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11:00 AM
eh....Sometimes it does
We got laid off for a week, but they wanted us to work Sat/Sun. The problem is, if we worked Sunday, we wouldn't get our unemployment for that week, because our payroll was Mon-Sun, but the unemployment office looked at a week as Sun-Sat
MOST people gave your choice, as it was a better financial move
 
Basically, we had a choice, get 40% of a weeks pay a week sooner, or get over 80% a few weeks later... Which would you pick?
 
depends on the economy
 
I worked for an auto-maker, we made good money....
 
auto as in car?
 
11:07 AM
Yes... I worked in a plant where we made engines.
 
My parents just asked me if one can find out the BCC members of an email... I am curious what they want it for :D
 
BCC? Big Cuddly Cannibals?
 
Blind Carbon Copy :D
Though I like yours as well
 
:)
In all seriousness, an app like that might be VERY popular...
 
11:12 AM
Yup... I told them there is a reason that there is a difference between CC and BCC :D
 
I would DEFINITELY be interested in knowing all the cannibals who are secretly receiving the same email as me!
 
So you could cuddle them? :3
 
Umm.....no. :P
 
I am curiously awaiting an answer on my question from my mother xD
 
Seriously, is it possible to get the BCC info?
 
11:14 AM
If you know the admin of the Exchange server and the mail went over it, you can get the SMTP id when opening the mail in notepad and go to him with the id. This can be linked with the secrectly sent mails as well
Other than that apparently not, no
And quote from a forum where I got the above from:
> Any administrator that provides that information should be disciplined.
lmao
 
Wow...chat dies fast here
 
Yeah it does :/
 
Let me guess, you are thinking about Email..
 
No I am taking breaks in the shower under cold water whimpering about Java
 
12:14 PM
What would be a good time to update a boolean value? All 10 seconds?
It determines whether a background process is running and based on the status changes will be made to the GUI.
Or a smaller timeframe? Like 1 second
 
Depends on what changes will be made?
 
Buttons en/disable
I think I will have a look on it running with one second. 10 is definitely too much
 
Button for???
 
THINGS!!!
Everything that can only be executed if the background-process is running (or not running depending on the action)
 
Can you be a little more specific? It COULD change the answer
 
12:26 PM
The background process is a ChatBot. A few things may only be done when the bot is running (sending messages for example) and a few only when the bot is not running (starting ot for example).
Now I am trying to utilize a BooleanProperty I am updating on a regular schedule to make the changes to the UI by enabling/disabling buttons that may only be used in specific states of the Bot
I was not aware that it actually matter what the buttons are for. Pardon my offhand answer
 
@berserk where are you
heeyyyyy @geisterfurz007
geisssssssssssssss
 
What am I? Chopped liver?
 
hugs @Joe'sMorgue
 
chopped liver lol
 
EWwwwww.......
 
12:35 PM
hey @Joe'sMorgue
 
eww to what? Chopped liver or the hug? :D
 
user8063991
\o
 
\o
 
12:36 PM
^^
 
o/
 
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
 
I'm gone for an hour, expecting to return to 3098263 new messages
 
IT WORKS :O
 
In reality, there is like 50 new
 
12:39 PM
Yeah noone is here expecpt for CF, some chopped liver and me
 
lol
 
Gee....Thanks
 
What's going on today?
 
12:42 PM
There is only one thing we can do when it is quiet
spam
 
@Joe'sMorgue Why are you asking?
 
Trying to start a conversation in the room, it might lead to something productive
 
@Joe'sMorgue trying to get some graphical details up and running
ïn my game
 
What game?
EWWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwww.................................
 
12:47 PM
@Joe'sMorgue my strategy game
@geisterfurz007 that is the problem in my game xD
It sounds good, but it doesn't work
 
xD
Feeling you
 
Details?
 
