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5:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@Lorenz There's a lot of question-banned users and only a handful of moderators. If that becomes a common thing it's going to overwhelm them and prevent them from doing their actual job. — John Montgomery 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Because Triage is a mess and there's no way to notify a reviewer that they did something wrong except suspending them, and even that only works if they actually see the message. And considering you're just now seeing it five months into your suspension... — John Montgomery 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg V. Volkov
@samgak WTF? What problem do you have of one of the most respected former leaders of Russia? (themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/16/…) Even if you had your head filled with propaganda through your Western education, it is not a reason to bring it up on international site. — Oleg V. Volkov 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@JohnMontgomery that is understood. I just think it is an exceptional case. — Lorenz 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
If the final question is still going to be deleted, what exactly would be the point of expending effort merging questions? — animuson ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
Done at meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/400226/…, without closing this question here though, since your answer does not convince me completely. What if I just undeleted the three questions and asked for a merge? Could that just be refused? — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@animuson I think that the algorithm for the question ban also counts the number of deleted and downvoted questions. If I have just one strongly downvoted deleted question, it might cancel the ban. — Lorenz 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
Merging questions doesn't work that way. Merging would move the answers and comments and lock the merged question, but it still remains as a question that is closed and deleted. It doesn't disappear completely. — animuson ♦ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@Lorenz What makes this an exceptional case? Why should the moderators put in that work for you specifically, other than just you not wanting to be question banned? — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
It is exceptional because I do not expect a lot of similar issues where you have: three questions that exist almost in the same way in one other question on Super User (and upvoted), with the sum of the three questions's answers being upvoted at an answer of an on-topic question on SO, with the high similarity of all three SO Q/As. And all of this causing at least 50 % of the ban. — Lorenz 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@Tom then do not take that into account, but the high similarity of the 3 Q/As. — Lorenz 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
That the question is received somewhat positively (even though the question is on 0 and the answer just on 1) means nothing for Stack Overflow. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
That doesn't matter either. Also, it is not a "high similarity" for 3 questions, it just for 2. You asked the same question twice, even after being told that it is off-topic. — Tom 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Thank you, I hope to see the changes proposed soon. :) — Bhargav Rao ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@Tom Yes that is what I meant? I have not hidden this on purpose, I simply did not want to make this a topic again. Fact is that they are highly similar. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Not sure, a lot of questionable things have been getting featured lately. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Sure, @TylerH, I don't mind either way. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
 
6:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
What ever you post it needs to be in the Q / A format. So option 2 is out. — rene 1 min ago
 
6:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
Also my comment above shouldn't be read as an endorsement (i.e., "this is how SO should work"), but it is what Jeff and Joel created (despite their repeated denials), it's a side effect of a reddit voting system and I'm sure they know it deep down. IMO we should stop telling new users to research their problem heavily before posting, 99% of the time it's setting people up for failure. The real answer is "don't post questions, if it isn't already here we don't want it" but nobody wants to hear that (that'd stop signups). It's not a pleasant end for everyone but it's the truth. — jrh 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
Or to put it a different way, voting system + 11 years = very low chance of a new question being successful; it has to be popular AND never seen before by anyone's definition of "seen before". Found something that's not on the site? It's not about documenting, it's about marketing, how many eyeballs will your problem attract? It's unfortunate because hard to find solutions are the most valuable, and a "skill ceiling" is boring for established users, but it's self-evident that the content won't get votes. — jrh 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
Endgame is SO is yet another "basics blog" site covering "new hotness" tech shallowly, the hard to find stuff remains in books and hidden in specs comprehensible only by language designers, and we don't really grow as a profession. The "how to split a string in language X" gets 1000 votes (which has been covered in one million other places), SO users complain about boring homework questions but a totally different setup is needed to reward users for posting things like "what is this obscure problem in this obscure library in this obscure scenario"; I wish SO was that, it isn't. — jrh 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
The fact that it's for a contest isn't really important as far as Stack Overflow is concerned. If it's low-effort or otherwise bad as a question on its own, use the same flag you'd use if it wasn't for a contest. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StackOverthrow
