective. — Warcupine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
This tactic of reducing question quality would be financially profitable. How?? I don't understand how this is supposed to work? — Suraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Questions attract views over time because people search for similar issues through google from my experience (anecdotal). This claim of yours is therefore not making any sense to me. — Suraj Rao 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@SurajRao I thought people would just have a quick look and get lost because people in the meta go to such questions everyday and it'd be unefficient to pay a close look at everything. — Shambhav Gautam 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
You almost got a Tumbleweed badge if the question is not answered and not retired. And no, it's not just you. There were like 1.1m users who had a similar experience until June 2019 (when it's finally retired). — Andrew T. 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@Larnu Any meta effect that my question can receive is negative as this question is SO-negative and quite "stupid". There's a thing that doesn't align with your claim but every statistical thing on SO aligns with my claim. I seriously think it's real. — Shambhav Gautam just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
"every statistical thing on SO aligns with my claim". Can you mention one? — Suraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"I seriously think it's real." Then evidence it, @ShambhavGautam, otherwise your claim is as good as mine, and I actually will think that the only reason you made this "question" would to try (ab)use the meta effect to get a positive reception on your linked question. — Larnu 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@SurajRao The trend of accepting bad questions into the mainstream(especially in python), the trend of not accepting very theory-based and hard questions into the mainstream. If you ask an overly hard question, it's not going to get normal views but low answers, instead it'll get low views and low answers. — Shambhav Gautam 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Well I am sure some regulars in python tag could counter this. None of what you say is statistical data... Also, less answers may be precisely because it is hard and low views can simply mean it is not being searched for that much by people... — Suraj Rao 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
You have clearly selected "Oldest" as your sort order in that image. — Larnu just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Just say "a const" instead of "constant". The latter is awkward and confusing to parse while reading. — TylerH 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
"you wouldn't put varant or Intant, would you?" Well, no, but that's not how constant is being used. Equivalents would be variant and integer (but the practice is still wrong overall). — TylerH 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@JeanneDark No this is a new idea which I came up with after reading the answer to the question you pointed to. — Shambhav Gautam 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
So you complain about acceptance and visibility of bad content (The trend of accepting bad questions into the mainstream...), but want to make downvoting harder (and revenge downvoting trivial)? Should upvotes without a comment also be banned, because they give no reason why it's good? — Jeanne Dark 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
Please don't make the mistake to equalize downvotes with hate. — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@VLAZ Your comment seems like it is introducing a little bit of confusion. "Const" isn't a word in English... so it's not really correct to say "you add 'ant' to the end of 'const' to form constant"... you don't do that, you just... write the whole word, which is 'constant'. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I would rather describe this as "like Jeff's, but better/more accurate", rather than "different"; you both largely agree on the main points. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
"No no, I'm not serious about the conspiracy theory. I just wanted to provide a practical example for this question" . That means the whole discussion in your other meta question was a farce. I don't think see why it would be useful. You can delete it if you wish... — Suraj Rao 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@JeanneDark No. The question that I asked before this one doesn't reflect my views. It's just a demo. I just want to improve downvoting with my idea and people are saying it's a duplicate of another question which isn't even a feature-request. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
"So, because I was so hated on meta, someone downvoted me on my Stack Overflow question..." Votes are a content-rating mechanism, on MSO and on SO. They don't indicate hate, just that people found your contributions not useful. And when you discuss and link to your question on SO, some people may have a look at it and decide it's also not useful. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@JeanneDark If they didn't find it useful, I ask for a reason. That's the point of this feature request. — Shambhav Gautam 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
It's not a feature request, but an FAQ to explain to the OP's of such feature requests why they get the reception they do. — Jeanne Dark 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@JeanneDark You mean this isn't a feature request: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357436/…. My question(this question) is clearly a feature request as it is requesting a feature. — Shambhav Gautam just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Your question is a feature request, and that FAQ is the duplicate target for all the feature requests requesting that feature. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
