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18:00
@deep you talking about with Iframes? or JS just replacing content of a given DOM element
@rlemon It's possible to fix it SEO wise, that's a mis-conception
@BenjaminGruenbaum eh, I remember when it was all the rage and the arguments against it cropped up, after that point I just never did it for anything but like thumbnail galleries.
so, yea, if there are fixes I wouldn't know :P
it's a practice I avoid.
Yeah I guess the challenge of digital currency is having it not rely on a database, yet still be secure.
I was thinking basic if's and innerHTML @TheSnooker var div =document.getElementByid("div") div.innerHTML=("<h1>content</h1>")
@Shmiddty hence the 'challenge'
I thought about it for a few months on and off, never could think of anything
50K is a nice chunk of change :P
18:01
@rlemon Well, the fix is simple, you use something like Selenium or PhantomJS and create static files, then serve those to bots instead of the actual files on the site. It sounds complicated but it really isn't
I feel like it's an impossible problem.
that happens onclick
@BenjaminGruenbaum ahh yea I did something like that for a SPA demo
Whats the problem with Dynamic Content and SEO? It still needs to be rendered when a search engine crawls it right?..
I don't see a way to prevent exploitation
18:02
all pages were actual landing pages with full documents -> then using .load() I stitched them all together (and fixed the links)
@TheSnooker No, search engines don't use actual browsers, you need to generate it for them with crawling
so robots saw static pages, landing on static pages worked, and content loaded around the landing page.
@deep I don't think thats bad practice.. it's basically what AJAX does minus the actual posting. So long as you do like Benjamin says and handle crawlers.
how exactly do you handle a crawler when dynamic content is concerned?
@Shmiddty yea, but then again I always thought BTC was an impossible venture and it proved to not be (albeit poorly managed)
I like BitCoin :)
18:04
How can this be..really though.. things like twitter and facebook etc.. all have dynamic content..
@rlemon but bitcoins are stored in a theoretically secure database, correct?
I like the concept, I don't like how it was done
@Shmiddty ohh god, that always confused me. I think they are stored (once mined) in a secure db. the mining for the prime is something that alluded me from the get go
I read 'what it does and how' but it still made little sense
I liked the concept of In Time, I don't like how it was done.
^
In Time was a fucking horrible movie
Justin TImerlake
18:06
it could have been awesome
yes
because the concept is very interesting and topical
@Shmiddty BitCoins are stored everywhere
@Shmiddty Every single transaction is stored on every single user
@Shmiddty just like "Prometheus"
god what a horrible execution of a movie.
Prometheus was at least an order of magnitude better
18:07
or "Another Earth" <- wicked awesome concept.... poor execution
The finale to BSG was also a huge letdown
they need to make more movies like "Sphere"
I liked sphere
thats what I wanted :D
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18:08
I always feel more "boss" with two machines at my desk for the day...
had they just ended the movie 20 minutes sooner I probably wouldn't have hated it so much
@Shmiddty it looked like they had pressure to wrap it up
@rlemon Was that the one with the under-water thingy and the big liquid-metalic sphere thing that messed with everyone's head?
and as a result, came up with nonsense
@Shmiddty yes
18:09
I'm pretty pissed that they cancelled stargate universe, I really liked it. Very slow burner, but audiences have proved that they like that
ohh god what was that movie with the aliens and the guys with the powers and 'dudders??' and the library in the one guys mind
@TomW I didn't like it - I expected more stargate and less (that movie where they are on a long term space mission to the edge of the solar system and there was a compartment with some alien? in it and the black guy who commanded the places wife was on mission control)
whats a crawler
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Hmm...
@TomW I loved that show
and Defying Gravity was also awesome and cancelled before its time
Dreamcatcher is a 2003 film adaptation of Stephen King's novel of the same name. It was directed by Lawrence Kasdan, and co-written by Kasdan and screenwriter William Goldman. The film stars Morgan Freeman as Colonel Abraham Curtis, a shoot-first alien hunter, Thomas Jane as Henry Devlin, Donnie Wahlberg as Douglas "Duddits" Cavell, Jason Lee as Joe "Beaver" Clarendon, Timothy Olyphant as Pete Moore, Tom Sizemore as Owen Underhill, and Damian Lewis as Gary "Jonesy" Jones. It was filmed around Prince George, British Columbia. Plot Henry (Thomas Jane), Beaver (Jason Lee), Pete (Timothy ...
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18:13
Anyone ever think about how anyone with access to users on a given site, like SO, has the password to most other things of the users aswell?
@Shmiddty thats the one
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A lot of people use the same passwords for the majority of things...
