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2:54 AM
@andras I'm "mad" that Madara called my feedback "crap" this ending any hope of having a reasonable discussion. I'm mad that my feedback was summarily deleted, but that was only George as far as I know. I'm mad at the whole decision and a lot of other things; and I'm fairly certain that I'm right to be mad about all of those things, though "mad" should probably be replaced with "sad" in all of those contexts.
 
usr
8:31 AM
I understand it must be an incredibly frustrating situation for you.

The censorship question is a tradeoff. I acknowledge that there are reasons to do it. I think it's clearly the wrong choice but all the arguments for and against have been made and there's nothing I can add.

I personally don't understand why power users are still answering. It has become so boring. That's why I left after many happy years on the site.

I also don't understand why so many people are still engaged with the meta process. The behavior of the company *and* the behavior of the mods with that censorship is so f
The investment that the QA site needs is tiny compared to the total company expenses. If they fixed the top 10 community asks incl. big ones it would cost them 1% additional expense on top of what they spent so far (tens of millions). The company could snap their fingers and fix everything.
Would you mods acknowledge that there are good reasons why the community is enraged? Would the staff agree? Or is this seen as people being unreasonably angry?
 
9:31 AM
I (personally, as I can't speak for the rest of the mod team, although I can cautiously predict many would agree) acknowledge that the power users of the site are enraged for good reasons. As a power user myself, I feel many of the pains. I have also spoken to staff members about this, and I can tell that they understand this, too.
However, your statement about expenses and costs is not based on real information, I don't have this information either. Stack Exchange is, at the end of the day, a for-profit company, and that means that business needs as the company perceives them trumps the re
Your concerns regarding censorship are not invalid. The system doesn't help out there very much, what with silent deletion of comments (which were designed to be transient and fleeting, but that doesn't work that well on meta), we're looking at ways to mitigate that. One direction we've been thinking is an archive of meta comments so that at least context remains even if comments are deleted.
None of us mods have any interest (or patience, really, do you know how much work it is to censor opinions?) to censor anyone. We simply want to keep things civil and to the point. That's the crux of t
We don't want to stifle discussion, on the contrary, we want to enable discussion by asking people to not go on wild tangents or dig 4 levels of meta deeper than is needed for the discussion.
 
I'm certain you don't speak for all when you say "we don't want to stifle discussion"
 
@AndrasDeak I'm certain I speak, at the very least, for every single moderator on the site.
@AndrasDeak our is the word there, sorry :)
 
Ah, OK :) Thanks.
@MadaraUchiha I'll believe you because you're one of the few mods I have great respect for, but it sure doesn't look like that at times
 
To tell you that there are no staff member that just want to forget that meta exists and move on with their lives? I can't tell you that and be completely truthful with myself.
 
nah, I don't care about staff
 
9:40 AM
There's a name for this phenomenon: The Fatal Attribution Problem
Someone who just comes into meta, and sees that 80% of all comments are angry rants about how bad things are, and they don't think there are circumstances that caused this, they think that meta is full of negative lunatics that only want to complain all day.
And as SE is recruiting more and more staff, more and more staff are only exposed to this side of meta, rather than the reasonable, collected, discussing side.
@AndrasDeak Sure you do. They hold most of the cards here.
 
I'm aware of that, but I don't have any illusions nor unrealistic expectations towards employees. Unlike our elected moderators.
As I've said earlier, the only thing democratic about SO is our moderator election process, so it matters a lot to me whether some of our mods try to sabotage any community efforts.
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usr
1:54 PM
Will be interesting to see the next round of moderator election.

I don't think many people are questioning the for-profit nature of the site. The founders were very clear about this from the first podcasts. I don't see much complaining about ads or pay product in general. The complaints are always very specific. For example, some sites now have animated ads and scam ads.