And when you do come across one of those really gnarly problems, nine times out of ten it will be a) incorrectly marked as unclear until the right person comes along who knows exactly what you're talking about; b) incorrectly marked as a duplicate of something only vaguely related; or c) correctly marked as a duplicate of a Q&A you couldn't possibly have found because you didn't know the right terminology until you read it. — StackOverthrow 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
How many previous suspensions have you received related to reviewing? — Kevin B 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
[ Boson ] New comment posted by armagedescu
What is exacly the correct flag? — armagedescu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
You seem fixated on which flag to use, but maybe you ought to read that duplicate post (linked above) first. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Like I said, treat it exactly the same way as if it were a normal question. If nothing is wrong with it aside from being from a contest, don't flag it. If it's unclear, flag it as needs details/clarity, etc. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
And if it's someone who wants help breaking into Citibank, well... I have better things to do with my time. Where's that close hammer? — Robert Harvey 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Meh. Sometimes I close them anyway. Ohhh, that better be the mother of all stellar homework questions. If it's clearly a copy/paste, I reflexively close it, with whatever close hammer I can find. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@RobertoCaboni maybe... because said questions with a score of 5-7 are actually good questions, as opposed to the ones with 0? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberto Caboni
@KevinB what I am trying to assert is that those good question will hardly get a score > 0. And they will be lost in the ocean of real 0-score questions (forn example : decently written debugging questions). — Roberto Caboni 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Right... but who's saying said questions are good? where's all the examples? All i see is people claiming their own questions are good. If they were truly good, useful, interesting questions, they'd be getting attention. If not directly, then when the OP applies a bounty. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
What mechanism would result in a downvote being "overturned"? — Kevin B 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
let's not make stuff complicated, a downvote is a downvote and a downvote is done based on the content not the user. I don't care if you have 1M Rep or 1 Rep. I will only judge the content — Temani Afif 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by armagedescu
How can I treat an illegal question as legal and pretend that it is ok? — armagedescu 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by armagedescu
I care. How can I treat an illegal question as legal and pretend that it is ok? — armagedescu 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@KevinB: more upvotes, or a closed question re-opened by another mod — Thomas 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@TemaniAfif, but downvotes usually go more to people new to a site, until they learn. The more experienced the OP, the most likely it is that you could mis-interpret the question and downvote by mistake. In that case, it makes sense to justify the downvote with a comment. — Thomas 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Paying for said additional attention with rep preserves this added attention for the people who most want it, and ideally for the questions that most deserve it. Making it something that can be just given away for free by high rep, gold badge holders, or the op's themselves is simply going to be used by everyone who doesn't get an answer quickly because everyone who asks a question thinks they have a good question/complex problem and have done their research.. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
it's not true, we downvote bad questions and low effort/research question. You may argue that new users will most likely post such questions but it's not always true and if you judge the experience of user based on their Rep then it's not also true because you can earn Rep by simply asking trivial questions — Temani Afif 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Do downvotes have the same opportunity to overturn upvotes? which gets more weight? Are we just going to assume people who are upvoting are more important? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Those questions are useful to more people. They deserve said attention. — Kevin B 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberto Caboni
@KevinB I'm not going to search for examples right now. I'll offer the opposite example: one-line-questions asked in 2008-20013 scoring 250+. What I suggest is going back to an open minded criteria. Nowadays most basic things have been asked; it is difficult to ask questions like this one. If that question can score 188, most question should have score >20. What I suggest is recovering the upvote attitude this community seem to have had in its first five years. — Roberto Caboni 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
Sorry to VTC, but I really don't understand how the linked post doesn't already answer this. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@armagedescu "Illegal" and "against the rules of the contest" are two very different things. If you personally don't like it you can downvote it or just ignore it, but it's not Stack Overflow's job to enforce the rules of an unaffiliated web site. — John Montgomery 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
Also, the first bullet point is basically voting on users rather than the content, which we don't do here. I don't consider OP's rep in how I vote, I just consider whether I found the content worth reading or not. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The whole point of this network is to generate QA pairs that are useful. The entire system is designed around it. If a question gets bypassed because it's unclear, or it's some niche thing noone else has encountered or understands, it's by definition not as useful as that one liner question. It won't and shouldn't receive the same attention. This isn't a QA service or helpdesk. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tiago Martins Peres 李大仁
