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12:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Nobody knows unless the downvoter comments, explaining why he did it. But that's optional and discouraged. — 10 Rep 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
No one can tell you why others voted. I don't like guessing, especially with unfamilar technologies, but given the answer seems to be a link to a FAQ in the official documentation, someone maybe thought the question was too trivial and this not useful (which is one of the downvote reasons) — psubsee2003 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Does this answer your question? Why was my answer downvoted?10 Rep 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Youness Saadna
Maybe the downvoter want to earn a badge that needs a specific number of down vote to accomplish it? — Youness Saadna 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Youness Saadna
This Community is for beginners too, so there is no trivial question I guess? — Youness Saadna 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Youness Saadna
I am new here so I don't know a lot of things and I am working hard to follow the rules, getting a downvote for a clear question it's disappointing — Youness Saadna 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
One single down-vote is not something that you will want to rush to meta about. You will want to beware of the Meta Effect where asking a question on meta about a stackoverflow question brings additional attention to the question, possibly positive attention and possibly negative attention. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@YounessSaadna - Stop trying guess the reason. The badge you describe doesn’t exist. Badges don’t mean anything — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
12:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
Do you have some data to back this up? In my experience, users use irrelevant tags for two reasons: 1) They don't know that the tag is irrelevant (e.g., questions about c# also tagged visual-studio because the asker is using VS as their IDE). 2) They hope that their question will reach a larger audience when they use more tags. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@41686d6564 Which is valid, but there should be a popup that says, "Hey, this tag doesn't have many followers. Consider removing this tag", or something like that. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@10Rep Most of those tags have plenty of followers (the arrays tag has almost 36k for instance), not to mention all the false positives you'd get from niche technologies. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@JohnMontgomery I'm talking about tags like this. I have experience in tkinter, and this tag is completely unneeded. There should be a warning for this tag. — 10 Rep 6 secs ago
 
1:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@41686d6564 the later is rare, since I've seen questions that don't use the language tag when the question is plainly obvious about said language. — Braiam 19 secs ago
 
1:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Also, for what it's worth, this is the page of Sam Knox. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
You can temporarily fix it by deleting your real name from the text box in the "Edit Profile and Settings" section. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
 
1:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
It looks like you might've somehow triggered an account merge, and your chat profile isn't syncing properly... If that's correct, you could either wait an hour or so, or a mod might happen by and force sync the account. — Ryan M 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@10Rep you may want to not include the actual name in the comment, just link to stackoverflow.com/users/1833677 (which is a dead page). — Ryan M 1 min ago
 
2:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@SecurityHound What about the critic badge? — 10 Rep 1 min ago
 
2:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Yes, what you're thinking is correct. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ewong
Thanks @BhargavRao. I thought i was going crazy. — ewong 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
This happens when you recreate a partially deleted account, using the same IP. I have deleted the other chat account, you can join chat now. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Ouch, looks like deleting an account deletes the messages as well. I should have perhaps first taken a back up of the messages. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
That's perfect, let me delete the room. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Evorlor
@BhargavRao All good. That conversation was complete. Thank you!! — Evorlor 1 min ago
 
3:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ewong
I'm not sure this is a duplicate as that question asks what to do with users posting again and again; while this question asks about the after effects. But in any event, @BhargavRao clarified my issue. — ewong 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Yep, I closed it as a duplicate, as that post informs about what to do with such users. I can reopen it... but I don't think it is necessary to reopen, as the answer would just be "yes, that's what happened" :) — Bhargav Rao ♦ 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ewong
@BhargavRao ah thanks. No, don't bother reopening it. :) — ewong 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
There have been multiple cases of network-wide suspensions. Note, though, that these must be put into place by staff. Moderators can only suspend you from the site they moderate. And these types of suspensions are all manual, which is totally unlike the post bans, which are automatic and cannot be controlled by moderators or staff. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
4:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Makoto Synonimized Yay! — TheMaster 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@BhargavRao Thanks for taking care of the issue. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
I save a link to each comment I post to ensure I can see a clear history (including links to now-deleted questions) which can help in cases like these — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
 
4:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
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5:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Deleted the snap synonym. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
 
6:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Squirrel in training
f @Madara'sGhost I'll miss you in chat — Squirrel in training 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
Indeed, there was another one just this morning. — F1Krazy 35 secs ago
 
7:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fabián Heredia Montiel
Thanks Bhargav, :3 — Fabián Heredia Montiel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ewong
Thanks @CertainPerformance! that should help me keep my sanity :) — ewong 1 min ago
 
7:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
I find database entirely useless, but personally think the usage of sql still adds some value if the question is actually about SQL. — Mark Rotteveel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I can venture a guess; just saying "I have a problem" without describing what the problem is does not make for a very good Stack Overflow question. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I don't think that this message is the source of tagging problems, but there is nothing wrong with improving wording anyway. ... you didn't provide any better alternatives though. What terse message could be stated that is superior to what is there now? Perhaps just state the reality more explicitly: "Please add between one and at most five tags to describe what the question is about" ? — Gimby 20 secs ago
 
9:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
This is clear censorship. I have added two critical comments which have been deleted. I do not accept your remark here, you are just part of an unjust process, "seemingly reasonable" attracting upvotes here. Your comment also proves that you have deleted the question not for its content, but for my allegation that we see a herd behaviour (which you and your upvoters are part of and which can be "proven" in this whole case) and for my advertisement to undelete a now probably on-topic SO question which IMO is fair to ask for, see the question here which no one answers. — Lorenz 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
 
9:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Gimby I've seen multiple new contributors add irrelevant tags to their question. They then claimed that the system wanted them to add 5 and thus they were compelled to add tags that didn't make sense. Their question could accurately be described in 2-3 tags, for example and any extra would be incorrect. I didn't connect it with the "up to 5" wording but I can definitely see how it can be the source of confusion. So, I support OP here. I also don't feel that we as users are required to come up with a solution. We could but it's SE who need to address this anyway. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
9:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@VLAZ well, some criminals after the deed claim that this is "the society" that pushed them, some blame "voices in the head", some blame the victim "he/she made me do that", I don't think we should amend the system to accommodate users who justify inability to read a help page or look at a tag description before posting by "but it compelled me"... The same will happen to 4,3,2,1 - only 0 tags will stop them from slapping whatever tag they want and consider that an incantation that will magically help them get their question answered. — Oleg Valter 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@OlegValter it currently causes problems. For me that's bad UI. Should we not fix it because users should be able to figure it out? By the same logic, we should drop the question wizard and stop with trying to make the review queues, question closing, etc. better. It's just the users complaining about this, after all. Users who are mislead by the bad UI but "should know better"? I was under the impression that we don't want that because the trivial mistakes that can be fixed with better UI cost others more time and effort fixes. Is that not to be done? — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@VLAZ I personally do a lot of retagging and do not say nothing should be done. My comment addressed only reasoning that we should do anything to the completely ok notice just because some of the users claim it "compelled them" to add more irrelevant tags. We need better onboarding, better tag info visibility, clearer tagging policies, etc, not squabbles about text changes. You know of a phrase rearranging chairs on Titanic, right? — Oleg Valter 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@OlegValter I don't see this as anything else but better guidance for users. From your list it will come under "clearer tagging policies". It is be part of the onboarding, as onboarding should be interactive. Dropping a whole load of text for users to read upfront is not good onboarding process, after all, guiding them what to do when they do it is the better appoach. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Isn't this a repost of a community-deleted question? — yivi 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Oh, I see that you mention that at the end. Reposting community-deleted posts is generally not the greatest idea. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@yivi Yes, you are right. It was deleted just a few minutes after I had adjusted it to get it re-opened. I hope that the idea itself with the useful comments on it can be documented. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@yivi I know that this is going on a limb. I give it a try, since it may now be in line with the rules. I have received clear points on which was not accepted in the deleted question and its comments. Now i have taken this away. The aim is to keep this undeleted, so that it stays documented as the idea itself. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Why would you think this is not going to get the same reception as last time? — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@RobertLongson I have improved the explanation of the example since I was asked to clarify it. The question was unclear to many readers in the first place. I took away something that was criticised after the deletion, and all of the off-topic comments are not included so that it is "fresh" and without any more context (that context was part of the delete-reasons). — Lorenz 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
So you think it's important to keep an idea that the community clearly rejected visible? You want this to be a duplicate target/research opportunity for other similar ideas? Or you just think the dead horse needs some extra flogging? — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@VLAZ the issue I have with that idea is that by the time users that think that "add up to 5" tags get through to asking a question we are already too late. We failed long before that, and that is why the idiomatic phrase above is perfect. No one said about dumping a load of text in front of users (in fact, that is what we expect them to do currently). It could and should be interactive. A "playground" shot at asking and answering a question (like an audit question). Showing a set of exemplary Q&As after asking a user for a list of tags they are interested in. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
So you hope this version will just be massively downvoted rather than massively downvoted and then deleted? — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@RobertLongson the idea itself is only a duplicate of the deleted question, it has no other duplicate in the meta history. That is why I just want to keep the idea documented. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
This seems like a lot of complexity just to solve what is pretty much a non-problem. I think it's "useful" to know if potatoes maintain more nutritional value if I don't peel them before boiling them but I don't need to go here to find out. There are other places more suited for that and they'd be better at answering it. That's the entire point of limiting topic scope. Specialisation. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@RobertLongson In other words and yes, I just hope that this will not be deleted. If someone else will have the idea later, she will find this in the meta history. The votes will be a downvote, though I do not understand at this point why the answer gets downvoted as well, perhaps because it is uncommon to quote other users' comments. I myself would not introduce this anymore, see the answer. — Lorenz 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Also, another issue I have with this is data. With such a big site like SO we cannot assume anything, but it seems I am one of the few that misses an important ability to mind-read users. Is the claim about the harm done by the notice verifiable? Falsifiable? If it is, I am all ears if it turns out that at least 1% of all users have the same experience. But it is infeasible to change site-wide policies / features for a couple of of millions of users. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
