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7:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Where are you in the world, roughly? It might be a stale cache at Fastly. — rene 27 secs ago
 
7:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JOATMON
I am in Austin. — JOATMON 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JOATMON
The issue has been resolved. — JOATMON 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Give them moderator status — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
7:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
How do you propose spam or pure vitriol is handled under this, just allow it to sit for X minutes? — Warcupine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
I think the big question this raises is to whom would the question be visible? Obviously, the goal of downvotes and closing is to remove poorly conceived content from e.g. the homepage quickly. One might imagine an opt-in waiting room of reviewers that would offer initial feedback, after which the content becomes visible to the broader community. But isn't that effectively what the First Questions review queue is? — Jeremy Caney 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by smac89
@Warcupine moderators do not get this limitation imposed on them. Let them handle that; that's their job — smac89 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
How long should we wait for a poster to clarify a question before closing? - pictured here a question we should wait for because maybe it turns out great. — VLAZ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
If we can't flag we can't get mod attention, there are hundreds more posts a minute than there are mods on SO. — Warcupine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The purpose of closure is to prevent users from wasting their time answering an unfit question. Waiting until answers have been provided is counter-productive. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"moderators do not get this limitation imposed on them. Let them handle that; that's their job" moderators are not there on your beck and call. They have a whole queue to handle which (last I hard) was in the high three digits and occasionally the four digits. Moreover, they are volunteers. I find it highly disrespectful to hold them to a 5-10 minute SLA. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by smac89
@KevinB asking someone 5 different questions at once is also counter productive. This is a very rough suggestion, so a proper implementation should take into account spam prevention methods as well — smac89 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
Aside, I had previously proposed a Reformatory for Wayward Questions that would allow problematic questions to be placed in purgatory, giving the author time to interact with "community mentors" to resolve issues, and then resubmit them for review. If the author didn't interact, the question would be removed. What I didn't recognize at the time is that's not too different from how the closing and reopening system already works. E.g., when a question is closed, the author has the opportunity to respond to (any) comments, and then resubmit the question to be reopened. — Jeremy Caney 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
If a question has an issue 1 minute after it's been submitted, why shouldn't the community act on those issues immediately, why force them to wait 5-10 minutes. Won't this just simply force users to wait 5-10 minutes, to act exactly as they are current, after the question has been submitted? What about the question author, shouldn't they also be slowed down, in a case like this? — Security Hound 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Something that I think really needs to be emphasized here is that, like face-to-face conversation, the amount of time you have to think and refine what you say will always be before you ever say it. Unlike face-to-face communication, Stack Overflow doesn't allow for any way to say or suggest that you're still forming your thoughts, as for a Q&A site, this is inefficient. We are not all here waiting for people to ask us questions so that they then go on to have an interaction with us. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JK.
A garbage question is still garbage 10 minutes later. It does not magically improve by waiting. — JK. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
@JK.: I don't think the OP was suggesting that. Instead, they were suggesting giving the author time to respond to feedback without getting overwhelmed by their question being downvoted, closed, or deleted. That said, I also think Makoto makes a compelling argument for why that's, at minimum, inefficient on a Q&A site. — Jeremy Caney 57 secs ago
 
8:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
Yes there is: Close as "This issue can no longer be reproduced." — Someone_who_likes_SE 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
 
8:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wiktor Stribiżew
@TheMaster I do reopen posts I closed once the person who posts the question makes it either clear or unique/on-topic. There are few users who really care that is why this does not happen often. — Wiktor Stribiżew 50 secs ago
 
8:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
There is a grace period: the entire period before the question is actually posted. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 
9:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
When you say "resolved", you mean that you can no longer reproduce it? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
9:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
It might be unprecedented, but it certainly wasn't unpredictable... — Nick 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
What do you mean by that, Nick? — Andras Deak 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@AndrasDeak several predictions in chat for that event. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
I mean, a large portion of the voters care very little or don't even see the questionnaire, why subject yourself to grilling from people who do when you can just go through to the final stage with a blank slate. — Nick 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
I never made any last minute decisions in my life and never turned in assignments at the last moment… so maybe I support this question:) — Alexei Levenkov 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@Nick I understand why someone would want to game the system. But allegedly we're looking for mods who are "patient and fair", "lead by example" and "show respect for their fellow community members in their actions and words". Kind of the opposite of "gaming the system". We expect better from our mods, or at least we're supposed to expect better from them. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
how many sacks of rice have fallen writing this unnecessayr question — nbk 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@AndrasDeak Oh I agree that's what we should expect from them, but not everyone plays nice and any advantage is... an advantage — Nick 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
One might assume good faith: the candidate didn't know that the comments would be locked. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
One might assume good faith, but I don't feel terribly gullible today. — Andras Deak 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Maybe you can post your questions here. It might give some purpose to the existence of that Meta stub. — Cody Gray ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm trying to vote for who I think would be best as a moderator, but I can't find your avatar! What am I doing wrong? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
Yes, it's an issue. No, just because it's "legal" doesn't make it ethical or acceptable. It's not about my opinion. I know what I think. But surely you're aware that elections are largely decided by uninformed swarms of users who see notifications on the main site telling them to vote. If we don't even try to uphold the appearance of giving a fair choice, what are we even doing with the elections? But of course, if the community (by which I mean meta for want of a better forum) thinks this is fine then it's fine, and the site will be in the kind of hands that it deserves. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@CodyGray I hate you, take my upvote <3 — Makoto 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I personally would go in the opposite direction. Leave discussion to the election chat. — Kevin B 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@AndrasDeak: This is why I've been referring to the moderator elections less tongue-in-cheek as a popularity contest, since, well, it's usually the more popular or more prominent candidate that gets nominated. Going back to my example about an assignment due at 11:59PM, if someone gets it in by 11:58:59PM, they are still on time. What you really should be looking at is if they answered the questionnaire (to your satisfaction), or if their actions in moderating with the tools that they have indicate to you that they'll continue to do so or do better with diamond powers. — Makoto 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
Only candidate with the sportsmanship badge, isn't it ironic. — Michael Szczesny 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
We fundamentally disagree so I don't want to drag this thread out any longer, so just one last point: the "tactical" move I object to is not along the "capable mod" axis, it's along the "responsible mod" axis. If (when) a moderator screws up, they'll have to answer to the community. They should. Some always do, some never do. I want the ones that always do. A mod candidate who sidesteps meta scrutiny for selfish reasons (because there can only be selfish reasons) I expect to give the same cold shoulder when they need to be held accountable by the community. — Andras Deak 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@AndrasDeak: It sounds like you've got the data points you wanted from this candidate's nomination. I literally do not know what else I can tell you here. — Makoto just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Something in me says this is the perfect candidate. He knows the system well enough to game it ... might be handy for hunting down sock puppets. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
"Remember: An assignment that is due by 11:59PM Sunday evening can take submissions all the way up to 11:58:59PM." This is not really a good metaphor. A homework assignment typically does not affect the future of your classmates in the class or school system, and your classmates don't typically review your homework assignments before you turn them in. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@TylerH: My point is that everyone here is making a whole big deal over the technicality of when the assignment was submitted, not what was in it. My point is for people here to make a concerted effort to evaluate the candidate on their merits, not when they nominated themselves. Note that I'm being meticulously careful on this point, since I feel like a lot of people want to jump on a bandwagon and either laud or crucify a candidate for some specific reason, when the simplest thing may be to...just...not vote for them...if you think this is unbecoming of a moderator. — Makoto 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@rene You convinced me. Moved him to the top. Hope he wins!!! Andras, If the system can be gamed, don't blame the gamer, blame the system. — TheMaster 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Sadly people are stupid and cannot be trusted to vote correctly. We'll have to exterminate the lot of them. — user4581301 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by smac89
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica not true, and it seems you didn't read the question. The grace period I'm talking about refers to after the question has been posted, and I clearly stated the reason for it. It is very obvious that this type of grace period I'm referring to does not currently exist on SO (or any of the exchange sites). Questions are treated as if they are immutable, which encourages the community to automatically assign a pass or fail score to a question which still has a chance to clarify its goals. The grace period encourages discourse in place of cancel culture mentality — smac89 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Benjamin Hodgson
Thanks for reporting this! It was caused by the same bug as meta.stackexchange.com/questions/370955/…, I've posted a lengthy summary of the issue over there — Benjamin Hodgson ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Braiam it is a clear duplicate: " what is an article that I might have written one" is defined in the announcement post (albeit I agree with samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz in that they do not seem to know what they are talking about either) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@user4581301 why exterminate, when you can assimilate? We have perfectly serviceable Collectives. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Some might argue that anyone foolish enough to volunteer for a non-paying job (for that is what it is), one where the amount of responsibility greatly outweighs the amount of power isn't quite fit for any job :D — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Perry
If any post deserves the helpful flag for being helpful, it is this one. — Chris Perry 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@HovercraftFullOfEels Aren't we all?(volunteeering to do non paying job of answering, reviewing questions, cleaning SO's mess) — TheMaster 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
@TheMaster: of course you're right, and we're all a bit nuts for dedicating our time and energies to this quest, but for moderators, it's a matter of degree. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 48 secs ago
 
11:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Which questions should have this new tag? Please edit your proposal with examples. — Cody Gray ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Why do we need an image-js tag? Please include examples of questions on which this tag could be used, and be sure you've read When is it appropriate to create a tag, and how does it work?Heretic Monkey 49 secs ago
 
11:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Smith
Meh, if there is an expectation that nominations must be submitted a certain time period before voting opens this should be enforced by the system — Martin Smith 1 min ago
 
11:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
In a way, this is what I think Triage should be for. Asker asks weak question. Reviewers, who have sufficient rep accumulated in the question's tags, return the weak question with advice on how to strengthen it. Asker makes edits and resubmits or walks away and the question dies unposted. If the question is a dupe or has an obvious solution, it can be handled at triage. Sadly if the edit queue gets bunged up, so will super-triage. — user4581301 1 min ago
 
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