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Its great to see a lot of the same faces in here everytime I visit lol
comparatively speaking few people are invested in the running of the site and few people use chat, so the intersection here amounts to very few users
@user1130176 let's assume for a moment we would re-open that question (don't count on it , I did cast a delete vote), what answer are you going to add? Or what new answers do you expect to see? And when would you conclude: The question is answered now
I dont agree with the system @user1130176 but I do understand why it is the way it is and honestly maybe were better for it generally when I search google and find a relevant stack question I get the answers I was seeking
This time tomorrow we'll have 2 new mods
I stay blurry
20:02
so maybe the solution is to remove the google crawler from closed questions
that's not a bad idea for non-dupes
Questions that have been answered get closed by the community
:)
@JosephWilliamson \o/
@user1130176 Well, we already do that. it's called deletion. I still remember the wedding cake question. Has a really awesome cake. But it's WAY off topic. It had to go
@user1130176 something like this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/209905/…
20:04
Sometimes we close questions and just leave them. They don't need deletion but are still useful
Dont think its discrimination the "police" place a nice "protected" stamp on post to PREVENT drawn out discussions
@rene yeah but not quite, what i'm saying is there are useful and highly active questions that are in a good way gotten to from google, but are in a bad way closed as off topic
i just think that the closed as off topic is often tone deaf to the value and engagement of the community, not always, but a lot of the time, and i was hoping to find a moderator here who agreed with me so i could vote for you
If it was closed as offtopic why did the OP not modify the question to be on topic?
i'm guessing out of frustration they went to reddit or something
we don't mind that
we don't have to cater for everyone and for all content
20:07
true but why not let a good high value conversation continue, what value does it add to shut it down?
some broad topics are a better fit elsewhere
feels like no moderators here are receptive to being less gung ho on their flagging behaviors, but thanks for giving me a forum to at least bring up the topic
@user1130176 it is not shut down, we simply established that the question as asked, can't have a definitive answer. You're more then free to ask a new question with a specific problem you're facing today while referencing answers you tried from a post that was closed in 2011.
That would be interesting and useful content for visitors today and years to come.
@user1130176 to be fair post were not meant for discussion they were meant to get answers
@JosephWilliamson fair point, but i still maintain that there are thousands of those questions that are needlessly and without adding value shut down by flagging as off topic
20:11
@user1130176 Define "value".
A question which is open-ended and doesn't provide any concrete resolution is quite frustrating to stumble upon when you need that concreteness.
@Makotoi submit that it is far less frustrating than when you find exactly what you are seeking but find it shut down
If you find it, it is not shut down
Now noticing that I am the only one who didnt use a nickname for the site lol
thanks for the forum everyone, i at least appreciate the cordial exchange but i got no takers to entertain being less aggressive with flagging for off topic so i will vote in random order, thanks anyway
waves again
20:13
In the years that I've used Stack Overflow I've seen this crop up; I've seen questions in my search that have been closed. Does it mean that it was frustrating? Kind of, but that frustration doesn't belong to the site; it belongs to the person who asked the question to begin with.
Maybe they didn't have enough details for their question to be reasonably answered; perhaps it was too broad. It means that now I have a chance to ask it and avoid their mistakes.
are you sure we should focus our frustration on a person?
@rene Back in '13 I thought perhaps. In '14 onwards, less so
ola
hows it going?
20:15
Although the frustration is more like 60-40 these days, and that polarity can flip depending on what I'm researching.
@Makoto in a year a lot can change, obviously
@Glitchd it is going well
good, who are the candidates?
@Makoto don't cross the beams
Question is it relevant to use a nickname when signing up for stuff for your company
20:17
@Makoto, cheers
that means thanks if ur not British, i forget XD
@JosephWilliamson depends on you and your company
I'm familiar with the expression :)
Cheers, wasn't that a sitcom
At one point, sure
then it became Fraser.
huh never watched it, when was this?
20:19
Ive read all these proposals why do they all feel the same DX
@Glitchd Back in the 80's
Is there honestly anything setting these guys apart from some have been here longer
@Glitchd Mid to late 80s.
ah, thats beyond my generation lol
@JosephWilliamson read the answers on the Meta post
20:20
@JosephWilliamson I encourage you to peruse the answers to the questionnaire. That'll give you some idea.
@user1130176 FWIW, if you wish to continue the discussion, Meta is the ideal place to raise suggestions about changing site policy. Be warned, most folks on Meta generally like SO as it is, so you may want to hone your argument before posting.
There were some good questions this year
i was born in 2005
@ConspicuousCompiler I don't see us changing our stance on closing off-topic questions, like ever.
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20:21
im a young'n
What is on and off-topic may change but the stance would likely remain
good to have you on board anyway ;)
Sure, sure. Many things that used to be on-topic are off-topic now. That could go in the opposite direction. 1130176 may have an as-yet-unconsidered persuasive argument on the topic.
Better to encourage more discussion than less.
20:22
what coding languages do u guys do?
@Glitchd you can probably find anything here
anyone do binary XD
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@ConspicuousCompiler I would say that this discussion is already well-established in abundance on Meta already. A good, constructive discussion would pool what has already been stated and try to find some new angle to talk about this from.
@ConspicuousCompiler It's not that. Meta is full of curators (people who care deeply about the site). Making a suggestion to lower the quality standards would not be well received by the people who enforce them
20:23
k bye guys
addios!
aurevoir!
@ConspicuousCompiler I'm not hopeful that there is a new angle to discuss on this since...well...we're not going to lower our quality standards anytime soon. Maybe there's something to be done about educating users that closure isn't evil and that duplicates are fine.
we educate, and then we're told we're being unwelcoming ;)
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@AndrasDeak We reach the ones who want to be reached with that messaging anyway. Not too concerned about the ones who just want to pick a fight with us. We're suffering enough.
C# is what I use when I wanna have fun but I work in php at my job
20:26
@Makoto very glad to see you running by the way ;)
@AndrasDeak Thanks. I gave it a lot of consideration first.
I very much hope it wasn't in vain
I think its impressive that anyone wants to do the work for nothing in return
there are all sorts of motivations for that
Im just starting out but I will love to hear from some old timers what drives them to do it
20:29
@JosephWilliamson When you get Enough™ rep, you already are
most of us want to help others, but our judgment of teaching people to fish differ greatly
SO then why the title?
which title?
the title
oh, the title!
20:30
King of England
Maybe not that one.
If you have an outstanding rep(which all candidates do) your clearly already doing the work so why do you need the title of community moderator please dont take that in any type of way im just curious as to the reasons behind it
There are some tools only available to moderators that aren't available to 10k+ rep users. Mainly, flag handling.
@JosephWilliamson Users with high enough rep can do a lot of moderation, like edit posts without it going into a review queue, downvote things, upvote things, edit tags, etc. Moderators can do more, such as handle flags, moderate comments, discover and break voting rings, eliminate spammers, etc.
@JosephWilliamson mods still don't create content. They are janitors.
@AndrasDeak Still not wholly keen on the "janitor" label. I see your point, but still...
20:33
hyperbole, but covers the job much better than "answerer who helps those in need"
hard to steer far from the cesspool imagery ;)
even though I know that maintaining site quality at large is also not mod duty
That leads me back to the question of why do you do it @Makoto
Real life social clubs elect officers. They're a group of friends that hang out. But some work needs to get done, and some people take the combination of the responsibility and the honor of being recognized by their peers.
I'm so hoping @Makoto wins so we can task him with his janitorial duties ;)
SO is just little more work and a little less friends for most people.
certainly true.
20:36
"Here are your bucket and mop of office"
ask a question about what the best way to add 2 numbers together is and 1 million developers will give you 1 million responses and then argue that their way is the right way....maybe we should go back to the root of the issue and reprogram programming
A wild @JeremyBanks arrives \o and gone already ... :(
 