I didn't like it - or SGU - but they were kinda a-like (not at all but kinda)
Of all the "fuck you" moments Prometheus had in store for its audience, my favorite was when Charlize Theron dramatically called Weylan "father"... as if we hadn't inferred that from the previous 10 minutes of awful dialogue. Spoon-fed crap nomnom. So much hate...
Dreamcatcher started out like "OMG OMG OMG THIS MOVIE IS AWESOME" then quickly turned into "..... is it over yet? What is on at nine? if I leave the theater now I can catch the news!"
@Jhawinsss if so stores our actual passwords I'll shit myself.
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Q: Best way to store password in database

Crash893I am working on a project that has to have authentication (user name/pass) It also connects to a database so i figured i would store the user name and password there but it seems like not such a good idea to have passwords as just a text field in a table sitting on the db I'm using C# and conn...

18:16
I'll bet they use MD5... which is just as good as plaintext at this point.
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Yeah.
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^ My thoughts exactly.
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Bananas
@Jhawinsss was this really necessary?
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18:19
@ShotgunNinja I was just replying to @rlemon with the other post... Wasn't sure what the best way to do it was.
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@ShotgunNinja ;)
@Jhawinsss nice.
I bet they don't use md5
think about it...
Jeff is not a stupid person
Use a cryptographically secure hash. I think Thomas hates MD5 so very much it makes him seem a little crazier than he actually is. But he's right. MD5 is vulnerable. Why pick anything remotely vulnerable, when you don't have to? SHA-2 or Bcrypt would be a better choice.
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Also true... But aside from SO. Other sites that are popular. Even somewhere like 4chan. A lot of people are too stupid to realize they shouldn't use the same password for literally everything.
if he knows it's vulnerable and has options, I trust he used them
I openID everything
if I can't openID to my Twitter / Google I don't signup generally.
sites with my CC info get a unique password for that site only
18:22
I use quite a small range of passwords - guilty. I do that because I know that if I pick unique ones, I won't remember them
Twitter and Google have separate passwords as well
passphrase + uuid
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I have a junk email, I use a junk username that's consistent and I use the same junk password for everything useless or sketchy that I don't want to link back to me.
I am slowly working towards passphrases over words.. but a lot of systems are still retarded in the sense that they provide you with a template for hackers.
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I have about 8 passwords that I use for different things... But my servers and work accounts are unique always.
18:23
"your password must be between six and eleven characters and contain upper and lower case letters and at least one number" <- why not draw the brute force hacker a fucking map!
I use keepass and generate random 24+ character passwords
@eazimmerman pass phrases man
just use pass phrases
i do that too
i have a password that is letters+numbers then 4 simple words
@rlemon I'm ashamed to admit that I once implemented the same such restrictions. C'est la vie...
18:24
@rlemon i bet they log those queries
@canon unrestricted passwords are a must imo
if you are stupid enough to make your password 123 or abc or xxx then you can suffer your own fate.
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Lets all compare our SO pass or openID passwords on the site.
is it stupid to send the salt to the client and hash the password on the client?
gardengnomefraughtfrenchbakery?
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18:26
otherwise you are sending the password through the packet
also, having just 'fixed' my moms internet - if you know anyone who hasn't the forethought to do this, or you haven't yet yourself: change your routers default username and password ffs!
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Well shit, my facebook password says it would take under a minute? BS.
I did the same for my mom like two months ago
every single 'free wifi' access I get on I try to get onto their router.
~30% of the time I can
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@rlemon Of course lmao. I do it for my friends randomly.
this is really bugging me im using (Chrome 29 on Windows 8
32 bit compatibility layer) and when i have devTools open i get a round gray cursor, and it is really annoying, any idea anyone?
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@rlemon Same here.
@rlemon can't do that either. The defaults are printed on the back, and if I change them nobody in the house will remember them, and I'll get shouted at
or they'll just press the reset button
@TomW at least change the default username and pencil it in
18:28
that's my longest password that i know by heart
haha
my passwords suck :P
both are < 24 hours
(twitter/gmail)
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This is one of my server passwords...
@rlemon is your password : nomelr ?
eibbor nomel
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18:29
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Another one...
where is the site?
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And my desktop here at work... 25 Thousand.
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that thing is harvesting passwords like no other...
18:30
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@canon Haha hell yeah.
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@rlemon Wow...
2 googol years
also, @BenjaminGruenbaum how the fuck does this not get complained to their provider.
lol
did google make that one up?
18:31
@rlemon what?
1 googol = 1.0 × 10^100
complained?
4 mins ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
http://www.ismytwitterpasswordsecure.com/
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@rlemon Because if you're stupid enough to do it you deserve it. Sort of like natural selection. . . on Twitter.
Why would it be complained?