@user4642212 already know how and started the process. But I'm using a Huawei and required HiSuite both in the computer and in the phone (and the phone was very low in memory) but I reckon now is installing (the app showed up, no progress bar for installation but once clicking in it the app closes right away). Will write once know more info. — Tiago Martins Peres 李大仁 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Rubén Couldn't find either of those quotes from wikipedia. The current stance is fully populated primary categories: The general rule would be: If a category can be completely and totally expressed as the intersection of other categories, it is not a primary category and should be defined only as this intersection. The whole page seems to send the general idea that primary categories should be fully populated, while intersection categories will be created automatically-similar to my proposal. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
@TheMaster Have you reviewed the tag excerpt of tag-hyerarchy? — Rubén 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Yes and I believe it is relevant. — TheMaster 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica: your comment posting that link is exactly the kind of problem I am proposing to solve. You posted a link which I already posted in the very first sentence of my question and I opened the question by saying I read it, understood it and it doesn't address the problems I listed. Some people would have downvoted my question despite their objection already addressed. Now one point where you guys are really right is that what I propose would vote on users which is wrong. But that doesn't mean that downvoting, as it is, doesn't have flaws that could be corrected. — Thomas 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
People are here helping other people with their problems voluntarily. That people decide to generally deal with the lower hanging fruit isn't SO's fault or problem. It would only be a problem if people seeking such questions can't find them (which would be an entirely different problem than "promoting" said questions properly.) — Kevin B 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@armagedescu: Since you still appear to have not read that duplicate post, I'll summarize: "Because we can't police the entire world." We already have our hands full with Stack Overflow; we don't have any jurisdiction for contests. — Robert Harvey 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
So you are aware of "Tags on Stack Overflow aren't hierarchically ordered (and, in all likelihood, will never be - several proposals have been made already)". Good. — Rubén 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
I couldn't find either of those quotes from wikipedia. The current stance is fully populated primary categories: The general rule would be: If a category can be completely and totally expressed as the intersection of other categories, it is not a primary category and should be defined only as this intersection. The whole page seems to send the general idea that primary categories should be fully populated, while intersection categories will be created automatically. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Of course, nothing prevents you from exercising your own moral judgement and denying an OP the illegal answer they're looking for. I'd love to see more of that kind of restraint. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
How exactly does the given question not answer your question? Saying it doesn't... doesn't prove it doesn't. Several of the bullet points you make aren't even relevant to downvoting. For example, "Experience imbalance". Voting isn't for rating what is trivial or hard. that's a misuse of voting. Building a feature around that is pointless, all we need is better messaging if that is occuring. — Kevin B 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
@Thomas Yes, I did see that, but the points you're bringing up still seem to be addressed there - I'm not convinced that it's not a duplicate. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
And you can't close duplicate question on Facebook... — TGrif 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@gnat You have asked me whether the duplicate link helps me. I just answered yes, it helps. But not in the sense that it answers my question here. I have not marked it as a duplicate, you did. The answer there is that poorly received questions lead to the ban, not the deletion as such. In this case, I have a poorly received question, and I would like to migrate (or merge) it to Super User. My question was whether that is possible, and your duplicate does not help. I also do not know from that answer whether migrating a downvoted question helps to cancel the question ban. — Lorenz 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"Learning styles" again, irrelevant to voting. voting is for quality/usefulness. Missing an example is a close reason. There is some overlap there, but it's not something that somehow makes commentary needed. — Kevin B 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@armagedescu: I'm not the police. I refuse to enforce laws that I have no jurisdiction to. I don't get paid enough to care. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Thomas "You posted a link which I already posted in the very first sentence of my question and I opened the question by saying I read it, understood it and it doesn't address the problems I listed" - But the onus is on you to clarify how that doesn't answer the question, why should we be encouraging users to explain their downvotes. I don't know any users who downvote for the reason you've suggested. — Nick just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
Learning style is actually extremely relevant and I've seen the issue pop up through the years (probably the Linux community is more to blame than others): I've seen questions downvoted because the answer is in the doc.. which is written 1970s style and where the answer is all but accessible. Some people will know this stuff in and out, and some will not and seek an answer from those with experience which will no doubt be useful to others. — Thomas 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