If you think about the absolutely enormous amount of time that went into coding and running Stack Overflow until this point... What percentage of that would be an ask wizard? What percentage would be a better search? It w
I would like to gain some insight into the internal structure of the company.
> But as developers who worked in business-oriented organizations in the past, we know this is often a long and painful process, this "figuring out ourselves" thing.

I have not worked in such an environment. I imagine there are competing forces. Some understand the project and care, some are fairly disinterested, have typical business attitudes and fundamentally do not understand the magic that keeps this place alive.
meta.stackexchange.com/questions/331654/… There you go. A staff post upvoted a lot. Why? Because it makes sense! The community does NOT categorically downvote. It's just that the staff actions have been unsatisfactory many times.
This brings us back to the censorship thing. Some people think the community is bonkers. But no, they are actually quite reasonable in my mind. The company is bonkers and the community rubs it in their face!
 
If you're after company employees posts largely upvoted, there's a bunch of them, even in the last weeks
 
usr
Good, that strengthens my point further. Look at people are going out of their way to praise that new feature. They want to have a good relationship to the company.
 
The effort has even been acknowledged largely: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/387370/…
I wonder if the employee status is visible in SEDE, this may help getting a better overview
Seems not
 
 
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6:53 PM
@MadaraUchiha This question was unfeatured by Robert yesterday. Since another one hasn't taken its place on the featured board, should we assume the mod team is accepting the current community response (largely "no" to the question/announcement you posed)? If not, then shouldn't it still be featured?
 
And something should happen vis-a-vis George's vendetta (for lack of a better word).
whatever the mods do it should be something resembling a group decision rather than apparent rambo events
I'm pretty sure we can all eventually accept any setup as long as it's not a personal whim but a conscious choice by the majority of our active elected moderators.
 
i mean, that post alone was a choice by the moderators, was it not?
downvoted or otherwise
> It is the opinion of the moderation team that this change is overdue. If you have compelling arguments against it, please post an answer below. We want this to happen.
 
@KevinB Sure, and honestly I'm not at all opposed to some cleanup/tightening of meta comment moderation. I am, however, completely opposed to whatever you can call George's recent activity.
I'd be in favor of deleting trite, snide, joke, rude/unfriendly, etc. comments at a much higher rate
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his recent activity does fall under the given guidelines, if not a bit too strictly
 
I'm not at all in favor of deleting comments just because they are discussions. It's absurd to argue that all comments should be questions or answers, which is basically George's position
 
7:23 PM
@KevinB that post was a question whether we want the suggestion.
 
7:35 PM
eh, it looks like way more than that
 
7:52 PM
@AndrasDeak Actually it was not a question, but rather a declaration. I made it more clear with an edit (including the title), but then Madara changed the title to be in the form of the question.
I commented that that was a little misleading given the bold "plan for change" that the question mentions but haven't gotten a response from that
2 days ago, by TylerH
@MadaraUchiha Eh, rephrasing the title in the question that way is misleading when it's the intent of the team to implement this by default unless there is some massive backlash/disagreement from the community. Phrasing it as 'the mod team intends to do this' is much more true to intentions IMO. Unless you've changed your mind on that?
 
all I know is that Madara seemed to have agreed with me that it's not a done deal
Agreed. I have been deleting comments very sparingly, and only when flagged on this thread (most commonly, obsolete comments leftover from the deletion of others). Until a decision is made, moderators should act the same as they always have. — Madara Uchiha ♦ 2 days ago
until said "decision is made" publicly I refuse to pretend that it's done
George on the other hand seems to think that the question was pointless to begin with, because the people who object to his process are exactly the people who he doesn't consider to matter. At least that's what I could gather from his evasive responses. Relevant discussion starting here
 
it appears as though he's stopped
 
@KevinB you can't be infallible and omnipresent
 
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he's probably doing something else, like commute or dinner or sleep
 
7:59 PM
he's been active on-site for the last few hours
 
that doesn't necessarily mean he's moderating ofcourse
 

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