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9:58 AM
Good morning
 
 
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11:47 AM
Good Morning :)
 
Hi Maverik!
 
Hey :) I have a question just for you :D I need to dig out the code bit that does EF Core SQL logging and I remember you sharing it a few times but SO Chat search is failing me.. do you by any chance have it to hand?
(otherwise np I'll dig out from google)
 
Yup, one sec...
db.Database.Log = s => System.Diagnostics.Debug.WriteLine(s);
 
thank you :)
db is the Context right?
 
You're welcome
Yup
 
11:52 AM
going away from desk again :D
afk
 
amk -- at my keyboard!
 
Good morning Alex
Wait, it's afternoon now. Good afternoon
 
Hi Xaml
How are you?
 
Hey, I am good thanks :-) How are you today?
 
Doing all right. More MVC app dev here
Chipping away at this huge app
 
12:04 PM
Nice, are you still on .NET one or is it .Net Core?
 
Unfortunately, still Framework
 
Ah, is it MVC 5 or 4?
 
5
 
That's not too bad. You still have all of the Razor stuff for you. controllers might be a bit of a pain and async is not liked by MVC
 
Yeah, some good things. But can't wait to try Core MVC
 
12:09 PM
Only difference that I can notice when working with .Net Core is the CLI and how I can restore all of the NuGet packages using it! Apart from that I didn't notice much.
 
Though I'm also tempted with a pure Web API/ng, Vue app
 
Have you tried Angular?
You get to play with ts :-)
 
Tried it a while back, realized you can't easily incorporate it into a large, existing app. You have to use it from the start
Yeah, ts is very cool
 
Yup, it is a bit of a pain to incorporate it into existing app, but it is so much fun to work with templates like in WPF but in browser :-)
 
We're using Babel/gulp to use the latest Ecmascript version but transpile it down to what the browsers can handle
 
12:13 PM
That's always the bottom line, do you expose it to the world and all sorts of browsers? Like IE 6 LOL
 
Templates and doing the views client side are what I'm looking forward to
Nah, we've set it to 2 versions back
 
Making the website work in IE is a pain! I remember trying edge with bootstrap 3.3.7, it was a disaster! LOL so I told everyone that the website is not internet explorer compatible ha ha
 
We have to make it work in IE/FF/Chrome/Safari
IE is the pain
 
if(browser.Name.Contains("explorer")){
view = view.PrintViewOnly;
console.log("enjoy");
}
 
Hah!
 
12:32 PM
BTW, what issues did you run into w/ IE?
 
12:52 PM
That was modal dialogs, I had more than one and it had to be displayed on top of existing one
It was a confirmation when deleting an image, Image was a modal (cause there was a lot of them so I created a method to get those async) and then when user wanted to delete that image while previewing it.
 
We had challenges along those lines too. Plus, one JS built-in function was not supported on IE.
 
1:16 PM
That's exactly what I was struggling with, I have managed to find a code snippet to overcome that issues though. however, it felt so dirty I immediately commented it out, and decided to make it IE incompatible.
 
Good for you
I hate to skip a browser, but you have to sometimes
 
It was just too much, if any of the conditions would fail (and given IE there is a high chance of that happening) then the page would be unusable. I did a redirect when I detected IE and gave people option to use something else. Having said that, Chrome does CORS out of the box even when working locally, so they are not all that good.
 
1:34 PM
We added global Web API logging for JS exceptions. Huge pain to get it working but we can see when a user's JS blows up in the browser. This has helped
 
Oh wow, I am intrigued how you managed to pull that of! I can think of so many cases when users said "sometimes it doesn't work" LOL
Do you think you will have a chance to move this big MVC app into .Net Core world?
 
With this tight deadline, not really
 
What about it in general? Like some time in the future we NEED to do this?
 
Yeah, but the universe be willing, I hope to be gone from here by then :)
window.onerror = function (errorMsg, url, lineNo, columnNo, error) {
	// Call your AJAX code to write to db...

	return true;
};
^ we put this in a JS file in _layout.cshtml
Want to finish this proj. Don't want to leave them b/c it's critical
Feel dirty putting js here!
 
Thanks for the code :-)
We can move to MVC room if you prefer? And how long have you been thinking of leaving?
 
1:43 PM
I might get banned from room :)
A few years. And I've worked here for a few years
Great managers though
 
It is never easy to move once you're comfortable with people around you
 
Exactly
 
But you have to think about yourself. That's why you are working :-)
 
Hard to move out of your un - comfortable zone
 
It's called that for a reason LOL
 
1:46 PM
Yes. It's okay. But we have to move on sometimes
 
How many devs are there?
 