Whoever downvotes this answer, it is just the summary of the comments and what to do with them. Answer a better answer instead of just downvoting this. Up to now, there is no real answer to the question here than to say that no mod wants to do what would be possible to do, for reasons of time. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
@KevinB I agree - this whole proposal absolutely reeks of voting on users rather than content. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
I didn't really consider how it might look like voting on user when I had the thing in mind, I agree that this mechanism is dangerous, but it doesn't remove the original point — Thomas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
If you think that the information isn't accessible in its current form and that the Q&A adds value, you're perfectly free to vote accordingly - that's literally the point of upvotes. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica, yes, I like that; it would take a more positive approach and achieve the same — Thomas 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@Nick, I'm trying to come up with a mechanism where a trivial undisputed downvote should be as easy as it is today, but one that is more complex would require an explanation. If you have a question on a topic you don't know and I consider it trivial because it's answered in the doc, edition 12, page 1730 in the annotations, I think my downvote should be justified — Thomas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
or... d), it's not actually a really gnarly problem... just a failure to debug/break down the problem. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
It seems like a better question would be "how could we encourage people to upvote questions about information that's technically in the manuals but hard to understand in its current form"? If people are downvoting content that is, in fact, helpful that's an entirely different problem than the one that's proposed here. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@Tom Saying that the small upvote on the answer at SU (and yes, even if it is just the answer) is irrelevant may even be wrong, it shows that SU is the right place since it is not strongly downvoted as it was on SO. And moreover: My contribution was of value, I have gained only upvotes since the deletions both on SO and Super User. Why punishing a contributor so strongly? Does this not astonish you as such. Voting down the three questions so strongly is not balanced if it is mainly the wrong Stack Exchange that speaks against them in the end. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
The GC.SuppressFinalize() question at first glance looks like it might be opinion-based, but it's really just asking what GC.SuppressFinalize() does; in what specific cases is it intended to be used based on the spec/documentation. In other words, what was it designed to do? — TylerH 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
It also helps to consider if someone else asking this question with this code would be satisfied the same as you by someone accurately/completely answering the question? If the answer is no or not necessarily, then there's a good chance your question is probably not objective enough. — TylerH 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Now, your first edit just edited the title to make no substantive change (both "is this good" and "is this good practice" are off-topic questions). Your second edit abstracted the question a bit but didn't really change the essence of it: "is there any rule or guideline against this" Sure, there are always rules against everything, somewhere, if you look hard enough. Which rules & guidelines are you concerned with? Stack Overflow is not the site for broad "here's my working code, please review it for me" questions. It's for specific, objectively answerable questions. — TylerH 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Your question, when it was closed, asked "is \<this code\> good" without providing any kind of objective metric for what constitutes "good", aside from the fact you are trying to follow general separation of concerns principle. How separate do you want your concerns? What level are you trying to reach? You ended your question with another quite broad/opinionated question: "what could be wrong with this approach?" A question like that has as many valid answers as there are programmers in the world. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean, it's entirely opinion based. That's why it requires 3 votes, and can be reversed with 3 votes. — Kevin B 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@gnat, I think the OP is looking at a different result: he's looking a making it more costly to make a downvote, I'm looking at making it more likely that downvotes that are on the edge get a matching explanation. I think EJoshuaS' suggestion makes the most sense because it is a more positive approach, rather than a punishing one — Thomas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
After the edit of this answer the question remains whether the ban algorithm changes its points when a question was merged - even when the questions remain as they are. And probably no one here will be able to say this, because it is officially not known on purpose what the algorithm calculates exactly. That is why I cannot accept the answer even after the good edit that first seems so promising. — Lorenz 1 min ago
 
8:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
downvoting it is a lack of respect. Absolutely not. It is curation; it is not directed at the poster, but the post itself. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@fbueckert, this is out of context. My sentence is: "Unless the question is fully read and understood, it downvoting it is a lack of respect." Would you call downvoting a question you haven't really read or understood curation? I would not, I would call it a sloppy downvote — Thomas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@armagedescu can you please clarify what you mean "illegal question"? Stack Overflow generally governed by US laws and its own CoC. Neither of those say "asking questions that may be used to answer HackerRank problem is not allowed". — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