18:31
yea, my unglish sucky today
235 tredecillion years
it goes to infinity
@BenjaminGruenbaum because its not moral?? idk. Scam sites shouldn't exist if you ask me.
scams are only ever scams.
let me drop some unicode characters in there
it's not like calling porn "art"
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18:32
Let me try my webshell password..... This will be a good one.
@rlemon It's not a scam site?
guys....
@rlemon Ah, try to enter a password
"enter your twitter username and password and we'll check to see if it is secure for you"
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A tredecillion years
18:33
arduino or raspberry?
@rlemon Try to enter a user/pass
ahh
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@wirey Haha
wow I feel dumb
@rlemon whoever puts their password in that site deserves to be hacked
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@rlemon Me too.
looks like it's time to change my password :P
oh, now i get it
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Oh I forgot the '$' on the end. My password says "109 quattuordecillion years"
18:34
@Connor so your grandmother who was called by "windows support" and shelled out a few hundred bucks deserves it?
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Q: What is the pronunciation of $ / $. in jquery

thomasWhen you are reading jQuery code aloud and you get to anything that uses $, do you pronounce that as "dollar sign", "jQuery", "jQuery selector". Is there some other pronunciational shorthand for the $. syntax (as in $.each)? Or is it just as simple as saying "dollar sign dot ... "?. I ask because...

howsecureismypassword.net has no network activity going when you type.
don't be a tool. you know better, but don't expect your average end user to know better.
@Feeds lolwtf?
they didn't like my password :(
18:35
@Feeds cross-post to elau, imo!
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That question up there is about to give that kid mega-rep.
@rlemon i was talking about ismytwitterpasswordsecure.com then after i said that i put some random stuff in and seen the big red screen
@xmltechgeek Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
@Jhawinsss answered, waiting for the rep flow
18:36
do you read "var x equals sign four"? or "var x equals four"? because it is an alias I would take favour of 'jQuery' over 'dollar'. — rlemon 27 secs ago
@Connor the sentiment is the same: think non-power users
@rlemon my grandmother... shouldn't be on twitter lol
why not?
oldwhitemansays had over 600K followers
@rlemon because she should be on facebook playing farmville
and clicking on the facebook scam ads?
The only thing I can say is that underscore.js solved this problem creatively. Overall I don't see why it matters, not having a uniform way to call it won't make you any more or less productive alone or in a team. — Benjamin Gruenbaum 5 secs ago
18:38
you can't win
the internet is about scamming your grandmother, no scammers should be accepted
what is the plan of action then....
@BenjaminGruenbaum yea, I think it's a pretty stupid question.
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@FlorianMargaine Exactly...
do I call it "oh oh pee" or "oop"
Yo dawg that's money. — Shmiddty 13 secs ago
18:40
@rlemon sequel or ess-cue-ell?
one more try
Arduino or Raspberry?
@KendallFrey "see sharp" or "see pound"
^ for simply playing around with it, not sure about a specific use-case yet
See the door.
(I know it is the sharp symbol, however it is often just pound because fuck unicode)
@GNi33 rpi
18:41
C-octothorpe!
@KendallFrey ess-cue-ell
more power in your hands
@FlorianMargaine <expletive> you
only old people use sequel (because they learnt it this way)
@FlorianMargaine I use sequel
18:41
there was a question about this in programmers.se...
Saying ess-cue-ell makes my tongue sore.
@rlemon you're old
I don't know how to handle this comment. "I upvoted you for using humour. oh yeah, you were also right and stuff"
wait, i can't install an OS on the Arduino?
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I say ess-cue-ell
18:42
my year and a half experience made all the difference.
@KendallFrey you have a weak tongue
I pity your girlfriend.
Blowup dolls don't care.
Upvoted for good advice. It also just made me chuckle. — rlemon 5 secs ago
I don't spend much time here. But programmers.stackexchange is much more gangster than stackoverflow. I never realized.. — thomas 58 secs ago
Hahahaha
18:43
@rlemon seems like the rpi is the better choice, thanks
$("#datAss").smack()Shmiddty 10 secs ago
@rlemon You didn't even read it!
@FlorianMargaine $(".florian").pity(null)
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@Zirak I enjoyed reading your answer haha.
because single
18:44
@KendallFrey ...does that mean there's no girlfriend?
@Zirak in fact I did a while ago and upvoted it then
@FlorianMargaine :/
oh. then the upvotes came from elsewhere. I always feel crappy sharing answers here...
@Zirak you had an upvote from me too. It was a nice answer, as always.
I made comment -> went up to upvote -> already upvoted.. ohh well. comment is not a lie .
18:45
$("#datAss").smack('fast', function (event) {
   var run = event.action == 'scream' ? true : false;
});
I often appreciate your prose.
@BenjaminGruenbaum ^^
@Connor This website is perfect.
@Zirak You need to move out of the Northwest Territories, maybe then people will ship to you
@ShotgunNinja what site?