@ShambhavGautam If you prefer a feature request as duplicate target, pick one of these meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/linked/357436?lq=1samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@JeanneDark But my feature request is a solution to why we can't have mandatory feedback. How does that not work? — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
Another thing maybe worth mentioning, SE knows that they (via their UI) are funneling new users to ask a question "right now", every page as a logged out user has the Ask Question button on it. That's what they are pushing for (not search). It's like somebody is whispering in their ears "This question doesn't help? Ask your own!", "Don't see your question on the front page? Ask your own!". Whereas what it should be saying is "Keep reading, the content you want is probably here somewhere." — jrh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz But non of those feature ideas are the same as mine. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Does the same apply to upvotes? Do upvotes disappear if you edit? — Suraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
@ShambhavGautam Sure, there are tons of them. — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
Obligating curators to return to the question at the OPs convenience is a hard no, it is a frankly awful proposal. — Warcupine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Your new idea is not a significant change to what the other feature requests request and it's not an improvement. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@Warcupine The current situation is no better than this. Right now, downvoters are also morally obliged to return back. I don't intend the obligation to be anything more than moral. — Shambhav Gautam 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@JeanneDark But it's still unique. How is it a duplicate? — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
The reason why your an all other such feature requests are bad ideas is simple: Users should not have to waste their time on low quality content, but on writing good answers and questions. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
I suggest you go through the list of issues in the duplicate target answer and check for each of them if they collide with your feature request. Especially bullet points 2,3,6,8 need to be addressed by your proposal. Not to forget that you don't handle cases where multiple comments are the reason for the downvote, that there currently is no system that informs voters when the question has been changed, and that votes on comments not necessarily correspond with the voting on the question. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
I can assure you I feel no moral obligation to hand hold people through a well documented process they can't be bothered to learn. — Warcupine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@JeanneDark Exactly. If this feature is implemented, you could simply upvote a comment and forget about it. The one who wrote the comment may also forget but should not because of morals. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
And those who post downvote-worthy content have no moral obligation to not do so and waste visitors' and volunteers' valuable time? — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@Warcupine So you want to keep your downvotes on people who might not have understood the whole thing but now do? The problem might even be technical, in which case, the answerer fixed the issue, learnt a new thing and there's no damn problem. Why keep the downvote. If someone thinks that the downvote should be kept, they're free to do so(technically speaking). — Shambhav Gautam 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@JeanneDark Are we robots? Don't we get stuff wrong sometimes? Yes you are obligated to fix your low quality content, but in return, the downvoter is also obligated to fix their vote. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
I downvote a lot of questions / answers, it's not feasible for the people curating to keep tabs on everything they touch. There are so many garbage questions and so few people curating them. The onus simply must be on the question askers. That is just math. We are also volunteers, the person asking wants something, I don't want anything but interesting questions to peruse. — Warcupine 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@BDL Pointing out flaws to the proposal is always welcome but I'm not going to be dealing with that right now because I obviously have much bigger issues. Okay, I'll check those duplicate targets. — Shambhav Gautam 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Other problems: -When a user account gets removed all their comments are removed too (would that invalidate all downvotes that used it as a reason?). - Users can delete comments at any time, removing a comment doesn't mean that the issues was really solved. - Automatic comments are also automatically removed (e.g. duplicate message), how will it be handled when they are used as a vote reason? — BDL 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@BDL When a user's account is deleted, it also invalidated the user's votes. We already have that problem right now. — Shambhav Gautam 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Indeed. We're not writing for fourth-graders here, IMO Stack Overflow content should be written like you would write a paper. The constant highlighting is nothing more than hindering the reader with constant brain-hiccups, highlighting words within words is doubling down on the hindering, what are you trying to achieve by doing that I wonder... I think people take programming optimisation and start to apply it to text. — Gimby 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@ShambhavGautam: But with your proposal, you are not just invalidating the votes of the deleted user, but also the votes of other users which were unlucky enough to pick one of the comments of that user as a vote reason. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@Warcupine I know, there's a lot of garbage on the site and most don't ever get fixed. But there's a minority who're trying to learn and help others. It's not good to leave someone's question or an answer which has been fixed downvoted. Especially answers, an answer gets a downvote because it's missing some point or is slightly wrong. If the answerer has learnt and fixed the post, it should be downvoted. I don't even downvote any post which has potential to be improved fearing I'd be unable to reverse that. Well, 2 reps aren't much but when a community keeps on -2 your rep, it's a problem. — Shambhav Gautam 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@BDL Yes it's a tradeoff. Every fix is a tradeoff. I just believe it's worth it. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