When you've been here, reading questions for 6-8 years you can read the title and a sentence or two and know it's not worth investing time into. I choose to trust people with enough rep to downvote and the willingness to actually cast a downvote (which is rare, compared to upvoting) more so than those that would do the same with an upvote. — Kevin B 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
You're making the assumption that it is unread and/or not understood. You have a) no proof, and b) a false premise. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
It is irrelevant to the question if the three deleted question here should be merged here. What is happening on Super User is not relevant to that. Also, asuming you really only got upvotes (when we ignore all the downvotes on both questions here on meta and the answer), then what reasy is there to merge the questions anyway? You only want to do that in fear of a question ban, but since you're a 'good' contributor you won't get one. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@fbueckert, I don't since I start the sentence by 'unless', so my assumption applies only when the premise is true. If you didn't read/understand the question, then it's not respectful to downvote. If that premise is not true, the point doesn't apply — Thomas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
And you have zero idea as to why people are downvoting; you're ascribing motivations to why you think people downvoted. You don't, and trying doesn't help you. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@fbueckert, everyone can cast downvotes at some point, so no I can't claim I know the motivations of millions of users. However a framework of rules was put in place to make the system work, without knowing all the motivations as well. Often rules need to be discussed, reviewed, challenged and sometimes changed. The motivation of the downvoter doesn't matter at all, he's anonymous to the user anyways. What matters is if it improves the user experience. — Thomas 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@Tom I already have the ban? Else I would not know about it, I am a beginner and did not know the ban algorithm until it happened. That is why I try to find a way out. And I have not generalised it like you. I have simply mentioned that for this specific topic, where I got 8 downvotes and 3 deletions (well I did one of them myself, still that is the result), I have finally contributed 3 upvotes - and no huge downvotes. In this topic I was a contributor. Your generalisations are what I was frequently criticised for when I was on meta. Now that I do not want to generalise, others hint me at it? — Lorenz 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
No, what matters is if it accurately reflects the post's utility. We can help the experience by trying to help explain, but at the end of the day, that explanation is secondary to actually ensuring the utility is properly reflected. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@fbueckert, you could achieve that by wiping all posts that don't have at least x views / upvotes. Educating users is not secondary, it is what makes this site. We argue because we both care about what the experience should be. If users are not helped, they won't really understand why some things matter and what they should care about. — Thomas 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Not sure what exactly preventing you to do so? — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew
if it fails 1,3 & 4 in what sense can it be on topic only in the meta sense that its on topic for burnination.. — Andrew 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
The roomba already deletes questions based on some decent criteria. I believe it already includes votes and views as part of it. And for educating users, I'm afraid it absolutely is secondary; the primary goal is to build a repository of knowledge, and make sure that withstands the test of time. The Q&A is just how we get there. The problem is that most new users don't understand that, and see SO as a help desk. That's not helped by people just ignoring the standards and answering any question they can. Repository first, educating users second. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
meh, that's just the difference of whether or not it being primarily opinion based warrants it being closed. Sometimes... usefulness trumps logic. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
"most new users don't understand that, and see SO as a help desk", that is very true. The repository of knowledge is a noble idea, but it's practicality depends on the site. For example movies, retro-games, and countless others.. it works. But on the programming sites if we enforced that questions had to be about knowledge and answers should be general and not apply to narrow, sometimes unique, cases, there would only be a fraction of the traffic. And it's actually in those that I see the downvoting issue more often, because above a certain level of question downvoting standards become fuzzy — Thomas 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
It still may be a lack of precision in the promotion. It takes some time to sort through all the newest questions in the interesting tags to find and upvote the interesting ones. I can't even downvote all the bad ones I see. The unanswered or feature list is okay, but I cannot really exclude that there are unanswered good questions of score zero or close to zero that I have never seen. — Trilarion 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Downvotes are an insignificant problem compared with the inexplicable waves of mass-upvoting of tragic questions. We need more downvoting from effective and dedicated curators, not more complex rules. Some users have fired off more than 40 times more upvotes than downvotes - very bad for site quality:( — Martin James just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Juraj Maybe there is nothing better asked currently. Maybe even on meta, not only on main, most of the interesting questions have already been asked? — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas
@MartinJames, I didn't know that was a problem. What could motivate that imbalance? — Thomas 1 min ago
 
9:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Unfortunately, this may be a situation that should be adjusted on a site-by-site basis, as other sites may find that edits from non-OPs are able to make a question on-topic significantly more often than is the case here on SO. — Makyen ♦ 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Edits from random people are largely harmful, because they 1) usurp the OP's single entry-by-edit into the reopen queue, depriving the OP of the opportunity to have their question reviewed, if and when they do improve it; and 2) make more work for reviewers in the Reopen Queue reviewing questions where the edit wasn't even attempting to make the question on-topic. #2 also conditions reviewers in the Reopen Queue to thinking that edited questions are 95%+ Leave Closed. This makes it more likely that a question that has been sufficiently improved will be erroneously reviewed as "Leave Closed". — Makyen ♦ 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
The actual problems stem from the fact that the first edit that changes the body of the question puts the question in the reopen queue, as long as that edit is from someone that didn't vote to close or flag the question. So, we either want A) only body edits from the OP to automatically put the question in the reopen queue (best solution), or B) discourage, or at least not encourage, edits from anyone other than the OP or people who voted to close or flagged the question. — Makyen ♦ 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
First off, thank you for the work. Unfortunately, I think this question may not have communicated what I consider to be the primary point, although re-reading the question it's certainly about exactly what you changed, however that's not the real problem. For closed questions, we absolutely want edits from the OP which improve the question to the point of being able to be reopened. Those are great! The more of those we can get, the better! — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
 
10:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
@Thomas Because the site tries to impose a “cost” for downvotes but not upvotes. The same concept being doubled-down on in this post. — Dan Bron 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Well, I've been through 3 bans, and I've been banned for like 3 months, even though I should have been banned for 16 days. Is this normal? — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@TemaniAfif A review task shows as "invalidated" for basically any reason that the post was removed from a review queue, other than actually completing the review and having an actionable result, this includes things like the flag or vote which put it in the review queue aging away. — Makyen ♦ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
The main problem here is that it is too discussion oriented Doesn't that mean it will lead to opinion-based answers? Take discussion questions here on meta. Many of the answers are opinion based, aren't they? — 10 Rep 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
I can fix up the ones with both where-clause and clauseS.S. Anne 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@10Rep A moderator stuck a 16 day ban on you initially (it was hard to get people to see those 4-day bans before the recent UX change). You've since doubled those on your own with failed audits. And some of those failures were pretty bad — Machavity ♦ 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Not related. Tag web-applications has nothing to do with the current request. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cincodenada
One thing I agree with you on is that the tag's description was pretty useless, especially the user guidance - I've submitted an edit to improve that, which is under peer review now: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26920864cincodenada 1 min ago
 
10:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@JWillborn What about people who flagged to close? Do they see it? — 10 Rep 18 secs ago
 
10:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by FreeSoftwareServers
No No, you did leave a comment on why, it just got me thinking about learning more in regards to licensing and self-promotion polices. Which, is why comments on downvotes and edits are super important. I'm fairly thick skinned, but without any rationale many people take it too personally. — FreeSoftwareServers 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by parsley72
@Nick that answer is for the onClick event of the map, which would give me the lat/long but won't tell me if the user clicked on the line or not. I wanted to get a click event from the line itself. — parsley72 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
I also think the Joel Test should be revisited, some of the points just aren't relevant to any place I've worked, some of them would be detrimental to products I've worked on. — jrh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samgak
@OlegV.Volkov I didn't make any comment other than that those user names wouldn't be tolerated (I was wrong as it turned out), that's a comment on site policy not on the historical figures themselves. Why so sensitive? — samgak 1 min ago
 
11:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Why not link the question? Then we can see exactly what may have happened. — 10 Rep 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Mods generally don't delete comments that contain useful information, but there are cases where a comment containing certain words/phrases can get automatically deleted by flags (I'm not sure if that applied here so hopefully someone with more insight can answer). That said, if your comment had information that answered the question, it really ought to go in an actual answer (unless the question was close-worthy, in which case it isn't much of a loss considering the OP already saw it). — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew
@10 Rep question link added — Andrew 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Ah, I think I misunderstood what you were saying. What was the text of your comment exactly? — John Montgomery 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew
Yes it was just "welcome to stack overflow" and looking at the Q again after the user replied I said something like "enjoy the adventure", that too is missing. Sorry can't remember exact wording. — Andrew 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew
How ironic to get down voted — Andrew 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew
that makes sense as "welcome to stack overflow" is certainly conversational — Andrew 1 min ago
 
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