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12:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@Scratte I edited it out. Next time put your comment as the edit summary, — 10 Rep 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@10Rep It requires 2K reputation points to edit and there are no suggested edits on meta. I'll remove my comments. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gbianchi
The edit is just clearly bad for non english speakers... ultimate is not the same as final in develop terms. — gbianchi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@10Rep Let me know if you decide to remove your comment too :) it's seems a little out of context now.. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
12:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
To be honest, I liked when functions were colored in Blue rather than Orange. — 10 Rep 58 secs ago
 
1:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ShadowRanger
@StackOverthrow: On the other hand, nothing would stop them from removing the posting and posting a new, identical posting afresh. If the goal is to look like a hot, limited time offer position, I can definitely see recruiters doing that if the "real age" is made more apparent. — ShadowRanger 9 secs ago
 
1:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Crowman
@ShadowRanger: "nothing would stop them from removing the posting and posting a new, identical posting afresh" - well, StackOverflow should stop them from doing that... — Crowman 1 min ago
 
1:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ShadowRanger
@Crowman: Aside from manual search, how would they stop simple changes to defeat hash checks? Even if those are implemented, how long is it before the same posting (perhaps for an identical position) is allowed again? And more importantly, is the problem really worth the effort it would entail to stop it? — ShadowRanger 36 secs ago
 
2:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
it's google to highlight.j. Though why we made the change, I don't know. Prettify was perfectly fine. — 10 Rep 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Crowman
@ShadowRanger: At an absolute minimum, they could take action and sanction offenders when this behavior is detected and flagged, just like almost all bad behavior on this site is already dealt with. As to whether it's worth it, the age of a job posting is material information which matters to potential applicants, otherwise it wouldn't be there at all, so it's worth it by definition. The appropriate alternative is to remove the posting age altogether, not to deliberately permit misrepresentations to be made. — Crowman 1 min ago
 
2:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
What? They just have to change --highlight-namespace var to whatever they want. It's definitely possible to change this, and even maybe even simpler know. — Kaiido 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
More than consistence with the old days, I'd rather ask that these colors are made consistent everywhere, in today's product. StackSnippets editors are still using (yet) an other color scheme. — Kaiido 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
What? They just have to change --highlight-literal var to whatever they want. It's definitely possible to change this, and even maybe even simpler know. — Kaiido 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TigerhawkT3
@Cerbrus - It's not hypothetical at all. Someone was bothered enough to make an edit to OP's answer. That's why we're here. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the editor was trying to make a sincere improvement rather than just trolling (a possibility I mentioned in my previous comment). — TigerhawkT3 2 mins ago
 
3:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
Any indications of malware on your OS or browser? That would be my first suspicion — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Of course it can be changed. Simply a matter of using different css stylesheet rules — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by egerardus
Maybe I can ask github where the request originated from? — egerardus 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by egerardus
@CertainPerformance Nothing I could see off the bat, AV seems to be behaving normally but I will poke around some more. — egerardus 1 min ago
 
3:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
Rather than making it configurable/customizable and introducing decision fatigue, I'd prefer if they just kept the sensible default we've been happily (speaking for myself...) using as suggested here. — ggorlen 1 min ago
 
3:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@charlietfl Yes, but we cant change it, can we? — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Actually you can if you use a browser extension like Stylish. But question isn't necessarily about users changing it. Last sentence can just as easily be interpreted as a request to SO devs to do it — charlietfl 39 secs ago
 
4:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
It seems to think you're trying to create a new account instead of using an existing one. What does the login for Teams look like? Is there a create account button near the login button that you might be clicking on accident? Or maybe you're using a password manager that's auto-filling and submitting the wrong form? — BSMP 22 secs ago
 
5:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@TigerhawkT3: No. The editor isn't bothered by those words. He made that edit in the name of the hypothetical reader that might be bothered. — Cerbrus 19 secs ago
 
5:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I wonder why programmers would use the phrase ultimate or final solution anyway? How can anything be ever final in programming? I could always continue. — Trilarion just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Stack Exchange is a C# shop, so a Python request is less likely to be to have come from there. Are you sure you never used the same password and email account anywhere else, like adobe.com, any time in the past, that has had their database leaked? Because script kiddies are perusing password leak databases all the time to see if those leaked passwords can be used in other places. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
It is a pity that you deleted the account however as you could have seen the IP address of the account that logged in with Python in the Github.com security log. That would have told us much more. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 28 secs ago
 
6:21 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TigerhawkT3
@Cerbrus - I don't get that impression from the edit reason. The editor seems understanding about it being unintentional, and they didn't include an angry rant, but they do seem uncomfortable with the phrase. — TigerhawkT3 29 secs ago
 
6:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
Regardless of your question, I have two suggestions: 1) Do change your password on SO (especially if you use the same email address for the GitHub account) because that particular password appears to have been leaked. 2) Use a password manager so you don't have to remember (and reuse) passwords. — 41686d6564 12 secs ago
 
6:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
Personally I don't see any reason to delete that question, but I think it's a bit over the top to assume the people who voted to do so did it to "squash a noob". In the spirit of the CoC it's also nice to assume good intentions even if you disagree with people's actions. — ivarni 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Holger
@Cerbrus those 2 English words are not only contextually different here on SO, they are an arbitrary choice of a translator for the actual German term. Any synonym to those 2 English words would be a valid translation too. So if we assume that “ultimate solution” is a valid synonym to “final solution” (I’m not discussing that), it would also be a valid translation of the German term we try to avoid. So it’s entirely pointless to edit a post, to replace those English terms by a synonym. It would be an entirely different thing in German though, where we can replace literal matches by synonyms. — Holger 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
One thing that takes a bit of time to learn is how to provide debugging details. Just saying some code "doesn't work" is virtually meaningless without mention of errors thrown, what part does work vs what part doesn't and what steps you have used to try to troubleshoot. The fact the code was obfuscated is probably what set off the down voting. If you had posted the formatted original source version it would have helped along with the debugging details you would have had a better chance of success — charlietfl 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
Please don't downvote this question even if you think the original question should be downvoted, closed, and deleted. This question is an attempt to ask for guidance and to improve. Let's please not discourage that when the OP clearly put a good effort into the question trying to seek guidance. — 41686d6564 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
"In the spirit of the CoC...": Were you suggesting I should assume their good intentions? Doesn't the reverse apply to me? Shouldn't they have assumed my good intentions, and tried to give me and my question the benefit of the doubt? Like I said, does the CoC apply to me or does it or does it not apply to them? — MehBMe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@MehBMe When users vote a post, the intentions of the author are irrelevant. Of course the voters can "assumer your intentions were good", and yet find the post not useful. — yivi 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@MehBMe The action of downvoting/closing/deleting posts is not inherently malicious. So, those who took that action don't need to assume anything. They voted based on (how they judge) the quality of the question. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
So, please give me some guidance on how I may further improve the original question, and get it reopened. I don't think it's a useless question. — MehBMe 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TaW
the opportunity for people being hurt Hm, that sounds rather telling to me. — TaW 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
On top of that, as stated your question is a "yes/no" answer, and apparently you already know that the answer is "no" for Firefox. Maybe you should redefine the question to "how to accomplish X". — yivi 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
The other main issue is it is not absolutely clear what you expect the code to do. There is mention of "complex urls" in title but then only vague discussion about "the original link" and neither of those concpts gets detailed or linked together. A more detailed explanation of exactly what you expect the code to do would also help — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@MehBMe As a first step, please edit the question and post the original code and make sure it's well-formatted as suggested by charlietfl above. The question may get reopened and undeleted if it's improved. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@41686d6564, I'll try... I'm a bit hampered by the fact that I wrote this code some time back, and IIRC, this snippet (the encoded version) was generated using another script I wrote. But since I've had a disk failure and lost some data. Not sure if the original code is available anymore. — MehBMe 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
