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18:11
well I feel like there aren't enough of us here
those that are - well we've already talked in the room about this
yeah, but we dont have to discuss right now
wait until more are able to discuss
Yea. Kendall is pingable but I don't see him in the room. I gather he's grown a distaste for me.
hmm
idk how I feel about the rules specifically, but I do know that the stuff contributed by rlemon wasn't conducive to a positive work environment room
my team lead sits right behind me. I don't want to have to worry about being in this room that I get so much out of getting me in trouble
well we're here for the rules discussion, so lets stick with that. He's not around anymore. obviously if he does come back, he'll have to abide by whatever gets decided here
I'm generally agreeable. However, if we're weighing contributions I feel like I only help once or twice a day.
18:15
yea at that rate i'd not even count my contribution per day!
I'm here only to answer Kendall's weird questions.
like why isn't he here yet? :)
I dunno, but I feel like I lost my purpose in life.
rather than binning stuff like that, it should get flagged. that allows others outside the room to weigh in via agree/disagree (10k+ only). also, if enough agree, the user gets a 30 minute ban
Last seen 4 hours ago.
18:18
at the same time I dunno
I feel like that's harsh.
how relevant is democracy for that anyways?
perhaps for one message, but for a recurring problem it serves as a slap on the wrist
I'd agree with kyle - I would have preferred a flag as well
Say this situation happens again with @JohanLarsson. If I bin his messages, he keeps cool and life continues unobstructed. Say he does it again, well then maybe a temporary ban is appropriate.
18:20
if you're concerned your boss will think less of stack overflow/of you because he sees people swearing, it's not because a bunch of users say that the f word is not offensive that it won't get you in trouble
the attitude change is already visible
the edit!
i know right
I'm not concerned at all. You'd have to be in my cube to see this monitor, and I don't think anyone cares about language here. But that's not the same for everyone.
goes to show how frequently we tend to use the word
and yet we're on our toes right now
@zneak I feel ya mon
I'm in open space
I use it very liberally but I try to be somewhat careful online with it
18:22
and my seats first seat - so everybody pretty much has to see my screen as they pass behind me to do pretty much anything
honestly, IMO, the comic he posted wasn't that bad, and wasn't worth even calling him out on it. If he had continued to post similar things unprovoked, then I would have been concerned.
I'm just not sure if it's okay to say it in meta-discussions
@zneak it's more the images I'm concerned about.
and yet, from my teammates to my ceo all have stood next to me and nobody has ever asked me whats going on (i'm pretty sure nobody actually bothered to read this font size)
If I knew it'd become a thing, I wouldn't have said anything. I said it was NSFW for a hypothetical person who might care.
18:23
@KyleTrauberman another thing that I would have liked to weigh in was that it wasn't readily visible. I couldn't even read it until I opened it so it was an opt in
@Maverik I agree. It's more for the environment of the room. It should be like an office. We can have fun, but don't go passing around possibly NSFW material, even if it's "probably not a big deal" for most (like me), it might be for some
@Billdr well on the bright side, it started this discussion: a good thing
@Maverik that's true.
the problem with arguments is that it polarizes a lot
I'm inclined to agree with @Pheonixblade9. However, who's going to police it? Like @Maverik said nights and weekends are pretty casual.
18:26
@Billdr well, you just did, right?
if it is a repeated problem and it makes people uncomfortable, then take action
@Billdr well theres another problem with that -> your nights may be (hypothetical) somebody elses day
if it's not and it doesn't, no worries
rlemon was like "this is totally okay and you should feel bad for thinking otherwise", and Billdr was like "you should not use it and I'm going to bin all the messages that have it"
i feel like we have such varied timezones in this room (c#) that its probably going to be day for somebody all the time
@Billder give SO your image re-size script so only thumbnails are shown in chat. Then everyone has the choice to actively click and view. This would disturb the chat less as well
18:27
@Maverik Right, that's what I'm getting at. I'm not going to sit in the room all night and watch what people say.
and in the end both approaches are wrong
@Billdr neither should you - if you're the only one doing it, we'll be back in this room!
@JohanLarsson the script runs after the image is loaded. I need to make some sort of pre-load call on it.
If I'm consistently completely off base I'll be glad to remove my owner status.
@Billdr But maybe the SO team can figure something out?
@Billdr no you had a point, a point at least I can agree with.
how it went down, that i'm not sure about.
18:30
@Billdr Just go easy on the owning perhaps?
This was the first time I've ever used it for something "serious." If my hand was a bit heavy I apologize.
yea, this seems like an old irc situation back in the day when i used to be on ops - somebodys going to take offense at your actions anyway
but it helps if you don't use your power directly if you can help it
No problem for me, but all the drama now is a good indication that it could have been smoother
and no need to apologize. it wouldn't have gone the way it did if you were the only one involved
and like others said, you did handle it better than he did in the end
i just wish it had never come down to that
just noticed ryan isn't here
guess i just needed to mention!
what did I do?