did you consider the fact that we may not agree with your proposal AND this is not personnal or related to you? — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Presumably people disagree that the answer is useful. — Robert Longson 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@TemaniAfif then I do not see a reason why it should be deleted, you can simply downvote, AND this is also meant without a personal level. — Lorenz 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
a proposal to feature or give importance to off-topic question is a clear No to me and yes it deserve a delete vote. We should fight off-topic questions, not find a way to keep them alive — Temani Afif 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@RobertLongson strange since the comments got good upvotes in the discussion. I guess that my answer is formally not OK, I just quote copied comments of other users, which is perhaps not in line with a good SO etiquette. Everyone is free to add another answer. — Lorenz 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Does the "follow" feature not suite your needs enough? It sends you a notification in the SO inbox every time something happens to the post. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@TemaniAfif Then this will not be documented. The answer is already what you ask for. This meta community should be capable of bearing that risk, as there is no majority in sight to change the general view of this. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
eveyrtihing is already documented here: stackoverflow.com/help if you take few minutes to read some of the links you can clearly see that we don't want off-topic questions and there is a clear description of what is an off-topic question. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
You might therefore conclude that two people agree with that answer as their comments form its suggestion but they may not have voted yet. The other readers of the answer presumably disagree that those comments are useful. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhavik Hirani
Congratulations both of you, @Makyen and @Machavity! — Bhavik Hirani 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
And I suspect this whole meta post is a personnal argument to be able to post some questions in your account (related: stackoverflow.com/q/63298941/8620333 / stackoverflow.com/q/63298825/8620333). I doubt there is any benefit to whole community but only to you unfortunately. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@TemaniAfif You mean stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic. I have read that list of the criteria even before this idea here. As a normal and new user, it was still not clear to me why some potentially interesting questions are not valued as such. The FAQ do not help me to estimate the idea here "as such", since an idea can also sometimes cross the border of available rules. We have all invested time here, and thus I see a documentation as a gain for the community that this is clearer in the future. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
it was still not clear to me why some potentially interesting questions are not valued as such --> because SO is not for intresting questions. Asking how to earn more money as web developer is an intresting question but doesn't belong to SO. As simple as that. There is a plenty of website in the net where you can ask question that are off-topic here. — Temani Afif 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@TemaniAfif Then I ask you to see the answer, I am not arguing in favor of it anymore. — Lorenz 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@TemaniAfif your suspection is right in general. It was and is a bit of an argument. Still, this is also just to keep up the documentation, since a lot of people have invested time on this. Just deleting it for other arguments would not be professional if it can actually help someone who might search for a similar idea in the future. As a principle. I try to make a check here. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Lorenz - The question you wanted reopened was low quality. There was no herd behavior from this user.Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@SecurityHound You can downvote, it is your good right. The thread was deleted for other reasons, only therefore I have taken this step here. — Lorenz 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
I understood your original feature suggestion, I didn’t agree with it, I still don’t agree with it. Your trying to solve a non-issue. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
I am not a Java expert but I know that you should not post the same answer twice and instead flag as duplicate if both questions are the same (related: stackoverflow.com/a/63298942/8620333 / stackoverflow.com/a/63287737/8620333) — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Lorenz - I downvoted this question because you have resubmitted a question that was deleted. That’s not allowed. — Security Hound 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@TemaniAfif this is off-topic what you have posted. It has nothing to do with this question here, though it has the same context of course. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
this is not off-topic .. you bring the attention of the community and the community is curious so we check around few things and we found that you are doing bad. Anyway, I flagged for moderator attention. — Temani Afif 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@SecurityHound It is improved. It is not the same. I have invested some time to clarify it. It is not a copy and paste of the deleted question, only a copy and paste of the edited deleted question (which was not valued anymore, since it was deleted for other reasons than the pure content change). — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@TemaniAfif It is off-topic. If I do bad or not has nothing to do with this question. — Lorenz 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
You keep mentioning the virtue of keeping this for "documentation" purposes. There is simply no need of keeping every bad idea around forever. In the end, you are arguing for a less restrictive SO, for relaxation of scope so deleting some off-topic questions is harder. And you are not making a compelling argument. So do not be surprised if this is closed and deleted. Users may not find it useful to keep around, and Q&As that are not useful are seen as noise. — yivi 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
We should include default and default-value in this list. Some context: the tag wikis are nearly identical, so they refer to the same thing; edit suggestions introducing such tags are being rejected ([1], [2]). Both tags fail every burnination criterion except maybe the on-topicness — yes, there is some overlap between programming and the concept of defaults… — user4642212 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Lorenz or... You know..... You could be wrong? Just....just maybe. It's clearly not a stance you often take, or you're comfortable accepting ... But it may just be correct. — Patrice 12 secs ago
 
11:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Psychzander
@KyleMit I understand what the OP means — Psychzander 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Psychzander
his profile is thisPsychzander 18 secs ago
 
11:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrayedFox
The downvotes are accumulating! Which is, admittedly, an interesting little jibe from our witty community members (and will destroy my reputation by a thousand tiny cuts). — GrayedFox 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
Just FYI: since the Q is closed and both your Q and A are downvoted, this Q will be automatically deleted by the roomba (if the community members don’t get around to deleting it manually first). — Dan Bron 17 secs ago
 
12:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@SecurityHound Apart from you and one other member, there were clear hints that the trusted members have simply downvoted because they did not understand the idea of it. You can see this in the upvotes of wrong comments. You cannot say from this that there was no major herd behaviour. — Lorenz 1 min ago
 
12:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@yivi This is your interpretation and a misunderstanding again? I am not saying - not at all and have not done so before - that this should make off-topic questions harder to delete or last longer? Why are you upvoted for this clear lack of understanding? Why would you say there exists a bad idea, if you have not even understood it? The extra vote option is ONLY for the phase while a question is closed, which usually takes some time until it gets deleted (which is, whatever you say about quality, a needed and good practice). Again a proof that this community lacks professionality in this case. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
And what would be the use of this separate vote, then? And how is this "keeping up" ("Just having an additional voting system might keep up some interesting topics that simply cannot seem to get on-topic but that are no opinionated answer and no spam") not intended to preserve off-topic content? Maybe if you question were clearer and the objective was self-evident, it wouldn't keep being "misunderstood". — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@Patrice I know what you refer to. Just think of adding two comments here, where you invested some time expressing them. You get back after a day, and they are just deleted? Help me with more humor, please. I need that. Even a humorous remark in another thread which was really fun and brought some new wind was just deleted. There was no other reason to do so than to make me look like you are answering here now: look at your tone. And yes, I could be wrong, which is perhaps considered by 1 % on the "other side" as well. Accepted, this is not balanced? — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@yivi The separate vote option (next to a Q, A or comment) only serves some people who know the topic area to find new hints for a new topic. What is so complicated about that? I have given the example that you could think of a version change that will no longer allow Java 8. This itself should be foreseen by a community in a question like : "What could happen to my current system configuration if the version change does not support java 8 anymore?" Or whatever you may ask. Better than asking nothing and: getting 5000 views for the foreseeable error after a month in the first week. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@yivi This is exactly the point where you should review the community votes, answers and comments in a new light. And everyone else reading this. If I can prove you here, at this point, clearly, that you have not understood the idea, you should change the side and understand that we have a community failure here. For this question it is not important to raise general allegations though. I would be fine with a re-opening, that is all. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
There is a failure here, but it's not on the community. Your last comment where you try to clarify what this "separate voting system" is meant to accomplish does nothing for me, I'm sorry to say. It still looks like you want to make easier to reward in some way off-topic comment, which would always open a path to its preservation. — yivi 19 secs ago
 
12:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@yivi This is not my intention, and it is wrong again. Just read these quotes from the introduction: "Just having an additional voting system might keep up some interesting topics that simply cannot seem to get on-topic but that are no opinionated answer and no spam." and: "(and no need that it becomes on-topic then)" I have written this to make clear that this question is not about making off-topic on-topic again. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
What Clive said. — yivi 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clive
You seem to be caught in a loop here - having an additional voting system might keep up some interesting topics that simply cannot seem to get on-topic. That isn't something the community wants, as its only logical conclusion is for content that shouldn't be here, to be here. Until you address/acknowledge that, this isn't going to go anywhere — Clive 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@Clive A topic is not equal to the off-topic question, but just something mentioned somewhere in the Q/A/comments. For example that a version change will not support a certain version anymore. The asker will not be able to get that on-topic, but someone who reads through the separate rubric of "separate votes on off-topic questions" (I mean those according to the idea) might catch an idea for an on-topic question from it. — Lorenz 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clive
No, we don't need to leave off-topic questions around just because other people might take inspiration from them and ask an on topic question. There's no point having a selectively filtered base of knowledge if you're just going to leave everything in it — Clive 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
We're just going round and round and round here. Did you not read the moderator comment? Eventually this post will be deleted either by Roomba or more likely by high rep users just getting tired of you not listening, i.e. exactly the same as previously here. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
I just faced this issue again and then after 5 minutes I found this topic, which I already upvoted and nothing has changed... >< — Sinatr 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Lorenz that's..... Very obtuse for not a lot of meaning. But sure. Have fun! For someone spouting unprofessionalism, you seem very blocked in your ideas. In any case, good luck — Patrice 1 min ago
 
1:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@RobertLongson I do not want this round and round, you neither. Accepted! And I revise this. Here is no going round and round, but a development, if after a long discussion it turns out that no one, whatever you tell me here, has understood the idea correctly, though I can prove that it is described like this. Even Clive again states now that I am asking to leave off-topic questions around although I have just made clear that this is not about prolonging the "off-topic" phase. Just a few comments ago, which Clive will probably even have read? This is a failure again. — Lorenz 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
And here, no answer, but closed, although the question is still open. "This question does not appear to seek input and discussion from the community. If you have encountered a problem on one of our sites, please describe it in detail." Instead, unhelpful comments. — Lorenz 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@Patrice look at your tone if you have not understood the context. You have partly caused now this thread to be closed, because you brought up this level of conversation which has nothing to do with the question, which is no help at all, your invested time appreciated. Just again the question in case was deleted again, although it can be proved from the comments that no one has understood the idea until its end. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/400105/…. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
So..... See when I say attribute malice? You say I partly caused this to close. I came to this already closed question and commented cause you camp your position, HARD, everytime you come to Meta, and that seems to cause friction. Instead of reading what I say you think I attack you and close your already closed question. And my tone is the problem? Lol — Patrice just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
What are developers implementing right now? What we should expect next? --> it's kept a surprice until the release. It's more funny to discover it live, isn't it? — Temani Afif 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@Patrice OK. See the context again which will take away any lol, instead, you will understand. I withdraw what I said to you, I am also just human and contributing on meta SO seems to change your habits after some hours of "proven" useless comment discussions, on the base of a lot of investment in time and nerves on both sides, caused by nothing but misunderstanding on "the other side". This is not just a saying, it can be proven in the link that the community has voted without understanding, then deleted the question twice because of points that you also bring up here. — Lorenz 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
There are 6000 feature requests and say 6 or so developers so that's 1000 each to update regularly. You want them to do that instead of doing any work? I guess that would put paid to the fun of discovering new features when they go live because there wouldn't be any. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
You can find the latest changes on Meta.SE, but that's always after the fact... I thought I remember seeing a roadmap at some point... — Heretic Monkey 29 secs ago
 
2:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
@RobertLongson, I just want to discuss what to do to have no "ghost" requests, which seems to be useful (upvoted), but stays ignored... for years. Your proposal I dislike. — Sinatr 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@Sinatr So I guess they're looking at the feature requests, but they're not telling us. Then, when the features are done, they add a tag. I guess it would be helpful from their side if they add a comment saying "Hey, we might implement this idea!" — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
My "proposal" is simply the logical outcome of yours. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
It's hard to understand the question itself. What are you asking? Condense it. — 10 Rep 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
@RobertLongson, I dislike your logical proposal of mine.. wait, I didn't propose anything. Give me a minute. — Sinatr 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@gnat I guess that is helping a lot. "Your question wasn't asking what Microsoft's recommendations for a particular naming convention should be. (Which is itself just asking for a particular group's opinion on a matter.) I guess that is the main issue here, I will check if I can put the question aside in another SE. — Lorenz 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
This is a general question about the right term for various "things" of four different dataframes. --> general, various, four different --> only the first sentence make your question sounds too broad. A question should deal with one thing, not a lot of things. — Temani Afif 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
Community already helping by votes. "too many feature request - nothing can be done with them" - I believe something can be done with all requests. Yes, I am sure in it. — Sinatr 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
I have issues how to condense it. I might split it up in 4 questions, but then, asking just for a name or two is not enough to qualify for points I would say? That is why I took a bit more so that the needed work for the answer is worth the reward. — Lorenz 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
From What types of questions should I avoid asking?: To prevent your question from being flagged and possibly removed, avoid asking subjective questions where … your answer is provided along with the question, and you expect more answers: “I use ______ for ______, what do you use?” — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
The linked question sits between too broad and opinion based. Splitting it up wouldn't be particularly helpful, IMO. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
It makes no sense for SU either. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@all I think I will take it to super user like this. If it gets downvoted, I split it up to 4 questions there. If that does not work, it is probably out of scope everywhere. All comments make sense. — Lorenz 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
So with this process you'll just end up with a bunch of feature request tagged status-planned that then never see any action for the same number of years because we get far more feature requests than we could ever process. The idea is to pick out ones that have high demand or are important to current initiatives, and try to get to the rest of them eventually. — animuson ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
This might make more sense at meta.stackexchange.com, unless you're proposing we adopt this only for MSO. — jonrsharpe 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Or, SO could use a proper public issue tracker. Meta is good for Q&A. Q&A is not good for issue tracking. — yivi 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
What are your relevant research results towards answering this? How to Ask help centerphilipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@gnat That is referring to software engineering, I think that is really another topic since there are a lot of conventions for models and processes according to different general setups. Still it is a good hint that it is off-topic because it is subjective / opinion-based, as well as the other comments and links show. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@philipxy The time that I have invested was perhaps an hour, my aproach was to find example cases on SO. I have not done the research in the python docs. If I had, I would probably know the answers. That is perhaps the main problem of it. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
I meant this meta question. Also time composing a question is not time answering it. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
there won't be 2 posts trying to solve 1 problem in a similar way Has this happened? Can you give an example? — 10 Rep 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@philipxy On meta, I have searched for a similar question using something like "is asking for the right naming off-topic". No success. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TagFolks
I guess that reason behind of why logout is not visible has to do with a SEO strategy — TagFolks 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matthew Lundberg
The question chosen as a duplicate of mine tells me a lot more than does this answer, but thanks. — Matthew Lundberg 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Before considering posting please read the manual & google any error message or many clear, concise & precise phrasings of your question/problem/goal, with & without your particular strings/names & site:stackoverflow.com (or site:meta.stackoverflow.com or site:meta.stackexhange etc as appropriate) & tags; read many answers. If you post a question, use one phrasing as title. Refect your research. The SO/SE search facility is poor. — philipxy 10 secs ago
 
3:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
With the current format, it’s perfectly acceptable to post an answer to a feature request that explains a better way to handle the problem. Allowing users the option to post their feature requests as a new question may give it more attention than as a late answer. It also prevents us from having one “question” with the body text (for example) “man, all these new questions suck” with thousands of answers. — Laurel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
I have deleted the question for now, it was almost closed anyway. I am still curious what is the right answer at all. I will perhaps try it in a month or so again with four different questions, I do not want to spend time on it now. They are not urgent and not "promising" or important as such, no one can explain a lot and share a lot of knowledge, see the link of @gnat. They will probably all be off-topic in the end. Which also makes sense to me because the naming on SO is dynamic, it evolves from everyone who edits and corrects the naming if someone else makes a mistake. — Lorenz 1 min ago
 
 
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5:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@10Rep Who is going to decide which tags deserve the warning and which don't? That's a solution that doesn't scale well, not to mention the moderators aren't experts in everything so they might not know how important a given tag is. — John Montgomery 49 secs ago
 
5:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Icepickle
Can you self answer them after so many years? — Icepickle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
 
5:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I had an idea to keep one post where one Answer identifies one feature-request, double-linked if necessary. Then one could vote on feature-request-Answers, and the top ones could be implemented and removed once done. This way the community could weigh in on what they feel is more important. I'm not confident that votes on individual feature-request Questions, like we do now, brings any sort of valid priorities. — Scratte 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Perhaps change the title to look less like a tag burnination request? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@JohnMontgomery I know. ;( — 10 Rep 1 min ago
 
6:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Perhaps use more specific question title? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
 
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7:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@JohnMontgomery Simply check the number of watchers. It can be system automated. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
 
8:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stuartd
Good explanation of dependant tags, thanks — stuartd 59 secs ago
 
8:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
Votes wouldn't be capped if every post needed to be voted on. You can read through hundreds of posts in a day, but only vote on 40. — Davy M 26 secs ago
 
9:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@10Rep Again, that's going to cause a lot of false positives in the more niche tags, and will completely miss a lot of the bigger misused ones that might actually make a meaningful difference. — John Montgomery 11 secs ago
 
9:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stuartd
Note to self: never ever ever post to MSO again. — stuartd 40 secs ago
 
9:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Even the review queues have a "Skip" option. You're never required to act on a post. — BSMP just now
 
10:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@HereticMonkey - and here is the Q3 2020. I am curious about the "new editor" that is supposed to be released this month and a bit worried about "downvotes research" in "inclusion" that took place. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
10:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
This doesn't seem to be about SO, did you mean to post it on the main site? Though it wouldn't be a great question there either. — John Montgomery 52 secs ago
 
11:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Also, this query may help - presently, there are 162 feature requests that are in limbo and highly upvoted (default > 10),have accepted answers and more than 1 answer (configurable). I think these can be re-reviewed at least ( the query may be refined to exclude more ) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 

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