So...from reviewers perspective nobody could read the code, nobody know exactly what it is for and no specific errors mentioned. Far too many unknowns for anyone to even be able to guess at advice. Other users did what is expected for such a scenario, vote to close — charlietfl 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
If that's the case, how would you fix it even if you knew what causes the issue? — charlietfl 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@charlietfl, I think I already explained that this code is supposed to redirect to a mailto: url, and that this wasn't happening, and the link was opening in a new tab, but not being navigated to... So what I expect the code to do is just redirect to a mailto: address. The original link was linked to in the initial version of the post, but I later included it inline within the post. It's the encoded javascript: url. — MehBMe 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Somewhat explained it but vague terms like "but the link isn't parsed and handled" are not absolutely clear and definitive. I have no real idea what that means and can't read the code either to understand more — charlietfl 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Does this answer your question? What is the meta effect?gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
@MehBMe If you believe someone else is in breach of the CoC that's really not a good argument for not following it yourself. The question was at a -5 score, people might very well vote to delete it to save you from even more downvotes. They might also have believed it is not possible to edit it into shape. There are several explanations that are more likely than that they did it out of spite. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@charlietfl, To fix, I would be trying to alter the 1st level decoding I provided. — MehBMe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I'm sorry, but I do not even understand what do you mean by "redirect to mailto:". There is no such a thing. Maybe you need to edit your question to better explain that as well? — yivi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@charlietfl, I was trying to explain that the behavior exhibited by Edge is the expected one, and the behavior exhibited by the latest Firefox versions is not expected. "but the link isn't parsed and handled" means the link is not being navigated to in new Firefox. — MehBMe 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@yivi, I meant redirected to an address of the form described in: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mailto. I used the word redirect, because I was setting window.location to a new url, effectively a redirect. — MehBMe 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Ok... what is source for the link? What is it's value? What troubleshooting have you tried? Errors? etc. Try to de-minify more the level 1 code so it can be put into formatted lines also. — charlietfl 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
That's not a redirect, MehBMe. A redirect is generally a 30* header. At worst, a refresh html meta header. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Not really, I don't fully understand what you want to do. I'm just telling you this because if you do not ask the correct question, you won't get a good answer. Usually asking the right question takes you halfway to the answer. — yivi 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@yivi, Do you know the correct term for what I'm trying to explain, if not redirect? — MehBMe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
A 'mailto:` link should simply open a new email in users default mail program — charlietfl 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
I would never run code I can't fully read...most others wouldn't either — charlietfl 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@charlietfl, That's what I'm trying to achieve. To open a new email in user's default mail program. If someone just tried the link in Edge, or Firefox 70.0, they would have seen this for themselves. Can you help me better phrase my question? — MehBMe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
mailto: is a protocol, just like http: or https:. It's an instruction to the browser telling it what to do with the URL. For the HTTP protocol it will open a webpage, for mailto it will typically refer to the OS and usually cause the default mail application to be opened. I'm guessing someone aiming to answer that question would already know this though, even if you refer to it as a redirect. Including a code snippet in the question would make it a lot easier for people to actually see the problem. As it stands "just trying the link" in Edge/Firefox is a bit of effort. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
I was trying to figure out how to improve my question further, but it seems edits are no longer being allowed, because the question has been deleted. — MehBMe 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
@MehBMe Deleted posts can still be edited, and then flagged for undeletion. — F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
That's wierd, you should be able to edit a deleted question. I know I can. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I'm not going to run some encoded javascript that you refuse to reveal the full source code of nor the way it was encoded. You expect me to trust you and your code while we hardly met. I advice to create a new minimal reproducible example with full code, include how to encode it that reproduces the problem on your end and then we might have a question that is worth keeping around. At the moment it could as well be an awesome hack. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@rene, I'll try. I thought I wasn't allowed to edit because I received this: "This post has been deleted - no more edits are allowed" while I was still typing into the question body. Maybe it's a glitch with the autosave. — MehBMe just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Do you get an error when you click the "edit" link? Or when you click the "save" button? What exactly do you get? — yivi 19 secs ago
 