18:35
I was just pointing out that you aren't here yet. Considering you're a member of owners teams, it'd be nice to have you here
I didn't even know this was going on until now :P
Well, welcome :p
Hmm, to give people context maybe from a large corporate player:
-All of my web traffic is monitored 24/7. If I go to too many sites that contain specific key words, they get flagged. If too many sites on teh same domain get flagged than that site gets banned until review
I'm trying to figure out what "No Posting NSFW Content" means, and how it/the other rules should be enforced.
So let's say my entire team decided to go onto Chat.SO.Com and someone was swearing like a little kid who just found a new swear word, that could ban the entire SO domain for a day while our IT guys figure out why it got banned.
Which would suck for a company 76,000 strong. So I'm one for keeping the text Safe for work
18:38
flagging is a tool everyone can use, so it should be preferable to binning.
Wow, that is nasty.
If you police it too much, the room will suffer. if you don't police it, well it gets out of hand
NSFW content should be defined as anything that will get you in trouble at work?
that makes me even more inclined towards flagging
remember the nadal/steve fiasco
18:39
Pretty much: If your boss sees it, will it look bad
I'd rather see something flagged, than binned
they accused kendall and I of being on a power trip.
Unless it's an innapropriate picture - kill that thing
Well, RLemon and Zneak were saying that sort of language would fly at their job. I would't be particularly happy for my boss to walk over and see it.
agreed - but then what is inappropriate?
i'm not talking about the obvious stuff!
(Again, I don't really run a risk of it, but I've worked places where that would be a problem.)
18:41
NSWF _ profanity and pornography
what defines profanity? That is usually the community
and as an example to what I mean - take the picture that started all of this
to me that was ok - to billdr it wasn't
i didn't even see it
so no i'm not talking about T*Ts and stuff
but rather the gray zone
It had some compound vulgarity in it. If my old boss saw me looking at it, I would have been written up.
text is typically less nsfw than images
as text isn't easily recognized at a glance
18:42
I fully agree with that^^
yea me too
Seems fair.
but by that argument the picture had text too?
yes, but it wasn't an nsfw picture
you still had to read it
but the offending-ish part was the hard to read text on the picture.
18:43
@KyleTrauberman my point exactly
i would say nsfw images -> gone no questions asked
nsfw text -> use discretion, determine the intent of the user
in rlemons case, he wasn't trying to be malicious
he was just posting an image
er
don't open that
that wasn't NSFW, but had some text on it that could be considered.
<-- isn't safe for work. he's a sexy beast with a lion on his lips.
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Memes. Impact font, huge letters. Profanity. Do we count that as nsfw?
18:45
if its easily recognizable, sure
I think at that font, I wouldn't want to have it if my place considered such stuff
from the scaled down image, i mean
umm it was a link, not a thumbnail?
if its a link, i think its fine
I dont use chat at work (firewall blocks cuz chat in url) but I would be disturbed by all pics almost. Looks like fn facebook, language is not a problem at all in Sweden
18:46
but it should be tagged as nsfw
I think the general consensus is, if someone doesn't really abuse text, but uses profanity once in a f*cking while (just making a point) it's not the end of the world. However when @#%$@#% someone's 23%@#% every @#% second @#% word is @#$%#@$ stupid @#%@#% crap.. well then something should be said./removed
yes
images with large nsfw text are bad
Images that are clearly profane or vulgar at a glance are prohibited. Profanity in chat should be kept to a minimum and in good spirit.
how doyou delete a pic if it's not safe for work and someone posts it?
but if its small like that comic, its fine
I think we were saying to bin those.
opt-out images right? or all images? (by opt-out i mean the inlined full size image)
if somone posted htat, how do you delete it?
links to nsfw images are fine (with descretion, don't link porn) as long as they are tagged as nsfw
@RyanTernier you can bin it
click the room dropdown under the topic
That's starting to get a bit verbose.
18:48
and choose message management
i don't see it
not in this room
so i think an image as big as this unicorn (which attracts major attention btw!!) should be bined
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18:50
refresh the page
ahh ok
i see it
It does not sound very fast (the binning process)
but a thumbnail should be flagged instead if its not obviously nsfw?
1 message moved to C#
@JohanLarsson no, its not. there are atleast 3 clicks needed
18:51
It's faster than reporting Johan.
1 message moved from C#
flagging is one click
(and you still feel uncomfortable enough to flag it even though its not in its full size glory)
there we go
Ok, I have the solution, make Ryan owner of all things so he can send all crap to the js room!
18:53
:)
That's where it comes from anyway. WINK
i thought we are the js room
the live one anyway :P
are there really 12 room owners?
something interesting I just ran across: NSFW!!