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21:45
Hi all! o/
hey, Baum
Zoe
Zoe
hey, Baum
hey the greenest one
Zoe
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Not for long :p
21:56
haha cross room joke
Zoe
Zoe
I'm serious too :>
22:30
I dont remember who was talking about it earlier but heres a prime example of why votes literally mean nothing
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Q: How to insert data using wpdb

NidaI have wriiten as following $name="Kumkum"; $email="[email protected]"; $phone="3456734567"; $country="India"; $course="Database"; $message="hello i want to read db"; $now = new DateTime(); $datesent=$now->format('Y-m-d H:i:s'); global $wpdb; $sql = $wpdb->prepare( "INSERT INTO `wp_submitte...

Today that question would be deleted but apparently 6 years ago it was acceptable
also had 110k views lol
"Best library for..." and "code golf" questions were also explicitly allowed back in the day. For a while, "Are vim questions allowed here?" was contentious too, until programming-tool-and-editor questions were explicitly declared as on-topic. These things evolve.
@JosephWilliamson Yeah, that should be edited and improved.
Requires domain knowledge though.
im too nit picky to be on SO honestly lol
Zoe
Zoe
@JosephWilliamson rules change a lot. that's life
22:48
Hello
23:36
Wow so close
20 hours left! Hoping for @Zoe and @Jean-FrançoisFabre
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