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12:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stuartd
Touche @psubsee2003 but this community makes the SO sharks look like cuddly puppies — stuartd 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
Don't vandalize your own question — psubsee2003 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
Does this answer your question? Why are the answers out of order now?Laurel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
People disagree with your idea, you got some downvotes that don't affect your reputation. At least your aren't this guypsubsee2003 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stuartd
No, I don't care about downvotes. It's a hostile environment, and I don't see why I should participate in that. — stuartd 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
Are you referring to the downvotes alone? Because the comments and answer don't have anything hostile about them as your "sharks" characterization implies. — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
... Ok I'm confused. If you want to explain what you're talking about, I'll keep an eye on chat for any followups. — Davy M 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
I don't see anyone being hostile to you. To be blunt, disagreeing with you idea isn't hostile. You proposed what you thought was a problem. Other users said what they thought, People voted. — psubsee2003 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stuartd
Well @psubsee2003 it's all about perception, isn't it? The drive on SO to be kind to new users is about how they feel, not about how you think you behaved? — stuartd 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stuartd
It felt hostile. You dont see it as that. I'm happy to leave it as that, if you are? — stuartd 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
@stuartd but that's the point - how was anyone unkind? I looked at the chat, not one said anything unkind or hostile. They expressed their views the same as you did — psubsee2003 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
To be honest, I am trying to get to the bottom of why people feel SO is hostile. It's not about you or me or anyone else - just why. I would love to understand why your interactions here were hostile. I see you posed an idea. People responded mostly professionally with their feedback as to why the disageed with your idea. You got an answer that was also written without hostility. I'm not seeing any hosility. I understand you felt it was hostile, but what made it feel hostile — psubsee2003 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stuartd
Oh, I don't find SO hostile. But then I've been on it for ever, and I can see clearly why people do find it hostile. MSO though.. goodbye. — stuartd 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stuartd
Just as a final thought - I am trying to get to the bottom of why people feel SO is hostile - because people are mean. I try to be kind, but firm. — stuartd 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emragins
Just going to have to agree with others... I even tried to find sorting options on the page and couldn't... that missing <hr/> makes a huge difference to the usability for me. — emragins 19 secs ago
 
1:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@stuartd - please also consider the fact the comments are limited to 600 chars, thus making any half-decent explanation of the point alongside with clarifications or links very difficult to fit in, so a lot of people may forgo the pleasantries (I surely do for example) and make the comment look very blunt and, to some, hostile. Don't let the discussion evolve in the next MSO drama by leaving altogether. It is only beneficial to get ideas from those who care about the SO future - the only issue is that at such as a scale every proposal should (and is) be scrutinized and even nitpicked. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
2:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Bhargav, sure, that is one of the possibilities I considered - no problem with leaving as is. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
 
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5:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Rauf
Stackexchange app is currently also not available on playstore — Abdul Rauf 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Sorry for asking a noob question, but why is the question's being bumped to the front page a problem? I don't really understand the explanation. — 10 Rep 27 secs ago
 
5:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@10Rep it is less a problem with any question in particular getting bumped to the front page, and more a problem with 142 questions getting bumped to the front page at around the same time for no particularly useful benefit, which would push more or less all current content off the front page. — Ryan M 13 secs ago
 
6:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@RyanM Makes sense. Especially since a lot of these questions are not that great. — 10 Rep 50 secs ago
 
 
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9:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Make42
@Icepickle: No, I cannot. — Make42 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Make42
@PeterMortensen: You mean for the questions? Any suggestions? (I don't quite understand how this would help in this case - maybe you can elaborate what you have in mind.) — Make42 14 secs ago
 
9:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Yes, but you can't unless you reach out to them. And some users don't want help to improve their Questions, they just want answers, and will abandon their own posts once they get those in either Answers or in comments. — Scratte 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
The user interface tries to help new users when writing their Questions, which in my opinion should be very helpful to them. The help center contains a lot of information about how to go about asking Questions, but I find it to be in lack of a good overview, and it's pretty endless once a user decides to click the links. They may even find themselves on meta, which is an endless abyss of links. I've heard rumours that the process/help will be improved, but I've yet to see what the actual plan is. I made a "rant" once hereScratte 1 min ago
 
 
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11:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Update: the newer version that is incorporating the changes is pending review — Oleg Valter 45 secs ago
 
11:39 AM
Error while calling API: Read timed out
 
12:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Does this answer your question? Questions are posting twiceSuraj Rao 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
May I suggest you remove this one, as it's also posted twice? — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Twice may be a little low. This is from a user profile that I found from a Question I noticed was asked twice on the home page. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
the servers lagged for a short time massively — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drag and Drop
Well a little glitch in the matrix. — Drag and Drop 11 secs ago
 
1:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
It wouldn't be such a problem when people wouldn't press the publish button multiple times just because it didn't work instantly and when they wouldn't run away after asking the question, so they can't be bothered with deleting the dupes. But OP is guilty of that as well. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
Search prevents double posting and since that's down, it slows down posting leading users to think it failed to post and resubmitting the question... thus causing double posting. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
Since these are honest mistakes, please just duplicate close without downvoting. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
too late as seen in the picture — nbk 1 min ago
 
2:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bitmask
@TemaniAfif The question goes on to give a better approach, acknowledging that the OP's approach was correct, albeit slow. I see zero problem with that. — bitmask 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
your solution works fine --> this is not an answer — Temani Afif 1 min ago
 
2:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
What's achieved with deleting a correct answer, that could lead the OP onto the right track? Yes sure, the answers content is not quite explaining anything yet, but the correct action IMO here would be to recommend improving the description to the answerer instead of deleting and not giving any chance to improve. — Jonas Wilms 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
@TemaniAfif then teach how to teach how to fish? — Jonas Wilms 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
Wrt Flags haven't resulted in a reaction. three hours is a really short time span for any reaction overruling a moderator's decision. — oguz ismail 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
@JonasWilms answers arent generally mod deleted for being poor or even incorrect. There could be some other explanation or could be a mistake — Suraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
I like that approach - answering these questions can be formalized and verified with data, not abstract discussions on usefulness. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
2:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Just the reps, badges aren't revoked. — Tom 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
Do I have to expect that this is reversed and I lose the reputation and the badge again? --> yes unfortunately .. seems like some wanted to thank youTemani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
I guess I kind of agree with this except the binding badge holders decision part, there are only six users with google-apps-scripts golden badge, I don't think there would be enough diversity in the decision making process, i.e. you guys may easily gang up and abuse the system. And squeezing subject extperts there doesn't make that proposal any more reasonable, I can claim I'm a SME, who is to judge my expertise? — oguz ismail 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
Anyways, how are -dashboard, -quota and google-documentation on-topic on SO? — oguz ismail 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@oguzismail how are -dashboard, -quota and google-documentation on-topic on SO? I don't think they are. But here we are. — TheMaster 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@oguzismail I invited almost all gold badge holders to discussion. Only one showed up. That too he hasn't made a meta post/ answer even when pushed. Highly unlikely that we have unity. And that is just 1 criteria. They have to decide whether the concept is sufficiently different to warrant a branch. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@oguzismail - two of which currently actively participate in discussions ( btw, TheMaster, congratulations on the badge ). Proportional voting system based on a level of tag badge is a very good way to determine SME. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
Only one showing up means the others are comfortable with the current situation to me. I think you guys should get rid of those tags while there are only a handful of questions with each. — oguz ismail 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
@Oleg One might choose not to answer GAS questions and can still be a SME. — oguz ismail 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@oguzismail That'd be great. But even Oleg doesn't agree with me on that I think. We currently have a plan to go full meta for each tag here. :sigh: — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@oguzismail - re: documentation, actually it has one question now, the one I decided to create it long ago for, and it is on-topic in my opinion: stackoverflow.com/questions/62581313/…. That said, if it is decided to deal away with it, I won't be against it — Oleg Valter 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@TheMaster - yes, unfortunately, there is a couple of tags I disagree... But that is what the discussion is for, after all, and due process - so we do not iterate over and over again. Even if I won't like a decision on some of them, I will be content and happy if we did our best to discuss and voted upon what to do next. — Oleg Valter 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@oguzismail Exactly. It's pointless. Ruben started all this I think. By full meta, I mean full discussion on for/ against. — TheMaster 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
Meh, that'd be a waste of time. No one asker will bother with writing all those long tag names, you'll have to add them each manually. — oguz ismail 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
Not to hurt anyone's feelings, but I'd leave people with a weird obsession on these tags out of the decision making process. — oguz ismail 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@oguzismail - at least we will have a point of reference and potentially a consensus. So far we have several highly active users in the related tags that agreed on follow the rules if they are discussed and voted upon. I am a bit scared to hear about the idea of leaving anyone out of the decision process on a community-driven website. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
I've dealt with this specific account; there were other issues that needed addressing. The votes will be removed shortly. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@OlegValter I agree. It should be all inclusive and all voices who wants to speak should be heard. My contention is simply that this painful process was not undertaken when someone unilaterally created the tag and retagged. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@TheMaster I understand your sentiment too and fully agree. I guess there was none when this happened? I think we made big progress in making creation and edits (at least in one domain) a less vigilante-style one and more formalized one. — Oleg Valter 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
If you merge your account with another account, you may lose the badge. If I understand the process correctly, all badges are recalculated on a merge. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
That kind of contradicts with This should be voted upon by subject experts/badge holders of the tag.oguz ismail 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@oguzismail That kind of contradicts with This should be voted upon by subject experts/badge holders of the tag No. It doesn't. Subject experts decide whether a concept is sufficiently different. And I agree that badge holders should have more power. I disagree with silencing dissenting opinions. All voices should be heard. But decision should belong to stake holders, who actually visit the tag and answer. Public voices also mean moderators can override any decision made by badge holdersn — TheMaster 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
Again, the way you decide whether someone is a subject expert or not is unreliable, tag score doesn't make you a subject expert. I disagree with giving badge holders more power, given that even crap answers can easily garner a couple of upvotes nowadays. However, I don't think this discussion is going anywhere. Have a nice day — oguz ismail 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@oguzismail - why does it? I don't think my vote should count the same as the vote of sql gold badge holder (or even bronze for that matter) and expect the same from others in the matters of apps script. Who else can we consider SME's as not gold > silver > bronze holders? — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
4:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bravemaster
@Tom Thanks for the link. It's so hard to search meta questions. I searched "review suspension in meta stackoverflow" but that does not show anything both in Google and MSO. — bravemaster 1 min ago
 