18:45
var run = event.action === 'scream'; // FTFY
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@Gacnt What...?
Who's going crazy with the stars today lol
"It's easier to optimize correct code than correct optimized code" - Bill Harlan
@rlemon Thank you.
condition ? true : false; // do you even know what a ternary does?
18:46
It's pronounced "bling". :P — FrustratedWithFormsDesigner 59 secs ago
^ I'm a fan
@rlemon well it would do different to what yours does
i think
condition returns true or false
@rlemon The sad part is, that can actually do something in JS.
@FlorianMargaine heh, thanks
18:46
@rlemon yes
I could see myself saying "Bling dot ajax"
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@Zirak You could always have it shipped to someone else you trust...
@rlemon right
3 hours ago, by Zirak
But I might have a friend who's going abroad next month, and I definitely have relatives come in around August...so it's a maybe.
so whats your point
18:47
you're doing extra work... for no reason.
@Zirak I read as far as that one line then closed the tab :P, if it's not highlighted in the past it eludes me :P
var run = event.action == 'scream' ? true : false;

if event.action = scream then run is true else its false
and good stuff
But would you get them to get you a S76 or Mac
@Connor ( action === 'scream' ) return true or false
you are saying
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18:48
@Zirak Ah ah. Exactly. Where do you live?
if( (action === 'scream') === true ) {
  return true;
} else {
  return false;
}
@rlemon ok so if event.action == 'scream' what would run be ?
see the redundancy?
are we being trolled? I swear we're getting trolled.
@Jhawinsss Antarctica
18:49
$.each.prototype.toString = function(){return "I'm making it rain up in this bitch!";} Seems legit.
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@Zirak Uhh.... Well then.
@rlemon rofl
@rlemon Arg too much redundant code, must... turn... away...
I like it
Not redundant... verbose
:-P
the prototype seems redundant though
18:49
@rlemon You can't use === on strings, use .equals
like, how do I explain to Connor the condition returns the true/false
@BenjaminGruenbaum ...
srsly?
@BenjaminGruenbaum not enough jQuery for you?
@rlemon so run would be true or false
@rlemon not nearly enough
18:50
@RyanKinal trolling
I need foods
bbl <3 xoxox
@Connor yes. your ternary was redundant
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@Zirak Might I ask why?
18:51
I like the warm climate.
@rlemon i still don't get why
a condition returns true or false, you were checking if the condition returned true and returning true in the ternary. you could have just returned the result of the condition
return 1 === 1 ? true : false
is the same as
return 1 === 1
@Connor open your console, type this: 1 === 1
get it?
return a<b?true:false ==> return a<b herpes derpes
18:52
now try this in your console: var s = 1 === 1; console.log(s);
@RyanKinal sesly
and then try this: var s = 1 === 2; console.log(s);
ok freals lunch bye
String.prototype.equals = function(str2){
   return this.split("").every(function(x,i){console.log(x,str2[i]); return x === str2[i]});
}
18:53
@rlemon return !0; is shorter yet
!!>1===1
@eazimmerman true
so you only use ? & : if you want something other than true or false, right?
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!!/eval jQuery
18:53
@Jhawinsss "ReferenceError: jQuery is not defined"
(Wonders when people will find the mistake in that code :P)
@ShotgunNinja "ReferenceError: $ is not defined"
( foo ? /*foo is true*/ : /*foo is false*/ )
18:54
!!/define jQuery "The devil."
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@ShotgunNinja That's for coffescript.
@canon Command definr does not exist. Did you mean: define
@canon No definition found
!!>var foo=true;var bar = (foo?'apple':'banana');bar;
@eazimmerman "apple"
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@BenjaminGruenbaum ;
18:55
am i right, say you know something that i don't know that means im TROLLING yeah.....
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:9807646
String.prototype.equals = function(str2){
return this.split("").every(function(x,i){console.log(x,str2[i]); return x === str2[i];});
};
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God dammit
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@BenjaminGruenbaum Well yeah. I didn't see any other mistakes though...
18:57
@Jhawinsss try "a".equals("ab")
Am i the only one who doesn't know how "this" works?
@rlemon can i just say, how is it possible for me to be trolling when you were the one that recommended something?
@Jhawinsss length
@deep there are varying levels of not knowing how this works.
18:58
!!> "a".equals("ab")
@eazimmerman "TypeError: \"a\".equals is not a function"
Am i the pnly one who hasno clue whatsoever?
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@deep Haha. I had trouble with that...
prefixof would be a better name!
*had?
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18:59
@deep Had...
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!!/eval "a".equals("ab")
@Jhawinsss "TypeError: \"a\".equals is not a function"
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No library.... Forgot.
@Jhawinsss so you gwet it now?

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