Blender composite -> sounds good, but it doesn't work
Blur filter in jMonkeyEngine -> Sounds good, but it doesn't work (on ANdroid)
I'm trying to add a halo to a sun model, but it just looks like this:
 
user8063991
 
Even after adding blender composite
using jme3 blur crashes the game
 
12:50 PM
@Joe'sMorgue Apparently not :c
 
It should work != does work
This code works != does work
I better do something productive ;)
 
Elaborate on your game please.
I have a concept for a war-based game I'd LOVE to do
 
@Joe'sMorgue Sure, I have to do it over multiple messages though. You will know (or get to know) when I'm finished
It is a turn-based strategy taking place in space.
It is a mix of war with diplomacy, probably something in the lines of a 4X game ( [eXplore, eXpand, eXploit, and eXterminate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4X) ,). Basically, during the game you research tech to improve your fleet and colonies to expand faster, until the inevitable point where you end up at war with some other species for some reason
Who wins is a lose term as it is possible to win by getting rid of all your enemies and allying with the rest, or exterminate everyone. Possibly I'll add some special victories as well
There will also be pirates randomly scattered over the universe. Trade convoys can be intercepted and destroyed by these
And it is tile-based and with 3D graphics
 
1:05 PM
I want to do an RPG game with a twist...
Actually, I want to do a few, ALL running the same engine
 
Do you have an engine?
 
Medieval, cowboy, current, modern and future.
I do not
 
What is the twist?
 
NPCs on each game can actually be a REAL player playing on a different theme...
 
That would require a lot of networking
 
1:08 PM
YOU, playing Cowboy fights my guy in future, I shoot my plasma rifle at you, but you see me with a deer rifle. You shoot back with a bow, and I see you with a plasma pistol
 
That is sick
 
Weapons do the same damage along the same scale, as well as your defenses...
 
Would as well help with filling the world on all themes
 
that sounds awesome
but hard
to make
What plans do you have as to graphics? (2D, 3D, isometric...)
 
Basically, ALL can run on the same server, but your GUI front end changes...
Not sure
 
1:11 PM
If you are planning 3D, I will recommend jMonkeyEngine. You can run it in whatever IDE you already have, and it is java based and can be imported as a gradle dependency
And it supports bullet physics through a library, which will make it easier for you considering you have to deal with projectiles
Are you planning to make it cross-platform?
 
I'd love to...
 
(here I go about jme3 again) jme3 is cross-platform
The same base code can be run on a lot of platforms
 
My war based game would be ALL platforms. Turn based. LOW interaction...
 
jme3 at least supports android, ios (so they say at least), windows and other platforms with Java and opengl
as far as I understand, jMonkeyEngine can run on the same java code on the supported platforms
You can add like Android customizations if you want, but it isn't required
(looking aside manifest and AndroidHarness)
(and dependencies)
 
Microsoft has a cross-platform IDE that cross compiles...
 
1:16 PM
Which is that again?
 
I don't know the name...
 
Visual Studio* is the only IDE I know from Microsoft
 
same with me
Tried using VS for C++ once, but it didn't want to compile
 
I think that's it
It's a new feature
 
VS can be used or any platform, yes, but I don't think you can write cross-platform code without an API/engine
like jMonkeyEngine or Cordova or xamarin
 
1:20 PM
Well, you can compile to run on any platform
 
You still need the appropriate platform API's though
I assume ANdroid needs the NDK to compile
to be able to run on android*
2 stars away from attempted integration with a save
Baking in Blender takes for ever :/
 
1:36 PM
turn the oven up a few degrees
dad jokes
and I am only 17...
Should I be worried?
 
I'm 16 and have had those jokes since I can remember. I should be more worried than you, but you should also be worried ;)
It is of great concern
do you know what the one stockfish said to the other? No time no sea
get it? @geisterfurz007
 
no and I am unsure if I should feel good or bad about it ^^'
 
stockfish (I used google translate on that one) are fish that have been dried
so the one dried fish said to the other "long time no SEA"
 
you wrote no time :c
awkward silence
 
I had to rename some textures
4 models with .obj, .mtl and .png comes in at 8 mb
total
in about 10 minutes it is screenshot time
 
1:49 PM
To visualize your progress?
 
