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12:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
@JohnMontgomery It is a bit misleading. I'll edit my post to improve terminology. — GalaxyCat105 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
This only occurs in dark mode, so for the people whose eyes don't burn out with light mode, you will need to switch. @GalaxyCat105 You may want to include a screenshot or gif of the behavior — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
@10Rep I've inserted a GIF now. — GalaxyCat105 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Buck
I don't use Dark Mode on Stack Overflow (as my colour vision and SO's dark colour scheme don't work together), but in light mode, the effect is exactly the same in First Posts as it is in Late Answers so you might want to double-check that. I agree Triage does not have this effect. — David Buck 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
@DavidBuck For some reason, I'm not able to reproduce it using light mode in First Posts. — GalaxyCat105 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zinna
That won't work. If I select "undeleted", a message will pop up saying: a moderator has deleted this post and it cannot be undeleted. — Zinna 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Buck
Ah. It's only answers, not questions. That explains Triage and, I assume, our differing experiences of First Posts. — David Buck 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
@DavidBuck Yes, but why only for answers? — GalaxyCat105 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@Zinna You can't undelete it yourself, but you can flag it for a moderator to take another look (along with an explanation of why it shouldn't have been deleted). — John Montgomery 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zinna
how to flag it? — Zinna 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zinna
Thanks, found the flag, sorry, still learning SOF. Will do — Zinna 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Zinna This answer has been made a community wiki, so I'm not sure the poster gets your message here. When you flag your deleted Answer using "in need of moderator intervention", please be sure to give all the details, including your wrong copy'n'paste and your edits. Possibly also link to this meta post of yours. — Scratte 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@GalaxyCat105 According to staff, it's actually a bug. See this comment10 Rep 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I made this community wiki because the comments made me realize that perhaps I don't want to endorse all of the decisions that were made here. At the same time, I don't want to delete the answer, because it provides useful information and context to non-moderators. I simply don't have the time these days to dig into things any more thoroughly. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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1:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
@Catija Suggestion for next time: use Jupyter, which provides collaborative Markdown editing. (Though it requires setting up a local server.) — gparyani 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zinna
Thanks for all the helps here, I have already flagged my answer to the Moderator. Good learning process for me as well. — Zinna 24 secs ago
 
 
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3:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@gregsdennis You have no reason to consider comments to be disappearing "without a reason" or in any case taking that to be "abrasive". Your question & comments aren't consistent with how the site works or with your having researched how the site works. — philipxy 9 secs ago
 
 
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4:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Braiam I'm sure you'd agree that such closed old questions account for a minor part in that 23%- I would say, based on experience that they're almost negligible. Most of that closed questions are those that are asked in the last 30days. — TheMaster 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aniket Kariya
 
5:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The General
Yet this account you only have 374. How many accounts do you have? — The General 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The General
It was rhetorical... — The General 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rock
@TheGeneral Sorry sir, I asked a question and I don't know why I need to answer number of accounts I have to you. — rock 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rock
@TheGeneral It's a general question not my personal. — rock 1 min ago
 
5:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
The reputation will be recalculated based on the final state no matter which will be merged to which (though SE always merge to the oldest account). — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rock
@AndrewT. I need to know what was the number I'll get in above example ? with calculation part if any. — rock 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
If both accounts don't interact to each other, then a theoretical maximum of 11000. Otherwise, reps from votes, accepts, and edit suggestion between accounts will be invalidated and thus reduce the reputation. — Andrew T. 36 secs ago
 
6:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rock
@AndrewT. I didn't get the complete flow. And I didn't get docs on this. I'm expecting some more clear picture of this. Thank you — rock 1 min ago
 
6:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by barhatsor
I'm starting to think this isn't related to Disable Responsiveness. Perhaps this is a proxy problem? — barhatsor just now
 
 
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8:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
Still not clear where there is a "problem". Were you surprised that dark mode was disabled? — tripleee 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by isopach
Actually, you still don't have the Fanatic badge. Maybe you'd want to get it first to lend some credibility. — isopach 25 secs ago
 
8:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Can you provide some links to the deleted posts? — yivi just now
 
8:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
@yivi I think I got most of them in my answer. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by barhatsor
This is not the appearance of Stack Overflow, even with dark mode disabled. It seems like some sort of old version of the current UI. — barhatsor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wasif Hasan
OK that covers the deletion and roomba concept, but what about the downvotes? Who cast them? — Wasif Hasan 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larry K
Aaah yes, SO reasoned discussion! Love it! — Larry K 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luuklag
All votes are anonymous by design. Exceptions are close and delete votes. — Luuklag 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Wasif After the posts deletion, there are only 3 surviving downvoted posts, and those do not seem clustered. There seems to be very little left to reverse. — yivi 1 min ago
 
9:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mkrieger1
I can agree with that, but I think it would be a simple change to create 3 fake close voters instead of 5. — mkrieger1 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Meh, I don't think this is a valid dupe. The audits should show be updated so they show 3 close voters, not 5 as it used to be. — yivi 41 secs ago
 
10:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
Ideally, the number of real close votes it takes to close a question and the number of close voters shown in an audit should be the same variable, internally. Other than that, I don’t see why time should be invested in fixing this. — user4642212 2 mins ago
 
10:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Clements
It's a bit weird, but you noticed that fact, which means presumably you're paying attention to reviews? Which also means it might be a beneficial bug in a way :p. — Jon Clements ♦ 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mkrieger1
Indeed, I payed attention while I was still surprised by the unusual number of close voters. But now that I know it, I might just click "Reopen" without looking at the question. Unless it's a trick! — mkrieger1 1 min ago
 
10:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is cleaning up
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If it is due to serial voting, then the system will pick it up, and do something with it. Of course, the person could have just been active that day. If the votes are all from the same (sock puppet) account, I suspect the system will have flagged it for further investigation. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
mod flag ...... — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
It usually good to downvote posts one think are not useful. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
yes any post but be very detailed — Temani Afif 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@TemaniAfif Just on any of the questions, right? — leonheess 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
The flag was automatically marked as 'disputed' because reviewers deemed it good enough. Only moderators can decline a flag. Had a moderator encountered the flag, they would have declined the flag as it is an attempt at answering, as opposed to complete misuse of the answer text box (e.g. "I have the same question" or "I don't get the answer posted here, it turned my screen blue", or "you say you twiddled the frobnar, can you show us what that looked like?"). — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Yeah, raise a mod flag. Even if it gets reversed by the system then we still have a case where at least two sock-puppets are voting. That needs to be stopped and accounts nuked. A mod is happy to pull that trigger .... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Thanks for reporting this, I've handled it. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Undelete and reopen votes are also public, but they're basically the other half of the votes Luuklag mentioned — Zoe 55 secs ago
 
12:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@zcoop98 - I am not really sure how pleonasms help readability and understanding of rules that are important to grasp as easily as possible (none mentioned above bears an extra meaning - I thought we should strive to be as clear and concise as possible ). That said, these are just the suggestions (seems like they will be rejected) I think could benefit the help center page. — Oleg Valter 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lino
@PTN maybe post the link to that issue here as well — Lino 31 secs ago
 
12:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Manuel
How would I do that and what is a CM? — Manuel 1 min ago
 
12:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Manuel Unfortunately there are way too many abbreviations used on Stack Overflow. A CM is a Community Manager employed by Stack Inc. I have no idea how to "Ask for a Community Manager". I was under the impression only moderators could directly contact them. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
12:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Honestly, you need very little attention to see it's closed by 5 voters. Things like the wrong tag do indicate you at least scrolled far enough to have read the body and have read the tags, but spotting 5 close votes is one of the first things you'll read. This should be fixed. — Erik A 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
This looks like a bug to me as the Roomba is supposed to only take into account downvotes at least 2 days old. See meta.stackexchange.com/q/269392/323179Laurel 1 min ago
 
1:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@MartijnPieters I found so many more within minutes - should I raise a mod flag for all of them? — leonheess 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
@leonheess The "within" one was a bounty. — akuzminykh 1 min ago
 
2:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Just a note you need to actually check the source, not the rep graph. Your within got a 400 rep bounty, the other votes on it did get corrected — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@Nick Check Dec 18 '19 for irregularities on within (: — leonheess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
I did, "the other votes on it did get corrected.... The issue is more when ... they repeat the voting after it is corrected"Nick 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I don't agree. Audits are only there to make sure you pay attention, they are not there to test your reviewing skills. I'm all for there being little tells that you're seeing an audit, it offsets the fact that there are quite some terrible audit questions. — Gimby 56 secs ago
 
2:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@Nick So you think this 240+ rep change out of which 70 got corrected is otherwise legitimate? — leonheess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
No, but the reversal often misses stuff (I've got plenty of downvotes which were mass downvotes where not all were reverted), what's important is that they appear to have learned from the mistake — Nick 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@Nick O.o⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ — leonheess just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Smith
this issue appears to be resolved now — Martin Smith 56 secs ago
 
3:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
No, time is not altered. I am often editing answers and every time after 5 min I see "edited" appears. To count that 5 min creation date should be preserved. Btw: you have the same link twice in your post, once you call it "my answer" and another time "another answer". — Sinatr 1 min ago
 
3:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
I think you should custom flag anything similar that you find suspicious. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
It has been undeleted. You should consider removing the answer you put inside of the question and re-post it as an actual answer. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
 