Really skilled ones? A handful
 
So you won't leave them on ice, that's good :-) makes the search a lot easier I think
 
It would be unfair to leave now.
Remember years ago, was implementing a CMS. Left in middle.
At the new job, was put in charge of same thing -- on SharePoint!
Karma caught up w/ me
 
Ouch, I had pleasure/not working with SharePoint. Is there going to be a time when you can actually leave? i.e. no big projects?
 
1:56 PM
Maybe next summer
All you have heard about SP.... is true
"Be afraid, be very afraid"
 
ha ha ha, I remember being very confused when creating reports for internal use!
 
 
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3:55 PM
@XAMlMAX What country are you in?
 
Hey Lynn, I'm in UK, very close to Bolton. What about you?
 
For some reason, I had it in my mind that you were US-Based
I'm in Pennsylvania, USA
Pulls up map, looks for Bolton
 
Me and Rudi are in UK, and I think Rudi is not far from me? :thinking_face:
 
I forget -- do you know anybody else from in here IRL?
 
Just checked the map for Pennsylvania LOL
 
3:59 PM
90 minutes to Philadelphia, 3 hours to NYC, 2.5 hours to DC
 
ah nope, never met anyone from here.
 
pretty centrally located
You should get together with Rudi and Mav
 
That lake looks really nice
 
@mav how close are you to bolton?
 
I didn't know Mav was in UK?!
 
4:00 PM
Which lake?
He works for/with Rudi
 
Lake Erie
 
Ahh... one of the great lakes. Yep, that's all of the way on the other side of the state. About 5.5-6 hour drive.
 
Ah, I ma curious to know if Rudi got a new car :-)
That's a long drive!
 
I've never been up there :)
If I had to guess, I'd think you are within an hour of Mav and Rudi
 
When I get home I'll check the google images on that lake :-)
Ah, that's really close!
 
4:04 PM
very
I've been told that when you are on those lakes, you cannot see land in any direction.. they are THAT large.
 
Sorry, would love to chat but I need to get on with work now.
Wow, sailing heaven!!!
 
There are 5 great lakes: ontario, erie, superior, michigan, and....
(looks it up)
oh, huron
looking at bolton... is that.. the house from the end of national treasure?
 
Definitely not LOL
 
4:22 PM
HOMES Lynn :)
 
4:40 PM
@LynnCrumbling Me too
 
@BradleyDotNET Indeed :)
@Alex you thought that, too, eh? :)
 
Yup
Sneaky Xaml!
 
5:06 PM
V. 2 uses the Chromium engine
 
Yeah, I wondered if someone posted
You did :)
Love it
 
It's scary how many applications still use the old IE11-based hosted webbrowser control because there was never a newer one.
 
We have a team that does nothing but WPF but they need to do some web as well. This might be good for them
 
Indeed :)
 
5:50 PM
@LynnCrumbling Bolton's only about 1/2 hour outside of Manchester, which is where Mav and Rudi are, I think. 'S where Rudi's company is based, anyhow.
 
posted on August 30, 2019 by Brett Lopez

The August 2019 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 on Windows 10 version 1903 was released. Quality and Reliability This release contains the following quality and reliability improvements. Addresses a crash that occurs after enumerating event logs. Addresses a regression caused by the fix for the issue involving bindings with DataContext explicitly on the binding path. The p

 
 
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7:41 PM
posted on September 04, 2019 by Rich Lander [MSFT]

Today, we’re announcing .NET Core 3.0 Preview 9. Just like with Preview 8, we’ve focused on polishing .NET Core 3.0 for a final release and aren’t adding new features. If these final builds seem less exciting than earlier previews, that’s by design. The post Announcing .NET Core 3.0 Preview 9 appeared first on .NET Blog.

 
7:55 PM
Wow... ".NET Core 3.0 is launching at .NET Conf
Tune in for .NET Conf, September 23-25th. We will launch .NET Core 3.0 during .NET Conf. Yes, that means that Preview 9 is the last preview, and .NET Core 3.0 will be released in its final version later this month."
 
8:19 PM
how i feel about EF ^^ lol
good comments on the reddit thread as well: reddit.com/r/programming/comments/czdoc5/orms_are_backwards
 
 
3 hours later…
11:31 PM
ORMs are only backwards if you need "the hard stuff"
99% of DB work is rote CRUD
but that's just imo
And if I had a lot of "hard stuff" and couldn't get it out of SQL and into my C#, still would use a micro-ORM so I'm not hand copying DataTables (puke) into classes
I'll give him the issue with multiple backend languages. That sounds like it would suck
It also sounds like it would suck for non-SQL reasons
If you have that kind of code, it should be a microservice-style architecture with a well defined RPC layer
and only one language hitting the DB
 

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