To share here
 
Oh :D
 
the bake is finished
I hope this cake is as goo... wait
this is no cake
THIS IS A TEXTURE!
 
the cake is a lie
 
:P
let me just commit this to git
Going to tag it with v 0.06
 
1:54 PM
This is a lot of fun :D You can make your area to type in so small you can barely see your last typed letter ^^
 
lol
do you develop for Android?
@geis
 
Nope
I only program in Java because it is the one taught in college and the one my company hired me for :D
I am looking forward to learning a new programming language in about a year maybe
<-- retard
 
I learned a few programming languages before I started with Android
Python, batch, some more I dont remember the name on
 
I was taught Pascal during highschool (I do remember how to program with it, but I tried it once and it was super uncomfortable) taught myself decent amount of batch and then almost only did Java since
 
I still like Java though, I learned it first but it is the only I remember today
It is the only one I find that makes sense, and that I like
Probably C(/++/#) are similar, but I never tried it because I couldn't get it to compile
it didn't recognize the namespace declaration (C++)
 
2:06 PM
I like both batch and Java. Batch is reeeeeaally helpful if you need something small for some filesystem actions. For example I wrote myself a small script executing every 3 hours after start of my computer to check for differences of files between a zip file and a driver folder.
If there are any, I am prompted to check the files and then a backup is saved as zip file again
And Java... well its Java
 
Oh and I did some node.js lately, but not much and not really learning
 
While Java has a lot of boilerplate, I still like it. It is (IMO) easy while flexible
I can't stand those programming languages that have a "var" or "val" or something similar
Like Kotlin, PHP, JavaScript and probably more
they are messy
 
I must have been 100% retard mode when I wrote this stuff...
 
wrote what?
 
2:10 PM
code I am working on
 
What does it do?
 
@geisterfurz007 I know the feeling...
 
Hmmm... what would be a good idea? comparing the name of one object with the trigger that is supposed to be set and not the new name? That makes sense...
 
This one game I made has such retarded code I have no idea how it works xD
The main game class (not activity) has 1700 lines of mess
 
Do you put cuss words in your code?
 
2:12 PM
110% mess
 
@LunarWatcher Checking if an object with similar properties already exists. Does not work though if you are comparing the wrong things...
 
no @Joe'sMorgue
I tried making some custom annotations
A custom annotation
for getters and setters
Tried following a tutorial on custom annotations, but I need a processor
and that processor runs on javax code which for some reason I can't access
 
@Joe'sMorgue Surprisingly I only did that once in its own dedicated program. After I fucked up my first driving license test. I recently deleted it again. But no that was not firendly. Almost every variable, object, string was swearing
 
Oh... And I found a comment: //TODO HOW DOES THIS F*CKING SHIT WORK?! after messing with binding properties of UI components for about 30 minutes straight
 
2:15 PM
Did you write it?
 
depends on who wants to know
 
I've looked at code, thought it was shit, so I re-wrote it to make it better, and crashed my entire app
 
lol
that sucks...
 
I was ready to put "Don't F*-in change this!" in my code
 
I tried rewriting the code for a previous game
It ended up crashing and I used local history to revert it
forgot the screenshots, brb
 
2:17 PM
I have like 30 copies of my code sitting somewhere on my NAS...It's just finding the old version that I'm happy with that is difficult
 
I use git now
After fucking up my code a ton of times, I find it easier to make a branch for testing and discard it if I fuck up
 
I have a NAS that supports GIT, but I don't understand how to configure it...
 
I remeber that in out IDE for pascal (Lazarus) during highschool we got a mysterious error `SIGSEGV` during program execution.
Now that I understand what the forces were behind all the stuff I realized it was a NullPointerException speaking in Java terms. After realizing that I felt dumb, because I had to take hours to find the problem.

Our teacher told us that "this error could mean anything"
 
took me 20 minutes to get it up and running
 
Just tell us we are accessing stuff that is not there ffs
 
2:19 PM
^
Some languages work in mysterious ways
 
Pascal in HS...Wow! My classes taught BASIC on C64's...Then again, I'm old
 
lucky you
high school in my country doesn't involve coding
sadly
 
The school I was on was one of the few in closer range. However a teacher told me that they managed to have computer science as a requirement for every school in our state
@LunarWatcher even more impressive you know as much about coding and the languages
I probably would not even be coding if I did not have it in school...
 