What would this... do, to, prevent what you thought happened or make what you thought happened less of a problem? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@KevinB Most users fail to undownvote their vote after the post is fixed. This would fix the issue to a certain degree. This would also stop users from downvoting out of vengeance like in my example question. I literally sacrificed my ability to post questions for another 6 months for that example.. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@ShambhavGautam: I don't see the tradeoff. From my point: It's more work to downvote, my votes are no longer anonymous (aka, more revenge voting), I get more work because I have to maintain the votes (for how long?, what if I'm no longer active), I might loose valid votes due to some other users action. And it makes up and downvotes asymmetric. The advantage: A user how didn't invest enough time in first place might get rid of some downvotes, although edits to downvoted and/or closed questions almost never happen and even less often fix the problem. — BDL 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Assuming people simply found your post not useful or poorly researched, (similar to how you're assuming they were for "vengeance") comments would be... pretty useless in that regard. The help center and UI already inform you what downvotes are for. — Kevin B 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@BDL Yeah, you just made me realise that this doesn't fix the issue of voters failing to reverse their vote, instead making it more dramatic. This does fix vengeance voting but isn't worth it. — Shambhav Gautam 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
How would the system know if an edit actually addressed such a comment? Or any edit clears downvotes? — Suraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
Users don't fail to undownvote, it is not their job. If a post was improved, other users who come across it, can upvote instead. — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@KevinB This example is clearly vengeance voting though. 2 downvotes, no reason. They may not actually be. It might just be a sub-conscious decision with no malicious intent but it still bad. — Shambhav Gautam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz That is a very good ideology but won't come true unfortunately. — Shambhav Gautam 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It's not actually that clear. You posted your question to meta, which draws eyes to it. There's no rule that people who find a question via meta can't vote on it. — Kevin B 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Rauch
A lengthy discussion of undownvoting has been moved to chat. — Stephen Rauch ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
The duplicate already answers why this feature request isn't feasible, you aren't bringing anything new to the discussion here... — Cerbrus 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
"So I want to know what the best way is to ask a question at [Site X] that can accept opinions without being closed for being opinion-based" ... Choose a [Site X] that allows for opinionated content maybe? — Jonas Wilms 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"So, let's say, there's question X. To downvote X, you have to upvote comment Y. If the author of Y thinks X has been improved, he/she may disable it which will reverse your vote." - Why are only downvotes required to be explained. Why are you singling out downvotes? Downvotes are equally important when compared to upvotes. I could not disagree with this feature request, if this was implemented, I would immediately start removing my contributions. — Security Hound 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Must have not been that great of an answer considering it was deleted in the last 4 hours. — Security Hound 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Bowman
@Tyler: Right, I am here establishing the rule that we should honor modification but not coincidence nor expansion of abbreviations. The dismissal of varant is meant to demonstrate the inapplicability of -ant as a suffix, not to suggest that the OP would have used that in earnest. — Jeff Bowman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
But it's not getting closed "as a typo". That's one of the reasons for picking that option; the more general version of that close reason is "[it] was resolved in a way less likely to help future readers". e.g. wrong benchmark methodology, not a real effect of the sort described by the question title. Still, as suggested in comments under this meta question, closing as a dup of a benchmarking-methodology Q&A would be appropriate. (Such as Idiomatic way of performance evaluation? or a language-specific one.) — Peter Cordes 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Feel free to upvote this comment so you can downvote in good conscience and everyone can then be happy because we've now improved things. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@JeffBowman I don't think anyone was under the impression OP was using "ant" as a fixed suffix for data type keywords. It seems pretty obvious const is followed by "ant" because the word in English is "constant". In other words, OP is just... finishing the word. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Bowman