:zneak you are the most fucking awesome developer and helper I have ever met and I fucking love you!
i notice it got recycled but i doubt we had any uproar on that?
yeah you had to see the context on this one
rlemon said that "crap", "damn" and I don,t remember what was offensive
18:56
@Billdr yeah, we made a bunch of owners because its a community process, not a fiat. power in the hands of more people == better than power in the hands of a few.
All of those binned RL messages? They happened within a few minutes of eachother.
I said that the word-that-we-shall-not-write is more offensive than these
yea its from RL
so rlemon said "@zneak you are a piece of crap", then I said that it's less offensive that "zneak is a f..er, a m..er, ..."
i'm just trying to make sense - it all happened so fast that I bet most people didn't even see it
18:57
and then he said that message to "prove" his point that it depended on context, which we already knew
@KyleTrauberman The reason I ask is a simple majority vote is going to take 7 of us :p
We've got 3 here, we can probably assume Kendall will be around in the next 24-48 hours.. some of those other duders have been gone for a bit. Do we just update the wiki and change it back if one of the other owners makes a compelling argument later?
well.. not really - it would take that much if all of you were actively monitoring
are you?
this change and now and revert later is going to cause confusion
@Billdr I don't think it should be just owners deciding, since its a community
I don't know that any of us are actively monitoring.
like when i asked earlier: what is the current standard
19:00
we can decide on something now, then refine it later as more discussion occurs
yes
we need to fill out that code of conduct page
I think we're agreeing loose swearing in chat is ok, posting nsfw images is not ok, and being belligerent is also not ok.
How does it work if I want to block a user, can I do it temporarily?
how does this sound?
* No NSFW content
  * No NSFW Images
  * NSFW Text is okay with discretion (the occasional swear word is fine, just don't make it a habit).
  * Links to NSFW images are okay if they are tagged as NSFW (with discretion, don't post links to porn)
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19:02
As a room owner? We don't have kick/ban. You can only ignore.
ok ignore then, is that a toggle thhing?
that would be my agreement star :)
Looks good. Maybe add "etc" after "porn."
I've errantly clicked on enough gore pictures to have that be a thing in my head.
Kyle I must say I am impressed by how you handled all this
[x] class
may be add bit about "use common sense and don't post links to inappropriate stuff that you wouldn't view with your family"
19:05
Even though almost nothing really happened
yes that seems clearer!
ok, I added that to the wiki
Cool.
that wiki needs to go back in rooms "pinned" topics
I'll apologize to Lemon for saying anything about his image.
19:07
@Maverik its in the room topic
And maybe update the room topic to note the code of conduct has been revised?
oh didn't notice, I'm used to seeing it in stared messages
Lemon is either offline or has me ignored. Guess that apology will have to wait.
Spiffy
19:09
well seems like we're sort of done here for now?
@Billdr I sent him a message
i wanna go plug-in my new keplar + 32 gb ram
How many here hide prn from gf?
thats sitting on my desk
has no gf
unless my pc counts!
Yea, I don't. Feels a bit awkward to watch it with her, but it's not a secret or anything.
19:11
I treat my xxx folder as first class citizen, right on desktop
I was just not in the c# room, not sure why I didn't get a ping saying I was mentioned in another room. you need to @rlemon for that ;)
When I typed @rl your name didn't appear.
because I left the room. only current room members should appear (iirc)
actually, scratch that, I have no idea how that works.
Anyway, I'm sorry for calling out your picture.
but I didn't ignore you, just and left the room
it's cool. I probably was being a dick about it as well (morning, trying too prove point, general dickhead anyways :P)
19:14
@JohanLarsson :P
good now kiss and make up!
I'm not kissing any Canadian.
lol why did u remove that now!
using upload feature
though that is spot on!
how do you guys find these gifs so quickly!
19:15
google
@Billdr bs, you say you would not kiss zneak?
@billdr Your loss. Canadian girls > US girls any day of the week
i know but i have to browse through images to find the right one - and you guys are instant!
@RyanTernier Brazilian girls>*
19:15
user image
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i love that version. :P
@Billdr Sorry, Canadian girls can be blond, and have brazilians.
hows that for NSWF
@KyleTrauberman you can edit, clear input, upload any images
and now I'll upload it
ahh, I didn't clear the input before uploading
right i feel like we're all good now - so imma go open my Zotac 670 AMP XD
i'll catch you guys tomorrow /afk now
19:17
when you flag an image as being offensive, who gets the notice?
10K+ users and admins iirc
I'm heading home as soon as the CEO isn't right next to me.
hmm, i just flagged your test image as offensive because it's ugly, and I didn't see any notification :P
Pretty sure it's just the +10kers
Is there a flag leaderboard?
19:18
yes
err no
star leaderboard
who is vinay

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