 
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6:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
That's because it was renamed from "ban" to "suspension", you know, to not offend those who messed up and we're banned. Or suspended, whatever. — CodeCaster 43 secs ago
 
6:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
No, it is not allowed. You can improve a question, but not change its meaning/topic. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Tom Please do not post answers as comments. — Dharman 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@Dharman It shouldn't be postet as an answer either, this is a dupe question, someone just needs to look up a dupe target. — Tom 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Tom Is that good enough? — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@Dharman Yes, thank you very much. I also looked it up and found the same question :D. — Tom 28 secs ago
 
7:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rub&#233;n
Google Apps Script is not a language. The language is JavaScript. — Rubén 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rub&#233;n
Is there a FAQ about "LEGO tags"? — Rubén 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rub&#233;n
Is there a FAQ (or a related canonical Q/a) about "organical tag growth"? — Rubén 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nils Lindemann
When i tried that, SO wouldnt detect my account when logging in afterwards. The solution was to log off and on again) ... — Nils Lindemann 1 min ago
 
7:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better
You cannot completely change an answered existing question, and as you've been banned, you cannot ask another question until the ban is lifted. Your best option is to search the site for similar questions that solve your current programming problems. There is rarely anything new under the sun, and this is perhaps a great opportunity to exercise your Google skills for searching the site and extracting the information needed. — DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
 
 
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8:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
do you have a link also — nbk 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zhiltsoff Igor
@nbk which link shall I add? — Zhiltsoff Igor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
the revoew or question — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
post the link from the review — nbk 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zhiltsoff Igor
@nbk I cannot get this question posted (it is mine - not from the review queue), so there is no link (I hope, yet). — Zhiltsoff Igor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zhiltsoff Igor
@nbk do you mean there is a way to post links to unasked questions? I looked through the page and I found nothing but stackoverflow.com/questions/ask. Where can I get the link you are talking about? — Zhiltsoff Igor 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@ZhiltsoffIgor You might want to fix the title of your question so it's clear it's not talking about a review, but the question filters telling you that code needs to be formatted in the question. — Daedalus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
The confusion here is that you wrote "reviewer", so nbk assumes you have a post and someone doing reviews complained about that post. What you mean is that Stack Overflow prevents you from posting the question. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zhiltsoff Igor
@Daedalus sorry. How is this system called? — Zhiltsoff Igor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zhiltsoff Igor
@Tom the question filter writes: >Your question couldn’t be submitted Resolve 1 issue before posting; Your post appears to contain code that is not properly formatted as code. Please indent all code by 4 spaces using the code toolbar button or the CTRL+K keyboard shortcut. For more editing help, click the [?] toolbar icon. — Zhiltsoff Igor 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zhiltsoff Igor
@Daedalus thank you. I edited the post. — Zhiltsoff Igor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@ZhiltsoffIgor I think it's called a question filter, but I could be wrong. Either way, it's not a reviewer. — Daedalus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I've had this when there's not a blank line between text and a code block. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zhiltsoff Igor
@Scratte thank you very much! It helped. I will still keep the post up as it still seems to be a bug. — Zhiltsoff Igor 38 secs ago
 
 
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10:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Rubén well, yeah, technically it is more correct to be referred to as a scripting platform. I think TheMaster meant "tag", judging from the post? Re:q/a - good question, no I do not know of one, but I will look for (I only know of similar discussions on tags like git, that might ber helpful) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
11:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rub&#233;n
@OlegValter According to typescriptlang.org TypeScript is a language. I don't know how CLASP compiles it to JS (in this context that is irrelevant, I think). — Rubén just now
 
11:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Rubén - I did not mean to say TS is not a language, sorry if came of this way, I meant it can't be used directly in GAS projects: developers.google.com/apps-script/guides/typescript. — Oleg Valter 24 secs ago
 
11:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rub&#233;n
@OlegValter I mentioned and "if" regarding TS :) — Rubén 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rub&#233;n
@OlegValter I mentioned an "if" regarding TS :) — Rubén 1 min ago
 

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