@Tyler I believe that despite the author's intention, it reads initially as though they were using "-ant" as a suffix: their intended word expansion of const doesn't land because of the language change implied by the formatting, which would lead the reader to understand this as a morphological boundary instead. Based on your other comments, I think we largely agree here: I'm using the phrasing to demonstrate the applicability of my rule, not to misinterpret theirs. — Jeff Bowman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Yep it's clear, you don't like how Stack Overflow works. It is not going to change just because you want it to, though. It is not a matter of needing it to change, it is a matter of learning to live with it. Voting is anonymous, some people will vote for less than reputable reasons. Fact, cannot be fixed because that is how people are. In fact it is pretty much by design that it is possible, because the voting system is basically designed to not make a very important factor impossible - namely to have your own voice, not in any way altered, ridiculed or forced by someone else. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
Aren't developers by definition computer geeks? — CherryDT 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Summit
@CherryDT Certainly not. There's a huge range. Some computer geeks are geeky even by computer geek standards. And computer protramming (and related fields like web development) are now mainstream, so there are plenty of people — including I suspect a large fraction of the people asking questions on Stack Overflow — who are not (and would rather not be called) computer geeks at all. — Steve Summit 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@SecurityHound it was deleted 40 minutes ago by the post author. The final score it had was +2 / -5, so it seems like a Meta Effect after effect. I agree it wasn't a great answer but there is only so much to be done with the question. — VLAZ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the definition of "computer geek" has become very ambiguous by now, I feel like people in the more technical spectrum have a different definition (that often doesn't include themselves) than people from different fields - which is why I think many non-developers would call developers computer geeks, while - as you just proved - many developers would not. — CherryDT 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@JourneymanGeek - Perhaps you could define "that's" as it is a rather vague reference. People liked the Careers function, it was fairly highly upvoted during the profile updates, I think it is at least a neutral addition. Jobs is profitable, and it honestly probably helps people. So, perhaps you could clarify your stance of it not being new to go deep in the red to force features on the community with the sole reason being to inflate revenue. All of the previous projects at least attempted to provide the community a benefit, while also attempting to generate profit; even Documentation. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Summit
@CherryDT people in the more technical spectrum Now that is a lovely, lovely coinage. :-) My point was just that if you're writing a Stack Overflow answer, you probably shouldn't assume that the OP is as much of a computer geek (however you define the term) as you are. — Steve Summit 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Yep, that's certainly problematic, but what can be done about it? If a user has repeatedly shown they are unable to adapt to the norms that exist here, and have exhausted all of their chances to redeem themselves, how could we ever have a self-help solution to that that involved anything other than doing better the 2 times a year you get a chance to ask again? — Kevin B 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
no, this isn't specifically about being lifted out of a question ban but rather about regretting your first questions when you didn't know much about the site and programming, hence created very useless questions, if it werent for those, which i absolutely cant fix by editing, i wouldn't have got a question ban at the first place. @kev — logic 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
The system has no way of forgetting your past contributions, I'm afraid. You will just have to be patient and write a better question on your next chance. — E_net4 the curator 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
that i can not lift myself out of a question ban with a question that is vote-neutral ( my latest stackoverflow question ) — logic 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
"Downvoting [...] questions without a comment should be banned" Better watch out, some users have been suspended for bringing that opinion in an excessively obscene manner. — E_net4 the curator 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
The fact Software Engineering is missing from this answer is disturbing. — jpmc26 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Deleted questions, score <= 0, contributing to the question ban: 1 2 3 4Zoe ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
This question was not phrased as a feature request, by the way. But even if it was, it would bring the question: how can you truly assess that someone has changed for the better? They might still not have a great grasp on how to create good quality questions, thus only aggravating the situation with an eventual pardoning. — E_net4 the curator 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
You can even keep it more concise than the original, saying "make it const" instead of your suggestion of "make it a const". That sounds grammatical to me, because const is something variables or methods can be. — Peter Cordes 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
@E_net4thecurator there is a huge distinction between my latest questions in the all stackexchange forums and my first questions in stackoverflow — logic 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"in the all stackexchange forums" The sites in the Stack Overflow community are very much not forums. When you treat them like a forum, you end up with a question ban, and people that do often end up providing low quality content. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