8:21 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Leffler
There are over 3,000 questions that are selected by 'is:q "final solution"' on Stack Overflow. There are over 7,000 answers that are selected by 'is:a "final solution"'. The OP's question is making a mountain out of a molehill, and there are many other mountains and even more other molehills that should be dealt with more urgently. — Jonathan Leffler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
Is the current edit any better? Should I undelete? — MehBMe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Passer By
@khelwood It probably wouldn't be years ago. The current climate is... sensitive to social justice issues. How is this social justice? This is a textbook scenario of being "inclusive". — Passer By 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
In case anyone's interested to see, here is the OP's very similar answer on another question, with the contentious phrase in a giant headline. — khelwood 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
This would be relevant if the OP's use of "final solution" was an intentional reminder or record of historical events; and that does not seem to be the case. — khelwood 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
Thanks for the suggestions. I was hoping for a temporary workaround until the bug is fixed in Firefox, which may take time, if it's indeed a bug and not some security feature gone bad. If it was a feature and if they decided they're not going to fix it, I would still need a workaround, that's why I asked. Ok, so I won't reopen the question for now, but will monitor the Bugzilla for some time. — MehBMe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christophe Lambrechts
I also ran into this problem today, but to mee it seems that it only happens on tabs that are open for a long time (couple of days). After a restart of the system and also Chrome, the everestads.net subframes even don't show up. — Christophe Lambrechts 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
What I cannot understand is why all these 'toxic' users are still bothering to try and help you at all. How/why did you jump from 'my question was downvoted and closed' to 'the community is toxic'? — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
The bugzilla bug provides such a workaround. — Robert Longson 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I'm not sure what the message of this is supposed to be. Is it "snippets and ES6 are important and should be promoted ASAP", or is it "JS deserves more effort than other languages"? It might be worth dropping one of the two to avoid getting unrelated flak. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Passer By
In case anyone is interested, this whole "words are violence" nonsense has its roots in postmodernism. People literally believe that words may cause them physical harm, and the only criteria of defining which words are violence is their own perception. This latter idea is called "standpoint epistemology". — Passer By 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@MartinJames it shows your age, sorry. Calling someone or a group "toxic" is the modern way of saying "Hello, nice to see you, how is your day?" — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
I see what you meant now, but I had added the target="_blank" attribute to the link so the original (home) page wouldn't get replaced. That's still a requirement. So removing the attribute isn't really a proper workaround. It still doesn't provide the desired outcome. — MehBMe 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
What is the purpose of this question? You're not looking for support, and the self-answer is filled with your own personal opinion... — Cerbrus 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
That's due to external agencies submitting HTML. Report the ad itself not post here. — Samuel Liew ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@MartinJames Sorry, I didn't mean to offend any of the genuinely helpful users. But I have been downvoted before for reasons I did not understand. I believe in open dialogue, conversation. I believe that can go far... — MehBMe 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jay.sf
@SamuelLiew As said all ads are affected. Thus, for companies processing ads on SO might be somewhat intransparent. — jay.sf 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
My thanks to everyone who showed up and expressed their help, suggestions, advice, feedback. I appreciate your contribution towards making this community better. — MehBMe 1 min ago
 
9:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Is this answer helpful? Perhaps the posts you tried to edit were less than 10 min old ("You are not logged in and the post is less than 10 minutes old.")? — Jeanne Dark 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin
Did they improve the post though? its relatively probable that someone else could have negative connotations with the phrase "ultimate solution". For example, changing black list to blocklist; that could have negative connotations for people who sympathized with the hunger strikers that died in the H block prison. Should I edit block list to something other than blacklist and blocklist because I know both could have negative connotations. Where do you draw the line on edits like this? In software, final solution is a known, self explanitory term with 0 connotations. — Kevin 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin
My other problem with edits like this is "ultimate solution" does not translate to "final solution". For people who speak English as a second language; final solution is a known term in the software world. Ultimate solution is less clear, to me at least and can lead to confusion. To me I would interpret the "ultimate solution" as looking for the most performant solution, which is different to how I would interpret someone looking for a final solution — Kevin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@Jeanne No, I tried old and new posts. I also checked that the queue is not full and that the post isn't locked. — 41686d6564 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Since you praise Reddit: something similar has been tested on Stack Overflow, but it that behaviour doesn't seem to work on Stack Overflow. Might be caused by the facts that Reddit and StackOverflow work differently, have different rules and different purposes. — Tom 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
... And this is why it's problematic to dump a question on Meta, and then go out for a walk. — Cerbrus just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
Also, @MartinJames, to clarify, when I said toxic, I was referring to things like how some users keep downvoting even this question. Not sure if they dislike my question or how the discussion is progressing. gnat's meta effect reference made me empathize even if I don't understand the reason behind said effect very well. — MehBMe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@10Rep "only" 10k. What you were thinking about is probably to be a trusted user, at 20k. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Bonelli
Let me just add my two cents here and say that it's unbelievable to me how anybody would like having the same color for function names (puts), variables (stdout, NULL) and integer constants (-1) the same. Let alone the same color for types, keywords and preprocessor directives. — Marco Bonelli 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
I don't see that button either on SO (but on other stacks). — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
In that case there is no workaround for you. You'll just have to wait for the bug to be fixed, or fix it yourself like I do. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
 
10:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Posts need to be over a certain age before editing is available to anonymous users. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
The link is also hidden if there is an edit in the review queue for a post already. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@MehBMe is it possible ppl downvote cause they are tired of being labeled toxic for the wrong reasons? As soon as a new user doesn't like ANYTHING that happens on the site, they get demeaning, rude and insulting. You can sympathize with the meta effect. Can you sympathize with ppl like Rene, ivarni, Charlie, who help despite the toxic label, and will still be labeled toxic by at least half a dozen rants before this week is ended? — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeusz Kopec
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Subrato Patnaik
How to run java snippet in StackOverflow? As we can run HTML, CSS, and Javascript in StackOverflow — Subrato Patnaik 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
FWIW no repro on macOS version of the same browser. — Kaiido 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@Martijn I've covered both of these points in the question (in the bullet points and the screenshot shows the age of the post) and also another user was able to reproduce. That being said, I just checked now and the link is back so perhaps this was a temporary bug/glitch or something. — 41686d6564 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@41686d6564: you are not the only user on your network. Did you check with all of those to see if anyone has been making dodgy anonymous suggested edits lately? — Martijn Pieters ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
Yes, the link seems to be back. I did check this post and tested all those cases before posting as I've already mentioned in the question. This might've been a temporary bug, which might still be worth investigating. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
Nope, that could be it. That being said, I did actually suspect this might be the case (because I'm using a VPN) so I disconnected the VPN and tried again (before posting the question) and the behavior was consistent. Now, that the link is back, it's back on the same network as before. You're still right though, I can't be 100% sure; it might have been a temporary IP ban (although quite unlikely that both IP addresses were affected). — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@Patrice, when I referred to "squash the noob", I meant the way people seem to be prejudiced against new users. Why assume new users are all bad? "As soon as a new user doesn't like ANYTHING that happens on the site, they get demeaning, rude and insulting": Do you put all new users in that category? What happened to benefit of the doubt? And, yes, I can sympathize with people who get called toxic for no reason. I DO appreciate the efforts of the genuinely helpful people. But as a new user, did I deserve being downvoted? I wonder. — MehBMe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
Also, I am in fact the only person using my network (when not connected to a VPN, of course). — 41686d6564 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Nick: 31 comments, so well over our 20-comment-auto-flag limit. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
How many comments were actually exchanged? Are you aware that the post automatically gets flagged for moderator attention if there are too many? — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@41686d6564: but did you clear the cache before loading the page again? There's a lot of caching going on, especially for anonymous visitors to the site. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
I have given the community an opportunity to prove that they are not toxic by their actions. Check the downvote count on my posts. Was I wrong to label the downvoters as toxic? Did I ever sound unfriendly at any point in the discussions? Yet, I was downvoted. You may decide if my opinions are validated. — MehBMe 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mech
If auto flag means moderators look over the post, why was it decided that it was extensive if the comments were deleted? Seemed unnecessary. — Mech 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
If you mean the browser cache, I was on an Incognito window. I did close Incognito before switching to my original network, then opened it again to retry without VPN (AFAIK, that equals fresh cache). I'm not saying your theory is wrong though. You still could be right. If it was indeed an IP ban (on the VPN's IP address), the system probably has a way that someone using that IP has switched to a different network and "extend" the ban. In fact, that's the most probable explanation besides a bug. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
FWIW, I'm part of the community too. All I can do is try hard not to be toxic myself. If this wasn't on record, would it have motivated others to try to be better? Maybe this will make a difference. — MehBMe 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mech
I disagree as OP needed more than what they thought to prevent security issues, all posts aren't perfect and if we are holding that standard, this whole site should be perfect. There was a flood, which was then deleted by the time of mod intervention. No flood at that time, no cause. Comments would still have been necessary given the crash course in new code. — Mech 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I must admit I find it a little puzzling as well. When users clean up their comments, it's a bit strange to lock the post for "extended discussion". It's almost like Stack wants users to count their comments, and when they reach 19, have users post a new Answer just to avoid the automatic moderator flag. That hardly seems like a good solution. — Scratte 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jared Smith
@Woodsman post it on Unix & Linux Stack Exchange. In the future if you have "which stack exchange can I post this on" type questions, recommend posting them on MetaSE rather than MetaSO. — Jared Smith 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
It is important to remember that Stack Overflow is not a tutoring site, it doesn't offer the tools to do that and if someone has more than minor issues with some code, then Stack Overflow and especially the comment section isn't the right place to resolve those. Now, since the issue seems to be resolved, you can think about updating the answer to make it more clear, so someone else might not have similar issue like OP had. — Tom 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
But, what's the problem of the post being comment locked now? There is no harm done, is there? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
'I have given the community an opportunity to prove that they are not toxic by their actions' what!! Are you remotely serious? You think that the burden of proof is for some group to prove that they are non-toxic????? You expect that the skilled and experienced developers on SO would fall for that tactic? You should stop those irrational and unproven allegations and insult as some may find them offensive. I don't give a PHP about what you have to say anymore. — Martin James 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mech
This post is clearly going to be closed but beforehand, understand that it's the principle of the matter. Chat wouldn't work and collection comments aren't allowed. Perfection isn't a thing. — Mech 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
In my experience, being IP edit banned lasts an entire week. Unfortunately I can’t remember what that looked like, if it actually showed the edit button or not. (Ps it’s extremely easy to get blocked like this without doing anything wrong; in my case it was an automatic ban based off the content of the suggested edit—reviewers never saw the edit.) — Laurel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Because your question is posed more like a rant about a specific post, and not as useful feature-request. — yivi 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mech
Why not focus on the suggestions I've made where you can get conversations going and educate people with their question and with using the site? — Mech 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@MehBMe I mean... Didn't you come here and labelled everyone toxic at first chance? I just call what I see. Routinely, new users come to meta and lash out at everyone. Yes, we can be better. But it won't be by you assuming ppl are out there 'to get you'. I'm sorry.... 'I call you toxic and if you downvote me for it, well you prove my point. It's like saying 'youre argumentative'. I either say 'yes I am' or 'no I'm not'. Both points have me look like argumentative. 'youre all toxic' : upvotes = ppl agree. Downvotes = ppl are toxic. I see no win. — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mech
My post specified the problem. I presented a solution. How are either of those suggestions not useful? — Mech 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@Patrice, I didn't mean that as a blanket accusation. As in everybody, though in hindsight, I can see that some may have seen it that way. Like I mentioned before, I was referring to the downvoters, specifically. I didn't make that statement in my previous question, yet that too was downvoted. I just thought, maybe I was wrong, that there was a prejudice against new users in particular. — MehBMe 1 min ago
 
11:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better
@Mech regarding "Comments would still have been necessary given the crash course in new code." which is why the question should be closed. The site is not geared towards writing tutorials, which sounds like what the OP needed, but rather geared towards much more specific Q&A. — DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
I can see that maybe I'm not communicating my thoughts very well. I don't wish to offend anyone any further. I won't post any more comments here except possibly in response to further comments. — MehBMe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Only the ads for that company though, not all ads for all companies. Random proof: stackoverflow.com/jobs?id=440232Zoe 1 min ago
 
12:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@TadeuszKopec Don't get it. What has final in C++ to do with the term final solution? Is a solution using X an "X solution"? My take on "final solution" is that it is some kind of definite answer. I don't really believe in definite answers in programming. So, even if final solution wouldn't have any connotation, I would doubt that it's the right choice anywhere. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Well thanks for providing this week's meta post about toxicity though. They're always good to keep the blood pumping. Have you at least changed your mind about the dedicated site feature which is the downvote button, a button which is designed to in no way encourage people to explain why they hit it just like the upvote button in no way encourages people to explain why they hit it? It's all part of the design of the site, we're all just people using it as instructed. Have mercy. — Gimby 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jay.sf
@Zoe You might actually be right, my ads are all from the same recruiter. Does this mean that they are not using the job tool properly? — jay.sf 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@khelwood "... in a giant headline." The whole answer has such gigantic headlines. It's probably a matter of personal taste. I would make an edit and lower the size of the headlines to improve the post, but since it would affect the term discussed here, I'll wait. — Trilarion 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
It wasn't that long ago you requested module support, and there's an outstanding request to Promote Stack Overflow HTML, JS, CSS Stack Snippets. T.J. Crowder made a plea in Please Fix Stack Snippets last month. I think SO knows the current state of Stack Snippets is bad. I doubt more feature requests for the same feature will help. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marc Sances
Suggestion queue was full a few hours ago. This could have been the reason of the issue. — Marc Sances 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Indeed. Ping-pong sites are terrible for tutoring, you need dedicated blocks of realtime communication for that. — Gimby 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Does this answer your question? Support JavaScript modules in snippetsCerbrus 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
You could probably set them using a user stylesheet for the site. See Has somebody already created a user style of a more readable Stack Overflow? for example. You'd just need to target the classes added by highlight.js. — Heretic Monkey just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Number 1 isn't a website issue, it's a culture / user issue. Number 2 is a duplicate... — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
I would disagree about the "Guten Morgen" part. The term "Endlösung" is gone from the German language, using it outside of Nazi documentaries will have people staring at you wondering what is wrong with you. It's like a swastika. Sure, there are other legitimate uses especially in other cultures, but generally speaking, running around with one is not a good idea, if you don't want to be mistaken for a Nazi. It's not "just a random word Hitler used". It's a very distinctive Nazi ideology word. — nvoigt 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@AlexeiLevenkov that's one review. Go through a few of them. You'll see that the situation changes from review to review. The first one in my queue today was this one which does not show the tags by default, because it opens the view in a revision tab: stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/27243297Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
@Kevin How is "final solution" a known software term? I googled "final solution software" and nothing but holocaust pages came up. Wikipedia does not know about it either: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution_(disambiguation)nvoigt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Probably. They might've copy-pasted some HTML from their own website or another listing somewhere without checking that it worked here. It's most likely the recruiter's fault though, and not a bug — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
[Sigh] 'The final solution to this numerical analysis is returned when the difference in the result between two successive iterations is less than the precision parameter'. There, I made one up. — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MehBMe
@Gimby, Oh well, so this has become a post about toxicity from the original intent of asking how to improve my original question. I don't think I have ever actually downvoted anyone on any site, ever, only upvoted on occasion. Guess that's just me. — MehBMe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
When many users don't know about stack snippet and those are outdated anyway, then why keep them? — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jay.sf
@Zoe True, I've changed the tag. I am surprised, though, that there seems to be a lot of freedom in HTML use, whereas in questions that feature is mainly deactivated. — jay.sf 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@JonSkeet The road to hell is paved with good intentions. While avoiding terms that might offend others seems like noble thing to do, it can certainly backfire in the long run. Context is the king, and if we start dancing around words that might offend or hurt even when they are used completely out of context, soon enough we will run out of words. Different words have different meaning and carry different connotations to different people. We simply cannot cater to all. — Dalija Prasnikar 17 secs ago
 
12:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
@Zoe You really think you can extrapolate with 2 data points? There is no set schedule, but Maven 4 is quite close. It will also be a short release, basically a stepping stone to Maven 5. Certainly not 12 years. They were considering skipping 4 altogether. If you want to know more, this interview with Robert Scholte (project lead) explains. — Michael 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
@nvoigt, good point. This word is forbidden because of guilt the germans feel currently for their nazis past. It's cultural specific, local, let them be. What I don't understand is why "final solution" phrase, which happens to be just a translation of that bad german word, should be forbidden/censored? If german understand "final solution" as "Endloesung" and not as "finale Losing" its his personal problem. — Sinatr 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
The whole point of a major version jump is to be able to make breaking changes, to provide features or improvements that would otherwise be too disruptive. Anything which can be "under the hood" has already been done, or will be done, without incrementing the major version. If you want to know what 4 and 5 might contain, there's no need to speculate: youtube.com/watch?v=vw9ypxJWMnAMichael 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@Michael Well I add "overhaul internals but keep the external interface in-tact" to the list of reasons to do a major version jump. Just because you can make breaking changes, does not imply that it will be done. Interesting video though, thanks for sharing. — Gimby 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Ah, so.. the translation "Final solution" is bad. Is "End solution" fine? How about String final SOLUTION = "solution"; in code? — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Justin du Coeur
IMO, merging them is probably a good idea. While yes, the terms aren't technically synonyms, the distinction between the compiler and the language is mostly only visible to the folks deeply involved with it. In my experience, people asking questions are likely to think of the two terms interchangeably. — Justin du Coeur 1 min ago
 
1:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
Then enable anonymous comments, @Tom. — Rounin 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"Hi [answerer], your answer is wrong and you should know better. Please fix it". ... Then I'll wait for the revenge downvotes. This again is not an attempt to fix anything, just to know who downvoted to blame/harass them. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
Maybe time to review, unless you're happy with the Stack Overflow membership growth rate in 2020? (Which you might be - we all have different perspectives). — Rounin 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Comparing two different code snippets is not super useful; could you find where the bottom code snippet is and then show how it looks now instead of how a completely different snippet of code looks now? — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@Rounin "Then enable anonymous comments," Also already discussed ad nauseam and declined. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
@Tom What do you mean by "those are outdated anyway"? We can't remove StackSnippets because many users still use those. And editing the millions (am I overestimating how many people do use them?) of questions that use them would be hard. And StackSnippets are a way to run code snippets. They make HTML, CSS, and JS questions easier to debug. Although users do use them to hold things like Python code, Javascript code that can't run without some additional code, etc. — GalaxyCat105 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
They're both important. You won't have quality new members if you don't have any new members. — Rounin 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Yea, let's throw standards out of the window. membership growth is more important than having a halfway decent site. — Cerbrus 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@GalaxyCat105 I meant the functionalities of the Stack Snippet which miss some now common language features/modules. That "those are outdated anyway" is quite unclear, yes. The snippets can be used to help debugging, yes, but other sites, like the mentioned jsfiddle can do that too and since it doesn't look SE is committed to keep the snippet tech up-to-date, I wouldn't suggest to rely on them and use other sites for that, like jsfiddle or codepen. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
@Tom I agree with you, but instead of just a link to JSFiddle, Codepen, etc., the code should also be posted inside the post itself using either code snippets or StackSnippets. — GalaxyCat105 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
This answer on MSO covers similar ground. — snakecharmerb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@GalaxyCat105 That's correct and as far as I remember you get a notification about adding the code to the question, when you post a jsfiddle link without any code in the post. So that case should be covered already. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Samsotha
Java highlighting sucks for sure. Aside from black, it seems like there are only two colors being used. ughh. — Paul Samsotha 23 secs ago
 
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