I found software and how it works interesting
so I started looking into it, and thought that was interesting
so I decided to learn Java
It escalated from there
Into webdev, batch, python, attempting C++ (failed because compiler didn't want to)
Tried android too, but couldn't get it to compile (errors everywhere in eclipse). it wasn't until I watched a movie and got provoked by how simplified they made Android dev that I got into Android. I made the compiling work and created my first ap pfrom a youtube tutorial
And I just realized you @geisterfurz007 are working even though you are 17 with coding
 
The younger you start coding, the easier it is to do...
 
2:31 PM
that applies to everything. Younger people learn faster
 
Yeah
 
Yeah lucky circumstances ^^
I got to school really early and had the luck that I was in a changed school system where school is not 13 (standard in Germany), but 12 years so I saved a year.
I came through school quite fine and managed to get a job at a local city administration for a dual study. Means they are paying me my college and in return I am working for them during the holidays and after I finished the college for a while. And I am getting an education "degree" as well.
So when I am done I am an educated software engineer and got a bachelor in computer science.
 
@geisterfurz007 The mandatory education in Norway is 10 years
 
Yeah same in Germany
 
Then there is another 3 years where you are guaranteed a place (but not necessarily at what you want to study)
 
2:36 PM
sorry for the confusion
 
Then 0-8 years if you want further education
0 for none, 3 bachelor, 5 master and 8 doctor (I guess those vary though in some cases)
@geisterfurz007 @Joe'sMorgue the models in the game
all 5 stars
on the left is class 5 and on the right is class 1
in between in descending order is 4 3 and 2
 
In Germany you have 4 years primary school, then kids split up in three sections, those who are not that intelligent go to once school, those that are decent to another (both 6 years) and the greater ones go to another school where the education goes on for 8 more years. After school you can choose whether you want to make a practical education (usually 3 years I think) or a study (3-4 for bachelor) or neither.
 
The norwegian system is very different
 
Yeah sounded like it ^^
 
the first 10 years are shared, then the next 3 are split into different groups based on what the individual person applied to
german^
norwegian ^
I'm 23 years old when I'm finished with 5 years in a university
 
2:45 PM
Looks way cleaner..
 
It is
There isn't as much splitting
as in the german system
 
Yeah and exceptions and stuff
 
There aren't any grades until 8th grade
 
WHAT?!
That's cheating xD
 
lol
They wouldn't matter anyways
There is no applying for any schools until 10th grade
 
2:48 PM
We had some in 3rd grade :)
 
If the first 7 years would have grades, that could create pressure on the kids
 
It certainly did, yeah
 
which could result in more fails on exams in 10th grade
Which may lead to fails on exams in 13th grade, which leads to no finished education -> basic education -> lower pay and harder to find work
 
Yeah, just like Germany wants it \o/ :P
 
2:50 PM
Did not see :/
 
It was a very bad joke
very very very bad joke
silence
 
Yeah I am fixing some things one a program that I thought was ready, but as usual I made the mistake to attempt another fix...
 
Yeah...
 
3:07 PM
ffs "Asset not found" - I need WireColor.j3md
 
3:23 PM
I'm back
 
\o
 
trying to create this grid
So I need to create a box with WireFrame
the wire shader has been deprecated and removed
copying it into my project so I can use it ends up with a compile error
 
Now you know why it was removed though ;>
 
3:33 PM
It was removed because it was replaced
it worked in 2010
(at least that is what I have heard)
I need all the components to get it to work
 
What was it replace with?
 
Unshaded.j3md
Doesn't support wireframe though :/
So I need to make my own shader
 
wow :c
 
As it wasn't hard enough dealing with vertex and fragment shaders (I still remember my OpenGL days) I also have to deal with a .j3md file
And I have no clue what the syntax in it is
I miss openGL
I liked openGL
 
Why don't you use it?
Too late to return? :D
 
3:42 PM
It is desktop only :/
 
OpenGL ES is the Android version (and ios)
but 1) It is horribly documented and 2) it is VERY different from OpenGL
I could use libGDX
It looks like OpenGL
nvm
The thing about API's is that it often limits what I have to do
OpenGL is complicated but fun once you get into it
 
Have you looked at Kotlin?
 
3:59 PM
/afk enjoying the evening with some Elder Scrolls Online
 
@geisterfurz007 Cya later
 
@Joe'sMorgue me?
 

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