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4:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Some user gain more than 2K reputation in a week. Posting users seems bit.. odd. — Scratte 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zinna
Thanks Martin, I saw it. For meta SOF question, do I need to accept one answer as the way in regular SOF? — Zinna 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
It doesn't scale, that's why. Sure, you might be able to handle 20-30 questions per day with that, but that site cannot compare to the pure volume SO receives. We also expect people to make an effort, and don't forget that some times, attempts to help new users is ironically met by the new user with hostility - as in the asker goes nuclear or worse on the person who wants to help. Also what Gimby said ^ — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
The truth is the unlisted option: Stack Overflow is a different type of site. Q&A site, knowledge base, etc. etc. it has been said so many times already. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@Scratte Definitely. But if a user with 500 rep and 10 posts gets all 10 posts upvoted within minutes of each other I think suspicion is warranted, don't you think? — leonheess 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I suspect that if those us that spend our time answering on SO, and not asking, were "expected to answer questions with pictures of code, a lack of apparent effort, and "give me" with no actual question questions the majority would stop using the site. Being "expected" to transcribe code from an asker is one of my biggest pet peeves, along side "I have this problem, but I didn't bother to Google the error cause I am lazy; give me the solution" questions. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anatolyg
I agree that what we (SO) are doing looks more reasonable than what they (Matlab) are doing. Maybe I should have asked them instead of asking here? I think they don't have anything like a Meta site though. — anatolyg 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@leonheess Yes, that seems unlikely to happen naturally. But flagging it should be enough, no? I only questioned the need to post the links in a comment. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anatolyg
@Gimby Looks like you are onto something here. Clarify? — anatolyg just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yatin
Reproducible on Google Chrome Version 86.0.4240.111 (Official Build) (64-bit) — Yatin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@Scratte Maybe it's just me but I am very hesitant to use the mod flags inflationary so I was reluctant the flag all of them. Robert Longson's comment curbed that reluctance and I did flag them. However, even though I contemplated deleting the comment, I ultimately decided against it out of contempt for these rep fraudsters. They brought any unwanted attention they might get on themselves. — leonheess 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@leonheess Not everyone that is serial upvoted did it to themselves. Some users get serial upvoted because some other user decides to reward them on all of their posts. How can you tell the difference from where you're at? — Scratte 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PTN
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
If I have to assume, Matlab Answers is basically a help desk, any questions will be answered whatever the quality is, even if it has been asked so many times (there's no concept of duplicate question over there?). SO is more of a wiki-based Q&A site: there's a quality bar (just like articles on Wikipedia can be deleted if they're not notable/meet the minimum quality), less duplicate (Wikipedia redirection from similar terms), etc... — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@Scratte Valid point. That is also why I omitted the user from the initial question. However, this comment will probably only be seen by the few people that stumble upon this comment section so I think it's okay. — leonheess 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
It's really unclear what you're asking here, but you can always contest dupe closure by voting to reopen and edit, as well as engaging in discussion (and just to be abundantly clear, a constructive discussion. No attacks or assumptions - explain your position, nothing else) with one or more of the closevoters. — Zoe 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Does the last section of the help not answer this for you? If not what still confuses you? — Robert Longson 47 secs ago
 
6:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by β.εηοιτ.βε
There was no real reason to add it as an answer when it was a comment already. — β.εηοιτ.βε 1 min ago
 
6:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
External links die - profile pics stored in an SSO system isn't an exception. They're not updated if they die either — Zoe 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Not sure where comment about "converting comment into answer is against SO rules" is very strange - we definitely welcome providing answer even if it is 100% copied from comment (properly attributed/wiki post)... (not @ - replying to commenter as they clearly don't want that) — Alexei Levenkov 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Spectric
This actually seems feasible. — Spectric 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
Normally people drop in with "But they'll just ignore the warning sign" on this type of suggestion, so to anyone thinking that, I say that's not a problem here. If we know every person who posts an image as code has done so ignoring a big honking warning, then there's no reason to hope that a comment will change their mind and curators can feel more confident about straight up voting to close. — Davy M just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sur
I think the image was deleted or that it didn't follow the copyright laws. — sur 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
Can't be 100% certain but I think I have had such an audit with only 3 fake close voters. Maybe I was dreaming? — Adrian Mole 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pirho
@Sinatr Thanks. Fixed. Btw; I guess the "answer id" in the url reveals also something. My: 64658739 vs. another: 64658736. — pirho 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
I just use this: "According to How to Ask, don't post images of code." — 10 Rep 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Legit that is the best solution. Why hasn't SE implemented this? — 10 Rep 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
I never cv a post which has potential to improve, since that is going against SO's mission to provide a repository of knowledge. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
 
8:07 PM
Got a notification now stating that the server is down ... I'll check when I get up tomorrow.
 

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