that was just a case of miswording, and no, never have i thought of this site as a forum, rather, i simply didnt know how this site ran when i started programming — logic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
@Zoe i have changed the tags of this question so i think it would be absolutely great if this post was re-opened — logic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
@logic What is the site feature that you are requesting? Your question at the moment seems to be "Please remove my question ban", which is a) not a feature request, and b) not something that anyone here can actually do, as it's entirely automated. — F1Krazy 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
What is the feature you are requesting? That old questions age away for the question ban? — MisterMiyagi 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Bowman
I'm not sure our opinions actually differ here. I say "here are the undocumented observed rules about where you can break a word boundary" and yours seems to be "here are concise alternatives so you don't have to break a word boundary". They seem complementary to me, your text just weighs the readability cost a little heavier than mine does. — Jeff Bowman 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
@F1Krazy it is not really a personal request, but rather as a feature suggestion to how question bans are made so, the thing is, i didnt know much when i just joined this site and i know a bit now, hence my latest questions in all stackexchange communities, those, however aren't enough to lift myself out of my question ban, and my questions were so stupid that they literally can't be fixed — logic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
The necessary information for asking good questions is on the How to Ask page and the various links from that page. This is presented as part of the Ask Question routine, and is available in the Help section. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
@HereticMonkey i literally have no affect to myself that lived 2 years prior, altough i know "How to Ask" better currently — logic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Is it possible to regain "Question rights" without waiting 6 months" - there is a communication error here. Your ban does not get lifted after 6 months. You merely get an opportunity to ask a question. That question, if well received, may lift your ban. But it also may not. The exact criteria are kept a secret. — Gimby 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
the thing is, the fact that i have a question ban right now is not because of my questions that i wrote with my current mindset, but is because of my questions that i wrote when i didnt know anything about this site & programming, my latest questions, in my opinion, fits in to this site, like thislogic 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I thought we already had this. I'm in the LQP, and when I recommend deletion on a link-only answer, I get an option that says, "This is a link-only answer (and not spam)" “While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes.” — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"rather as a feature suggestion to how question bans are made so, the thing is" - What exactly is your feature suggestion then? As it's currently written, it seems you are trying to justify your question ban. Except what most users are having problems accepting, is the fact you were warned, before you reached the question ban threshold. While the quality of your questions have improved that does not remove the fact you have a history of asking poor quality questions in the past. All you can do is continue to ask well received questions, eventually, you won't be question banned.Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@JeffBowman That's fair. I said that my opinion is different mainly because your use of green checkmarks makes it look like you're endorsing some things which I am advising against. If you just meant to describe what seems to be accepted by the community then perhaps I misunderstood. — kaya3 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
and that's what the problem is, i didnt know how to properly ask questions in this site before and those old questions put me at danger of getting a question ban at the slightest downvote — logic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
also thanks to those who upvoted my old useless questions, your efforts have lifted me out of the question ban, atleast for now, many thanks — logic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
I wrote a full transcript of the video, for posterity and potential debunking from the community. — E_net4 the curator 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Upvoting 'useless' questions to get someone out of a ban is immoral:( — Martin James 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
...if not actually against SO rules/policy:(( — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
i mean, i didnt ask them to do so, so its outside my responsibility, however i think holding someone accountable of their questions back when they didnt even know anything about the site is a bit bad too — logic 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@E_net4thecurator Perhaps add that to the question? A lot of users mentioned that they're not willing to watch the video, so having a transcript would help (thanks btw), and should make it easier for the question to be reopened. — cigien 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
IMHO, those votes should be invalidated and the voters treated appropriately. — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
@cigien It's a bit of a long one, but it can be done. Whether to edit it into this question in particular is a matter of whether Wim consents with using this question as a host for responses to this video. — E_net4 the curator 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Not 'knowing anything about the site' is indefensible. There is the tour and help. It is not anyone else's problem if you did not avail yourself of the resources offered to all new use....accounts to learn before posting. — Martin James 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@E_net4thecurator Actually, I only meant adding a link to the gist. Pasting the entire contents would be a bit long, you're right. And yeah, I guess Wim should decide if they want that; currently the question is only asking where to post recommendation questions, as opposed to looking for responses to the video. — cigien 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
they didn't do anything on my demand and used their free will to upvote my previous posts, maybe out of pity, however maybe they compansated for the lack of possible upvotes my posts could have gotten, but haven't got due to inactivity in those said posts? — logic 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
well, there i hop into my time machine to tell the 2 year younger me to follow the guidelines — logic 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
New users who post before checking the FAQ should be banned. — Martin James 1 min ago
 
6:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
I see this as a microcosm of a bigger issue: The feedback options available in First Answers aren’t aligned with the range of common problems we see with first answers, many of which are supported in Low Quality Answers. Ideally, this would work similar to Late Answers, which duplicates the delete reasons from LQA. @Ryan M suggested this feature when the new queues were released, but I think it got overlooked relative to the larger bug it was being suggested in response to. (At the time, there was no “I’m done” option.) — Jeremy Caney 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
Jobs triggered off 2 series of restructuring. So it was hardly a success. SE has failed a lot, so it's absolutely nothing new to chase a new shiny product and loose track of the folks who could use it. That said I don't think that having product placement and commercial partnerships is necessarily always to the determent of the community... SE has just blown a lot of credibility trying to do that in the past. Doesn't mean they will or won't do it with collectives — Journeyman Geek 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"and that's what the problem is, i didn't know how to properly ask questions in this site before and those old questions put me at danger of getting a question ban at the slightest downvote" - You have shown, through your recent actions, this absolutely is NOT the case. It will take more than 2 well receive questions to lift your question ban. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
In addition to Link-Only Answers, the two I’d really like to see: Code-Only Answers and Answers on Established Questions. Neither are necessarily a reason to delete, but they’re both an opportunity for feedback, and are really common in the queues. — Jeremy Caney 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
This question is a a feature request, not a question about why feedback isn't mandatory. Read the second part of the title: "why are ideas suggesting such negatively received?" The linked Meta post explains why feature requests like this will not be implemented. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 
6:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Bowman
@kaya3 See my edits just now, including to the above-the-line summary: My checkmarks are more about demonstrating the rule than fully endorsing the behavior. I've likewise linked to your answer for alternatives. — Jeff Bowman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@NathanOliver: There's already Idiomatic way of performance evaluation? which is not language-specific, recommends using a benchmark framework for whatever language, and points out some pitfalls of micro-benchmarking on modern CPUs. — Peter Cordes 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"Technically, closing that question as a typo is incorrect..." Or even technically correct, because in release mode the results are not reproducible, or are they? — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"...if the question was worded differently, maybe with a more descriptive and concise title, would it be a little more useful to Stack Overflow?" Only if there were a real effect, i.e. if under relevant conditions (release mode, overhead of benchmark subtracted), there would still be a significant effect on speed. Then the causes could be analyzed. However, in the current form it's unclear if there is even such an effect. — Trilarion just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Just so we understand your problem with having difficulties finding guidance: You asked 11 questions in total and you didn't notice the bits I marked with a red free hand circle when you were writing your question? If that is so: what would need to change there so you would have noticed, read and followed the guidance offered there? — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@Elikill58 The FAQ answers that one too: "You cannot award a bounty to your own answer." — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
@JohnMontgomery oh thanks I didn't see it — Elikill58 30 secs ago
 
6:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
What do you mean by "answers on established questions?" Are you talking about late answers on questions that already have good answers? — Stephen Ostermiller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@JourneymanGeek - This isn't SE as a whole though, this is just Stack Overflow, and specifically a facet of content creation which is a critical aspect of the site. I am not saying "no product placement everywhere" here, just that articles specifically should not include them, for a whole host of reasons. I would be happy to talk to you in chat about the differences between Stack Exchange history, Stack Overflow history, and associated costs, revenues, and profits, but let's not discuss it here as it is for the most part tangential to this post. — Travis J 41 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by logic
i started following those circled in stuff, earlier me did not however, and if i did follow those guides back then, i would not have even asked those questions, as i was just new to this site — logic 55 secs ago
 
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